What would YOU pair with a Lipstick Sunglow?

[KrazyKat]

Hello everyone!
I would just like to get your opinions here. My husband and I plan on starting a breeding project in the future with our male Lipstick Sunglow. His parents are direct lipstick line sunglows from Tom Burke, so he is a possible Super - of course, only breeding will prove that out.
I have been offered a couple nice Arabesque females recently, from a source that I trust implicitly. I know that Arabesque is co-dominant, and that Arabesque x Normal will produce 50% Arabesques, 50% Normals. Arabesque Het. Albino x Sunglow would produce:
12.5% Arabesque Sunglow
12.5% Arabesque Albino
12.5% Hypo. Arabesque Het Albino
12.5% Arabesque Het. Albino
12.5 % Sunglow
12.5 % Albino
12.5 % DH Sunglow
12.5% Het. Albino
CHAD HORNE REPTILES: Specializing In Boa Morphs & Tortoises (http://www.freewebs.com/chadhornereptiles/boagenetics.htm)

The trouble is, the Arabesque females I have been offered have unknown hets, so here are the other possibilities:
If my sunglow is Not super hypo:Sunglow x Arabesque =

25% Normal, het albino
25% Hypo, het albino
25% arabesque, het albino
25% hypo arabesque het albino

If my sunglow IS super hypo:

50% Hypo, het albino
50% Hypo Arabesque, het albino..

Sunglow Arabesques are gorgeous boas - but I am unsure of how soon we could expect to produce those, and whether YOU would aim for that as a breeding project...or would you pair my boy with a different morph? I am very open to suggestions!

I am not new to boa husbandry, just genetics and breeding. I would greatly appreciate your opinions! We are in no rush to breed at all, just in the market for a nice female for future pairing with our beautiful boy.

Thank you for any and all of your input! :)

~Kat~

[Will0W783]

Arabesques are normally pretty expensive, so if you can get a few nice arabesque females for a reasonable price, it wouldn't be a bad way to go. If it's a good price, go for it. I myself am a huge fan of moonglows. You could get yourself a nice triple het moonglow male (hypo het albino het anery). With that you could make sunglows, sunglow het anery, hypo het anery, triple het moonglow, albino het anery, and I'm not sure the exact %.

[KrazyKat]

Arabesques are normally pretty expensive, so if you can get a few nice arabesque females for a reasonable price, it wouldn't be a bad way to go. If it's a good price, go for it. I myself am a huge fan of moonglows. You could get yourself a nice triple het moonglow male (hypo het albino het anery). With that you could make sunglows, sunglow het anery, hypo het anery, triple het moonglow, albino het anery, and I'm not sure the exact %.

Oh wow, that sounds like a very worthwhile pairing! Thank you, I hadn't considered moonglows. I do actually know a good breeder who prodices them as a matter of fact.. :)
I may yet go for the Arabesques, but still shopping around - so we'll see. I actually would like to know what you think of these 3 females we are also considering. The first is a Hypo Jungle, the 2nd is a Hypo Jungle 66% het Albino, and the 3rd and 4th are Hypo Super Jungles 50% het Albino:
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/katgirl17/HypoJungle.jpg
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/katgirl17/HypoJungle66Albino.jpg
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/katgirl17/HypoSuperJungle50Albino2.jpg
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/katgirl17/HypoSuperJungle50Albino.jpg

[Kayla90]

In order of which I like the most:
First, Forth, Third and Second..

If you have babbbbbies I want one :D :D :D heheheh
I love babies :D

[stephanbakir]

Stunning snakes. Regarding breeding its up to you, you need to like what you produce.

[Aaron_S]

Stephan gave great advice for producing what you like most.

I'll only add that when you're playing with recessive genes like the albino I believe in paying the extra dollars to ensure either a 100% het or an actual albino mutation. I don't like playing with possible hets, especially now that getting a 100% hets isn't bank breaking and they are pretty readily available.

[Freebody]

they guy i got my coral albino from, had a coral albino arabasque. Henry Piorun Reptiles-Canadian Reptile Breeder (http://www.a1pythons.com/) it looked amazing, i was this close to coming home it, i think it was a female, but i could be wrong.

[KrazyKat]

In order of which I like the most:
First, Forth, Third and Second..

If you have babbbbbies I want one :D :D :D heheheh
I love babies :D

WOW! Believe it or not, that is EXACTLY the order of my favourites!! Great taste ;) haha

[KrazyKat]

Stunning snakes. Regarding breeding its up to you, you need to like what you produce.

Thanks Stephan, that's a very good point! As much as I might like the look of a certain female, I have to focus on the genetics because for a breeding project, that is what matters most, of course.

Stephan gave great advice for producing what you like most.

