is my female bp gravid yet?

[rubenj2]

ive been cycling my 5ft female bp with my normal and my yellow belly they lock up like crazy how long after they breed can i tell if shes gravid?and what are the signs before she starts ovulating?:confused:

[stephanbakir]

Why would you breed your bp with a normal and a yellowbelly if shes locking with the yellowbelly? The ovulation is the main thing, you can also ultrasound, other then that idk.

[rubenj2]

well i didnt mean for it to happen that way i had both of them in the viv with my female and the normal was the first one to lock with her

[stephanbakir]

The easiest way to avoid it is to not put the male you don't intend on breeding with the female.

[rubenj2]

about how long after they start breeding does it take for her to ovulate? do i try to feed her or what do i do next? this is my first time breeding

[stephanbakir]

Some females will continue to eat SMALL meals while prego, most will refuse.
Markus Jayne, Ball pythons | ballpython.ca (http://www.ballpython.ca/gallery/breeding.html)

[Lankyrob]

Maybe reading some books about breeding before actually letting them breed would have been a good idea? Having two males and one female housed together is asking for trouble as the males could fight for the right to breed.

[rubenj2]

im not in here to be criticized im here because im seeking answeres i joined the forum because i thought it would be helpful

[rubenj2]

thank you stephanbakir your shared knowledge is much appreciated.

[Aaron_S]

Wait, what? You came to a forum for advice but not to be criticized because you don't know what you're doing at all? Potentially risking your snakes health just so you can breed your snakes. I think Rob was right in suggesting that you did some research before you randomly put your animals together and then come here looking for answers!

When you put your own desires ahead of the health of your animals I will criticize you! You obviously don't know the first thing about this so when you decide to actually be a good keeper, come back and talk.

[Dehlida]

Not only are you housing 2 males together which is a big no-no, but you are also housing them both with a female year round. You may not like to be critisized but when you are risking the animals saftey and health that is exactly what you are going to get. Ruben, I could care less about your feelings or your pride, I'm not here to babysit you and tell you everything will be ok. I care about the welfare of your animals- all of which you are keeping entirely wrong.

Fix your husbandry before you breed anything, read some forums and gain some knowledge. Anyone keeping ball pythons like you certainly doesn't deserve to be breeding.

[Uncle_Rev]

about how long after they start breeding does it take for her to ovulate? do i try to feed her or what do i do next? this is my first time breeding

These guys (and gals) are right. Breeding with absolutely no experience, little knowledge, and far less accommodations to properly maintain the potential results is a disaster in the making of balls out proportions.

I know having your chops busted sucks, but these aren't Pokemon cards or the like to just toss in a shoe box when you lose the fancy for it.

Quite a few of these posters are offering you solid advice, take it.

[NennaMeerkat]

Fix your husbandry before you breed anything, read some forums and gain some knowledge. Anyone keeping ball pythons like you certainly doesn't deserve to be breeding.

Totally this ^^^^^^^^

Not to beat a dead horse though...still it is something I don't think can be stressed enough!

[rubenj2]

if i was asking about all that i would have asked about all that but i wasnt maybe you all should jump off from your high horses and give somebody a lil help instead of trying to bring somebody down. My feelings aren't being hurt at all i was just hoping to get some advise instead i just found out how little bit you all actually know the only thing you all seem to know is that you cant house more than 1 male togther with a female once again thank you stephanbakir who is obviously the only knowledgeable and helpful individual in this forum. I may not know much but we all have to start somewhere im sure not one of you people were born a breeder or born with a ball python in your hand thank you all for your time.

[Dehlida]

I'll make it simple:

1. Rehome 2 of the snakes, the female to someone experienced in keeping/breeding them- so they can actually take care of the eggs and hatchlings.
2. Fix your entire setup to be proper for ball python husbandry.
3. Read your eyes red on things on the internet.
4. Stop crying because I'm blunt about you doing everything wrong.
5. Enjoy the hobby properly and responsibly.

[Uncle_Rev]

if i was asking about all that i would have asked about all that but i wasnt maybe you all should jump off from your high horses and give somebody a lil help instead of trying to bring somebody down. My feelings aren't being hurt at all i was just hoping to get some advise instead i just found out how little bit you all actually know the only thing you all seem to know is that you cant house more than 1 male togther with a female once again thank you stephanbakir who is obviously the only knowledgeable and helpful individual in this forum. I may not know much but we all have to start somewhere im sure not one of you people were born a breeder or born with a ball python in your hand thank you all for your time.

Start by reading, videos, discussion, more videos, more reading, more discussion, talking with your local herp or four. Man I am learning something new every single day and it is worth the time it takes.

Without being on a high horse I will tell you; look back at YOUR postings; read what YOU wrote. YOU housed the snakes together, YOU let them lock, then YOU let a different pairing lock up. Then you posted this information and did not expect people to be grumpy about it?

I am new to this hobby as obviously you are too, but please remember, these are more than just throw away toys. Do your research, it will pay off in spades, I promise.

