Alba the Albino

[Kayla90]

At the Montreal Expo I found the cutest little albino which I plan to breed once she's of age. I was trying to think of a name and for some reason the only one that would come to mind was Alba, so I named her Alba :P

The pictures I have aren't exactly the best, I'll have to wait for steph to get home so he can help me adjust the camera... And by all means it's currently WAAAY to cold outside for some natural lighting shots.. so for now these will have to do :D

I've had her exactly a week, she has yet to eat but I will be trying later tonight, cross your fingers everyone..

[infernalis]

Very nice... Congrats.

[youngster]

Good luck on the feeding. She's a nice high contrast girl.

[alessia55]

Congrats! She's cute! :)

[marvelfreak]

Congrats she beautiful.

[Kcsearle]

Very pretty

[stephanbakir]

You named her alba :(

[GarterPython]

How much is an albino like that cost.

[Gungirl]

You named her alba :(

Hahahaha I agree... but at least the snake looks good.

[Snakefood]

beautiful girl!!

[stephanbakir]

Kayla payed 500$ I think.

[alessia55]

Kayla payed 500$ I think.

:eek: My albino didn't cost that much!

[Snakefood]

is she a 2010 or 2011 model????

[Gungirl]

Kayla payed 500$ I think.


That sounds really high.... I can get a clean one for about $250...maybe im just that lucky IDK...

[alessia55]

That sounds really high.... I can get a clean one for about $250...maybe im just that lucky IDK...

Yup, I paid $250 for Pika. But Canadian prices can be really different

[millertime89]

looks great, price does seem a bit high though.

[youngster]

Woops, I eat my words. They're very close

[stephanbakir]

She is also a she though, females are more expensive. 300males 500 females is average here.

[KrazyKat]

looks great, price does seem a bit high though.

It is a bit high, even for Canadian pricing, I believe. You can get a female bumblebee for that same price from my favorite breeder in Toronto, very reputable guys: Bumble Bee | The Urban Python (http://www.theurbanpython.com/sale/bumble-bee-3)

Not sure on their pricing for albinos, but I imagine it would be considerably less if their bumblebees are only $500 each, male OR female.

Beautiful girl though Kayla, keep the pics coming :)

[CK SandBoas]

Congrats! She's a little beauty! :)

[Kayla90]

You named her alba :(

I can't think of another name... help me come up with something else that suits her...

[blindfireak40]

Colby?

Like the cheese, cheese can come in ball form :) :yes:

[ladyjustice33]

Love her!!! Albino is on my list!! Right under piebald!!! Congrats on the sweet pick-up!!

[stephanbakir]

We are getting a bumblebee and a spider on the 8th :)

[blindfireak40]

We are getting a bumblebee and a spider on the 8th :)

My birthday!! It must be a sign...I think it means you should ship me a baby Retic when you start breeding :yes:

[stephanbakir]

My birthday!! It must be a sign...I think it means you should ship me a baby Retic when you start breeding :yes:
I'm actually moving to the states in the spring!

[blindfireak40]

Hahaha it may be in the cards...I'll see what my living situation is shaping up to be. :D

[aj099]

awww i missed the expo! i wanted to go so bad i have never been to one and montreal doesn`t have them often i had to go pick up a carpet python so i missed it :(
was it awsome?

[stephanbakir]

It was halfdecent. really small.

[GarterPython]

K thank you alot

[Aaron_S]

It is a bit high, even for Canadian pricing, I believe. You can get a female bumblebee for that same price from my favorite breeder in Toronto, very reputable guys: Bumble Bee | The Urban Python (http://www.theurbanpython.com/sale/bumble-bee-3)

Not sure on their pricing for albinos, but I imagine it would be considerably less if their bumblebees are only $500 each, male OR female.

Beautiful girl though Kayla, keep the pics coming :)

Not necessarily true. An albino is recessive and a bumblebee is a co-dom/dom animal. They work differently and recessives tend to hold their prices longer so yes $500 is pretty average for a female albino.

Also, reputable, not anymore...

[millertime89]

Also, reputable, not anymore...

what happened?

[KrazyKat]

Not necessarily true. An albino is recessive and a bumblebee is a co-dom/dom animal. They work differently and recessives tend to hold their prices longer so yes $500 is pretty average for a female albino.

Also, reputable, not anymore...

Yes, my mistake, I asked around about that and was told just what you said. I shouldn't have assumed that the albino BP morph was comparable to the market value of albino boas - I'm not a python girl, so I have no idea.

