Feeding Time for Sage

[youngster]

I just received my shipment of pinkies and I'm going to feed my baby corn snake Sage once one of them thaws. I'll make sure to get pics of his first feeding and I'll post them on this thread. Anyways I have a question. How and for how long do you thaw your feeders, specifically pinkies. Also, today I found out I have $160 dollars saved up. So hopefully I can make enough money by October so that I can get a Spider BP.

[Jay]

For a pinky, don't use hot water as it will cause them to explode. Luke warm water for 5 - 10 minutes should do the job.

[Gungirl]

As Stated above.. a few minutes in warm water is enough. I normally run the head under hot tap water for a second after its all thawed out so that my little guy wants it more.

Good luck on the BP purchase in October!

[vendettaseve]

Dont buy a Spider BP, Im fairly disgusted with most of the major breeders who create those things.

Is the small amount of money really worth intentionally creating an animal that will be tortured with genetic problems for the entirety of its life? disgraceful.

[Jay]

How is it any different then a mixed breed of dog?

[vendettaseve]

How is it any different then a mixed breed of dog?

Mixed Dogs dont get the Wobbles so bad they cant eat or walk in a semi straight line.

Its a problem specific to the Spider morph, I have no problems with other morphs of BP provided they dont have problems like this.

[youngster]

Feeding pictures! He didn't coil around it he just bit and worked it into his mouth. A snake eating has to be the most bizarre thing I've ever seen. Very fascinating!

[youngster]

I'm not familiar with the Spider morph I just like how it looks. What's wrong with how they breed it?

[vendettaseve]

I'm not familiar with the Spider morph I just like how it looks. What's wrong with how they breed it?

To get the Spider morph they have to break the genetics of the animal in a certain way that also causes it to have a neurological condition known as the Wobbles. Makes their heads shake back and forth constantly in bad cases. Also causes them to roll over and become unable to right themselves at times as well as stargazing.

This doesnt bother some people, but I cant justify it.

[stephanbakir]

To get the Spider morph they have to break the genetics of the animal in a certain way that also causes it to have a neurological condition known as the Wobbles. Makes their heads shake back and forth constantly in bad cases. Also causes them to roll over and become unable to right themselves at times as well as stargazing.

This doesnt bother some people, but I cant justify it.
MOST spiders don't head wobble, some do. Its not specific to the spider, some other morphs also carry this.uStCAKMbnqQ&feature=player_embedded
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[vendettaseve]

MOST spiders don't head wobble, some do. Its not specific to the spider, some other morphs also carry this.uStCAKMbnqQ&feature=player_embedded
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Iv heard 99% of Spider Balls start showing signs of. At some point if not right away.

[stephanbakir]

My buddy had 6 of them, and only 1 female had a wobble, all of the females were related, the males were unrelated.

[shaunyboy]

Dont buy a Spider BP, Im fairly disgusted with most of the major breeders who create those things.

Is the small amount of money really worth intentionally creating an animal that will be tortured with genetic problems for the entirety of its life? disgraceful.

to be fair,the young man only asked how to properly thaw a pinkie.....

not get told its disgracefull to buy his next planned snake.

i'm not having a go,only suggesting imo a less agressive and more imformative approach may have been better,taking the members age into account (not trying to be cheeky )

i could explain about the neuro issue's in some jaguar pythons but if i remember correctly ALL spiders suffer from issues.where as only a few jags bred suffer any neuro's,so its not quite the same.

re thawing prey
i preffer to do it the same way as i thaw my own food,leave covered with paper towels on a tray overnight at room temperature.

imo less time required for a pinkie,it being so small it will defrost in 3 or 4 hours at room temperature

cheers shaun

[vendettaseve]

to be fair,the young man only asked how to properly thaw a pinkie.....

not get told its disgracefull to buy his next planned snake.

i'm not having a go,only suggesting imo a less agressive and more imformative approach may have been better,taking the members age into account (not trying to be cheeky )

i could explain about the neuro issue's in some jaguar pythons but if i remember correctly ALL spiders suffer from issues.where as only a few jags bred suffer any neuro's,so its not quite the same.

re thawing prey
i preffer to do it the same way as i thaw my own food,leave covered with paper towels on a tray overnight at room temperature.

imo less time required for a pinkie,it being so small it will defrost in 3 or 4 hours at room temperature

cheers shaun


Lol ya I diddent mean to derail the original topic, and I wasnt suggesting he was disgraceful, I was referring to people who breed them.

And the guy who posted above me already covered the pinky thing :)

[forza_inter]

To get the Spider morph they have to break the genetics of the animal in a certain way that also causes it to have a neurological condition known as the Wobbles. Makes their heads shake back and forth constantly in bad cases. Also causes them to roll over and become unable to right themselves at times as well as stargazing.

