Ive never posted before so i thought id say hey.

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

Hey everyone, my name is josh, im from South Carolina, and im 20 years old. I just finished my Associate Degree in Science, i am transferring to USC for a Bachelor's (or more) in Applied Biology so i can work more closely with the animals i have come to love. Snakes of course, i currently own 3 snakes,but i plan on getting more this summer. 0.0.1 Carpet Python, 0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa, and 1.0 Copperhead. In the past ive had a Red Tail Boa but he died of natural causes at 16 years old. I just wanted to say hey and tell everyone a little about myself. Here is a picture of my Carpet Python, i can post pictures of my other two when i get on my computer at home if anyone is interested in seeing them. Hopefully this works.

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[infernalis]

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[NennaMeerkat]

Welcome to the site! Even though you have been here stalking around ;) Nice long snake you got there! Seems like he is a handful. I hope to see your other snakies as well. Also you are brave brave if you have that Copperhead or getting one eventually. I would just be terrified.

[stephanbakir]

Welcome to the forums.

[presspirate]

hello and Welcome aboard! beautiful carpet you have. Can't wait to see more pictures.

[ilovemypets1988]

welcome, as for pictures of your other guys and wanting to see them, yh definately lol

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

Welcome to the site! Even though you have been here stalking around ;) Nice long snake you got there! Seems like he is a handful. I hope to see your other snakies as well. Also you are brave brave if you have that Copperhead or getting one eventually. I would just be terrified.

hahaha stalking, i clicked on alot of people's profile to see what the majority of people's on here's favorite snake is. Its pretty diverse but Corns seem to be the favorite and alot of people like Carpets which is really cool. As for the Copperhead, i had some-one with experience come in home and teach/do it for me hahah anything involved in hooking him for cleaning until i got use to the process. He never comes out other than that cause he eats in his cage. I want to move up to working with more aggressive hots but im not sure the copperhead was great training he very seldom strikes.

[emilie]

hi, and welcome!

[sickvenom]

As for the Copperhead, i had some-one with experience come in home and teach/do it for me hahah anything involved in hooking him for cleaning until i got use to the process. He never comes out other than that cause he eats in his cage. I want to move up to working with more aggressive hots but im not sure the copperhead was great training he very seldom strikes.

there is no such thing as hot 'training.' just because he never strikes, that doesn't mean he can't kill you dead..... on the spot. having some guy come to your house and show you want to do is not nearly enough experience to own a hot. sorry, but what you are doing is very dangerous. i hope you don't get bit and die.

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

there is no such thing as hot 'training.' just because he never strikes, that doesn't mean he can't kill you dead..... on the spot. having some guy come to your house and show you want to do is not nearly enough experience to own a hot. sorry, but what you are doing is very dangerous. i hope you don't get bit and die.

Thanks for your concern but in my past ive been around people on a daily basis more aggressive/cunning/deadly then this snake. As im guessing you know based on your name the Southern Copperheads venom is relatively mild and for almost all bites in healthy adults no anti-venom is even administered. And coming from a man from Hindu background from India who dealt with much more deadly snakes on a daily basis in his village and continues to here in America, i trust his judgement and even if i didnt its not enough to deter me from keeping a Copperhead. If people didnt take chances and keep these snakes we wouldn't know a thing about them today. Not going to say, i dont respect the snake because i do, but fear this particular one? no i dont... Now a Mamba? thats a whole different story, i couldn't own one, and respect anyone that does. Thank you again but i am more concerned with getting in a car wreck and dieing then i am, suffering a deadly bite from this snake.

[sickvenom]

Thanks for your concern but in my past ive been around people on a daily basis more aggressive/cunning/deadly then this snake.

horrible justification.

As im guessing you know based on your name the Southern Copperheads venom is relatively mild

.22 caliber bullets are smaller than .45. does that make then less lethal???

and for almost all bites in healthy adults no anti-venom is even administered.

i'll go ahead and correct you here. your statement is false. SOME copperhead bites are not treated with antivenin, but you are incorrect in stating 'almost all' are not. this still does not detract from the fact that copperhead bites can be fatal, you will endure days, weeks and sometimes months of extreme pain, rehabilitation and possible permanent tissue and muscle damage. do you think your hospital bill will be less because it was a copperhead bite? no, it won't be. and just because SOME people have survived copperhead bites without the need for antivenin, that doesn't mean they make good pets. nor does it mean they are ok for inexperienced hot owners to own.

And coming from a man from Hindu background from India who dealt with much more deadly snakes on a daily basis in his village and continues to here in America, i trust his judgement and even if i didnt its not enough to deter me from keeping a Copperhead.

this was the funniest and scariest sentence of your entire post. the fact that you feel you HAVE TO own a copperhead is the very reason why you shouldn't have one.

If people didnt take chances and keep these snakes we wouldn't know a thing about them today.

and what type of official, scientific studies are you performing on this particular specimen?


but fear this particular one? no i dont...

thank you for proving my point. case closed.

get rid of that snake before you or someone else dies.

[Damion930]

So just curious sickvenom so you are saying ther is no such thing as training with a mentor on the proper handling techniques of hots how would you recommend going about learning or did you think he was saying he was trying to train his snake

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

please quote your source for this info. thanks.

This information is readily available, i dont have one specific source other than my mother who is a RN at a local hospital in heavy Copperhead territory and they are the most common bites seen in this region. She has told me numerous times that it in most cases is more dangerous to administer anti-venom due to the risk of allergenic response and only an antibiotic is given to reduce the risk of secondary infection. Now elderly and children will receive anti-venom regardless. I just googled "copperhead bite treatment" and one of the first headlines to come up was: Copperhead Care Sheet (http://arachnophiliac.info/burrow/copperhead_care.htm)

Feb 12, 2007 ... In most instances of Copperhead bite, no antivenin is administered; instead, the patient is given pain medication and supportive care. Copperhead Care Sheet (http://arachnophiliac.info/burrow/copperhead_care.htm)

and then:

Hiker's Notebook: Copperhead (http://www.sierrapotomac.org/W_Needham/Copperhead_050704.htm)

The copperhead bite is not serious and requires only minor medical treatment. This is because the venom of the copperhead is not as toxic as that of other ... Hiker's Notebook: Copperhead (http://www.sierrapotomac.org/W_Needham/Copperhead_050704.htm)

But i looked around and other websites say different.. The basis of my statement was on first hand accounts from my mother, that's what i believe, regardless id still go to the hospital if bitten hahah.