But not reputable anymore? I strongly disagree, as would many others. I hope you can provide something factual to back up that statement...

[KrazyKat]

Also, reputable, not anymore...



... not reputable anymore? I strongly disagree, as would many others. I hope you can provide something factual to back up that statement...

I take it by your lack of response that you can provide no supportive "evidence" to your defamatory statement. I'm actually studying internet law, social media and defamation right now at my firm, and I am not in any way trying to be rude, or argue, but defamation is very serious, especially when it can impact someone's livelihood by tarnishing their good name. Urban Reptile has a very good name, I can vouch for them myself after 4 (soon to be 5) beautiful boas from them, all in perfect health, all exactly what they were marked as (morphs and sexes), perfect sheds, no mites, not a scratch/kink, never missed a meal, etc. And I definitely asked around about them and did my research before my first purchase. Since then, I have only heard good things about them, and after many conversation with the owner and staff, my high opinion & respect for Urban Reptile has only grown.

Yes, I am defending them - but I welcome you, or anyone else to give me a reason not to. Factual statements are not defamatory.

[millertime89]

kat, he hasn't been on since an hour after he posted.
He said in another thread he's not nearly as active as he used to be on the forum.

[KrazyKat]

kat, he hasn't been on since an hour after he posted.
He said in another thread he's not nearly as active as he used to be on the forum.

Thank you for telling me that - then I guess we will wait and see what he says when he comes back. Again, not looking to "start something" just standing up for a breeder I trust and I don't want to see a good name trashed without good reason.

I can't deny the possibility that someone had a bad experience with them, of course, that would be ignorant. So, I will patiently await an answer.

[alessia55]

Thank you for telling me that - then I guess we will wait and see what he says when he comes back. Again, not looking to "start something" just standing up for a breeder I trust and I don't want to see a good name trashed without good reason.

I can't deny the possibility that someone had a bad experience with them, of course, that would be ignorant. So, I will patiently await an answer.

"Patience, young grasshopper" ;) :p

[KrazyKat]

"Patience, young grasshopper" ;) :p

LOL :laugh: ahh you literally made me laugh out loud :p I needed that, thanks ;)

[mattchibi]

I take it by your lack of response that you can provide no supportive "evidence" to your defamatory statement. I'm actually studying internet law, social media and defamation right now at my firm, and I am not in any way trying to be rude, or argue, but defamation is very serious, especially when it can impact someone's livelihood by tarnishing their good name. Urban Reptile has a very good name, I can vouch for them myself after 4 (soon to be 5) beautiful boas from them, all in perfect health, all exactly what they were marked as (morphs and sexes), perfect sheds, no mites, not a scratch/kink, never missed a meal, etc. And I definitely asked around about them and did my research before my first purchase. Since then, I have only heard good things about them, and after many conversation with the owner and staff, my high opinion & respect for Urban Reptile has only grown.

Yes, I am defending them - but I welcome you, or anyone else to give me a reason not to. Factual statements are not defamatory.

I too would like to know what that comment was directed at, as I was almost considering buying from them. Decided to go with Shane at Legend Boas though because he had the Lesser girl I wanted.

[KrazyKat]

I too would like to know what that comment was directed at, as I was almost considering buying from them. Decided to go with Shane at Legend Boas though because he had the Lesser girl I wanted.

Shane's awesome, I've bought 2 boas from him so far - real nice guy to deal with, and I love how willing he is to provide very in-depth and knowledgeable answers to questions on genetics, opinions, etc. - what I mean is he'll give you the "time of day" instead of just brushing you off once the sale is over. Actually, the very first boa I ever bought was from him, a Lipstick Sunglow (poss super) and he's doing great, only looking better with age. The second one I'll be picking up at the Ajax show this Sunday, actually - so excited! :)

[Kayla90]

When we were at the Expo in Montreal I took a very close look at what they had, sadly they didn't have anything I wanted at the time that I could afford, but I must agree with Kat. I've seen all her Boa's, as well as the animals they bring to Expo's and I have to say that they have some very nice looking animals.. When the time comes they are definitely going to be some of the first people I look to buy some of my future purchases from..

[mattchibi]

Shane's awesome, I've bought 2 boas from him so far - real nice guy to deal with, and I love how willing he is to provide very in-depth and knowledgeable answers to questions on genetics, opinions, etc. - what I mean is he'll give you the "time of day" instead of just brushing you off once the sale is over. Actually, the very first boa I ever bought was from him, a Lipstick Sunglow (poss super) and he's doing great, only looking better with age. The second one I'll be picking up at the Ajax show this Sunday, actually - so excited! :)

Yea definitely, hes awesome. And all thanks to you. :D Hope you post pics when you get the second one!

