Who says snakes can't love!

[pythoncrazy]

I hear all the time that snakes are not capable of love, that they don't feel emotion and their survival instincts outweigh everything else. I think that this is wrong, and that snakes are intelligent creatures. I have a friend in the U.K. who would they that at the very least you can build a relationship of trust and understanding with your snake, if not even love. She has a 15 foot albino burmese python that has slept in her bed with her every night for over two years and he has never ever crossed the line, not one time. If anyone touches her and she makes a sound at all he'll rear up and start hissing at them very violently and bite them if he gets the chance as if he's defending her. If a snake is intelligent enough to be very protective of his owner then obviously he cares for her in some way and in that case a snake is intelligent enough to feel some kind of emotional attachment to a human, why not love? Tell me what you think. I think this is undeniable proof that a snake can love.

[SkYyaMe1623]

Snakes and people can't sleep together without one getting an RI lol

[blindfireak40]

I don't personally feel that a free-roaming giant is a good idea either, but if the snake stays in bed the person is essentially a 98.6-degree radiant heat panel; I'm not sure that it would be that detrimental to the long-term health of the snake. I'm getting mid-to-upper-eighties for healthy temps for burms.

[infernalis]

I think I'm going to just watch where this goes for a while before I comment.

[millertime89]

I doubt its love, however I think the snake is reacting on two factors in an incident such as the one you describe. First off, its territory is being invaded. Its ok with the owner being there as I'm sure it has built up a good deal of trust around her and knows she won't hurt it. Second, the creature doing the invading is completely new to it. A new sight, a new smell, a new experience.
I don't think snakes can love as we define it (I don't think any animal really can), but I think they are capable of trust and are more intelligent than most humans give them credit for.

[infernalis]

I don't think snakes can love as we define it (I don't think any animal really can),


I assume you have never had a pet dog before?

Ours will wag and get so excited when we come home, they are so clutchy that they even guard the bathroom door when it's in use, and my little girl Diamond (The brown and white one) even mimics my gate when I walk.

To test that, I walk fast, she walks fast, I stop she stops, I slow down she slows down.

They sit in the window and stare out waiting for my return.

and they raise hell all night unless they can sleep on the bed with us.

Diamond even gets jealous when I kiss Dorothy, she will try her hardest to interrupt it.

[Lankyrob]

I wont be the one to pussy foot around - that idea is STUPID. The snake needs a PROPER environment to live in, it could easily kill the owner without them even waking up, the only reason it stays where it is is because of the heat.

If this snake either kills the owner or escapes and kills someone else then once again our hobby has something else for legislators to knock us back with to make it more difficult if not illegal to keep exotic creatures.

[Jay]

Is this joke? If not, I don't even know what to say… very irresponsible imo

[stephanbakir]

Snakes and people can't sleep together without one getting an RI lol
How right you are, burmese pythons are INCREDIBLY sensitive to low temperatures, and while they can survive at low humidity it really isn't healthy for them.
IF what you say is true, then I'm assuming its either word of mouth and your friend lied, or this animal is incredibly sick.
From a husbandry point of view, keeping a snake in bed with you (long term) is idiotic at best, you can't hope to maintain a stable temperature/humidity in the average house, unless of course your friend has her bed set up in the snakes enclosure...

[stephanbakir]

Forgot to add,
Regarding your second statement of "Trust" I do believe this is possible. I know of 3 snakes who I can work with who have never shown me any sign of aggression (Can't believe I said aggression, meant defensive), 1 reticulated python, 1 copperhead and 1 king cobra. With me they are "dog tame" but bring another handler into the mix and they get defensive... Do I know for sure if this is trust based... no but at the same time I also can't deny that this has been happening for close to 2 years.

[alessia55]

I personally wouldn't let a snake that size sleep with me and pose a danger to anyone who comes near me by being so defensive.

Can snakes love? Well, I like to think that I have a close connection with my adult ball python Kaybe. I think he definitely picks up on my energy. When I'm happy, he's normal and slithers around and explores while I'm handling him. When I'm sad, he sits quietly on my lap and lets me stroke him. In fact, I've worked with a few friends of mine who wanted to get over their fear of snakes, and I showed them Kaybe and he seemed to "know" to keep his face facing away from them, and to move slowly, which calmed my friends down a lot. So yeah, I think some snakes can develop close bonds with their keepers and a mutual level of understanding and respect. :)

[infernalis]

I wont be the one to pussy foot around - that idea is STUPID. The snake needs a PROPER environment to live in, it could easily kill the owner without them even waking up, the only reason it stays where it is is because of the heat.