[sickvenom]

So just curious sickvenom so you are saying ther is no such thing as training with a mentor on the proper handling techniques of hots how would you recommend going about learning or did you think he was saying he was trying to train his snake

i WOULDN'T recommend anyone learn how to 'handle' hots. there's no need for it.

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

thank you for proving my point. case closed.

get rid of that snake before you or someone else dies.

Yea really? if you think for one second i give a **** that you think i should/can own a copperhead then your sadly mistaken. I say you should get rid of you venomous snakes? cause you obviously think you know more about thes animals then the next person. **** that noise take that somewhere else cause im not trying to hear it. And me saying ive been around people more dangerous than that snake is justification whether you like it or not.

[sickvenom]

This information is readily available, i dont have one specific source other than my mother who is a RN at a local hospital in heavy Copperhead territory and they are the most common bites seen in this region. She has told me numerous times that it in most cases is more dangerous to administer anti-venom due to the risk of allergenic response and only an antibiotic is given to reduce the risk of secondary infection.

so.... just because you may not need antivenin if bitten, that is a reason to own a copperhead?

Now elderly and children will receive anti-venom regardless.

not true.

I just googled "copperhead bite treatment" and one of the first headlines to come up was: Copperhead Care Sheet (http://arachnophiliac.info/burrow/copperhead_care.htm)

Feb 12, 2007 ... In most instances of Copperhead bite, no antivenin is administered; instead, the patient is given pain medication and supportive care. Copperhead Care Sheet (http://arachnophiliac.info/burrow/copperhead_care.htm)

and then:

Hiker's Notebook: Copperhead (http://www.sierrapotomac.org/W_Needham/Copperhead_050704.htm)

The copperhead bite is not serious and requires only minor medical treatment. This is because the venom of the copperhead is not as toxic as that of other ... Hiker's Notebook: Copperhead (http://www.sierrapotomac.org/W_Needham/Copperhead_050704.htm)

But i looked around and other websites say different.. The basis of my statement was on first hand accounts from my mother, that's what i believe, regardless id still go to the hospital if bitten hahah.

so your sources are you mom and the internet. nice.

i'm all for you loving herps and wanting to learn, but i don't agree with you keeping hots. and yes, i feel comfortable making that statement without even knowing you. your logic is hazardous to yourself and anyone else that may enter into your dwelling.

[Damion930]

Im often exposed to hots in my profession and have on multiple occasion chosen to handle them to limit exposure to my team and I do have a small amount of experience helping a friend with his hots is ther a reason you are so against it

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

.22 caliber bullets are smaller than .45. does that make then less lethal???



Your joking right??? I see... So if someone pulled both these firearms on you and said im going to shoot you with one, which one would you prefer your response would be.... Either one there both just as deadly? Smart one.... Were you came up with this stupid statement i dont want to know...

[sickvenom]

I say you should get rid of you venomous snakes?

who said i owned venomous snakes?

cause you obviously think you know more about thes animals then the next person.

i'm quite confident in stating that i do. at least on this forum. do i know more than everyone? no. do i know more than most? yes.

**** that noise take that somewhere else cause im not trying to hear it.

another reason as to why you shouldn't be around hots. you have proven to be immature and unresponsive to cautionary advice from someone who has been around a lot longer than you have.

And me saying ive been around people more dangerous than that snake is justification whether you like it or not.

just curious.... what type of people would you have to be around in order to own an eyelash viper?

[sickvenom]

Im often exposed to hots in my profession and have on multiple occasion chosen to handle them to limit exposure to my team and I do have a small amount of experience helping a friend with his hots is ther a reason you are so against it

not at all. what i'm opposed to, is some young kid getting a hot snake FIRST, and then having some indian guy come over to his house to show him how to 'handle' it. does that seem right to you? recipe for disaster.

[sickvenom]

Your joking right??? I see... So if someone pulled both these firearms on you and said im going to shoot you with one, which one would you prefer your response would be.... Either one there both just as deadly? Smart one.... Were you came up with this stupid statement i dont want to know...

i was just using your silly logic against you. did you see how i did that?

by the way, a bullet is a bullet. all calibers can cause death. just like all venomous snakes can cause death. are you learning anything yet?

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

anyways i dont mean to be negative, but in the end i dont care if you agree with what i do or not, your words are meaningless to me on the subject. If you have any "actual" advice other than assuming i shouldn't, have an animal, then id listen as long as its not about firearms... not to bright in that area i can see.. With your logic i would guess your against those to, there must be a strict code people have to adhere to in order to own one according to "YOUR" standards.

[Damion930]

Ah gottcha I can see your point it would probably be better to learn first

[sickvenom]

anyways i dont mean to be negative, but in the end i dont care if you agree with what i do or not, your words are meaningless to me on the subject.

so basically you'll only listen if it suites your needs. typical.

If you have any "actual" advice other than assuming i shouldn't, have an animal, then id listen

give up all of your pets.

as long as its not about firearms... not to bright in that area i can see..

explain.....

With your logic i would guess your against those to,

how so?

there must be a strict code people have to adhere to in order to own one according to "YOUR" standards.

actually, there is! don't get me wrong. i'm mainly concerned because people like YOU are making it hard for people like ME to have rights in this country.

[sickvenom]

Ah gottcha I can see your point it would probably be better to learn first

yes. not only that, but it should take YEARS of experience before one should even think of owning a hot. and even after that, it still isn't a good idea. in your situation you come across them during work. that is completely different.

i used to own hots. lots of hots. i smartened up and got rid of them all, even the rear fanged hots.

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

**** Censored.. do not talk that way or get banned*******

[sickvenom]

****Beeeep Beeeeep Beeeep ****.

you still haven't backed up anything you've said thus far. i suggest you stick around this place. you have a lot to learn and i sincerely hope you learn it.

by the way, you still have not answered any of my questions. it's been clear this whole time, that you're not ready to have a serious debate.

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

I don't have a point to prove so therefore i don't have any reason to debate... i didnt come to this website to debate, i didn't come to this website to have people point out the obvious like a venomous snake is dangerous, i didnt come to this website to learn unless i ask a question, i didn't come to this website to be told what i should and shouldn't own. Now if that's why your here do it with someone else, cause like i said i dont care what you have to say. Now i did come to this website to talk with people that share the same passion as mine. Your a little to concerned about what im doing buddy, notice how i dont ask you any questions about what pets you have or what you do? thats because i dont care. what you do in your life doesn't effect me in the slightest way. Your some random guy on the internet to all of us man... do you really think anyone takes you seriously? dont answer that, infact id prefer you didnt even reply. have a good night.