[Kayla90]

And more ALBA pictures..
So I went a little picture crazy today...

Dinner Time
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/391955_10150367072436696_515861695_9061647_1988528 582_n.jpg

The next two are the MOST recent ones that I took today
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/419118_10150527444871696_515861695_9642237_2014067 989_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/404422_10150527445001696_515861695_9642238_5904540 52_n.jpg


The next ones are ones we tried to take but obviously failed... but you can still see her so I'm posting them..
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/427675_10150527719776696_515861695_9642890_1343577 032_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/425343_10150527720376696_515861695_9642893_1901584 362_n.jpg

And Alba wearing glasses :P
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407811_10150466558851696_515861695_9449247_2001052 020_n.jpg

The CUTEST nose I ever did see :D
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407737_10150466561611696_515861695_9449251_2701606 6_n.jpg

[alessia55]

I was hoping you'd update Alba soon :yes: She and my baby Pika look so alike! She is soo cute!

I LOVE this photo... Most precious photo of all time:

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/404422_10150527445001696_515861695_9642238_5904540 52_n.jpg

[Kayla90]

Thanks :D .. This was the first shot I took of her today, and it just turned out so much better than I thought it would.

[DragonsEye]

Pretty little girl. ;)

[millertime89]

Two bad Kayla and Alessia live in different countries, Alba and Pika should set up a date sometime, they would produce some amazing albinos.

[Kayla90]

Silly they are both girls.. at least I think Pika is a girl too right??

[millertime89]

just checked her sig, nope, male.

[Kayla90]

Reeheheheally... O.o Then I agree.. they would make some very smexy babies... XD

[alessia55]

oOoOo YES veryyyy sexy sexy babies :yes:

[Kayla90]

An "inquisitive shot"
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/417122_10150545273841696_515861695_9690985_3689580 48_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/418358_10150545274956696_515861695_9690989_4530454 51_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/418284_10150545275381696_515861695_9690991_8421597 6_n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/401419_10150545276266696_515861695_9690994_1595133 017_n.jpg

Hello?
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/405764_10150545276691696_515861695_9690995_6843352 22_n.jpg

First shot.. bad angle of the camera... lots of wrong lighting..
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/420589_10150545277201696_515861695_9690996_1406519 230_n.jpg

[CK SandBoas]

God, i really love Albino Royals! Besides Normals, they are my favorites :)

[Kayla90]

I knooow .. they are so gorgeous..
I'm so sad that I can never do her justice with the pictures I take XD

[millertime89]

I really think alba and pika need to have babies.

[alessia55]

Love this pic :D

"oh hai mamma!!"

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/405764_10150545276691696_515861695_9690995_6843352 22_n.jpg

[alessia55]

I really think alba and pika need to have babies.

I agree :yes:

[Kayla90]

I really think alba and pika need to have babies.

Oddly enough I think that one day they should have babies too... 0.o maybe one day I'll come visit during breeding season :P

[DragonsEye]

Two bad Kayla and Alessia live in different countries, Alba and Pika should set up a date sometime, they would produce some amazing albinos.

I am unfamiliar with border regs, but could one of them be taken across the border for a "romantic weekend"?

[alessia55]

I think when both Pika and Alba are at breeding size we'll definitely talk about it :yes:

[millertime89]

I am unfamiliar with border regs, but could one of them be taken across the border for a "romantic weekend"?

I'm not sure if regius is a CITES II species or not, it wouldn't exactly be difficult though...

[Aaron_S]

First up, snakes crossing borders. There isn't a point. It takes time and a lot of paperwork to just ship a simple albino ball across the lines. Might as well just buy an adult male or baby female for the same price.

I take it by your lack of response that you can provide no supportive "evidence" to your defamatory statement. I'm actually studying internet law, social media and defamation right now at my firm, and I am not in any way trying to be rude, or argue, but defamation is very serious, especially when it can impact someone's livelihood by tarnishing their good name. Urban Reptile has a very good name, I can vouch for them myself after 4 (soon to be 5) beautiful boas from them, all in perfect health, all exactly what they were marked as (morphs and sexes), perfect sheds, no mites, not a scratch/kink, never missed a meal, etc. And I definitely asked around about them and did my research before my first purchase. Since then, I have only heard good things about them, and after many conversation with the owner and staff, my high opinion & respect for Urban Reptile has only grown.