If this snake either kills the owner or escapes and kills someone else then once again our hobby has something else for legislators to knock us back with to make it more difficult if not illegal to keep exotic creatures.

This.... once again Rob said it all and quite nicely too.

[Jay]

Forgot to add,
Regarding your second statement of "Trust" I do believe this is possible. I know of 3 snakes who I can work with who have never shown me any sign of aggression (Can't believe I said aggression, meant defensive), 1 reticulated python, 1 copperhead and 1 king cobra. With me they are "dog tame" but bring another handler into the mix and they get defensive... Do I know for sure if this is trust based... no but at the same time I also can't deny that this has been happening for close to 2 years.

I don't believe it's trust. The reason they are not defensive is most likely you know what your doing with them and how to properly approach the snakes.

[millertime89]

Wayne, I have had several dogs, I'm not sure what to call that, perhaps love is the correct word, but I would lean more towards a pack mentality of devotion.

Alessia, most animals can sense moods of each other, it wouldn't surprise me that a pet, even a snake, that you've had for some time is able to pick up on your moods more acutely than those of others.

[pythoncrazy]

I don't believe it's trust. The reason they are not defensive is most likely you know what your doing with them and how to properly approach the snakes.

So your saying any other handler doesn't know what they're doing or how to approach them and this is why they react defensively to any other handler?

[millertime89]

So your saying any other handler doesn't know what they're doing or how to approach them and this is why they react defensively to any other handler?

it could be because every other handler does things slightly differently and there's if not a level of trust, at least a level of comfort with a familiar being, that the snake has with that particular keeper.

[pythoncrazy]

How right you are, burmese pythons are INCREDIBLY sensitive to low temperatures, and while they can survive at low humidity it really isn't healthy for them.
IF what you say is true, then I'm assuming its either word of mouth and your friend lied, or this animal is incredibly sick.
From a husbandry point of view, keeping a snake in bed with you (long term) is idiotic at best, you can't hope to maintain a stable temperature/humidity in the average house, unless of course your friend has her bed set up in the snakes enclosure...

Obviously the snake is not free roaming at is only out at night. I actually don't agree with her and think it's really stupid myself. I would never let a snake of that size sleep with me. Even unintentionally it could kill you in your sleep just with it's weight. I guess love is a little too far but trust can definitely be there.

[alessia55]

This whole "sleeping with a giant snake" thing is making me think of that Animal Planet show "Fatal Attractions" :eek:

[pythoncrazy]

Totally off topic but Alessia how do you have 0.2 cats?

[stephanbakir]

Obviously the snake is not free roaming at is only out at night. I actually don't agree with her and think it's really stupid myself. I would never let a snake of that size sleep with me. Even unintentionally it could kill you in your sleep just with it's weight. I guess love is a little too far but trust can definitely be there.
What I'm saying is, I can't imagine a burmese python lasting long in that type of environment... They are REALLY sensitive to temperature and humidity.

[stephanbakir]

Totally off topic but Alessia how do you have 0.2 cats?
Male.Female.Unknown gender

0.2.0 = 0 male/2 female/0 unknown.

[Lankyrob]

Totally off topic but Alessia how do you have 0.2 cats?

First number is males, second is females (if there is a third number then it is eggs/unsexed animals)

[alessia55]

Totally off topic but Alessia how do you have 0.2 cats?

I think you're interpreting "0.2 cats" to mean I have one fourth of a cat :p
The positioning of the dots is as follows:
male.female.unsexed
so I have 2.0 ball pythons: both male
0.2 cats: 2 female cats
Get it? :)

[pythoncrazy]

I think you're interpreting "0.2 cats" to mean I have one fourth of a cat :p
The positioning of the dots is as follows:
male.female.unsexed
so I have 2.0 ball pythons: both male
0.2 cats: 2 female cats
Get it? :)

That would be one fifth and yeah I get it :P

[alessia55]

That would be one fifth and yeah I get it :P

bahahahah that's why my boyfriend is the math major, not me :p :p :p

[millertime89]

I think you're interpreting "0.2 cats" to mean I have one fourth of a cat :p
The positioning of the dots is as follows:
male.female.unsexed
so I have 2.0 ball pythons: both male
0.2 cats: 2 female cats
Get it? :)

that would actually be one fifth :P

[alessia55]

that would actually be one fifth :P

C'mon guys, you don't ALL have to call me out on it now.. cut me some slack ahhaha :p

[millertime89]

C'mon guys, you don't ALL have to call me out on it now.. cut me some slack ahhaha :p

nein! Du bist an universitaet

[alessia55]

nein! Du bist an universitaet

It was an honest mistake! :o

[Jay]

So your saying any other handler doesn't know what they're doing or how to approach them and this is why they react defensively to any other handler?