I'll only add that when you're playing with recessive genes like the albino I believe in paying the extra dollars to ensure either a 100% het or an actual albino mutation. I don't like playing with possible hets, especially now that getting a 100% hets isn't bank breaking and they are pretty readily available.

Thank you Aaron, that is great advice! :) I will definitely look around for boas with 100% hets. I'm in no rush, so I don't mind waiting even until next breeding season to find "the one".

they guy i got my coral albino from, had a coral albino arabasque. Henry Piorun Reptiles-Canadian Reptile Breeder (http://www.a1pythons.com/) it looked amazing, i was this close to coming home it, i think it was a female, but i could be wrong.

Thanks a bunch! :) Sadly, the coral albino arabasque is a male :( Otherwise...*sigh* lol However, he does have a few I would consider: an arabesque 100% het albino, and two 100% het coral albinos...there's those 100%s!

Thanks guys, I really appreciate the imput and advice! :)

[stephanbakir]

Keep in mind that yours is sadly a male, and you need females to be full grown when it comes time to breeding, so unless you intend to buy a 2009-2010 female once you've decided (going to be expensive), or wait a few more years to get the breeding under way, it might be better to buy a female for now, and buy "the one" once you find her. :)

[KrazyKat]

Keep in mind that yours is sadly a male, and you need females to be full grown when it comes time to breeding, so unless you intend to buy a 2009-2010 female once you've decided (going to be expensive), or wait a few more years to get the breeding under way, it might be better to buy a female for now, and buy "the one" once you find her. :)

That's very good reasoning, and I actually was just thinking the same thing last night after logging off! :) You know what though? That 1st female was born August 2010 (older pic there), and the others July of this year - so yet another reason I am leaning towards her. Pairing her with Seidon, if he is not a super would result in:

1/8 Wildtype het. Kahl Albino
1/8 Jungle het. Kahl Albino
2/8 Salmon(Hypo) het. Kahl Albino
2/8 Jungle Salmon(Hypo) het. Kahl Albino
1/8 Super Salmon(Hypo) het. Kahl Albino
1/8 Jungle Super Salmon(Hypo) het. Kahl Albino

I DO love salmons, so having a good bunch of them would not be a terrible thing, especially with a couple supers and jungles in the mix. I don't know, I could just get an albino from the same breeder, for half the $$, same age, and get 1/2 albino, 1/2 sunglow...or an albino jungle for just a little less than the hypo jungle and get 1/4 albino, 1/4 albino jungle, 1/4 sunglow and 1/4 sunglow jungle...ahh the decisions lol.

[Kayla90]

WOW! Believe it or not, that is EXACTLY the order of my favourites!! Great taste ;) haha

Bahaha like I said, Great minds do think alike! :yes:
We'll definitely get along great in person hehe Can't wait to meet you

[stephanbakir]

That's very good reasoning, and I actually was just thinking the same thing last night after logging off! :) You know what though? That 1st female was born August 2010 (older pic there), and the others July of this year - so yet another reason I am leaning towards her. Pairing her with Seidon, if he is not a super would result in:

1/8 Wildtype het. Kahl Albino
1/8 Jungle het. Kahl Albino
2/8 Salmon(Hypo) het. Kahl Albino
2/8 Jungle Salmon(Hypo) het. Kahl Albino
1/8 Super Salmon(Hypo) het. Kahl Albino
1/8 Jungle Super Salmon(Hypo) het. Kahl Albino

I DO love salmons, so having a good bunch of them would not be a terrible thing, especially with a couple supers and jungles in the mix. I don't know, I could just get an albino from the same breeder, for half the $$, same age, and get 1/2 albino, 1/2 sunglow...or an albino jungle for just a little less than the hypo jungle and get 1/4 albino, 1/4 albino jungle, 1/4 sunglow and 1/4 sunglow jungle...ahh the decisions lol.
If you flip a coin and it lands on the snake you didn't prefer, chances are you are going to say something along the lines of "Damn those odds, I'm going with snake X anyway".

[KrazyKat]

If you flip a coin and it lands on the snake you didn't prefer, chances are you are going to say something along the lines of "Damn those odds, I'm going with snake X anyway".

Lol that's exactly what happened! :p i tried it while I was chatting with Kayla earlier. Check it out: Hypo Jungle | The Urban Boa (http://www.theurbanboa.com/sale/hypo-jungle) :D

[stephanbakir]

Woo, grats Kat.

[KrazyKat]

Woo, grats Kat.

Thanks! Can't wait to get her! :D I'll post pics as soon as she's all settled in.

[stephanbakir]

You gota see my new snakes, and the monitor! Any news on that corn you were thinking of selling?

[KrazyKat]

You gota see my new snakes, and the monitor! Any news on that corn you were thinking of selling?

