Overdue update

[derekcm87]

Havent been on forums much lately but I got some free time so I figured I would post a couple pictures..

http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv61/derekcm13/Tiny%202011/tiny.jpg

With a friend
http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv61/derekcm13/Tiny%202011/243.jpg
http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv61/derekcm13/Tiny%202011/tiny8.jpg

headshots:
http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv61/derekcm13/Tiny%202011/IMG_4879.jpg
http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv61/derekcm13/Tiny%202011/IMG_4880.jpg
http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv61/derekcm13/Tiny%202011/IMG_4906.jpg
http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv61/derekcm13/Tiny%202011/IMG_4900.jpg
http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv61/derekcm13/Tiny%202011/IMG_4899.jpg

Thanks for looking

[NennaMeerkat]

The 2nd picture really shows the boldness of the colors between the white and the darker pattern. What kind of snake is it exactly?

[stephanbakir]

That tiger is coming along nicely! Great colours and I love the white stripe under his neck.

It's a tiger morph of a reticulated python.

[NennaMeerkat]

Thank you :) My only guess was a yellow anaconda and I knew that couldn't be it...

[stephanbakir]

If you're interested you can get a tiger or a super tiger for pretty cheap in Super Dwarf. Max 9-10 feet female and 6-8 feet male.

[derekcm87]

She is actually a 50% Jampea Dwarf tiger retic. Thanks for the kind words
Definately not a yellow anaconda :)

[stephanbakir]

Thats a bit big for a 50% lol, looks like a young one too, hasn't started girthing up yet. How old?
Its about 9-11 feet right?

[NennaMeerkat]

If you're interested you can get a tiger or a super tiger for pretty cheap in Super Dwarf. Max 9-10 feet female and 6-8 feet male.

WAY to big for my house with different small animals around. Maybe if I didn't have other pets I would consider it. But they are gorgeous to be sure.

[derekcm87]

Thats a bit big for a 50% lol, looks like a young one too, hasn't started girthing up yet. How old?
Its about 9-11 feet right?

I would say shes about 8-10 feet. a little over two years old. And I wouldnt say big for a 50% Jamp 50% mainland. Ive seen a 100% Jamp that is 17+ feet in person. I expect her on a moderate feeding schedule to get about 12-14 feet? Basing that off of the fact that a jamp female will get about 10 feet and she does have some mainland blood in her.

[stephanbakir]

based on her current size that might be a little low, she has barely started bulking up. Great looking animal though :)
Do you know what the other 50% is? Friend got his hands on a 50/50 jamp and the other half happened to be sula lol.

[derekcm87]

Her mother was a jamp and father was a platinum tiger.

[stephanbakir]

Nice :) you def got a stunner :)

[derekcm87]

Retics technically should not be bulky animals. You see alot of thick retics in captivity because people are obsessed with growing their snakes and making them obese so people get the idea that retics should look like alot of them you see pictures of in captivity and thats not true. She is fed a 3-5 lb food item every two weeks and is all muscle not an ounce of fat on her and surely not underfed.

[derekcm87]

Nice :) you def got a stunner :)

Thank you!

[stephanbakir]

Not saying shes underfed, and I hate seeing fat animals. But as they get older they generally become 1.5 times as thick as yours, all lean muscle.

[derekcm87]

Not saying shes underfed, and I hate seeing fat animals. But as they get older they generally become 1.5 times as thick as yours, all lean muscle.

I agree. :)

[stephanbakir]

What I don't understand is why people fatten their animals up in the first place, they get really lazy and its hard to bring them from fat to skinny again. It wont make them grow that much faster, and it shortens their lifespan bringing down their total growth potential.
Case in point (i know its not a retic)http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy195/millcrickman/hugeburmese.jpg

[TeaNinja]

wow..... his son is a PERFECT prey item for his snake O.O
i would never let any children near a snake that size.

[derekcm87]

Yeah I seen this picture before. Disguisting....

[TeaNinja]

LOL, is that a 2nd normal burm next to the albino????
wow lol.

[derekcm87]

it is! I just noticed that too

[stephanbakir]

Both have the same weight issue... How people let their animals get to that point and have the nerve to snap a picture is beyond me.
Hell fluffy was 24 feet long and 300 pounds, that albino is 15-17 feet and probably well over 300lbs

[NennaMeerkat]

I think we have a tendency to overfeed all our pets...and snakes of course are no different. Cats, dogs, rats ect ect We think we are showing "love" to animal by feeding it all the time. What we don't realize is how much it actually hurts. I don't think it is so much as "I want a big snake so I am gonna feed it a lot" all the time. It could be misinformation as well as this complex to feed our animals to death out of love. We get pleasure seeing an animal eating (and though not in a snake's case) enjoy the food we give...thus making us want to give more.