I was not talking to you, but yes that might be the case. Not all snake owners are smart/educated "handlers."

#1. Any responsible keeper will Limit handling any large reptile, unless needed.

Again as you can clearly see just because someone has a snake does not give them the title as a responsible snake keeper, it's earned.

By letting your snake sleep with you, or even housing 2 solitary animals is infact animal cruelty, and you and your friend should have your animals taken away and receive a fine.

[alessia55]

Maybe it is stretched out next to him while he sleeps because he's measuring him up to be a meal one day :eek: I know that's often joked about... but it might have some grounding in truth, right? I mean, it could...

Oh, I'm being eaten
By a boa constrictor,
A boa constrictor,
A boa constrictor,
I'm being eaten by a boa constrictor,
And I don't like it--one bit.
Well, what do you know?
It's nibblin' my toe.
Oh, gee,
It's up to my knee.
Oh my,
It's up to my thigh.
Oh, fiddle,
It's up to my middle.
Oh, heck,
It's up to my neck.
Oh, dread,
It's upmmmmmmmmmmffffffffff...
-a poem by Shel Silverstein :D

[SSSSnakes]

I would not let the snake sleep in my bed, because I would not want to wake in in a pile of poop and urine.

[Jay]

I would not let the snake sleep in my bed, because I would not want to wake in in a pile of poop and urine.

A very gross situation...never even thought of that aspect.

[youngster]

My sister had a friend who slept with her RTB and it eventually started sizing her up :P Not a good idea IMO could hurt the snake, yourself, or someone else.
Alessia is right, if it's stretching itself out next to you it's sizing you up.

[SSSSnakes]

My sister had a friend who slept with her RTB and it eventually started sizing her up :P Not a good idea IMO could hurt the snake, yourself, or someone else.
Alessia is right, if it's stretching itself out next to you it's sizing you up.

Snakes do not stretch out next to you to size you up to see if they can eat you. That is a stupid myth.

[Snakefood]

As far as I know snakes have a primitive/instinctual brain. Therefore concepts such as love and relationships are most likely beyond them. Primitive brains allows for learned reponses being attached to certain scents. Such as

"youngster has this scent, that scent has never been associated with negativity, and is also associated with a constant supply of food, this scent is not associated with danger, so I do not need to defend myself"

"jay0133 has another scent, this is a new scent associated with a large moving being that is capable of hurting me, I need to defend myself"

So saying they are capable of love? I really don't think so, and I believe there is enough research that has been done on the brain structure of snakes and reptiles to prove this.

[pythoncrazy]

I was not talking to you, but yes that might be the case. Not all snake owners are smart/educated "handlers."

#1. Any responsible keeper will Limit handling any large reptile, unless needed.

Again as you can clearly see just because someone has a snake does not give them the title as a responsible snake keeper, it's earned.

By letting your snake sleep with you, or even housing 2 solitary animals is infact animal cruelty, and you and your friend should have your animals taken away and receive a fine.

**** you, go **** yourself and die in a bloody hole you ****ing twat.

[stephanbakir]

**** you, go **** yourself and die in a bloody hole you ****ing twat.
Hes right man... It's irresponsible and should be considered abusive to keep an animal this way.
Seeing as your response was obviously overkill, I'm going to assume that it was meant that way to get you banned? Nice giggling at you...

[pythoncrazy]

Hes right man... It's irresponsible and should be considered abusive to keep an animal this way.
Seeing as your response was obviously overkill, I'm going to assume that it was meant that way to get you banned? Nice giggling at you...

P.iss off I said I would get another tank, bitch.
Please delete my account, i'll let the few speak for the many and assume that you're all f.ucking d.ouchebags. I can find another forum. ssnakess.com is a gay name for a website anyways.

[stephanbakir]

[quote=stephanbakir;640325]Hes right man... It's irresponsible and should be considered abusive to keep an animal this way.
Seeing as your response was obviously overkill, I'm going to assume that it was meant that way to get you banned? /quote]

[pythoncrazy]

Wow you quoted yourself...******.

[pythoncrazy]

meant to say r.etard

[Jay]

Really, relax. The truth sometimes is a bit much to take in.
I wish you good with your snakes, hopfully you will realize how important it is to provide proper, not sub standard care for your pets.

[Snakefood]

wow, you know what, please do delete your account and go elsewhere!! This sort of obcenity is not why I and most others come here!!

Wayne, I think this guy has gone too far, will you please do something about it?

