Copperhead racers

[RandyRhoads]

Wasn't sure where this thread belonged. But has anymore seen these before? It amazed me...


YouTube - Snake Bites! Copperheaded Racer. VERY Fast Strike. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty4G27rKC7o&feature=relmfu)

[sickvenom]

Wasn't sure where this thread belonged. But has anymore seen these before? It amazed me...


YouTube - Snake Bites! Copperheaded Racer. VERY Fast Strike. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty4G27rKC7o&feature=relmfu)


non venomous, rat snake.

[Damion930]

Are you sure Sickvenom lol just had to Colubroidea snake evolution (http://www.kingsnake.com/toxinology/snake_evolution.html)

[sickvenom]

Are you sure Sickvenom lol just had to Colubroidea snake evolution (http://www.kingsnake.com/toxinology/snake_evolution.html)

yes, lol. i'm sure lol.

your link merely points out venom evolution. it also states that some families of colubrids are related to elapids. big deal. i find it highly suspicious that he states, 'Consequently, the vast majority of the advanced snakes are venomous, including most of the snakes typically thought of as non-venomous,' yet he doesn't state specifically which species of 'non-venomous' snakes are venomous and what toxicity levels their venom is. i don't know who this fry guy is, but it appears these are independent studies he is conducting.

[Damion930]

He's a world renowned venom specialist and he states that the snake in question has venom glands containing three finger toxins he has lots of other very interesting research available

[stephanbakir]

Quite a few snakes have a mixture of venom types hemo/neuro etc

[sickvenom]

He's a world renowned venom specialist and he states that the snake in question has venom glands containing three finger toxins he has lots of other very interesting research available

yeah, i've read some of his other stuff. pretty interesting stuff.

[RandyRhoads]

Are there any snakes that are primarily cytotoxic?

[sickvenom]

Are there any snakes that are primarily cytotoxic?

yes, several. Cytotoxic Venom (http://www.snakes-uncovered.com/Cytotoxic_Venom.html)

[infernalis]

Even my little garter snakes have a Duvernoy's gland and produce minuscule amounts of "three finger toxins"

[sickvenom]

Even my little garter snakes have a Duvernoy's gland and produce minuscule amounts of "three finger toxins"

i guess i have an issue with this 'dr' inferring that 3ftx are on the same level as other venomous snakes. just because a snake can produce toxins, should it be classified as a venomous snake? there's a reason why your garters aren't called 'venomous.'

[Damion930]

Cobra venom is a 3ftx and he doesnt say they should be classified the same he actually regularly sez that they are of a none medical or none life threatining nature do to the lack of an effective delivery system even though some of them have ben found to contain and produce more venom and somtimes more toxic venom than snakes considered to be venomus and he is strongly against the bans and does work with usark

[infernalis]

there's a reason why your garters aren't called 'venomous.'

Correct. They are quite harmless, I let them chew on me when I get bit, and all I ever do is bleed a little.

I have heard of but cannot confirm the accuracy, that some people have had "adverse reactions" to a Thamnophis bite.

[sickvenom]

Correct. They are quite harmless, I let them chew on me when I get bit, and all I ever do is bleed a little.

I have heard of but cannot confirm the accuracy, that some people have had "adverse reactions" to a Thamnophis bite.

that could just be a reaction to bacteria. i do find these studies fascinating and hope they continue. there's so much we are still learning.

[infernalis]

that could just be a reaction to bacteria. i do find these studies fascinating and hope they continue. there's so much we are still learning.


Yes we are.

Would you believe that I was raised to fear the "Spotted adder", for years I truly thought that an Eastern Milk snake (Lampropeltis Triangulum Triangulum) was a species of snake that could make you sick with it's bite.

That bad information had been passed down over 3 generations, and I only wish I could show my mother (R.I.P.) that they are harmless and my female "Carmella" is one of the most docile pet snakes I have ever had the pleasure of caring for.

Keeping an open mind is essential if one is to learn.

[sickvenom]

Yes we are.

Would you believe that I was raised to fear the "Spotted adder", for years I truly thought that an Eastern Milk snake (Lampropeltis Triangulum Triangulum) was a species of snake that could make you sick with it's bite.

That bad information had been passed down over 3 generations, and I only wish I could show my mother (R.I.P.) that they are harmless and my female "Carmella" is one of the most docile pet snakes I have ever had the pleasure of caring for.

Keeping an open mind is essential if one is to learn.

once people learn hogs are venomous, they get scared and most don't bother to learn about them. they just think venom - cobra has venom, hognose has venom, rattlesnake has venom.