Toronto Reptile Expo - May 29th 2011

[dshin963]

Hey soo the reptile expo is coming soon and I mentioned earlier about getting any ssnakess members to meet up before or after the Expo and getting to know each other I am wondering who is still interested in this and who would be willing to join :)

Hope to hear from my fellow Canadians soon :D

[Jay]

I have gone in the past.. Never again it was soo crowded and stuffy

[whoaxmary]

:D My boyfriend and I are going to be attending for sure.

[mykee]

I generally make an appearance at shows once every three years and I went to the CRBE two years ago, so I'm out.

[whoaxmary]

Disappointed to see two down. :(

[dshin963]

I generally make an appearance at shows once every three years and I went to the CRBE two years ago, so I'm out.

Lol Mike its like you are a celebrity :D
Hopefully see you next year then :) (Haha your more special than Santa :) )

[dshin963]

I have gone in the past.. Never again it was soo crowded and stuffy

You went to the one in Toronto or are you talking about reptile shows in general?

[dshin963]

Disappointed to see two down. :(

:(
Im still in :) hope to see ya there :D

[mistersprinkles]

Where in Toronto is it? Is it in Mississauga like it used to be or in the actual city?

[Little Wise Owl]

Expos are the only place I buy my feeders in bulk so I'll be there.

[dshin963]

Ahaha! another one! :D and Sprinkles it is in Toronto now at 400 Kipling Ave at the mastercard center

[stephanbakir]

I'll be there for sure.

[vendettaseve]

I'll be there for sure.

What are you doing there? Gtfo back to Quebec ;) :P


We will be there as well if we can make it, Hope to see you all there, even Stephan :)

[dshin963]

What are you doing there? Gtfo back to Quebec ;) :P


We will be there as well if we can make it, Hope to see you all there, even Stephan :)

Ouch... :P By the way there is a timmies like 5 mins north of the expo wondering if anyone would be interested in meeting there?

[whoaxmary]

Timmies? Sounds good to me. :D

[stephanbakir]

Ill head over to the timmies after (Tim Hortons) I'm going down to try and get a second beauty snake, possibly another retic (if i see a sexy one i wont be able to resist, I'm looking for an AMAZING sunfire or granite back.) 2-3 emp scorps possibly a monitor (but I'd prefer getting this from a breeder) and maby a second beauty snake.

[stephanbakir]

What are you doing there? Gtfo back to Quebec ;) :P
I'm taking like 6 people from quebec with me, gona have some hillbilly fun!

[whoaxmary]

Oh, gosh, we're gonna be invaded by French people. ;o jk,
Mhm, I'll meet afterwards as well.

[stephanbakir]

Honestly, i love speaking french but for some reason half the french people in my area are annoying as hell, most of the English ones are alright

[forza_inter]

if i can make it, i'll def be there

[vendettaseve]

I'm taking like 6 people from quebec with me, gona have some hillbilly fun!


Oh no, I knew all thoes doomsday predictions were going to come true.


Also your shopping list is pretty extensive, cant wait to play with it all before you take it back to french land. ;)

[dshin963]

Oh no, I knew all thoes doomsday predictions were going to come true.


Also your shopping list is pretty extensive, cant wait to play with it all before you take it back to french land. ;)

Lol oh Jesus... its gonna be like when the pioneers came over... I hope they come baring gifts :D, ofcourse in reptile form

[dshin963]

Oh and it sounds like a consensus Timmies after the Expo :P Hopefully they don't mind a butt load of herps in their place :D

[stephanbakir]

Honestly at that hour its probably gona be too cold to take them out, that and I'm gona have my stuff in quarantine, only gona have 1 out at a time and gona wash in between, don't wana stress them out though.

[dshin963]

Honestly at that hour its probably gona be too cold to take them out, that and I'm gona have my stuff in quarantine, only gona have 1 out at a time and gona wash in between, don't wana stress them out though.

Ahhh fair enough... I figure the drive back home will be stressful :S the drive from Keele to Scarborough pissed off my blood :P

[stephanbakir]

The ride back home should be fine, they will be in the dark in insulated tubs, minor bumping around from cracks on the road and the occasional scream from inside the car

[mykee]

"Honestly at that hour its probably gona be too cold to take them out, that and I'm gona have my stuff in quarantine, only gona have 1 out at a time and gona wash in between, don't wana stress them out though."
Very responsible of you Sir.

[vendettaseve]

Ahhh fair enough... I figure the drive back home will be stressful :S the drive from Keele to Scarborough pissed off my blood :P


Anyone who can comfortably drive in Quebec. Would feel like they are driving on a cloud in that stretch.

[stephanbakir]

Anyone who can comfortably drive in Quebec. Would feel like they are driving on a cloud in that stretch.

So true, we have small families living in some of our pot-holes rofl.
Measured one at my cottage last year it was 4 feet long 5 feet wide and almost 3 feet deep (also in Quebec)

[Jay]

Expos are the only place I buy my feeders in bulk so I'll be there.
where in Ontario are you ?