Yes, I am defending them - but I welcome you, or anyone else to give me a reason not to. Factual statements are not defamatory.

First of all, I know what defamation is and I also know you couldn't get me for my opinion on that company. Also it's libel when it's written. NOT defamation or slander.

Second of all, if you did "research" on your oh so favourite breeders you'll see they don't have a reputation anymore. I'll post links.

Toffee not a Banana...Mistaken Identity Opps! - Reptile Forum - Bush-League Breeders Club (http://www.reptileradio.net/reptileradio/showthread.php?t=33245)

To sum it up, what they did was bring in a mutation from the wild and breed it. Sell the hets for thousands of dollars and THEN when someone ended up proving that these 10's of thousand of dollar snakes (the toffee ball) was compatible with the "lowly" albino ball making crosses known as "toffino's" they told them to keep it quiet so the public wouldn't find out. The public did and now they've destroyed their reputation. Somehow you think this is "okay" to consider them reputable.

Lastly, I didn't respond sooner as I didn't check this thread until now.

[alessia55]

First up, snakes crossing borders. There isn't a point. It takes time and a lot of paperwork to just ship a simple albino ball across the lines. Might as well just buy an adult male or baby female for the same price.

Oh it would definitely be a total hassle to do it. They're babies still, so we're just dreaming with the idea for now Aaron. It's just fun to talk about it because our babies are soooo good looking ;)

[Kayla90]

First up, snakes crossing borders. There isn't a point. It takes time and a lot of paperwork to just ship a simple albino ball across the lines. Might as well just buy an adult male or baby female for the same price.

First of all, I know what defamation is and I also know you couldn't get me for my opinion on that company. Also it's libel when it's written. NOT defamation or slander.

Second of all, if you did "research" on your oh so favourite breeders you'll see they don't have a reputation anymore. I'll post links.

Toffee not a Banana...Mistaken Identity Opps! - Reptile Forum - Bush-League Breeders Club (http://www.reptileradio.net/reptileradio/showthread.php?t=33245)

To sum it up, what they did was bring in a mutation from the wild and breed it. Sell the hets for thousands of dollars and THEN when someone ended up proving that these 10's of thousand of dollar snakes (the toffee ball) was compatible with the "lowly" albino ball making crosses known as "toffino's" they told them to keep it quiet so the public wouldn't find out. The public did and now they've destroyed their reputation. Somehow you think this is "okay" to consider them reputable.

Lastly, I didn't respond sooner as I didn't check this thread until now.


Buzz kill XD
We are just having fun with the idea.. Yes society has made it extremely difficult to do anything easily anymore.. We all get that point! Doesn't mean we can't think about it.. and who knows by the time they are breeding age I could be living in the States.. soooooo.

And also... that was posted a really long time ago.. you didn't really have to bring it up.. you could have pm'd Kat herself and brought it all back up again.. All I'm saying is.. this is a thread about Alba.. and while I don't mind random talks I'd really like to keep arguing out of it..
Now on the other hand Kat doesn't really come on SsnakesS.. or even facebook for that matter, anymore.. so again.. you really didn't have to bring it up.. We all have our own personal preferences .. and people make mistakes, that doesn't mean the majority of their stuff isn't still nice.

[alessia55]

I couldn't resist, lol.... I need sleep XD

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/alessia55/pikaalbacopy-1.jpg

[Kayla90]

Bahah that's hilarious.. he's all like pleaaaaaaaaase.. and she's all hiding and about to cover her face with her tail, all shy .. and blushing :P
Oh wait.. those are just her eyes XD lmao

[Aaron_S]

Buzz kill XD
We are just having fun with the idea.. Yes society has made it extremely difficult to do anything easily anymore.. We all get that point! Doesn't mean we can't think about it.. and who knows by the time they are breeding age I could be living in the States.. soooooo.

And also... that was posted a really long time ago.. you didn't really have to bring it up.. you could have pm'd Kat herself and brought it all back up again.. All I'm saying is.. this is a thread about Alba.. and while I don't mind random talks I'd really like to keep arguing out of it..
Now on the other hand Kat doesn't really come on SsnakesS.. or even facebook for that matter, anymore.. so again.. you really didn't have to bring it up.. We all have our own personal preferences .. and people make mistakes, that doesn't mean the majority of their stuff isn't still nice.