Make some sense?

[stephanbakir]

Those snakes could go go a year without food and they would still be obese lol. That was nothing but negligence:P Regarding dereks animal, for its age its in perfect shape.

[NennaMeerkat]

It still could be misinformation. I fed my two corn snakes up to 4 mice every week. I was later told that if they were eating that much they didn't need to be fed every week but more like every 2 weeks. So many people buy animals (not just reptiles) without really knowing how to properly care for them. Sometimes it comes back to bite them in the butt with a sick animal and sometimes they get away with it. I used to rescue rats for this very reason...people would overfeed them junk and then when the rat got to big OR had health issues they would end up passing them off to me. I would get them back in shape and everything would be better.

I bet the same thing often happens with snakes.

[derekcm87]

I think we have a tendency to overfeed all our pets...and snakes of course are no different. Cats, dogs, rats ect ect We think we are showing "love" to animal by feeding it all the time. What we don't realize is how much it actually hurts. I don't think it is so much as "I want a big snake so I am gonna feed it a lot" all the time. It could be misinformation as well as this complex to feed our animals to death out of love. We get pleasure seeing an animal eating (and though not in a snake's case) enjoy the food we give...thus making us want to give more.

Make some sense?

I think you are right, although I do seem to hear people (younger inexperienced snake keepers) brag about how much their snake can eat, how big it is, how fast they got it to grow more than I would like to hear. I think they think it makes them cool because they have this huge snake.

[NennaMeerkat]

I think you are right, although I do seem to hear people (younger inexperienced snake keepers) brag about how much their snake can eat, how big it is, how fast they got it to grow more than I would like to hear. I think they think it makes them cool because they have this huge snake.

Oh yeah I hear that too...but then as you said it is with the younger generation. You can always hope that those younger people find some older breeder/keeper to really get an education on. OR that those people end up losing their snakes because of ill care. And I mean someone offering to take the snake or a humane rescue group...not a dead snake.

[reptile65]

Yikes! That picture is unbelievable. I have never seen a snake that obese...

[Lankyrob]

Pity that snake isnt in the UK - the RSPCA would lock him up for having an animal that obese. That "owner" (cant bring myself to call him a keeper as he is scum) should be arrested for abuse.

[NennaMeerkat]

No doubt there Lanky...that snake should be removed and the guy fined a good sum of cash to make him remember.

[NennaMeerkat]

I can't help but post this pic I just found of an obese corn snake.

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width/hash/93/b6/93b6914f00d51732aa4bc46a2a5197c2.JPG

It reminds me of one of my corns. I was unknowingly feeding my two corns far to much and one of them durn near looked like this before I started putting more time in between feedings. Thankfully though he was never THAT fat. Poor snake. Thankfully I learned then and have learned even more now.

[ilovemypets1988]

my idea with regards to obese animals, the owners should be force fed to an obese stage and see how they like and handle it, theres never a reason for an overly obese snake or any animal really, alittle obese fair enough - as with what nenna said, through miss information, but obesity to the extent of these examples is just beyond a joke, and it also shows that he is too inexperienced to have that sort and size of snake (in the python pic),

due to the fact that he has 2 very large burms loose and a young child easily in striking distance and if he thinks, that he could do anything about it (if the snakes decided to coil itself around his son), then hes sadly mistaken.

it kills me to say it, but theres only 1 way to stop the child from dying in that situation and thats to cut the snakes head off within about 30-40 seconds of being coiled around.

the reason for the short timing is the child would panic and make it easier to be constricted by the snake through the excessively fast breathing.

[stephanbakir]

The problem with that theory is most of the world is already obese:P

[Lankyrob]

The child is probably totally safe - poor snake could mostlikely not move fast enough to catch him with all that weight :(

[stephanbakir]

The child is probably totally safe - poor snake could mostlikely not move fast enough to catch him with all that weight :(
True but....:no::no::no::no::no::no::no:

[Damion930]

Very sad and that guy is probably so very proud of his huge snakes disgusting

[derekcm87]

the fact that he took the pictures and they made it to the internet tells me that he is most likely proud of what he has done.

[marvelfreak]

Derek your Retic looks amazing. As far as the obese snakes the owners should be arrested for animal cruelty. I personally alone feed my snakes once every two week once they hit six months old.

[Lankyrob]

Derek your Retic looks amazing. As far as the obese snakes the owners should be arrested for animal cruelty. I personally alone feed my snakes once every two week once they hit six months old.

Same here, i was advised that for healthy weighted snakes a correctly sized prey item every 14 days was more than sufficient. Obviously some snakes NEED feeding more often than that, but none of mine do.

[Rog]

Reminds me of one of those huge children on Maury

[stephanbakir]

I feed all of my snakes every 7 days, but I never feed large meals, always small ones.