This doesnt bother some people, but I cant justify it.


serious?? i didnt know that....who in their right mind would even take a chance doing something like that?? thats just cruel

[marionsclan]

serious?? i didnt know that....who in their right mind would even take a chance doing something like that?? thats just cruel

That is being done every day to most animals/reptiles in captivity. There is always someone who wants a species that is more special looking than any one else has and that is who the breeders cater to.

Soon they will figure out how to remove the wobble, but I'm sure something else will replace it, but most likely something not as obvious so they can charge more money for it.

And as long as we are buying snakes other than normals we contribute to the demand and therefore continue the cruelty.

[youngster]

Stephan what are the other morphs/species that have this?

[SnakeyJay]

That is being done every day to most animals/reptiles in captivity. There is always someone who wants a species that is more special looking than any one else has and that is who the breeders cater to.

Soon they will figure out how to remove the wobble, but I'm sure something else will replace it, but most likely something not as obvious so they can charge more money for it.

And as long as we are buying snakes other than normals we contribute to the demand and therefore continue the cruelty.

Not digging here.... I personally dont have any problems with morphs, but if this is your oppinion why do you have a het pied?
And does anyone know of any issues with sharp albino that may happen?

[Coffee Black]

Go with Shaun's method. Pinkies thaw fairly quickly. Within an hour or two usually, depending on room temps. Anything up to small rats thaw fairly quickly, I've found. I got home at 7:30 in the evening last night and took out a rat pup for my coastal. Fed her at 10:00 after dunking the rat in some warm water to make it warm to the touch and just to give her added moisture. The water wasn't necessary, I just do it to make sure she senses the heat and for some added water. I never see her drinking from her bowl.

[youngster]

Go with Shaun's method. Pinkies thaw fairly quickly. Within an hour or two usually, depending on room temps. Anything up to small rats thaw fairly quickly, I've found. I got home at 7:30 in the evening last night and took out a rat pup for my coastal. Fed her at 10:00 after dunking the rat in some warm water to make it warm to the touch and just to give her added moisture. The water wasn't necessary, I just do it to make sure she senses the heat and for some added water. I never see her drinking from her bowl.

But with a cornsnake they can't detect the heat correct? So if it gets a little cool it's not much of a problem I think.

[Marica]

I have never in all my years had a pinky explode while thawing in hot tap water. I could possibly see an issue using kettle boiled water though :D Lovely motley corn by the way and thanks for sharing feeding pics. While corns don't have heat sensory pits, I suspect warm prey gives off more of a scent than cold, though some snakes may not care either way. And, he may yet coil one of his meals, he may never, but as long as he's eating all is well :)

[youngster]

Lovely motley corn by the way and thanks for sharing feeding pics

Thank you! And its my pleasure to share the pictures :D

[Ch^4]

Stephan what are the other morphs/species that have this?

If I am correct, you are asking what other BP morph displays a "wobble?" The Woma BP morph also can exhibit a "wobble." And ALL Spider BPs have the "wobble." The untrained eye may not see it, but experienced breeders (i.e., Mykee, Julian, Aaron, etc.) can easily pick it out. I don't work with this morph but admire their beauty and the combos they create.

But with a cornsnake they can't detect the heat correct? So if it gets a little cool it's not much of a problem I think.

Correct! Corn snakes will take food at room temp. They are visual, vibratory, and olfactory hunters.

[youngster]

Thanks errybody. If I get a normal I won't have to make very much money so it's all good

[Ch^4]

By the way, GREAT looking little corn snake! My normal BP is my oldest and (shhh, don't tell the others) most cherished snake. He's been through a lot with me and I wouldn't trade him for any morph.

[marionsclan]

Not digging here.... I personally dont have any problems with morphs, but if this is your oppinion why do you have a het pied?

When I first purchased my BP I thought Het Pied was just the name of the breed and I was not aware of all the morphing going on, but as I learned more about them I felt that even though some of them are extremely beautiful (ie. Blue-eyed amelanistic BP, or a true Pied) that I will probably not buy one like that from a breeder but rather from a private person who wants to get rid of it. For the same reason I get all my other animals from shelters or private individuals and will continue to do so until there is a dramatic reduction in surrendered animals.

Ideally, I would like to see every breeder (of anything) get a license with a certain amount of animals they are allowed to breed which is renewable every year and the amount will change based on the population of the local shelters. And private individuals will be fined the amount it would take to 'fix' their animal should it end up breeding. And then they will have to get it fixed. That way supply and demand can be kept at a pretty good balance. Of course, there will always be underground breeders, but I think this idea could make a good dent in the current over population at shelters.

[youngster]

By the way, GREAT looking little corn snake! My normal BP is my oldest and (shhh, don't tell the others) most cherished snake. He's been through a lot with me and I wouldn't trade him for any morph.

Yeah, :) it took me awhile to find the perfect one.