[pythoncrazy]

Really, relax. The truth sometimes is a bit much to take in.
I wish you good with your snakes, hopfully you will realize how important it is to provide proper, not sub standard care for your pets.

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[Jay]

"jay0133 has another scent, this is a new scent associated with a large moving being that is capable of hurting me, I need to defend myself"

Are you trying to tell me I should shower :p
Great point

[pythoncrazy]

wow, you know what, please do delete your account and go elsewhere!! This sort of obcenity is not why I and most others come here!!

Wayne, I think this guy has gone too far, will you please do something about it?

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[Jay]

My sister had a friend who slept with her RTB and it eventually started sizing her up :P Not a good idea IMO could hurt the snake, yourself, or someone else.
Alessia is right, if it's stretching itself out next to you it's sizing you up.

I have yet to read any facts on this…myth.

[Lankyrob]

At the bottom of posts under peoples avatar is a black square with a cross in it - this is hte REPORT button, it sends a message to the moderators that a post is inappropriate.

I ahve done this for this person already so be sure that Wayne or Boots will be dealing with it soon, for future reference this is the way to deal with people that cant debate things in an adult mature way and resort to abusive language and insults.

[Snakefood]

Are you trying to tell me I should shower :p
Great point

LMAOROF!!!!!! cute darlin!!

[Jay]

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Great you're on the right track, have you looked into switching from live to frozen. It can be done just don't give up.

[Snakefood]

At the bottom of posts under peoples avatar is a black square with a cross in it - this is hte REPORT button, it sends a message to the moderators that a post is inappropriate.

I ahve done this for this person already so be sure that Wayne or Boots will be dealing with it soon, for future reference this is the way to deal with people that cant debate things in an adult mature way and resort to abusive language and insults.


Thanks rob, I sent one too, hopefully a mod will get on it soon!:yes: It's sad to see someone want to be so vulgar that they will add periods into words to bypass the auto-editor. Cuz none of know what **** means:no:

[UwabamiReptiles]

Big constrictors are very dangerous if their owners don't know what they are doing. There was a couple here in fl that are now in jail because they didn't keep their burm in the right conditions and had it in a tank with a towel over the top. Unfortunately the snake got out and killed the couples two year old daughter. And that would a malnourished 12 ft I believe. Isn't the rule if its over eight or ten foot(something like that) that you shouldn't handle the snake by yourself? I think you are just asking for trouble when you let a 15 footer sleep with you. These beautiful animals already have enough negative attention. And this sleeping with one is just setting the politicians up to have yet another reason to ban keeping snakes. Ok rant over:)

[lady_bug87]

I agree that snakes should not be in bed with you while you sleep I don't feel that snakes can love but I do believe that there is a sacred and mutual respect between handler and snake which should always be maintained to the best of our ability because even the best handlers make mistakes which can hurt the animal and in turn the animal can hurt us back because of a misunderstanding

About that pythoncrazy guy: if you're pride is so great that you cannot take honest criticism then I feel sorry for your animals and maybe you shouldn't have them but everywhere you go you will be met with the same information. The people here that you have so rudely treated have enough experience combined to fill a lifetime and you would are doing yourself and your animals an injustice by treating them thusly.

[Lankyrob]

Big constrictors are very dangerous if their owners don't know what they are doing. There was a couple here in fl that are now in jail because they didn't keep their burm in the right conditions and had it in a tank with a towel over the top. Unfortunately the snake got out and killed the couples two year old daughter. And that would a malnourished 12 ft I believe. Isn't the rule if its over eight or ten foot(something like that) that you shouldn't handle the snake by yourself? I think you are just asking for trouble when you let a 15 footer sleep with you. These beautiful animals already have enough negative attention. And this sleeping with one is just setting the politicians up to have yet another reason to ban keeping snakes. Ok rant over:)


I believe it is one person for every 8ft of snake

[alessia55]

Geez... I'm away from the forum for an hour and this thread blew up! :eek: pythoncrazy guy needs go. Pythoncrazy: just don't ever type in ssnakess.com again, don't sign in, don't check the forum... if you don't want to follow the rules, then you're not welcome here. I'm sure most people here only ever want to have good conversation that centers around improving the quality of the lives of reptiles worldwide. We never mean harm. But your language and comments DO mean harm, so you do not belong here. :no:

[Snakefood]

Geez... I'm away from the forum for an hour and this thread blew up! :eek: pythoncrazy guy needs go. Pythoncrazy: just don't ever type in ssnakess.com again, don't sign in, don't check the forum... if you don't want to follow the rules, then you're not welcome here. I'm sure most people here only ever want to have good conversation that tailors around improving the quality of the lives of reptiles worldwide. We never mean harm. But your language and comments DO mean harm, so you do not belong here. :no:

Ya, it's like he can't stop himself until SOMEONE else deletes his account for him:confused: Correct me if I am wrong, but can't we as the account holders delete our own accounts?? I've never tried, but it would seem strange that if someone wants to delete thier account and leave, that they would need a mod to do it for them:sorry:

[millertime89]

Ya, it's like he can't stop himself until SOMEONE else deletes his account for him:confused: Correct me if I am wrong, but can't we as the account holders delete our own accounts?? I've never tried, but it would seem strange that if someone wants to delete thier account and leave, that they would need a mod to do it for them:sorry:

I don't think so, I'm pretty sure the only way we can delete our account is by PMing a mod, or leaving and never returning, which isn't exactly hard.

[snake man12]

Its instincts and that's it. Snakes can only be threatened and scared. Not to insult snakes but they don't even have the brain capacity to feel that u are violating there territories. I do love my snakes though

[Snakefood]

right, you love them, but they don't love you. They simply don't associate you with danger.

[infernalis]

Account terminated.... carry on folks..

[snake man12]

right, you love them, but they don't love you. They simply don't associate you with danger.

They tolerate the handling because they sense u are not a threat

[UwabamiReptiles]

I believe it is one person for every 8ft of snake


Thanks Rob, I knew it was somewhere around that length.

[snake man12]

nein! Du bist an universitaet

Du sprichist Deutsche nicht whar

[SSSSnakes]

Du sprichist Deutsche nicht whar

Sie können jederzeit herausfinden, wer weiß, wie man den Google-Übersetzer benutzen

[snake man12]

Sie können jederzeit herausfinden, wer weiß, wie man den Google-Übersetzer benutzen

Sorry just started learning German. Agenenhem es freut mich

[infernalis]

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[snake man12]

I see infernalis is a fan of Deutsche music videos. Its actually a pretty nice tune

[blindfireak40]

Sie können jederzeit herausfinden, wer weiß, wie man den Google-Übersetzer benutzen

"you can always find here, who knows, how someone uses Google Translate."

That's the literal, but my grammar ist tot und vergesst, so Ich kann nicht wirklich verstehen.

[infernalis]

"You hate me" just seemed fitting for this loving thread.

[red ink]

I'm not singling out anybody here.... I personally don't believe snakes have any emotions at all, they run on base instincts.....

I'm not having a go either at anyone that does believe that snakes can "love".....

I just want to find out for those that think their snakes love them how far they are willing to follow through on this conviction. I have had this conversation with numerous keepers over the years and my stance has never changed.

One thing I have always told them is are they willing to gamble their whole collection on the old adage of:

"If you love it set it free, if it loves you it will come back"

Suprisingly not one person that says their snake loves them has taken up that experiment.

[Lankyrob]

I'm not singling out anybody here.... I personally don't believe snakes have any emotions at all, they run on base instincts.....

I'm not having a go either at anyone that does believe that snakes can "love".....

I just want to find out for those that think their snakes love them how far they are willing to follow through on this conviction. I have had this conversation with numerous keepers over the years and my stance has never changed.

One thing I have always told them is are they willing to gamble their whole collection on the old adage of:

"If you love it set it free, if it loves you it will come back"

Suprisingly not one person that says their snake loves them has taken up that experiment.

Lol - i LOVE this!! :) :) :) :)

[SkYyaMe1623]

Come on who wouldn't want to sleep with this?
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f376/1MileNorth/372200ef.jpg

[totheend]

I love this song :D Thanks for posting!



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[Terranaut]

I had a feeling thia was going to end like this. I was going to guess their age at about 11-12. I wish I could have read some of the deleted material. Must have been " special" ;)

[infernalis]

I had a feeling thia was going to end like this. I was going to guess their age at about 11-12. I wish I could have read some of the deleted material. Must have been " special" ;)

Yeah. I predicted it way back here....

I think I'm going to just watch where this goes for a while before I comment.


The stuff I deleted was just a bunch of childish swearing, He felt the need to drop a few "F-bombs" The kid figured out to put periods and blank spaces to defeat the censor software.

[stephanbakir]

Gotta say, awarding the OP the title of "Potty Mouth" made my day! :P

[lady_bug87]

Gotta say, awarding the OP the title of "Potty Mouth" made my day! :P

^^ haha mine too

[marvelfreak]

When i first started reading this i could tell this guy was a troll.

[Snakefood]

it was an odd first post!!