[sickvenom]

I don't have a point to prove so therefore i don't have any reason to debate... i didnt come to this website to debate, i didn't come to this website to have people point out the obvious like a venomous snake is dangerous, i didnt come to this website to learn unless i ask a question, i didn't come to this website to be told what i should and shouldn't own. Now if that's why your here do it with someone else, cause like i said i dont care what you have to say. Now i did come to this website to talk with people that share the same passion as mine. Your a little to concerned about what im doing buddy, notice how i dont ask you any questions about what pets you have or what you do? thats because i dont care. what you do in your life doesn't effect me in the slightest way. Your some random guy on the internet to all of us man... do you really think anyone takes you seriously? dont answer that, infact id prefer you didnt even reply. have a good night.

i laughed out loud at this. so you want to talk to people that share the same passion as you, yet you don't want to learn unless you ask a question?

[Lankyrob]

Isnt it typical that as soon as someone mentions owning hots they get abused :rolleyes:

Maybe it just time to give up on this forum as the amount of aggression seems to be rising and rising, i always thought this community was going to be passionate about the care of reptiles not abusi e to each other - that helps nobody at all :(

[NennaMeerkat]

Isnt it typical that as soon as someone mentions owning hots they get abused :rolleyes:

Maybe it just time to give up on this forum as the amount of aggression seems to be rising and rising, i always thought this community was going to be passionate about the care of reptiles not abusi e to each other - that helps nobody at all :(

I totally agree Lanky. It is getting harder and harder to ignore the REALLY harsh and rather close minded comments that are flying around. I mean "we" are driving people away by these rude comments! Here is a guy that has been wandering around the site and never posted...what happens when he decides to post for the first time? He gets yelled at for the snakes he decides to have.

To me he seemed like a pretty competent person from the different posts he made throughout the thread. And yet no matter what he did he still got blown down. It just isn't fair to these new people to meet such harsh feedback and responses right off the bat! I wouldn't be here anymore if I had been met with it.

And why should we have to put up with the rudeness and rather blunt way of putting things just because this is a public forum? Would we put up with it if someone started talking to us like that in real life? Especially from a complete stranger.

Can you tell this really pisses me off Lanky?

[sickvenom]

Isnt it typical that as soon as someone mentions owning hots they get abused :rolleyes:

no. but it is typical that ANY irresponsible animal keeper gets questioned as to acts of carelessness that could put people's lives in danger. why do you not agree?

Maybe it just time to give up on this forum as the amount of aggression seems to be rising and rising,

that is your choice.

i always thought this community was going to be passionate about the care of reptiles not abusi e to each other - that helps nobody at all :(

please show me where anyone was abused. if anyone was 'abused' it was myself for having obscene language flung at me. if he had stated his case like an adult, there wouldn't have been such an issue. the problem is - he had no valid case and he DIDN'T act like an adult.

lankyrob, do you think it's wise to come to a new forum, state you keep DEADLY reptiles, then proceed to publicly state that you have little to no experience, you had to have some indian guy come over to your house to show you how to 'handle' them, then comment that you're not afraid of your venomous snake. does that really sound like a responsible pet owner? or does it sound like someone who could use a little more education? the answer is obvious.

[marvelfreak]

Hello and Welcome! Beautiful carpet python. I love to see pictures of you other snakes. And please don't let you know who scare you off. There's actually a lot of nice helpful people here. Sorry to hear about our RTB.

[sickvenom]

I totally agree Lanky. It is getting harder and harder to ignore the REALLY harsh and rather close minded comments that are flying around.

please quote any close minded comments in this thread. please be specific.

I mean "we" are driving people away by these rude comments!

please speak for yourself and not for me.

Here is a guy that has been wandering around the site and never posted...what happens when he decides to post for the first time? He gets yelled at for the snakes he decides to have.

please quote where anyone got 'yelled' at. thank you.

he did not get 'yelled' at for the snakes he decides to have. if that is all you got from the conversation, then you weren't paying attention.

To me he seemed like a pretty competent person from the different posts he made throughout the thread.

yes, the cursing and non-logical justification really made him sound like a genius.

And yet no matter what he did he still got blown down. It just isn't fair to these new people to meet such harsh feedback and responses right off the bat!

if i'm being completely honest here - he sounded like an idiot. have you ever owned anything that could kill someone?

I wouldn't be here anymore if I had been met with it.

that is you. not everyone would react as you would.

And why should we have to put up with the rudeness and rather blunt way of putting things just because this is a public forum?

because it IS a public forum. you free to stop reading any of these posts at any time.

Would we put up with it if someone started talking to us like that in real life? Especially from a complete stranger.

this IS real life.

Can you tell this really pisses me off Lanky?

you should be pissed off. irresponsible pet owners piss me off as well. especially those who do not respect what they have.

[ilovemypets1988]

i was just using your silly logic against you. did you see how i did that?

by the way, a bullet is a bullet. all calibers can cause death. just like all venomous snakes can cause death. are you learning anything yet?

this is not true at all and in the slightest, take for example the british adder, that is venomous but can it cause death via its bite......no it cant, the venom is not deadly as a general term, the venom is only deadly if someone is allergic to it as with western hognose and there are some other venomous snakes that i can mention aswell but the fact is im not going to as theres no point.

as for never needing to handle a hot, maybe not in captivity but there maybe a day when your in another country where they have venomous snakes such as cobras or others for that matter, and if sed snake goes near a child, your telling me that if handling the snake can stop a child from dieing, im sorry but if anyday i needed to put myself between my child and a hot, then i would without hesitation and i would try to get that snake as far away from my child as possible and if that means handling it, then so be it

[sassy_snake_lady]

this is not true at all and in the slightest, take for example the british adder, that is venomous but can it cause death via its bite......no it cant, the venom is not deadly as a general term, the venom is only deadly if someone is allergic to it as with western hognose and there are some other venomous snakes that i can mention aswell but the fact is im not going to as theres no point.


Erm yes it can if you are allergic. As you yourself said. So yes, this snake can kill. :confused: So the Adder, a venemous snake CAN cause death.

SV didn't say their bite can kill, he said they can CAUSE death!