Why would I PM someone instead of letting everyone see the facts? That's all I did. I'm not arguing I'm stating facts that I was asked to procure, if she comes here or not. I don't want to be shown as someone who doesn't back up their statements.

[mattchibi]

First up, snakes crossing borders. There isn't a point. It takes time and a lot of paperwork to just ship a simple albino ball across the lines. Might as well just buy an adult male or baby female for the same price.



First of all, I know what defamation is and I also know you couldn't get me for my opinion on that company. Also it's libel when it's written. NOT defamation or slander.

Second of all, if you did "research" on your oh so favourite breeders you'll see they don't have a reputation anymore. I'll post links.

Toffee not a Banana...Mistaken Identity Opps! - Reptile Forum - Bush-League Breeders Club (http://www.reptileradio.net/reptileradio/showthread.php?t=33245)

To sum it up, what they did was bring in a mutation from the wild and breed it. Sell the hets for thousands of dollars and THEN when someone ended up proving that these 10's of thousand of dollar snakes (the toffee ball) was compatible with the "lowly" albino ball making crosses known as "toffino's" they told them to keep it quiet so the public wouldn't find out. The public did and now they've destroyed their reputation. Somehow you think this is "okay" to consider them reputable.

Lastly, I didn't respond sooner as I didn't check this thread until now.

Thanks for the update, I was waiting to hear your response Aaron. Sorry Kayla if we are disrupting your thread. I have a few more questions, if Aaron wouldn't mind PM'ing me the answers..

When did it happen that they sold the hets toffees as het bananas? I met Terry and Greg from Royal Python Ranch and saw their Banana, and apparently only 3 other breeders in Canada have the morph. When I first got into ball pythons, I was told to check out Urban Python, and I remember in Sep 2011 they already had the Het toffee's for sale, at 5,500 for a female and 4,500 for a male.

How much were the Het Banana's going for? And was it ever resolved? (Sorry if this is answered all in your link, I am off to work so thought I'd ask anyways)

Also Kayla, she's a beauty :D And I think your melamine rack looks awesome!!

[Kayla90]

Well as long as it's something that people are still interested in.. I don't mind.
I know you weren't arguing, I just don't want it to lead to arguing, that's all. So as long as this just stays as interest, carry on.

[KORBIN5895]

I personally have enjoyed this thread. It also reinforces my serious dislike for most rp morphs (that's cause I am a little slow or something)

[Aaron_S]

I honestly can't give you the answers on those dates. I never really followed the toffee or banana mutation before that thread so I couldn't give you any more information dude. Sorry.




Thanks for the update, I was waiting to hear your response Aaron. Sorry Kayla if we are disrupting your thread. I have a few more questions, if Aaron wouldn't mind PM'ing me the answers..

When did it happen that they sold the hets toffees as het bananas? I met Terry and Greg from Royal Python Ranch and saw their Banana, and apparently only 3 other breeders in Canada have the morph. When I first got into ball pythons, I was told to check out Urban Python, and I remember in Sep 2011 they already had the Het toffee's for sale, at 5,500 for a female and 4,500 for a male.

How much were the Het Banana's going for? And was it ever resolved? (Sorry if this is answered all in your link, I am off to work so thought I'd ask anyways)

Also Kayla, she's a beauty :D And I think your melamine rack looks awesome!!

[DragonsEye]

First up, snakes crossing borders. There isn't a point. It takes time and a lot of paperwork to just ship a simple albino ball across the lines.

I wasn't thinking shipping, Aaron. I know that driving plants across the border is not a problem & no paper work is needed (not talking huge shipments, just if you were taking a few over in your car). Don't know if the same standards apply to herps. Course the fact that the two live so far apart would be a big issue. (Wasn't considering the fact that Alessia is in FL when I first mentioned it.)

[Aaron_S]

I wasn't thinking shipping, Aaron. I know that driving plants across the border is not a problem & no paper work is needed (not talking huge shipments, just if you were taking a few over in your car). Don't know if the same standards apply to herps. Course the fact that the two live so far apart would be a big issue. (Wasn't considering the fact that Alessia is in FL when I first mentioned it.)

no matter which way you cross you still need paperwork for CITES animals. It would defeat the purpose of having these regulations if you could just drive them across borders.

[Jay]

My experience with Urban Reptiles was unprofessional at the least. Extremely unhappy with the customer service and product.

[millertime89]

I for one appreciate Aaron's response to the topic. Best to stay informed.