[redsided]

Well, this took off quick...

Dogs can love, love, love ya all day, and nothing you can say will ever make me think otherwise. None of that pack crap. My dog has a special bonding to me, and while my family would hate to admit it, more so then them... there are 5 people in my house, and he chooses to follow me around. Not because i give him more treats (i don't -- hardly ever), not because I'm warmer (im not) lol, he just loves me. Everyone in my family you ask will say he's un-walkable. Impossible to walk on a leash. Me... he's not a problem. In fact, i rarely use a leash. i'll go walking down the road to the creek with him following beside me willingly, with no promise of anything edible.

I don't think snakes can love, or feel real emotion, but some snakes, especially certain ones like garters, can definately think on their own. It's not just poop, sleep, eat, breed. I've seen all my garters do things that can't be anything but intelligence.

They don't actually get emotionally attached imo, but they can definitely learn to trust you (intelligence again -- key word is learn). I have come home with a new haircut, and my snakes panic, not recognizing me.... i've read of people switching to contacts and having the same reaction.

My snakes do not like being handled all that much, some get really stressed when my family dares hold them. But most of them will come towards me, climb up my arm, and fall asleep. I was checking over my snakes during a movie once... i looked back down my little baby concinnus was fast asleep in my lap, and didn't wake up for a good 10 minutes, and only cause i moved. (sitting still for ten minutes has that affect on you lol)

he slept there because he trusted me, but it was also because it was warm and stuff, it sure wasn't love.

But they CAN trust you.

put them in my shirt pocket, they chill. Put them in someone else's they panic.

My snakes don't take food out of my sisters hands.

I've seen a few times, my family walk up, and my flame leaps back, mouth open, falls over on his back, and take off like a shot. he never reacts even slightly unnerved when i approach the cage.

They can definitely trust you, but i've never thought of it as love.

I only have one that doesn't trust me. My checkered is downright mean. But he's not angry, doesn't hate me, just doesn't trust me yet.

My concinnus loves being out of the cage. he see's me as a way to get out and explore. He knows when i pick him up, he gets to see new scenery, and climb around something new. But he doesn't think that of other people, even though it's obviously the same with them.

Not emotions, just trust. They CAN trust you, they CAN (at least garters) think on their own, but they CAN'T love.

IMHO.

[infernalis]

What you just described is why I would chose a garter snake over all else if I was forced to only have one.

The never ending curiosity of what is going on around them fascinates me.

[redsided]

Exactly why i love them too.

[minaa]

Part of me wants to believe that all animals have the capacity for love, it's just how much capacity there is.

However, I know scientifically it's most likely not the case.

Do I think that snakes can have a bond with their owners? Definitely. Can they feel what describe as love? Probably not.

[jaleely]

Wow. Okay, well anyway back to topic *lol* If someone is sleeping with a snake, I bet that didn't last long for the exact reason of pooping the bed. Also it's bad for the snake, the humidity, etc., so if the snake did last a while in the bed before pooping it probably got sick.

Anyway, sleeping together is not love =P *lol*

Can snakes love? I'd like to think so, but naw. They are base instinct. I think they tolerate. Our first ball python, Sapphie, is curious, sweet, sits in your lap, investigates things, likes her head scratched (she'll turn to the side you're rubbing, and sit for as long as you'll rub)...she's a sweetheart...but overall she likes to eat, sit in her cage, and hide in her log. She won't come when called, won't come to you for any reason and doesn't give kisses *LOL*

Now as for my basset hound....that's another story. Dogs love very much! Unconditionally in fact.

[ZARADOZIA]

wow..I don't log in for a few and things blow up. Certainly interesting.

Sleeping with a snake...over my dead body, which is exactly what would happen if I slept with one...

It is why I wont own a snake that can eat me, my family, or my cats. When they are hungry, food is food.

I would love to believe that reptiles feel love but I have not seen, experienced, or read anything that documents any indication of it.

I do believe you can build trust and I know they can learn, but love...I don't believe it.

[RegenerationRep]

This is the reason why people think herpers are nut jobs.

[redsided]

They haven't seen anything yet.:D

[Gungirl]

Yeah. I predicted it way back here.....

I had the same feeling. I started to respond a few times but always changed my mind due to the trollness of it all.

[redsided]

Oh, i knew it was a troll, so i didn't answer, then i had too. That dog comment kinda set me off.

[millertime89]

the sad thing is, he wasn't a troll in the traditional sense of the word.

[infernalis]

the sad thing is, he wasn't a troll in the traditional sense of the word.


Honestly, I think he was a misinformed stubborn person.