[sickvenom]

SV didn't say their bite can kill, he said they can CAUSE death!

exactly. and for those who think i am 'nit picking,' i'm not. a lot of deaths from snake bites (yes, even copperheads) are actually from anaphylactic shock, allergic reactions to venom or antivenin, heart attacks, etc.

i tried to use a bullet analogy, but that went way over the head's of some people here. point is - a venomous snake is a venomous snake. it doesn't matter how toxic its venom is, bites from ALL venomous snakes can lead to death.

[ilovemypets1988]

Erm yes it can if you are allergic. As you yourself said. So yes, this snake can kill. :confused: So the Adder, a venemous snake CAN cause death.

SV didn't say their bite can kill, he said they can CAUSE death!

so can every animal for that matter, an allergic reaction can kill no matter what animal caused it, my point was that we shouldnt condemn venous snakes becoz they could cause death as so can every other snake and animal.

[sickvenom]

so can every animal for that matter, an allergic reaction can kill no matter what animal caused it, my point was that we shouldnt condemn venous snakes becoz they could cause death as so can every other snake and animal.

now you're just being silly.

[sassy_snake_lady]

so can every animal for that matter, an allergic reaction can kill no matter what animal caused it, my point was that we shouldnt condemn venous snakes becoz they could cause death as so can every other snake and animal.

Wow, I didn't know that. So if someone is allergic to dog hair for example and they stroke a dog and have an allergic reaction they could die?

Guess you learn something new everyday. :confused:

So, how could my cornsnake kill me, what would I have to be allergic to that would cause death?

Anyway, back on topic, I forget to say to the OP, welcome to the forum :)

[shaunyboy]

hello and welcome

i'm lovin your coastal carpet and your tatoo

i'm a tad biast on both subjects though mate
http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq17/spilota01/diamond%20tank/junjag002.jpg

cheers shaun

[shaunyboy]

Isnt it typical that as soon as someone mentions owning hots they get abused :rolleyes:

Maybe it just time to give up on this forum as the amount of aggression seems to be rising and rising, i always thought this community was going to be passionate about the care of reptiles not abusi e to each other - that helps nobody at all :(

don't let the idiots make you leave the forum rob as far as i can see its just 1 member and his sheep like follower that seem to think they can come on here and badger folk into their way opf thinking with agressive argumentative posts that are only possible because they twist peoples words

hell the two of them tried to pull me up on the computer thread for NOT USING ENOUGH COMA'S

just ignore them mate they really are NOT worth the effort

to the op
you are NOT 1 of the 2 people i mention

cheers shaun

[sickvenom]

don't let the idiots make you leave the forum rob as far as i can see its just 1 member and his sheep like follower that seem to think they can come on here and badger folk into their way opf thinking with agressive argumentative posts that are only possible because they twist peoples words

hell the two of them tried to pull me up on the computer thread for NOT USING ENOUGH COMA'S

just ignore them mate they really are NOT worth the effort

to the op
you are NOT 1 of the 2 people i mention

cheers shaun

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/general-discussion/86517-suggestion-ultra-sensitive-members-our-forum.html#post605126

[shaunyboy]

I totally agree Lanky. It is getting harder and harder to ignore the REALLY harsh and rather close minded comments that are flying around. I mean "we" are driving people away by these rude comments! Here is a guy that has been wandering around the site and never posted...what happens when he decides to post for the first time? He gets yelled at for the snakes he decides to have.

To me he seemed like a pretty competent person from the different posts he made throughout the thread. And yet no matter what he did he still got blown down. It just isn't fair to these new people to meet such harsh feedback and responses right off the bat! I wouldn't be here anymore if I had been met with it.

And why should we have to put up with the rudeness and rather blunt way of putting things just because this is a public forum? Would we put up with it if someone started talking to us like that in real life? Especially from a complete stranger.

Can you tell this really pisses me off Lanky?

go look at the thread on the brb changing colour at night and you will see the same guy trying to pull me up over a lot of crap

then go to the computer thread and you will see the same guy and his sheep like follower pulling me up for not using enough coma's

yet if you look at the quality of their posts/threads it becomes apparant quite quickly that these folk seem to be more interested in petty reactions than discussing reptiles like educated people

i would be dissapointed in any regular on here that let them put you off coming on here.(aimed at everyone not any 1 member)

we have a good pollite helpfull community on here please don't let a few newbie's spoil it for others that may want to join and seek fellow like minded people

cheers shaun

[shaunyboy]

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/general-discussion/86517-suggestion-ultra-sensitive-members-our-forum.html#post605126


its got naff all to do with being sensitive mate

we have a good community here and we don't need folk like you trying to pick holes in peoples posts just for the reaction

me i can take anything you or your wee pal can throw at me

our new members don't need it though .....!!!

cheers shaun

[sickvenom]

go look at the thread on the brb changing colour at night and you will see the same guy trying to pull me up over a lot of crap

then go to the computer thread and you will see the same guy and his sheep like follower pulling me up for not using enough coma's

yet if you look at the quality of their posts/threads it becomes apparant quite quickly that these folk seem to be more interested in petty reactions than discussing reptiles like educated people

i would be dissapointed in any regular on here that let them put you off coming on here.(aimed at everyone not any 1 member)

we have a good pollite helpfull community on here please don't let a few newbie's spoil it for others that may want to join and seek fellow like minded people

cheers shaun

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/general-discussion/86517-suggestion-ultra-sensitive-members-our-forum.html#post605126

[sickvenom]

its got naff all to do with being sensitive mate

we have a good community here and we don't need folk like you trying to pick holes in peoples posts

me i can take anything you or your wee pal can throw at me

our new members don't need it though .....!!!

cheers shaun

i am not your mate. please stop referring to me as such. thank you.

[sickvenom]

go look at the thread on the brb changing colour at night and you will see the same guy trying to pull me up over a lot of crap

oh, you mean the thread where you INCORRECTLY claimed that your snakes do the SAME THING as a brb, even though they don't? the same thread where i pointed out your mistake and you still became defensive, even though you were wrong? i remember that thread.

then go to the computer thread and you will see the same guy and his sheep like follower pulling me up for not using enough coma's

i have sheep? wish i had known that before. and it's 'comas' not 'coma's.'


yet if you look at the quality of their posts/threads it becomes apparant quite quickly that these folk seem to be more interested in petty reactions than discussing reptiles like educated people

yeah, let's talk about quality posts. i have given out more accurate advice in the past 2 weeks then you have your entire time here! yes, i did read your past posts. mostly banter and chit chat. this is a funny statement coming from someone who admits to only knowing about carpet pythons. you are quit the funny character shaunyboy!

