New Bullsnake + Corn and Ball Feeding Video

[RegenerationRep]

Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1823138956670)

I'm sorry I had to post it on Facebook.Google wont let me login to YouTube.
Anyways if you have any trouble let me know.

P.S - Sorry if this isn't your type of music hahaha

[alessia55]

The link tells me it's unavailable...

[redsided]

Ditto but I think it's cause I dont have an account.

[youngster]

If you aren't his friend you can't see it.

[Gungirl]

If you aren't his friend you can't see it.

^^ correct. If you want to let everyone see it you need to go to your settings and make it public.

[redsided]

Well I don't have a Facebook anyway..

[whoaxmary]

nope, no go with the link.

[RegenerationRep]

Oops sorry guys. I'll try to fix it and post a link ASAP


Edit;
New Bull Snake and Feeding Video (http://www.onetruemedia.com/shared?p=f4e1c174284414115bcb27&skin_id=0&utm_source=otm&utm_medium=text_url)

[alessia55]

Oops sorry guys. I'll try to fix it and post a link ASAP


Edit;
New Bull Snake and Feeding Video (http://www.onetruemedia.com/shared?p=f4e1c174284414115bcb27&skin_id=0&utm_source=otm&utm_medium=text_url)

Saw it! Thanks for fixing the link. I look forward to videos of the bull snake too

[RegenerationRep]

Thank You :D

[blindfireak40]

Nice video, but two questions:

1) Is there any particular reason you've got them on such small items? Most snakes can handle prey items 1.5 times their body width with absolutely no issues; in fact, it's encouraged. That ball looks big enough for rats! :)

2) have you considered feeding frozen/thawed or pre-killed? Even if the snake constricts, kills, and eats a live prey item immediately, injury can result in the struggle, especially if you're feeding rats (things are NASTY).

Anyways, good lookin' snakes! I like the looks of that bullsnake :)

[RegenerationRep]

Well as for the small sized prey, I bought a tonn of mice in bulk, around 25 live mixed sized. They never have rats at my petstore and to get 3 mice is cheaper then getting a rat and its the same amount of food. And the pet store also sells F/T Mice for ridiculous prices. I am breeding mice soon so the surplus will be frozen/thawed. Otherwise I have always fed live and never had a problem, would never try it with a rat though haha

[Lankyrob]

One rat is a much healtier meal than three mice tho, in terms of the fat content if nothing else.

[Jay]

It's a shame to see people improvise due to their lack of money to care for their pet. Why do you feed live?

[RegenerationRep]

I just always have and never had a problem with it. Why fix something that isn't broken. As for money. I'm 15. I dont make a lot of money. All my snakes are perfectly healthy although I'll seriously look into rats. I have posted videos and pictures all over the web and never had anybody else suggest rats.


Thanks

[Lankyrob]

Not many places online care for reptiles as much as this forum, we all want what is best for the animals in question.

[blindfireak40]

Not many places online care for reptiles as much as this forum, we all want what is best for the animals in question.

Which is something that can be hard for people to take sometimes. That said, just bear in mind that everything people may suggest or point out to you is said with the animals' absolute best interests at heart.

Remember also, this is probably one of the most knowledgeable forums out there and definitely the most effectively moderated; a majority of the information found here is accurate :)

Best of luck getting the feeder situation figured; if I were you I'd just start breeding rats rather than mice, the corn looks like it'd be fine with rat pinks or pups or weanlings or whatever you wanna call 'em. Just make sure they're dead before they go in the cage :)

[RegenerationRep]

I don't see how a rat pink can harm a corn lol but ok.

I think I will deff. give breeding rats ago.

[ZARADOZIA]

I don't see how a rat pink can harm a corn lol but ok.

If the snake is used to prekilled rats/mice to start with, then there is zero chance of the snake being hurt later on. Some times rats and mice fight back and can seriously injure the snake. And sometimes kill the snake because a vital organ is hit.

Like what happened here:
http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/general-discussion/88462-help-exremly-urgent-2.html#post636725


When I got Sasha, her previous owner fed her live only and said that was the ONLY way she would eat. So I did the same until she was bitten. Luckily for me it wasn't bad and didn't even draw blood. But it scared me badly and ever since then, I feed her prekilled frozen then thawed.

[RegenerationRep]

I know there is zero chance of them getting hurt, but the way I see it is people aren't giving snakes enough credit, they've been around for millions of years. They know how to kill a mouse. Obviously rats can do major damage on a snake thats to small to handle it.I supervise all feeding and dont really mind getting bit, if something goes wrong, I can break it up.

[Uncle_Rev]

I know there is zero chance of them getting hurt, but the way I see it is people aren't giving snakes enough credit, they've been around for millions of years.

Yes, snakes have been in the wild for millions of years. In the wild there is no youtube, no rap music, or a handler to tail drop some mice face first at them.

The truth is your snake is not wild. It can and will eventually get bit. Please do some research on your snakes, people have included care sheets. Please use them.

They know how to kill a mouse. Obviously rats can do major damage on a snake thats to small to handle it.I supervise all feeding and dont really mind getting bit, if something goes wrong, I can break it up.

If an animal can bite, it will bite. It will bite you, it will bite your snake, when scared it will bite damn near anything, I promise.

[RegenerationRep]

I have read many care sheets and all my snakes are kept fine. If you dont like that I feed live, that's to bad. I'm sorry for being rude, but honestly they are my snakes and I can take the risk of feeding live. I've never had a problem with it lol. I'm 15 and I learn by trial and error.

As for the rap and youtube, that's personal preference and has nothing to do with feeding my snakes...

[youngster]

I learn by trial and error.

I respect you 'cause we're both young snake enthusiasts, but this doesn't make sense. You're saying by 'trial and error' that you're just going to keep feeding live until a rat pokes your snake's eye out? I think you should just start the process of switching them over to f/t. Again I don't really mean anything by this, just an opinion. BTW no one's trying to say your husbandry is off (I think), just the practice of live feeding.

[Uncle_Rev]

I have read many care sheets and all my snakes are kept fine. If you dont like that I feed live, that's to bad. I'm sorry for being rude, but honestly they are my snakes and I can take the risk of feeding live. I've never had a problem with it lol. I'm 15 and I learn by trial and error.

As for the rap and youtube, that's personal preference and has nothing to do with feeding my snakes...

You can make this a tinkling contest, you can boil all my words down to mean I am making fun of your you tubes and kid music and we can call it a day. However, truth be told, my post was not intended to insult you, only to help you understand you are making an error in the way you are feeding your snake.

You stated that snakes eat live in the wild thusly so should your captive domestic snake. I refuted your logic by pointing out your captive snakes have different environmental details than a wild snake, get over it.

You joined a community so then expect community interaction and feedback, either way the only thing you are affecting is your snake.

[RegenerationRep]

It sure sounded like you were?

I feed live to my animals that take live, and prekilled to animals that will take prekilled. I don't usually do f/t unless a snake constricts it but doesn't feed. All I am saying is, you guys don't give snakes enough credit. The snakes that get chewed up by rats are sick to begin with or off feed and had a rat thrown in there cage and the keeper walks away.

I asked the question on my facebook; "is it really so bad that I feed live?" and I got a ton of responses saying that it isn't.

So forget about trying to convert me to f/t. Ik what I'm doing. Sorry for being rude lol

[Gungirl]

Feeding F/t is to ensure our snakes are safe. Many snakes in the wild will have health issues and die within the first year of life. We as pet owners don't do what nature does to ensure that our snakes live long healthy lives. We are only suggesting that you feed F/t to ensure your snakes a longer life.

[ZARADOZIA]

It sure sounded like you were?

I feed live to my animals that take live, and prekilled to animals that will take prekilled. I don't usually do f/t unless a snake constricts it but doesn't feed. All I am saying is, you guys don't give snakes enough credit. The snakes that get chewed up by rats are sick to begin with or off feed and had a rat thrown in there cage and the keeper walks away.

I asked the question on my facebook; "is it really so bad that I feed live?" and I got a ton of responses saying that it isn't.

So forget about trying to convert me to f/t. Ik what I'm doing. Sorry for being rude lol



Easy kiddo. I am going to attempt to explain this in a manner that you can understand so bear with me on this.

The majority of the people on here have been handling snakes for most of their lives. That being said, the majority of our lives is three times (averagely speaking) your entire life. Simply stated, to where as you have been handling snakes for 7 years (highest possible estimate), we have been handling snakes, both wild caught and captive bred, for over 30 years.

1. You stated “The snakes that get chewed up by rats are sick to begin with or off feed and had a rat thrown in there cage and the keeper walks away”

This is pure speculation on your part with zero factual information to back it up. Many of us have experienced this and I can guarantee that our snakes are not sick and that we maintain constant presence during feeding time.

What you are unable to know because you have not experienced this aspect yet, is that captive snakes do not react the same as wild snakes. Captive snakes do not have the same instincts that wild snakes have. Period.

Wild snakes are born with basic instincts that are fine tuned over their life spans from experience, much the same as a child learning how to drive. You have basic instincts that are fine tuned with experience.

Captive bred snakes have the same basic instincts but because they are not subjected to the environment of hunting for food, ambush, stealth, and speed. They do not have the experiences as a wild snake to fine tune their instincts.

Captive bred snakes are use to their food being given to them. It is there, on schedule and they do not have to hunt or fight for it as a wild snake does. Because of this, captive bred snakes are not use to possible combatant situations that can arise.

2. You stated, “…you guys don't give snakes enough credit.”

It has nothing to do with being blindly assured that our snake will kill the rat/mouse every time.

It is us being smart and not allowing a possible bad situation to arise. We do not take the chance of our snakes getting hurt because it is easier, cheaper, and Smarter to prevent the situation rather than wait and see what happens.

Why allow the rat to bite the snake when I can prevent it all together? Let me explain this in a more simplistic manner:

A parent is at the store and their 5 year old child gets out of the car. The parent doesn’t hold the child’s hand (preventative measure) and then the 5 year old runs into the street.

Possible outcomes:
A) The child is hit by a car.
B) The car manages to hit the brakes in time.
C) No car is driving by.

Outcome A) is the same as the snake being bitten by the rat.
Outcome B) is the same as expecting the rat NOT to bite the snake.
Outcome C) is blind luck.

Wouldn’t it be smarter to prevent the child from running into the street by holding their hand rather than Hoping a car doesn’t drive by? Hoping the car can stop in time? Or the worst, praying your child doesn’t die because they were hit by the car?

The most important thing in being a pet owner and even a parent is the ability to see the worst possible scenario and then prevent it from coming to pass.

I know a rat can kill my Sasha. I also know that I can prevent it by feeding her Prekilled rats. Now I don’t have to rely on blind luck because I know a Prekilled rat cannot kill my Sasha.

If you doubt anything I have just said, have your mom take you to meet with the reptile keeper at the Zoo and speak with them. Go to ANY local vet and speak to them. Educate yourself before you make any opinions. Opinions based on opinions do not have any value. But opinions based on facts, carry a lot of weight.


(I am not even going to comment on "facebook" statement.)

[Lankyrob]

Snakes in captivity live on average twice as long as those in the wild

a) because they dont have to fight their food and risk injury
b) because they (usually) are kept in cleaner more sterile conditions
c) because they are less likely to be exposed to disease
d) there are no predators/hunters in captivity

In teh wild if a snake attacks a rat the rat has the option to run or to fight, in captivity the rat CANNOT run so it has one option - to fight for its life. No matter how good your snake is at striking/constricting and killing its prey the odds are that one day it will make a poor strike or not constrict effectively and the rat WILL fight to get free.

If you are lucky then the snake will survive with superficial wounds that can be treated at home inexpensively.

If you are slightly unlucky then the snake will need veterinary experience to heal it.

If you are very unlucky your snake is dead.

Apart in VERY few situations there is no need to feed live food to your snake, the vast majority will switch to f/t, some easily some after some time and effort on your part.

Why take the risk??

[Jay]

Lots of people are pointing out the benefits of frozen. I'm very curious to know the benefits of feeding live, would you mind listing them?
Do you feed live for your own benefit?
Please re home your snakes, unless you provide proper living conditions.
Do you really think you can pull a rat away from your snake before it gets bit? Open your eyes.

[RegenerationRep]

From a corn snake? Or a ball python? Yes lol.

Its not to my benefit, lol its just what I happened to do that night.

So forget about it. Don't preach somebody who doesn't want to be preached at. Please.

[Terranaut]

You are all getting a bit outa hand here. Realize the people on here just want whats best for your snake and all their comments start from that point. Pre killed or f/t is best for your snake. Nothing good other than the show comes from live feeding. But thats enough discussion. Now you know and maybe everyone can let it be. I know I'm new here but had to comment.

[Gungirl]

So forget about it. Don't preach somebody who doesn't want to be preached at. Please.

Don't expect us to sit back and keep our fingers from typing. This forum is very much about discussing what we see and why we think the way we do. I really hope your snake doesn't get bitten. Thats all we care about.

[redsided]

. I'm 15 and I learn by trial and error.

I'm 15 and would never put my snakes at risk. I don't know about you, but I care if my snakes get hurt.

Trial and error and snakes don't mix. To think like that is stupid. You can't expect people on a snake forum, as passionate about snakes as they are, to just say "whatever. Keep you snakes poorly. Who gives a damn if they die." Why risk vet bills if you can't afford rats?

When you buy a snake you gotta be willing to keep them well, safe, and out of harms way, even if that means spending more money. If you can't house your snakes right, you shouldn't be keeping them. Now, I don't think that you feeding live mice makes you incapable of keeping snakes or that you shouldnt, but when you know that it's not safe, that's differet than doing something wrong without knowing.

Of course they eat live in the wild. They don't have a choice. Does that mean they don't get hurt? Hell no. Garter snakes eat parasite-loaded frogs, fish, and drink toxicated water -- does that mean I'll feed those to my baby garters?HELL. NO.