I know a lady exactly like him, she will be your best friend in the world, until you disagree with her, then suddenly she's getting charged with disorderly conduct.

It's a mental disorder that's not really all that rare.

[millertime89]

ha ha, that's what I was getting at Wayne, you just put it into words better. you should see some of the people that come into my work. I work at the university I attend, and some of the smartest people in the world seem to have that disorder.

[infernalis]

ha ha, that's what I was getting at Wayne, you just put it into words better. you should see some of the people that come into my work. I work at the university I attend, and some of the smartest people in the world seem to have that disorder.


There is a woman I know right up the street, she got mad at me because some dust from my property blew over to her property, so she came charging over here, trespassed and just unloaded a bunch of verbal harassment.

I had her "spoken to" by the police, within days I had Children's services here on a complaint that I mistreat my kids, a few days later animal control stopped by, then it was code enforcement.. You get the idea.

She went as far as writing letters to the editor of the local paper, she even tried to sue me. (I won, No lawyer needed) The court date was hilarious!!! the judge had to gavel the bench many times because the woman kept shouting out of turn.

Her claim was that my dust has lowered the value of her home. Newsflash, we are an agro community, no dust laws here.

The world is full of frikkin weirdos.

[alessia55]

At least you know who your neighbors are. I've seen my neighbors only once, don't know their names, and don't know anyone else who lives in the apartments around me. Kind of weird :robo:

[infernalis]

Well, I'm not exactly "innocent", after it was all said and done, I bought a new leaf blower just to torment her.

http://www.reptard.info/testicle/blower.jpg

[Jay]

At least you know who your neighbors are. I've seen my neighbors only once, don't know their names, and don't know anyone else who lives in the apartments around me. Kind of weird :robo:

Sometimes it's better off that way :p

[infernalis]

Sometimes it's better off that way :p


Heck yeah!! I would rather NOT know most of my neighbours.

[ZARADOZIA]

I know all my neighbors, most of us are retired military and get along wonderfully. But there is always that one that is ALWAYS around and whining about their life. Those are the ones that aggravate me to no end. Normally, I love having a cup of coffee on my front porch while reading a book (I get up at 0430) but had to stop because one neighbor decided that since I was outside I wanted company....every morning...




I Love the pic of your son testing the leaf blower. That's awesome!

[jaleely]

*lmao* is that a real pic? That is awesome. nut-job lady!

Oh well, trolls stir up some excitement every now and then...too bad they always get out of hand!

[infernalis]

*lmao* is that a real pic? That is awesome. nut-job lady!

Oh well, trolls stir up some excitement every now and then...too bad they always get out of hand!

Yes it is, My son had a blast that day, drove that woman out of her mind.

[jaleely]

oh my gosh, I think that is so funny. I just can't believe she took you to court over dust. But, you guys are hilarious for instigating her! LOL

[lady_bug87]

not only do I know my neighbors I know the supers and manager of my condo lol they all know me as the lizard lady because in the summer I take my beardie outside while I walk my dog

[Snakefood]

oh my gosh, I think that is so funny. I just can't believe she took you to court over dust. But, you guys are hilarious for instigating her! LOL


I love to "feed the trolls" online and off!! It's amusing!!:yes:

[infernalis]

Best one ever, I took a broom and swept the dirt, collected a 5 gallon bucket of talcum fine dust.

Store it until winter, push leaf blower into bucket and squeeze trigger.

911 - How may I help you
Woman - Wayne is making dust
911 - please repeat
Woman - my ****** neighbor is making big dust clouds/
911 - Mam are you drunk right now, are you on drugs
Woman - why would you say that to me?
911 - did you not notice the foot deep snow out there.
Woman - I don't know how, but he's making dust
911 - go take a xanax and sleep it off, Bye Bye.

[alessia55]

Hahahaha thats hilarious Wayne! Thats not a real call though right?!

[blindfireak40]

Knowing Wayne, I wouldn't be surprised if the 911 dispatcher regularly rides his dirt bike out on Wayne's property...I could see a call like that being relayed "off the record" :yes:

[infernalis]

Muhahahahaha thats hilarious Wayne! Thats not a real call though right?!


I had no way to overhear it, so I speculated how it must have went. I had my fun and it got old. I took the leaf blower up to my friends who lives on the other side of her just because the wind was blowing the wrong way.

I swept his dirt driveway off for free because it's the neighborly thing to do. and I looked her dead in the eye the whole time.

No fooling, she's on our town council board, all I have to do is attend a board meeting (They are open to the public) and the whole room turns upside down.