[shaunyboy]

i am not your mate. please stop referring to me as such. thank you.

perfectly correct your a petty little bully boy who loves to s**t stir and tell us all how we're so thick that your incredible posts go right over our heads

if the above is the best reply to my post you could muster then your not as clever as you seem to think you are MATE ...!!

i'm finished wasting any more time argueing with you about irrelevant crap,so have a nice day

cheers shaun

[sickvenom]

perfectly correct your a petty little bully boy who loves to s**t stir and tell us all how we're so thick that your incredible posts go right over our heads

well, some of my posts DO go right over your heads! you guys are so set in your (wrong) ways, that you aren't open to discussion. you get defensive like a little kid. by the way, it's 'you're' not 'your.'

if the above is the best reply to my post you could muster then your not as clever as you seem to think you are MATE ...!!

i didn't know it was a competition for the 'best' reply?


i'm finished wasting any more time argueing with you about irrelevant crap,so have a nice day

arguing.

do you have anger management issues in your home life as well? just curious. i find it odd that NONE of you have touched on any of my questions or comments regarding your attacks and LIES. if you are going to make accusations (incorrect ones at that), then be a MAN and back up those accusations. if not, you just look like a coward who likes to sling mud and then run away. in the end one thing will remain true - i have given better advice than both of you combined. you just have personal issues with me that cloud your vision. not my problem.

[ilovemypets1988]

well, some of my posts DO go right over your heads! you guys are so set in your (wrong) ways, that you aren't open to discussion. you get defensive like a little kid. by the way, it's 'you're' not 'your.'



i didn't know it was a competition for the 'best' reply?




arguing.

do you have anger management issues in your home life as well? just curious. i find it odd that NONE of you have touched on any of my questions or comments regarding your attacks and LIES. if you are going to make accusations (incorrect ones at that), then be a MAN and back up those accusations. if not, you just look like a coward who likes to sling mud and then run away. in the end one thing will remain true - i have given better advice than both of you combined. you just have personal issues with me that cloud your vision. not my problem.

who exactly do u mean by both of you

[sickvenom]

who exactly do u mean by both of you

not you! i was referring to shaunyboy and lankyrob. they like to attack me for 'attacking' others. weird, huh?

[whoaxmary]

. .. Kay, I stopped reading on the second page...

But to the OP->
Welcome to the forum, :D hope the cival war doesn't scare you off. Everyone has very strong opinions it seems! But with so many opinions it's a great spot to learn. there are people who want to see the pictures of your other two, and I wouldn't mind myself, so you should share. :)

[infernalis]

Don't even know what to say.. Gimmie xanax.

"Mate" is UK slang for friend Matt. It's all about the culture of the people.

Expect that from Australians as well.

If someone is posting clearly dangerous practices, then it should get pointed out. Remember RandyRhodes' first go round. Everyone here tore into that guy over his rattlesnakes.

Now he's a lot more receptive to what is being said.

[infernalis]

KD35WIN.AS.ONE - I deleted your post telling Matt off, it's not rocket science to figure out what words belong here ****

I have to agree with sickvenom, your practices could give false security to people, and it is dangerous to just post to a group of people that it is acceptable.

I'm not judging you, just your information.

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

Id like to take the time to say thanks to everyone that posted, I could see before i originally posted this, that this was a good community. In fact only then did i decide to post this. Shaunyboy, thanks he is the most curious snake ive ever owned, and he has great personality. As for the tattoos ive had them sense i was very young, so the quality on most isnt very good. hahah, but i still enjoy them and plan to get more. The snake in your picture is awesome, i can tell its a carpet python of some sort, what kind exactly?

[sickvenom]

Id like to take the time to say thanks to everyone that posted, I could see before i originally posted this, that this was a good community. In fact only then did i decide to post this.

it's only as good as the advice that's given, and how well that advice is accepted. welcome aboard.

[shaunyboy]

[quote=sickvenom;605143]well, some of my posts DO go right over your heads! you guys are so set in your (wrong) ways, that you aren't open to discussion. you get defensive like a little kid. by the way, it's 'you're' not 'your.'

1.there you go again making assumptions that we're are wrong and not open to suggestions FEEL FREE TO POINT OUT WHERE I AM GOING WRONG OR SET IN MY OLD WAYS REGARDS MORELIA.
2.i fail to see why your so hung up on grammer and punctuation ?



i didn't know it was a competition for the 'best' reply?

1.again you twist words who said it wa a competition i merely said if thats the best/most produtive answer you can give then .....




arguing.

do you have anger management issues in your home life as well? just curious. i find it odd that NONE of you have touched on any of my questions or comments regarding your attacks and LIES. if you are going to make accusations (incorrect ones at that), then be a MAN and back up those accusations. if not, you just look like a coward who likes to sling mud and then run away. in the end one thing will remain true - i have given better advice than both of you combined. you just have personal issues with me that cloud your vision. not my problem.i1.i fail to see what my home life has to do with a snake forum but i'll humor you...

1.been with my wife 29 years married 23 years this coming july.we have 4 kids and 4 grandkids all are happy and well i or they suffer from no anger issues

i will check your previous post to see what attacks and lies you are reffering to because i am no coward mate

if you go over every post i've made on this forum you will find its only you and your posting style i have issues with

as said previously i ain't going to lose any sleep over some arrogant guy who hides behind a keyboard

its getting a tad boring explaining the meaning of my posts even to someone as omniscient as you

cheers shaun
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[shaunyboy]

Id like to take the time to say thanks to everyone that posted, I could see before i originally posted this, that this was a good community. In fact only then did i decide to post this. Shaunyboy, thanks he is the most curious snake ive ever owned, and he has great personality. As for the tattoos ive had them sense i was very young, so the quality on most isnt very good. hahah, but i still enjoy them and plan to get more. The snake in your picture is awesome, i can tell its a carpet python of some sort, what kind exactly?

the only way to really know the genetics involved in your carpet is to ask the guy that bred it

that said if i had to name it i'd say it has the charecteristics of the coastal carpet python (morelia spilota mcdowelli )

my ink is very old as well matew not a patch on the tattoo's today

cheers shaun

[sickvenom]

1.there you go again making assumptions that we're are wrong and not open to suggestions FEEL FREE TO POINT OUT WHERE I AM GOING WRONG OR SET IN MY OLD WAYS REGARDS MORELIA.

i never said you were, regarding carpet pythons. don't put words in my mouth.