[stephanbakir]

I just thought about something, do I need to quarantine my Emp scorps when I get them? I doubt there is anything airborne that passes from arachnids to reptiles but I thought I should ask to be safe.

On a brighter note, I saw a garter chase out of the bush with a frog in his mouth about an hour ago, thing was still jumpin!

[whoaxmary]

Just thought I'd bump this thread since you never got an answer Stephan.

I haven't seen ANY garters yet for some reason. :( I bet that was neat to see~

[stephanbakir]

Thanks, still waiting patiently :)

[Nos]

i'll be there if i can convince my girlfriend to miss a days work. Dam those part time jobs.
If not i'll have to find someone to come with me.

[stephanbakir]

My only problem is finding a way from the airport/buss station to the expo itself, that's what I'm still working out, cutting it close too :(

[dshin963]

uhhh if you can get to kipling station I know its one bus from there...

[stephanbakir]

Ill still need to look into it.

[whoaxmary]

I guess I may not be at the expo after all. Long story short we have no car and no money. x.x

[dshin963]

I guess I may not be at the expo after all. Long story short we have no car and no money. x.x

Oh no :( that sucks...

[stephanbakir]

Sucks man:(

[whoaxmary]

Very much so. Sucks even more that it shouldn't be my problem; but somehow it is. I'm going to be really disappointed if we can't work it out. I was so looking forward to seeing everyone and picking up some new scaleybabies. :(

[stephanbakir]

I looked into it, and I cant bring any animals back on the plane/greyhound/train... so unless i can find a driver im stranded... I'd be willing to put 200$ towards gas money if it would help? Any takers?

[dshin963]

Ouch... that really sucks... there are expos in Montreal if you cant make it to this one...

[stephanbakir]

The timing is pretty bad for the other expos, this is my first weekend off

[vendettaseve]

I looked into it, and I cant bring any animals back on the plane/greyhound/train... so unless i can find a driver im stranded... I'd be willing to put 200$ towards gas money if it would help? Any takers?

Why?

Iv transported my bearded dragon via greyhound several times, If you keep it in a container, whos going to know?

[stephanbakir]

I'd prefer not take the risk.

[Jay]

Why?

Iv transported my bearded dragon via greyhound several times, If you keep it in a container, whos going to know?
shhhh they are on to you. I have also transported some herps as well, although rules may have changed

[stephanbakir]

Long story short last winter I had a curly tail gecko sneak into my luggage when i flew from Cuba to Ottawa. They never found it but I consider myself lucky, I don't plan to push my luck.

[Jay]

HUGE difference from flying compared to taking a bus

[stephanbakir]

Isn't it still using public transportation, crossing provincial lines with animals? I understand that Cuba-Ottawa and Toronto-Gatineau are 2 different things, but I'm assuming I'll at least get some hefty fines thrown at me?

[vendettaseve]

Isn't it still using public transportation, crossing provincial lines with animals? I understand that Cuba-Ottawa and Toronto-Gatineau are 2 different things, but I'm assuming I'll at least get some hefty fines thrown at me?

The reason you would have gotten in trouble (jail time if you were unlucky) for the gecko is the animal smuggling laws, its SUPER illigal to bring in animals and to a lesser extent food from other countrys into this one for fear that it will unbalance the natural eco system.

Taking stuff on public transit has nothing to do with it, As long as you keep it in its box the entier time and dont tell anyone about it you will be fine. Even if you do tell people about it you will probly still be fine.

Also grey hound doesnt inspect luggage unless your crossing the US border.

Edit: Just did a little digging, it says in the rules that its fine to bring small pets on board provided they are kept in secured pet carrier appropriate to that pet. I think they are leaning more towards dogs and cats but it doesnt say no herps.

[dshin963]

Some Pics from the expo I forgot the sames of some of the snakes and some are obvious :) hope you enjoy

[dshin963]

Continued sorry about the glare... it was outside on display in a trailer

[dshin963]

Continued only left hopefully you like them :D

[dshin963]

Last one... I was soo impressed with my first expo I forgot to take a lot of pics :S... I let you all down :(

[vendettaseve]

SO who all from the forums showed up and met? I totaly forgot it was today lol.

[dshin963]

Lol I didnt see anyone :P well at least I dont think I saw anyone :P also around 1 I was in a rush :P I went for a drink came back and noticed all the feeder booths were almost sold out... scrambled to buy my feeders then had to leave to get them home :( got 30 rats though :D

[whoaxmary]

:( Very jelly of youuuu. D: NEXT TIME. :) You shall see me next tiiime.

[dshin963]

Lol next one is in July :D I think... :S and ohhh it was fun... almost bought a 5 ft yellow anaconda :S... I dont think the parents would have liked that while I am living here for the next couple months :P

[dshin963]

It was really cool to see the viper, eastern diamond back, green mamba, and gator though :D

[stephanbakir]

I couldn't make it:( ended up going camping and caught a cold!

[Nos]

i went, and got a new 4 foot glass enclosure for a steal. took Tons of pics aswell

[stephanbakir]

Upload themmm:P

[dshin963]

Lol yea the enclosures were all on for good prices, same with the snakes oooo I wish I had more spending money... I was offered a breeding pair of bloods for $350-400...
and the yellow conda for $100...

[Nos]

i wanted an albino ball but only saw one at the whole expo

[stephanbakir]

I'm looking at some pics people sent me and gahhhhhh wish i was there.

[forza_inter]

enjoyed it....could have spent the entire day there

[stephanbakir]

Did they have some decent retics?

[dshin963]

Did they have some decent retics?

Only Retic I saw was in the truck outside and I dont think those were for sale... may have been...

[stephanbakir]

Toronto is in ontario and it has a 3 meter law regarding snakes (snakes with the potential to surpass 3 meters are prohibited) but maby they shipped it to you outside the province.
Was hoping they at least showed them off :(

[totheend]

Toronto has the 3 metre law, not all of Ontario. Just clearing that up because it sounds like you are saying all of Ontario....

[stephanbakir]

Ontario has a 3 meter law, certain cities have laws specific to them them that pardon specific laws if im not mistaken.

[totheend]

Well where I live, we have no by laws at all for reptiles....and it hasn't changed since the 60's...the 3 metre rule is fairly new. It is not all of Ontario. Other Cities have adopted Torontos 3 metre rule though.

[dshin963]

Its is generally just major cities that have the 3 meter bylaw such as the GTA and Ottawa I believe small cities such as Peterborough do not

[kriminaal]

There are many different by-laws in other areas as well.
I know an area near me has the snake by-law (just outside of kitchener-waterloo)
as well as a lizard restriction of 2 or 3 feet. I forget the specifics on that.

[Nos]

i have like 30 plus photos i edited to upload should i make a new thread just for the photos,

Hahaha also Toddy tickles from 102.1 the edge interviewed me at the reptile expo and i was on the radio this morning, such dumb questions, and i think he changed some of my answers

[forza_inter]

Did they have some decent retics?


Reptilia (a reptile zoo in toronto) had a display outside the building and there was 1 retic on display....but inside the actual event, i only say dwarf retics for sale....first time i've actually seen dwarf retics and they are absolutely gorgeous! i want one so bad....but i prob need to gain a little more experience before jumping into that

[stephanbakir]

Because SD retics get small allot of people try and buy them, besides the crazy feeding response and the fact that they are stronger then anything but annies in their size group they do make fantastic pets.

[forza_inter]

Because SD retics get small allot of people try and buy them, besides the crazy feeding response and the fact that they are stronger then anything but annies in their size group they do make fantastic pets.


what do you mean by crazy feeding response? and how big approx do they get?

[stephanbakir]

Female retics are longer and larger then males, and female SD retics max out at about... 8-9 feet. Retics in general throw themselves at their meals, some don't if they were swapped to F/T early enough and fed without shaking the food to entice them.

SD retics also grow slower then other lines, a normal size tiger should reach 8-9 feet by the first year, where as a normal sized sunfire should hit 7-8 feet in the first year.
If you want the smallest SD possible I'd advise asking breeders about the size of the parents, and looking towards sunfires because they generally get much shorter then other morphs.

[Lankyrob]

what do you mean by crazy feeding response? and how big approx do they get?

My SD certainly has the strongest feeding response of any of my snakes, he gets fed on a plate in his viv and i have to hide the plate until his viv is open then suddenly put it in the viv and shut the door quick, the second he sees the plate, even from across the room, he goes into food mode and will strike at ANYTHING hot. He has struck at the guard around his ceramic heatbulb just cos its hot.

One day i slid the door too far open when i put his rat in, he struck four foot across his viv and then around the door and back another six inches or so and nearly got me. He is crazy and unpredictable when food is around.

When there is no food he is the calmest most relaxed snake i know, i use hi. As a demostrator when i do talks at schools and the kids love him, he gets stroked and prodded by them and just sits there wrapped around my arm without a care in the world. I can even rub his head between his eyes with zero reaction. I just hope that when we do school visits noone produces a plastic plate............. :no: ;) :no:

[stephanbakir]

Call the schools first and make sure they clear the area of plates:P

[Lankyrob]

Call the schools first and make sure they clear the area of plates:P

:rolleyes::yes::):no::eek::rolleyes:

[stephanbakir]

You don't think it's a good idea?:P

[Lankyrob]

I like spontaniety,am sure they wont mind a hungry snake charging around the school biting anything warm :rolleyes: ;)

[stephanbakir]

*snake chases child* Rob quickly comes up with a plan *Rob throws a rat between the child and the snake* WOOOO go Rob:P

[Lankyrob]

*snake chases child* Rob quickly comes up with a plan *Rob throws a rat between the child and the snake* WOOOO go Rob:P

I always hae adefrosted rat handy for just this situation :crazy2::crazy::elvis:

[stephanbakir]

You da man ;)

[Lankyrob]

Shhh, donttell wayne, we have hijacked another thread ;) :robo:

[stephanbakir]

We are exploring creative methods of saving children from snakes with aggressive feeding response :)