[stephanbakir]

Start by reading, videos, discussion, more videos, more reading, more discussion, talking with your local herp or four. Man I am learning something new every single day and it is worth the time it takes.

Without being on a high horse I will tell you; look back at YOUR postings; read what YOU wrote. YOU housed the snakes together, YOU let them lock, then YOU let a different pairing lock up. Then you posted this information and did not expect people to be grumpy about it?

I am new to this hobby as obviously you are too, but please remember, these are more than just throw away toys. Do your research, it will pay off in spades, I promise.
Well said.

[mykee]

"about how long after they start breeding does it take for her to ovulate"
Kept in substandard conditions; never.

[rubenj2]

1. how about you rehome two of your ball pythons. 2.suck a big one! 3. go to hell 4.And burn

and my snakes are in better conditions than most of yours

[stephanbakir]

Most of these guys that commented negatively, were correct in their statements.
Take it on the chin and learn for next time.

[stephanbakir]

and my snakes are in better conditions than most of yours

How can you know your animals are in better condition if you don't know how to take care of your own? yes, he was blunt, but try and take the best out of what everyone said instead of focusing on the bad.

[NennaMeerkat]

Stephan I would say give it up...dude isn't worth your time.

[Lankyrob]

Looks like this is gonna be a guy who wants people to say what he wants to hear or he will just ignore us and/or insult us.

To the OP, If you dont want to keep your animals in ideal conditions then, unfortunately, there is nothing we can do about it. However if you post comments showing poor husbandry and conditiond for your snakes on a snakes lovers forum you ARE going to receive advice and criticism for it.

[Dehlida]

1. how about you rehome two of your ball pythons. 2.suck a big one! 3. go to hell 4.And burn
1. I've sold over 40 this year so far.
2. Engaged, no thanks.
3. Been there, left when I broke up with my ex.
4. Hot as **** here, burning all day.

and my snakes are in better conditions than most of yours

Considering mine breed and reproduce with no problems I highly doubt that. You're asking for help with ball pythons, I don't have to ask for help- as mine are healthy, weigh 1800-2200 grams each, eat amazing, and produce wonderful clutches of eggs for me.

Rehome your snakes if you care about them. NOT your hot headed know it all ego. I'm going to be straight forward- you're coming off as a complete idiot acting the way you are.

Clearly you know it all about snakes, don't ask for our help, keep your snakes, have fun when they die, enjoy shelling out $80 each for new because every decent breeder will laugh in your face.

[infernalis]

1. how about you rehome two of your ball pythons. 2.suck a big one! 3. go to hell 4.And burn


This one.... Bye Bye.

[Swan]

Hey all even if he was in the wrong and acting hastily. Isn't it our responsibility to help others learning the herp world? To harp on the guy repeatedly about it instead of giving advice is so cut throat. Instead of jumping down his throat, wouldn't it have been better to educate him/her on the proper orientation of things, or certain literature he/she could look into. We all make mistakes and you all started at ground zero too. This high and mighty attitude is a major turn off. We all learn as we go. Though I do not condon what he/she did, we could have enriched their mind to make sure his animals where Properly taken care of. Isn't that the purpose of this forum? To share knowledge and experience?

[Lankyrob]

Yes we could have - totally agree but when he reacts by inulting people then you know damn well he isnt gonna listen

[Swan]

People jumped on him about how he F'd up. What response was expected? Instead of saying "hey I have a chance to correct this persons flaws". People just kept beating him down. Now he's in worse shape then when he asked for HELP. Now he is still unaware of what to do and pissed off. We all had a chance to help this person, but instead focused on the negatives. It's wrong man that's all I'm saying.

[NennaMeerkat]

Hey we told him what we could. Told him to stop putting his snakes together, housing them together, ect. We even told him that more than likely his snake wasn't ovulating or whatever. Yeah we were harsh but holding someone's hand and telling them everything is okay isn't always the best way to handle things. Sometimes you gotta be a "big boy" and take the critics. In the long run you would be a better person about it.

Besides I don't think any of us were overly harsh in the beginning. Heck I myself have gotten worse when I first got on here...if you can outlast the initial kinks and find your place in here it is all worth it and better. Being harsh and throwing out insults like this guy did isn't gonna get you anywhere. Acknowledging your mistakes, making an effort to correct them, and continue to strive to do what is best...that is the way to do it.

[Dehlida]

I gave him advice. I told him to rehome 2 of the snakes, including the female to someone who could handle it. That IS the BEST advice anyone could have given him.

He chose to ignore it and get hostile over the fact he sucks at keeping a simple species of snake. I hope it all goes to hell, and he learns his lesson.

[Uncle_Rev]

Truthfully, I thought he was treated pretty good all things considered. This community has been so nice and welcoming I would be hard pressed to believe he was treated harshly.

Especially considering he was hard and fast trying to breed his snakes by just tossing three in a tank and expecting a pregnancy (he did post two other threads regarding the breeding of his snakes.)

[Aaron_S]

...We all make mistakes and you all started at ground zero too. ...