2.i fail to see why your so hung up on grammer and punctuation ?

1. without proper grammar and spelling, it makes it difficult for one to read your very IMPORTANT posts.

2. you should have learned this stuff in the 3rd grade. so you're really only making yourself look bad.

1.again you twist words who said it wa a competition i merely said if thats the best/most produtive answer you can give then .....

YOU are the one who mentioned coming up with the BEST reply. i didn't twist your words. you just get so confused, you really have no idea if you're coming or going.

this is your exact quote....

if the above is the best reply to my post

[whoaxmary]

Right. As someone who is basically a newb myself I can't help but speak up a bit - and I hope I don't get trampled on for it.
The argueing between memebers seems rediculous. How is anyone supposed to come here and learn when two memebers are going at each other rather than focus on the issue at hand.... Give this guy some advice rather than scareing him off- or else you'll have a hot owner who won't be here reading about other peoples expeirences or be able to learn anything from you. Clearly he has no plans to get rid of his pets, so wouldn't it be better to keep him around so he can learn some more instead of making it seem like we all care more about grammar and personal stabs than helping other snake owners. It would be lovely if every topic could be sugar coated, but clearly with something like hot owning, sugar coating will just make the person feel they've made no error. I mean, come on, even Wayne didn't step on this one cause clearly the guy needs to here it. But he doesn't need to hear any of us go at each other. ;/

[shaunyboy]

i never said you were, regarding carpet pythons. don't put words in my mouth.



1. without proper grammar and spelling, it makes it difficult for one to read your very IMPORTANT posts.

2. you should have learned this stuff in the 3rd grade. so you're really only making yourself look bad.



YOU are the one who mentioned coming up with the BEST reply. i didn't twist your words. you just get so confused, you really have no idea if you're coming or going.

this is your exact quote....

this is getting old mate

we get it you like twisting folks words picking up on grammar and spelling issues

i NEVER said my posts were important helpfull maybe and a half way decent contribution to the forum but never important i would never be so arrogant unlike some.also no one to date has complained about being unable to understand my posts and the way i write them (funny that)

you have no idea of my education or how it came about.i'm fairly sure members on here read my posts for carpet python information which is always good information.so i fail to see why a few spelling mistakes or bad punctuation would make my information or me look bad

YES i did use the word BEST so for your benifit replace the word best with the words most productive and you should be nice and happy

cheers shaun

[ilovemypets1988]

Right. As someone who is basically a newb myself I can't help but speak up a bit - and I hope I don't get trampled on for it.
The argueing between memebers seems rediculous. How is anyone supposed to come here and learn when two memebers are going at each other rather than focus on the issue at hand.... Give this guy some advice rather than scareing him off- or else you'll have a hot owner who won't be here reading about other peoples expeirences or be able to learn anything from you. Clearly he has no plans to get rid of his pets, so wouldn't it be better to keep him around so he can learn some more instead of making it seem like we all care more about grammar and personal stabs than helping other snake owners. It would be lovely if every topic could be sugar coated, but clearly with something like hot owning, sugar coating will just make the person feel they've made no error. I mean, come on, even Wayne didn't step on this one cause clearly the guy needs to here it. But he doesn't need to hear any of us go at each other. ;/

i totally agree with you here, the bickering has got to stop for others to get the advice they require to 1 day save there lives. How is argueing gunna help anyone apart from point scoring, this is by no means a competition. so lets not act like it is.

[sickvenom]

Clearly he has no plans to get rid of his pets, so wouldn't it be better to keep him around so he can learn some more

which is exactly what i suggested he do.

instead of making it seem like we all care more about grammar and personal stabs than helping other snake owners.

talk to shaunyboy about that.


It would be lovely if every topic could be sugar coated, but clearly with something like hot owning, sugar coating will just make the person feel they've made no error. I mean, come on, even Wayne didn't step on this one cause clearly the guy needs to here it. But he doesn't need to hear any of us go at each other. ;/

exactly. i believe i made my point last night. the problems started when shaunyboy and lankyrob decided to step in without reading the entire thread.

[sickvenom]

i totally agree with you here, the bickering has got to stop for others to get the advice they require to 1 day save there lives. How is argueing gunna help anyone apart from point scoring, this is by no means a competition. so lets not act like it is.

hear that shaunyboy? it's not a competition. it's about spreading correct and responsible information.

[shaunyboy]

oh, you mean the thread where you INCORRECTLY claimed that your snakes do the SAME THING as a brb, even though they don't? the same thread where i pointed out your mistake and you still became defensive, even though you were wrong? i remember that thread.



i have sheep? wish i had known that before. and it's 'comas' not 'coma's.'




yeah, let's talk about quality posts. i have given out more accurate advice in the past 2 weeks then you have your entire time here! yes, i did read your past posts. mostly banter and chit chat. this is a funny statement coming from someone who admits to only knowing about carpet pythons. you are quit the funny character shaunyboy!

your still too blinkered and stubborn to see what i was saying in the brb thread

do they both not change colour therefore "do the same thing "

not by the same method but they change colour non the less so in the most basic of terms they do the same thing

i never said it was done by the same proccess

re carpets
being a carpet enthusiast it would wrong of me to give out advice on other species.if i have not had hands on experience then i leave it to someone who has.

you say someone who admits to only knowing about carpets as if its a bad thing,thats your opinion to which you are entitled to mate.but morelia and their genetics ifs a fascinating subject and i see nothing wrong with specializing in one species.

i assume the above post i quoted from was the one you accused me of mud slinging on and cowardly actions ?

re you have given out more accurate advice over the last 2 weeks than my entire time here
YES YOU HAVE IF THIS WAS A PUNCTUATION AND GRAMMER FORUM

so thats everything been answered now.no?

cheers shaun

[sickvenom]

this is getting old mate

it's been old, but you keep sticking your nose in other's conversations. what do you expect? i'm not going to let you call me a bully when i'm just educating someone. you, yourself then turn into the real buly.

we get it you like twisting folks words picking up on grammar and spelling issues

more personal attacks from shaunyboy. incorrect personal attacks, at that.

i NEVER said my posts were important helpfull maybe and a half way decent contribution to the forum but never important i would never be so arrogant unlike some.also no one to date has complained about being unable to understand my posts and the way i write them (funny that)

so what? you've been called out. deal with it like an adult.

you have no idea of my education or how it came about.i'm fairly sure members on here read my posts for carpet python information which is always good information.so i fail to see why a few spelling mistakes or bad punctuation would make my information or me look bad

i'm not doubting your information on carpet pythons. you information has been spot on. the problem is - how are we to respect your opinion on carpets, when we can't even understand you?

the fact that people don't care about spelling and grammar just goes to show the state of this world.