You guys all know me well enough, I am very reasonable and easy to get along with, but when she decided to harass my family, and involve my kids, well I can become evil, but well educated evil.

Ask me for a fence and I will hand you a row of telephone poles and cheddar orange safety netting 8 feet tall strung on quarter inch cables.

[alessia55]

... Wayne. Did you re-write my quote to be Muhahahaha? Clearly I did not put the Mu in there, lol.

So have you ever been able to sit down with this neighbor and actually find common ground? Despite how fun it can be to have some sort of a rivalry going on, I think personally I'd prefer peace

[infernalis]

... Wayne. Did you re-write my quote to be Muhahahaha? Clearly I did not put the Mu in there, lol.

So have you ever been able to sit down with this neighbor and actually find common ground? Despite how fun it can be to have some sort of a rivalry going on, I think personally I'd prefer peace

(My spell checker hacked your quote)


I would too... I would love nothing more, she is mental, no kidding, impossible to reason with, can't be done I tried.

We are talking about one of those people who actually blows her horn at me and sticks out her tongue when she drives by my house.

My livelyhood depends on that race track making money, and the only way racetracks make money is to operate, it makes noise, it makes dust, but it's not 24/7.

.. If she can't take it, then move away and leave me alone.

She has entered my park on a busy july afternoon and started shouting explicit anger riddled verbal garbage at everyone here, including small children picnicing with with family.

So I promptly had her arrested, and it has just rolled along from there.

[millertime89]

what a horrible person.
has she seen chomper yet?

[infernalis]

She must know, animal control does:rolleyes:

[ZARADOZIA]

(my spell checker hacked your quote)


i would too... I would love nothing more, she is mental, no kidding, impossible to reason with, can't be done i tried.

We are talking about one of those people who actually blows her horn at me and sticks out her tongue when she drives by my house.

My livelyhood depends on that race track making money, and the only way racetracks make money is to operate, it makes noise, it makes dust, but it's not 24/7.

.. If she can't take it, then move away and leave me alone.

She has entered my park on a busy july afternoon and started shouting explicit anger riddled verbal garbage at everyone here, including small children picnicing with with family.

So i promptly had her arrested, and it has just rolled along from there.

i love it!!

[millertime89]

She must know, animal control does:rolleyes:

you should... introduce her...

[Snakefood]

you should... introduce her...


"hi there, this is Chomper. He has a complaint about the noise pollution you bring to my property........."

[Gungirl]

Did she happen to move in after you had the race track up and running or before?

[infernalis]

Did she happen to move in after you had the race track up and running or before?

No, we grew up right where we are, she inherited from her mom, I inherited from my mom.

My track was the best thing ever until one day a cloud of dust blew over while she had white bed sheets on outside clotheslines still wet.

Common sense 101, you live next door to a motocross track for 5 years, your son rides on it daily, it's a Saturday in July, it has not rained in weeks... There is loud engine noises emanating from from the track.. why would you hang out your wash??? 5 years you know by now that dust storm is coming. But DUH it's my fault her wash turned brown.

Then she came over, I had her arrested, so now her sheets are wrecked, shes got a ticket and I'm still running the bikes.

Her little bipolar switch flipped and she's been mental for me since.

Like I said, court was amazingly fun, it was all the judge could do not to laugh during the proceedings.

She brought her son with her, I brought a folder full of pictures of her son in full motocross gear burning laps on my track... woo hoo I ordered the boy on the stand, they swore him in, and I just started dropping photos of her kid down. It was epic, she was shouting out of turn, the judge is smacking the bench with the gavel.. it was cool.

She lost her case and her wits, even drove a 200 mile round trip to go whine at the state senate about me. "Something has to be done to stop this track, it's destroying our neighbourhood" they sent her home..

[alessia55]

that's hysterical. I would've loved to be there. epic win

[Gungirl]

Ahh The fact that her son uses it makes this even more grand.. I love it Wayne. Keep up the good work!!

[infernalis]

Ahh The fact that her son uses it makes this even more grand.. I love it Wayne. Keep up the good work!!

He's been too ashamed of his mom to return since the court hearing.

I all but raised that boy, she used to send him over with a full tank of gas and use me as a babysitter of sorts.

[Gungirl]

Aww thats a shame....

[Tiger_stripes]

One thing I have always told them is are they willing to gamble their whole collection on the old adage of:

"If you love it set it free, if it loves you it will come back"

Suprisingly not one person that says their snake loves them has taken up that experiment.

My Tiger Salamander comes when I waggle a finger at him, does that count? :p Of course he just wants food :D

[infernalis]

Sending this one to the graveyard......