A lot of people like to use this one phrase when someone feels someone was mistreated. I agree that we all did start somewhere, we were all "noobs" at one time but most of us didn't jump into the deep end from the get go or not take advice when given. I didn't randomly throw three snakes into an enclosure and then ask others to spoon feed me the information I needed to know before doing so!

[NennaMeerkat]

Could not have said it any better Aaron. You always got just the right way of putting things sometimes.

[bigsnakegirl785]

I may be new to snake owning and never bred any, but I would never consider putting two males together let alone two males and a female. Even I realize that's a bad idea. I think he should do some research and get a good set-up and then try again when he's ready to be responsible.

[infernalis]

I have reversed bans before, all it takes is an apology........

However we did begin enforcing a zero tolerance for name calling after a certain member made it a point to insult nearly everyone here.

I belong to a LOT of forums, and I can honestly say our community is one of the exceptionally rare ones that has virtually no flaming or fighting.

In the real world people who disrupt communities are arrested for disorderly conduct, I can't do that here, so offenders are banned immediately.

[NennaMeerkat]

That is why so many new people are coming around lately. Because of your 0 tolerance for rather rude individuals and what not newcomers to the snake owning world generally feel comfortable coming here to look for help or comrades. I know I did in the beginning and everyone here has helped me out more than once! Not to mention its just awesome to chat around with the people I know and generally be a bit silly about things.

[Swan]

Whatever, I didn't know the guy. Forget it, y'all respond how you want. Getting somebody pissed off is never better in the long run! Wasn't saying to spoon feed anybody info, just to help a person who was way over their head. So that maybe he didn't kill his snakes due to owner negligence. **** benefiting him, we all love snakes and had a chance to save them. One person makes a negative comment and all the rest dive into the fun. It's a joke, step back and think about what your doing. Would it really have been that hard to calmly explain the steps he should/shouldn't take? Why's it gotta be so cut throat?

[Dehlida]

Whatever, I didn't know the guy. Forget it, y'all respond how you want. Getting somebody pissed off is never better in the long run! Wasn't saying to spoon feed anybody info, just to help a person who was way over their head. So that maybe he didn't kill his snakes due to owner negligence. **** benefiting him, we all love snakes and had a chance to save them. One person makes a negative comment and all the rest dive into the fun. It's a joke, step back and think about what your doing. Would it really have been that hard to calmly explain the steps he should/shouldn't take? Why's it gotta be so cut throat?
We did explain the steps- the first of which is rehoming 2 of the snakes. He didn't like these steps, and got very defensive over it. It's not like you can just select which parts of proper husbandry you want and disregard the rest, or you aren't helping the snakes.

He put his ego ad pride ahead of his animals, and now they both pay for it. It's no better than us telling him to add water to the enclosure, and him yelling "NO I DONT LIKE WATER". Then getting mad when we tell him he's going to kill his animals.

[NennaMeerkat]

Why's it gotta be so cut throat?

Was it cut throat? Harsh words were spoken in the beginning BUT no one did personal insults and such until after the individual decided to get hostile and didn't want to listen to us. Obviously the truth hurt a bit to much.

And if he had his setups and such where they needed to be and we simply misunderstood him then there were ways of explaining himself better! But in the end he "swung" first by using profanity. We might have been "rough" but he was outright rude.

[ladyjustice33]

I have to agree with the majority here....if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen as my Grandma always says, lol! I've always loved snakes, all animals actually, and have been relocating wild snakes out of my yard for years. However, before I decided to actually purchase a snake for myself and my daughter, I researched different types of snakes for a while before I actually purchased them. At 12, I felt a corn was good for my daughter and felt I could handle a smaller boa and went with the columbian rainbow that I just fell in love with. I have been on this internet constantly researching everything I can to make sure I give these guys the best possible life I can provide for them, after all, they didn't ask to live with me. I've asked questions on here that tell you that I'm a newbie, lol, but I've also researched these questions online, I ask so I can get advice from actual snake owners in a more "live help" type setting. Critisism is constructive......if I am doing something wrong that could be harmful to my snakes, for god sake tell me. I could care less about my feelings or ego, the most important thing is the health and happiness of the animal.

[SnakeyJay]

I have to agree with the majority here....if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen as my Grandma always says, lol! I've always loved snakes, all animals actually, and have been relocating wild snakes out of my yard for years. However, before I decided to actually purchase a snake for myself and my daughter, I researched different types of snakes for a while before I actually purchased them. At 12, I felt a corn was good for my daughter and felt I could handle a smaller boa and went with the columbian rainbow that I just fell in love with. I have been on this internet constantly researching everything I can to make sure I give these guys the best possible life I can provide for them, after all, they didn't ask to live with me. I've asked questions on here that tell you that I'm a newbie, lol, but I've also researched these questions online, I ask so I can get advice from actual snake owners in a more "live help" type setting. Critisism is constructive......if I am doing something wrong that could be harmful to my snakes, for god sake tell me. I could care less about my feelings or ego, the most important thing is the health and happiness of the animal.

Spot on !!!