[whoaxmary]

-does the happy dance-

[sickvenom]

your still too blinkered and stubborn to see what i was saying in the brb thread

i'm not stubborn. you were WRONG!! you said your snakes did the "SAME THING." i then corrected you and educated you. your snakes do not do the SAME THING as brbs. do yours white wall? NO!!!!!!!!!!!! are you really that dumb????

do they both not change colour therefore "do the same thing "

wow, it's like talking to a child. the topic at hand wasn't just changing color. it was about brbs that produce WHITE WALLS. your snakes do NOT PRODUCE WHITE WALLS, THEREFORE THEY DO NOT DO THE SAME THING.

not by the same method but they change colour non the less so in the most basic of terms they do the same thing

basic terms? i go on REAL terms, not just basic terms.

i never said it was done by the same proccess

but your own admission you said it was the SAME THING. so not you're saying it's not the same process? oh carpet master, please do explain this process!!! you are just contradicting yourself, making yourself look uneducated. haha.

the rest of your post doesn't matter because you've just lost all credibility and have become a joke. please expect me to reply to every post you make, correcting your asinine comments.

basic terms.... hahahaha.....

in basic terms, winning $25 in the lottery is the same thing as winning $25 million. money is money..... basic terms.

[shaunyboy]

it's been old, but you keep sticking your nose in other's conversations. what do you expect? i'm not going to let you call me a bully when i'm just educating someone. you, yourself then turn into the real buly.



more personal attacks from shaunyboy. incorrect personal attacks, at that.



so what? you've been called out. deal with it like an adult.



i'm not doubting your information on carpet pythons. you information has been spot on. the problem is - how are we to respect your opinion on carpets, when we can't even understand you?

the fact that people don't care about spelling and grammar just goes to show the state of this world.


dont try and turn this on me

you were the one who started this crap with me

i'll make it easy for you and spare the forum this crap,it ends here

chweers shaun

[ilovemypets1988]

sickvenom and shaunyboy how are you helping anyone by this bickering of yours, the fact that the subject of the thread has been blown out of the water by it, is discusting, what about members that see this post first and then see the fact that your BOTH trying to point score against 1 another or so it seems, so, let me ask you both a question (and only give a straight answer please) what are you both trying to prove apart from the fact that you both are more interested in argueing with each other than you are giving advice!!!!!!!!!!

[sassy_snake_lady]

sickvenom and shaunyboy how are you helping anyone by this bickering of yours, the fact that the subject of the thread has been blown out of the water by it, is discusting, what about members that see this post first and then see the fact that your BOTH trying to point score against 1 another or so it seems, so, let me ask you both a question (and only give a straight answer please) what are you both trying to prove apart from the fact that you both are more interested in argueing with each other than you are giving advice!!!!!!!!!!

Great way to keep this thread on topic! This has helped how? Why exactly do either of them have to answer to you?? :confused:

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

KD35WIN.AS.ONE - I deleted your post telling Matt off, it's not rocket science to figure out what words belong here ****

I have to agree with sickvenom, your practices could give false security to people, and it is dangerous to just post to a group of people that it is acceptable.

I'm not judging you, just your information.

That is understandable, my words should have been held in reserve, but im sure you understand when passionate about something things tend to get out of hand.

And by all means you are free to agree with who you want on the subject. I am not here to promote the owning of venomous but at the same time im not here to force my opinion's on anyone. In the end him assuming i should abandon my "pets" (notice he didnt say Copperhead, is an opinion). Not a fact, if it were a fact the State of South Carolina would intervene and clearly there not. If the state deems i am eligible to own one of these reptiles i will acknowledge that fact.

To Sickvenom :

Again i am open to any information you have regarding the ownership of hots, simply because you have more experience then i do. I read somewhere you had 10+ years. Now if you want to continue to assume i shouldn't own any then be my guest but keep it to yourself, and try not to loose any sleep over it. Also take into consideration i am going to school to work with these animals (both venomous and non venomous) so i am going to gain experience along the way. It is a dangerous profession but so is being a soldier in the United States Army, but im sure you wouldn't go as far to say that they should stop what there doing simply because its dangerous. I apologize for using profanity directed towards you, but none of your posts will change my mind on my ownership of dangerous animals.

[whoaxmary]

I've heard copperheads 'play dead' like hognoses but I can't find anything mentioning it online - so I don't think it's true... Just curious, thought I'd ask?

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

I've heard copperheads 'play dead' like hognoses but I can't find anything mentioning it online - so I don't think it's true... Just curious, thought I'd ask?

Ill speak on behalf of mine, he is always aware watching everything that goes on around him, its hard for me to see him lower his awareness and pretend to be dead. Ive never seen him do anything like that but that doesn't go to say he cant. I dont think its true either but im not really sure, i know in the wild the result to biting alot faster than other native snakes due to there lack of speed and threat displays. Kind of hard to visualize one give up all self defense and play dead ya know? I didnt know hognoses played dead, thats pretty cool.

[Damion930]

I've never understood why people that own hots have a tendency to think they are the only ones that do it right I understand that its serious and dangerous I get that ther is a way things should be done but when someone takes the plunge shouldn't the idea be to share and help he already has the snake and chances are he's not getting rid of it because some guy or( jerk in his eyes) on the net told him how stupid he was

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

Heres a few more pictures i found on my laptop 2 more of my CP and one of my BRB.