I do hear where you're coming from, snakes are capable -- theyve been around forever, they are capable.. But guess what? SO HAVE RATS.

You asked about it on Facebook... What do they know? You're gonna rely on a bunch of clueless, know-it-all fools on Facebook? Those losers who have to give their "friends" that their in the bathroom? Those are the guys who insist brown snakes from Maryland are checkered garter snakes. If they told you it was perfectly fine to keep them at 200 degrees, with a basking spot of 400 would you do it?

I don't think you would. You're capable and snake smart.

But you're being stupid.

You're putting your snakes health and possibly life at risk for what -- the fun of the chase? You'll be spending a lot more money at the vet then you would switching foods.

Ive never had problems using two-sided tape to stick my thermometers to the glass. But the day I heard there's a RISK of injury and death, I took them down that day. I still haven't been able to find a good way without gluing them, rendering them almost useless for a month, but I refuse to put tape in my cage if it puts my snakes at risk.

You say "snakes that get bit back are already unhealthy" That's just dumb. Cause it's not true and you know it.

You refer to your age as if that exuses it -- makes you less able.

Doesn't make sense.

[RegenerationRep]

I honestly don't care if I get kicked off the forums anymore.

[Lankyrob]

If you have to resort to swearing and being abusive to people then it proves you have lost your argument, if you want to continue then put forward YOUR argument for feeding live ina clear and concise way without being abusive and people will respond in a similar way.

A forum is all about discussion but as soon as you start being abusive then discussions end and you get banned.

[RegenerationRep]

I'm just so sick of being harassed by you guys. Get over it.

[Lankyrob]

There is a big difference between harassment and discussion, we are putting forward clearly worded factual points as to why live feeding is undesirable and you are not answering our points or putting forward your own reasons for what you have decided to do.

As i said before forums are for discussion, if you post something then others WILL respond to it, some calmly some more assertively but the discussion will happen.

[infernalis]

OK.. wording is everything.

We do in fact have several experienced keepers who feed live, Supervised of course.

Tyler, No one wants to kick you off the forum.. Just be open to mixed opinions.. Not everyone sees the world through the same eyes.

Just a quick story, and I have video to prove it..

I got my adult Pueblan milk several years ago, I picked up several live mice for him to eat and brought him home.

Once I got a nice big cage built, I put one of the mice in there with him.

He pursued the mouse, he coiled around it, and the mouse fought back, my snake suffered some nasty face wounds, and then refused to eat for several months after that.

Long story short, Most experienced keepers who feed live will knock the mouse over the head first, so the mouse is either already dead, or just barely alive.

There is no reason for ANYONE to get hostile over the subject.

So can we please just move forward in a nice orderly fashion.

Banning Tyler will not help him, and since he has expressed a desire to dive into this hobby fully and breed, it's not going to solve anything pushing him away.

[redsided]

Sorry for being harsh dude. Never wanted you off the forum. Just got a little ticked the way you shrugged it off and made accusations. We just wanted you aware of the dangers and to keep your animals safe.:) No hard feelings

[ZARADOZIA]

Sorry for being harsh dude. Never wanted you off the forum. Just got a little ticked the way you shrugged it off and made accusations. We just wanted you aware of the dangers and to keep your animals safe.:) No hard feelings


I Like You!

[ZARADOZIA]

I'm just so sick of being harassed by you guys. Get over it.

I am sorry we made you feel that way. Like Wayne said, we don't want you to leave and I know some opinions were strongly stated; we just want to help you take care of your snakes. We don't mean to upset you; just want you to acknowledge the possibilities of danger and prepare for them. That's all.

Our intentions are not to be mean to you or bully you, but help you be a better, safer, more knowledgable handler and future breeder. :crazy:

I have always found it safer to learn from other's mistakes if possible rather than make them myself because it is less costly or painful. And sadly, I didn't figure that out until I was an adult. :confused:

[RegenerationRep]

I should apologize too, I shouldn't have acted like that. I do know the dangers of feeding live, and I honestly don't usually do it. Normally I put all the mice in a snake bag and wack em lol

[redsided]

I still haven't seen the video.=/

[ZARADOZIA]

I should apologize too, I shouldn't have acted like that.
Thank you for apologizing, I know everyone appreciates it. I think that is one of the hardest things to do and it shows great maturity.


I do know the dangers of feeding live, and I honestly don't usually do it. Normally I put all the mice in a snake bag and wack em lol
That's the way to do it! Silly, should have told us that to begin with! :freakedout:

[RegenerationRep]

Yupp haha I've learned my lesson, no more videos of live mice getting eat haha