I really do have to see them!! And no news - but I haven't even put him up for sale yet, so that explains why :p I'll just put him on kijiji I think. I was hoping to get updated pics though, and since just got my camera last night and he ate last night..well that's my excuse for slacking lol

[stephanbakir]

Rofl, Kayla is pissed at me, I got her snake to eat out of my hands, before she did. Cute lil piggy, eating 2-3 fish every other day.

[KrazyKat]

Rofl, Kayla is pissed at me, I got her snake to eat out of my hands, before she did. Cute lil piggy, eating 2-3 fish every other day.

2/3 every other day?? Man, You'll beat the record size for Northern Water snake just like u did with Kirana soon enough! :P

[Freebody]

Grats!! your going to produce some fine looking snakes! i cant wait to see some babies.

[stephanbakir]

As long as it doesn't get fat I won't limit its food intake till the first year.

[KrazyKat]

Grats!! your going to produce some fine looking snakes! i cant wait to see some babies.

Thanks Freebody!! :) And I can't wait to share the pics with you guys...*sigh* it's going to feel like a very long wait lol

[Freebody]

hehe i know the feeling, i have many babies growing for the same reason :P did you get to see my new boy i got for my coral albino a couple weeks back? have not noticed you post anything in a few weeks, or maybe i have not had much time to read more of the daily threads, either way lol, oh and when you get it home i want to see more pics plz.

[KrazyKat]

hehe i know the feeling, i have many babies growing for the same reason :P did you get to see my new boy i got for my coral albino a couple weeks back? have not noticed you post anything in a few weeks, or maybe i have not had much time to read more of the daily threads, either way lol, oh and when you get it home i want to see more pics plz.

NO, I didn't see him!! Can you paste a link to that thread plz?! :) I bet he's GORGEOUS! You are absolutely right, I have not been posting, let alone checking the forums for weeks - it's been a crazy month for me. But I should be more of a regular now, I can always squeeze in some forum time while I'm slacking off at work :P BTW - have you produced any litters before, or will these growing babies be your first?!? :)

[Freebody]

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/boa-constrictor/87719-new-bloody-salmon-66-pssible-het-plasma.html no not yet, next year i will breed my bredle with my coastal jag. or at least try, they are proven breeders i got last year. Im sure i feel the same way you are feeling, so close, yet so far.

[KrazyKat]

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/boa-constrictor/87719-new-bloody-salmon-66-pssible-het-plasma.html no not yet, next year i will breed my bredle with my coastal jag. or at least try, they are proven breeders i got last year. Im sure i feel the same way you are feeling, so close, yet so far.

That's really awesome, I am SO jealous you got one of Shane's Bloody Salmon's, it was definitely on my "Most Wanted" list :P Gorgeous morph. I am definitely going to invest in one later, probably a male to pair with my salmon jungle, and better yet, to pair with a holdback from my first litter from my lipstick sunglow (pos.Super lipstick sunglow) male and my Salmon Jungle female..I can only imagine..uh-oh, I am making the waiting feel MUCH longer! lol Must...distract...myself :P

[stephanbakir]

How are you still up at 4:40 :P
You should swing down to Gatineau and hang with Kayla and I :P Shes sweating and soaked the bed so we can't sleep.

[Kayla90]

As long as it doesn't get fat I won't limit its food intake till the first year.

-.- You won't limit it's food intake... Excuse me, but Little Foot is indeed MY snake :mad:
I believe how much he is fed is up to me.. If you want to take him as your own then you can start cleaning his water and cleaning up his poop!

[stephanbakir]

Was mine, somehow you adopted him.

[Freebody]

i would like to get a jungle one day, some times their funky patterns they get, make some of the best looking boas i have ever seen, its definitly a cool morph, that is for sure. jungle lipstick sunglow< woot woot!

[Kayla90]

Was mine, somehow you adopted him.

Waaaas not!! He was mine the moment we got him.. I was the one he bit, he chose me.. I carried him for 2 hours straight! AND he musked on me not you :P therefore he is MINE. :yes: Bahahaha cause you suck!

[Aaron_S]

How about we keep simple banter not pertaining to thread topic to instant messenger :)

Just so I stay on topic. Sweet new female Kat. Hope she does well for you!

[KrazyKat]

i would like to get a jungle one day, some times their funky patterns they get, make some of the best looking boas i have ever seen, its definitly a cool morph, that is for sure. jungle lipstick sunglow< woot woot!

I agree! I've seen some wicked looking jungle morphs too, and I hope one day I will produce some fine specimens myself :) Producing a Jungle lipstick sunglow one day would be awesome!!

How about we keep simple banter not pertaining to thread topic to instant messenger :)

Just so I stay on topic. Sweet new female Kat. Hope she does well for you!

Thank you very much Aaron! :) I will keep you all posted. I am still in the market for a nice 100% het albino, so I will keep looking - just couldn't pass her up for some reason :P Well, one can never have TOO many snakes, right?...:crazy: