picked up this guy today

[ilovemypets1988]

hey all, i went to my local rep shop today and picked up this cute guy:
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k514/Daniel_Barton/my%20western%20hognose%20snake/IMG0170A.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k514/Daniel_Barton/my%20western%20hognose%20snake/IMG0171A.jpg

[stephanbakir]

How can you say no to that face!

[ilovemypets1988]

How can you say no to that face!

thas what i thought, i asked to see him and lifted him up to take a better look at his eyes and within 5 mins, i took the cash out and payed for him lol

he does love to his though which is funny becoz if u call his bluff, he shuts up lol

[Stormy Night]

Awwww lil piggens! Cute!

[sickvenom]

thas what i thought, i asked to see him and lifted him up to take a better look at his eyes and within 5 mins, i took the cash out and payed for him lol

he does love to his though which is funny becoz if u call his bluff, he shuts up lol

Is this your first hog?

[ilovemypets1988]

Is this your first hog?

yep it sure is

[NennaMeerkat]

Oh ILMP congrats! I am glad we have yet another hoggie owner around here! He looks adorable. Does he bluff at you a lot? I have heard that males bluff more than girls but I am not sure on how founded that is overall. Also I wanna see a clearer pic of him eventually.

[ilovemypets1988]

yh he does bluff alot, all hes done is hiss since i got him home, but it is very funny though, hes in a RUB at the moment and all hes tried is escaping lol, ive already seen his hood, that was straight after taking the pics above, i have to say it, but hes an adorable cutey and ive falling in love with hoggies, his up turned snout is cute.

im in the middle of sorting out his own 2ft viv, i will be using a heat lamp for him as i think that would be better as i will be using a mixture of sand and coconut fibre substrate for it and once its finished, i will defo be putting a pic of the finished viv up aswell

[NennaMeerkat]

The sooner you can let him settle the better. Some hoggies can be sensitive about things sometimes. And though he is older he could go off feed for some time if stressed to much.

[ilovemypets1988]

The sooner you can let him settle the better. Some hoggies can be sensitive about things sometimes. And though he is older he could go off feed for some time if stressed to much.

i will bare that in mind thank you nenna, im hping to have it ready by the middle of next week as i dont have much more to get, just need to reseal the viv and get a guard for the lamp and some deco and i should be finished.

[sassy_snake_lady]

yh he does bluff alot, all hes done is hiss since i got him home, but it is very funny though, hes in a RUB at the moment and all hes tried is escaping lol, ive already seen his hood, that was straight after taking the pics above, i have to say it, but hes an adorable cutey and ive falling in love with hoggies, his up turned snout is cute.

im in the middle of sorting out his own 2ft viv, i will be using a heat lamp for him as i think that would be better as i will be using a mixture of sand and coconut fibre substrate for it and once its finished, i will defo be putting a pic of the finished viv up aswell

Oh dear oh dear.

I just don't know what else to say.

Have you even researched hoggies or did you just see him and buy him as the op suggests.

[ilovemypets1988]

Oh dear oh dear.

I just don't know what else to say.

Have you even researched hoggies or did you just see him and buy him as the op suggests.

yes of course ive done my research, been doing it for a while.

[sassy_snake_lady]

yes of course ive done my research, been doing it for a while.

Really, then why do you seem so surprised he is puffing up and hissing after you put him in the rub??

I wont even go into what else is wrong, you will learn!

[Lankyrob]

Really, then why do you seem so surprised he is puffing up and hissing after you put him in the rub??

I wont even go into what else is wrong, you will learn!

Rather than just be critical why dont you share your extensive knowledge, for the benefit of the snake if nothing else?

[NennaMeerkat]

Thank you Lanky. I have actually been talking with ILMP on PM and he is doing just fine by his hoggie by all that he has told me. Only a few small errors that have been easy to work out. He is doing fine and is planning a good home without any problems.

It seems everyone just wants to criticize without sharing any REAL knowledge these days. Sure criticize if you want but back up your criticism with hard facts and personal experience. If you can't provide the facts and experience DON'T provide the criticism.

[ilovemypets1988]

Thank you Lanky. I have actually been talking with ILMP on PM and she is doing just fine by her hoggie by all that she has told me. Only a few small errors that have been easy to work out. She is doing fine and is planning a good home without any problems.

It seems everyone just wants to criticize without sharing any REAL knowledge these days. Sure criticize if you want but back up your criticism with hard facts and personal experience. If you can't provide the facts and experience DON'T provide the criticism.

im a bloke nenna ;)

[NennaMeerkat]

im a bloke nenna ;)

OMG THAT IS HILARIOUS! Oh god I am so sorry...if i could edit that last post I totally would.

-gets bricked-

Totally edited it just now...sorry again hun!

[ilovemypets1988]

OMG THAT IS HILARIOUS! Oh god I am so sorry...if i could edit that last post I totally would.

-gets bricked-

Totally edited it just now...sorry again hun!

thas ok nenna, no offence taken, it is actually quite funny lol :)

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

@ Ilovemypets1988 and Lankyrob, do either of you know where Lakenheath is? I use to live there for 5 years when i was younger. My father was stationed there, just thought id share that. lol I like the hognose by the way, dont know much about them but im sure he will do well with you.

[ilovemypets1988]

yh thanks rob, i wouldve sed something myself, but i have made a promise not to lower myself and i aint braking that for noone, as promises to me mean the world

[Lankyrob]

@ Ilovemypets1988 and Lankyrob, do either of you know where Lakenheath is? I use to live there for 5 years when i was younger. My father was stationed there, just thought id share that. lol I like the hognose by the way, dont know much about them but im sure he will do well with you.

The companyi worked for did renovations and construction work at RAF Lakenheath, i assume the airbase and town are pretty close?

[ilovemypets1988]

@ Ilovemypets1988 and Lankyrob, do either of you know where Lakenheath is? I use to live there for 5 years when i was younger. My father was stationed there, just thought id share that. lol I like the hognose by the way, dont know much about them but im sure he will do well with you.

thank you for your kind comments and yh lakenheath is in the midlands i believe.

[Lankyrob]

Somewhere near Thetford from my failing memory, used to do site visits there on a semi regular basis, something like a five hour drive each way for a two hour meeting, those were the days :rolleyes:

[ilovemypets1988]

Somewhere near Thetford from my failing memory, used to do site visits there on a semi regular basis, something like a five hour drive each way for a two hour meeting, those were the days :rolleyes:

lol rob, its unfortunate that u had ur accident as you r a really nice guy and it couldnt have happened to anyone nicer

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

The companyi worked for did renovations and construction work at RAF Lakenheath, i assume the airbase and town are pretty close?

Yes the air base is a good 5km's south of the town.

[Lankyrob]

lol rob, its unfortunate that u had ur accident as you r a really nice guy and it couldnt have happened to anyone nicer

Thank you! :):):):):):)

[ilovemypets1988]

Thank you! :):):):):):)

your very much welcome :):)

[Lankyrob]

Yes the air base is a good 5km's south of the town.

That would be as close as i got to the town itself then :)

[ilovemypets1988]

im hoping that tomoz i will have my 2ft viv fully setup for my new guy, all i can do is make sure that he has a gd home here and so he shall, as i make a vow to do my best for him:)

[Coffee Black]

Nicey nice. I am jealous of everyone who has a local reptile shop haha. I need to drive 2 hours to find a petshop with any type of decent reptiles/supplies.

[NennaMeerkat]

Nicey nice. I am jealous of everyone who has a local reptile shop haha. I need to drive 2 hours to find a petshop with any type of decent reptiles/supplies.

At least you can find someone in 2 hours. I don't trust anyone anywhere NEAR us with good reptiles. Supplies are decent enough, but not the reptiles themselves.

[Coffee Black]

I mean more or less for looking at purposes. I usually buy from breeders. I have never bought an animal from them. They have two illegal animals there that they have "cleverly" renamed to try to avoid inquiry. Alligator snapping turtle called a " spiny water turtle" and a Nile Monitor they have listed as an " Egyptian River Lizard" haha. I believe they are no longer for sale and they had them before the 2005 ban but I don't know how the grandfathering works here.

[NennaMeerkat]

I mean more or less for looking at purposes. I usually buy from breeders. I have never bought an animal from them. They have two illegal animals there that they have "cleverly" renamed to try to avoid inquiry. Alligator snapping turtle called a " spiny water turtle" and a Nile Monitor they have listed as an " Egyptian River Lizard" haha. I believe they are no longer for sale and they had them before the 2005 ban but I don't know how the grandfathering works here.

LOL I have seen pet stores do similar things in other states. Try to rename them in order to sell them and no get caught. Funny thing is informed people will be more than happy to let authorities know about the "error" the pet stores were doing.

And on another note I couldn't IMAGINE housing an Alligator Snapping Turtle as a pet.

http://www.ulm.edu/universityrelations/news/jan09/images/steve_turtle.jpg

Considering how how big they get.

[sickvenom]

Is this your first hog?

sweet. i breed them. you'll want belly heat and use shredded aspen for bedding. they like to burrow, so make sure there's about 5" in there.

[ilovemypets1988]

sweet. i breed them. you'll want belly heat and use shredded aspen for bedding. they like to burrow, so make sure there's about 5" in there.

thanks venom, yh hes my first as i wanted something more managable that i cant introduce my child to after he/she is born and not have to worry about the size, and i thought that a 2ftish hoggie would be perfect and intresting for the child to watch when he does his "bluff dance" lol

[sassy_snake_lady]

thanks venom, yh hes my first as i wanted something more managable that i cant introduce my child to after he/she is born and not have to worry about the size, and i thought that a 2ftish hoggie would be perfect and intresting for the child to watch when he does his "bluff dance" lol

What if it bites your child? A hognose is not a snake I would give to a young child!

[NennaMeerkat]

What if it bites your child? A hognose is not a snake I would give to a young child!

Our six year old touches out hoggie without a problem. He knows the rules and is responsible. I wouldn't outright say that my child can hold the snake unsupervised but I don't think a hoggie would be considered a dangerous snake to look at or touch. There are worse, far more dangerous non-venomous snakes out there I wouldn't let my son get near, but a hognose isn't one of them.

Worked at a zoo for 5 years showing off snakes to kids and adults alike. Had plenty of 3-6 year olds touch our two hognose snakes without a problem. Like with any animal you have to supervise. But anyone with kids should know the kid is more dangerous to the animal than the animal the kid...so to speak.

Just my own opinion.

[sassy_snake_lady]

Our six year old touches out hoggie without a problem. He knows the rules and is responsible. I wouldn't outright say that my child can hold the snake unsupervised but I don't think a hoggie would be considered a dangerous snake to look at or touch. There are worse, far more dangerous non-venomous snakes out there I wouldn't let my son get near, but a hognose isn't one of them.

Worked at a zoo for 5 years showing off snakes to kids and adults alike. Had plenty of 3-6 year olds touch our two hognose snakes without a problem. Like with any animal you have to supervise. But anyone with kids should know the kid is more dangerous to the animal than the animal the kid...so to speak.

Just my own opinion.

His child isn't born yet so the comment made it sound like he is going to give a hooded up huffing hognose to his baby to hold!

When it does the "funny bluff dance" as ILMP calls it, thats not really the time to get the snake and hand it to a child surely of any age? My hognose has just started to calm down now but would also musk while hissing and puffing at me. It's not a funny dance, it's a warning, back off I'm scared. Obviously an adult can continue to handle, as I did to calm the snake and get it used to being held but IMO a huffing hissy hognose is not a play thing nor is it there to entertain a child.

Have I made my point ok, not too harsh, not gonna get people all offended? :rolleyes:

[sassy_snake_lady]

And on another note I couldn't IMAGINE housing an Alligator Snapping Turtle as a pet.

http://www.ulm.edu/universityrelations/news/jan09/images/steve_turtle.jpg

Considering how how big they get.

Woooo! Steve Backshall there, love that guy :yes:

[Lankyrob]

At no point did he say he was going to let the new born baby hold the snake - he said intorduce to it and for the child to WATCH it do the hissy dance.

Our daughter was 3 when we got our snakes she is now nearly 5 - she wouldnt ever be allowed to open one of the reptile cages and the only snake she ever has held with TOTAL supervision is our yearling corns.

The rest of the reptiles she is allowed to stroke whilst me or the wife hold them - ensuring that should they bite they will get us not her. This is what i gathered from the word "introduce".

[sickvenom]

His child isn't born yet so the comment made it sound like he is going to give a hooded up huffing hognose to his baby to hold!

When it does the "funny bluff dance" as ILMP calls it, thats not really the time to get the snake and hand it to a child surely of any age? My hognose has just started to calm down now but would also musk while hissing and puffing at me. It's not a funny dance, it's a warning, back off I'm scared. Obviously an adult can continue to handle, as I did to calm the snake and get it used to being held but IMO a huffing hissy hognose is not a play thing nor is it there to entertain a child.

Have I made my point ok, not too harsh, not gonna get people all offended? :rolleyes:

In addition to the above, please don't handle any hog while it's 'playing dead.'

[ilovemypets1988]

finally finished the viv so pictures will be taken and put up later, oh and for the record, a child can be introduced to a snake without even touching it, via watching it through the glass, i would never have a new born around while ive got the animal in my hands, lankyrob, your very much right with what u said and how you gathered from what i previously said.

and as for the hissy dance, for a child, that would be funny!

[ilovemypets1988]

here we are, the setup pics and better pics of the snake itself in his viv:
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k514/Daniel_Barton/my%20western%20hognose%20snake/DSCF0139.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k514/Daniel_Barton/my%20western%20hognose%20snake/DSCF0135.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k514/Daniel_Barton/my%20western%20hognose%20snake/DSCF0136.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k514/Daniel_Barton/my%20western%20hognose%20snake/DSCF0134.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k514/Daniel_Barton/my%20western%20hognose%20snake/DSCF0133.jpg

[NennaMeerkat]

Nice home. All that foliage is gonna make for some great hiding places along with the two hides you seem to have. It seems a bit on the short side...not as long. Though that could be just a personal thing. Since it doesn't seem to be a normal size like you find in aquariums I wouldn't really know. Though as long as the snake can get a hot side with an UTH and a cool side where it isn't should be okay...

I need to find me some leaves and such for my girl. She might feel much more secure that way. Also on your first picture of him in his home...he seems ready to do that hissy dance LOL

[ilovemypets1988]

Nice home. All that foliage is gonna make for some great hiding places along with the two hides you seem to have. It seems a bit on the short side...not as long. Though that could be just a personal thing. Since it doesn't seem to be a normal size like you find in aquariums I wouldn't really know. Though as long as the snake can get a hot side with an UTH and a cool side where it isn't should be okay...

I need to find me some leaves and such for my girl. She might feel much more secure that way. Also on your first picture of him in his home...he seems ready to do that hissy dance LOL

he was doing it at the time lol, he has the stance of, come any closer and i`ll have you lol
also the leaves, theres 2 artificial ivy things, they cost a £5 for the both and i still have some left over, go to your local hobby shop as u can get them for cheaply through the flourist hobby

[ilovemypets1988]

oh and yes nenna, theres a cork bark in the left side of the viv. the viv itself measures:
L = 23"
H = 18"
W = 15"

[sassy_snake_lady]

Looks nice.

What side is the UTH on?

[ilovemypets1988]

Looks nice.

What side is the UTH on?

its directly under the light as thas the warm side,
and sassy, do you want to know where you can get the ivy in the pic for very cheaply btw

[sassy_snake_lady]

Nice :)

Yes please, I should be getting some 4ft vivs soon ready for all the boas so any cheap plant stuff is great :)

[ilovemypets1988]

i will pm you