Outside in the flowers exploring
http://i55.tinypic.com/2hfudzs.jpg
More exploring on the deck furniture haha
http://i55.tinypic.com/2cmkshw.jpg
This ones alittle out of focus but its the only pic ive got of here on hand. (BRB)
http://i56.tinypic.com/o9eq6s.jpg

[sickvenom]

To Sickvenom :

Again i am open to any information you have regarding the ownership of hots, simply because you have more experience then i do. I read somewhere you had 10+ years. Now if you want to continue to assume i shouldn't own any then be my guest but keep it to yourself, and try not to loose any sleep over it. Also take into consideration i am going to school to work with these animals (both venomous and non venomous) so i am going to gain experience along the way. It is a dangerous profession but so is being a soldier in the United States Army, but im sure you wouldn't go as far to say that they should stop what there doing simply because its dangerous. I apologize for using profanity directed towards you, but none of your posts will change my mind on my ownership of dangerous animals.

i hope you stick around. lots to learn and you will (eventually) have some fun around here! yes, i was being harsh on you, but only because i didn't want you to have such a relaxed attitude towards a hot - whether it be a copperhead or a brown snake, venom is venom and it's all bad. i just want you to respect their power. if you do that, you are taking a step in the right direction. believe it or not, i was trying to look out for you and anyone else that may enter your household. i also applaud you for furthering your education in regards to these incredible animals we all love.

that being said.... i am glad you started off with a copperhead. while it is true that most bites do not end in death, and a lot of times no antivenin is administered, you never know how YOUR body will react to their venom.

in another thread i mentioned that i had kept venomoids for 10 years, but i have over 15 years total experience with hots. i no longer keep them. yes, everybody starts out somewhere, but it took me a good 5 years after even WANTING a hot, before i actually got one.

i accept you apology, thank you. i know you got carried away, as did i. when are we going to see photos?????

[sickvenom]

I've never understood why people that own hots have a tendency to think they are the only ones that do it right

i can't speak for anyone else, but i don't think owning hots is a good idea, period. i don't own hots and when i did, i constantly worried about liability issues and such.

I understand that its serious and dangerous I get that ther is a way things should be done but when someone takes the plunge shouldn't the idea be to share and help he already has the snake and chances are he's not getting rid of it because some guy or( jerk in his eyes) on the net told him how stupid he was

agreed. in this particular situation, i really took offense to KD35WIN.AS.ONE's 'lax approach, and his justification for owning a copperhead didn't really make sense. i lectured, informed and probed.... he stated nothing can change his mind. so be it. now we need to make sure he keeps himself and everyone else safe around his snake.

as odd as it may seem, it really is a rite of passage to own a hot. from what i can tell, there are very few here who own hots, therefore, i can understand certain behavior from myself or others may seem harsh or downright rude. it does with the territory.

[Lankyrob]

That carpet python is gorgeous - keep the pics coming!!!

[whoaxmary]

Carpet looks like quiet a long fellow.

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

i was being harsh on you, but only because i didn't want you to have such a relaxed attitude towards a hot -

I looked back on my first reply to you and i can see how you easily came to that conclusion. Me stating that i didnt fear the snake is a stretching of the truth, to explain further i dont fear it into comparison with a Black Mamba. Ive been around one in my life and i was so impressed with its unpredictability and ferociousness, that to be honest it made me fear more common venomous snakes less, which isnt a good thing ill admit. With that being said; in reality im much more uptight about safety, then i appear to be when writing a response on here.


in another thread i mentioned that i had kept venomoids for 10 years, but i have over 15 years total experience with hots. i no longer keep them. yes, everybody starts out somewhere, but it took me a good 5 years after even WANTING a hot, before i actually got one.

i accept you apology, thank you. i know you got carried away, as did i. when are we going to see photos?????


What venomoids did you own? Ive always been fascinated with them due to the awe factor of being able to get so close to something so dangerous (in its past) Did you ever handle them, like you would a colubrid?

I just finished school last week, im moving back home were my animals are kept this week. Its only a 35 min drive and one county over, so i was home every weekend to maintain them. I should have some pictures up of Him by the end of this week, or sooner cause i may have to come down for a job interview early this week.

[sickvenom]

What venomoids did you own?

i currently own some venomoids. i USED to own hots. i don't advertise what venomoids i keep. that's a whole 'nother heated discussion!

Ive always been fascinated with them due to the awe factor of being able to get so close to something so dangerous (in its past) Did you ever handle them, like you would a colubrid?

no way. they are still venomous species and they are still aggressive. not to mention, they still have fangs!

[Damion930]

Awsome glad to see you guys can come to terms of a sort. That carpet is very nice I like how lite it is I realy want one but I need to take a break from new animals before I bite off more than I can chew

[infernalis]

Closure.... nice.

[NennaMeerkat]

KD35WIN, I love your carpet...its HUGE! LOL I wish there was a better shot of your Rainbow. Their rainbow color when the sun hits them just right is amazing. Lucky that you have the room for two large-ish snakes!

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

i currently own some venomoids. i USED to own hots. i don't advertise what venomoids i keep. that's a whole 'nother heated discussion!

no way. they are still venomous species and they are still aggressive. not to mention, they still have fangs!

Yea that is understandable some people really do take offense to people obtaining venomoids. Sure its unnatural but its harmless to the snake if done right. And i respect your choice not to handle them, as your right they still are dangerous. Im not going to lie it would be a temptation to me haha.

[sickvenom]

Yea that is understandable some people really do take offense to people obtaining venomoids. Sure its unnatural but its harmless to the snake if done right. And i respect your choice not to handle them, as your right they still are dangerous. Im not going to lie it would be a temptation to me haha.

imo, the venomoid process is the same as sterilizing your cat or dog. i've seen it done first hand.

[Lankyrob]

imo, the venomoid process is the same as sterilizing your cat or dog. i've seen it done first hand.

Surely its more like removing your dog or cats teeth? A Sterilised animal can still fight/defend itself - a venomous snake with no venom has had its main source of defense/attack removed.

[ilovemypets1988]

this is for the record, i do not nor will i ever agree with taking venom apparatus out of any animal, its cruel and will always be unjustified in my opinion

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

imo, the venomoid process is the same as sterilizing your cat or dog. i've seen it done first hand.

That makes sense, i dont think id ever do it to a snake i owned but i would defiantly take one in. And like a few people said above me, the majority of people are against it.

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

KD35WIN, I love your carpet...its HUGE! LOL I wish there was a better shot of your Rainbow. Their rainbow color when the sun hits them just right is amazing. Lucky that you have the room for two large-ish snakes!

Thank you he/she is pretty long, I wish i knew the sex of it but im not really into sticking anything into that snake hahah. I plan to get an Albino Burmese at a Reptile show in Columbia, SC on June 18th.

[sickvenom]

Surely its more like removing your dog or cats teeth? A Sterilised animal can still fight/defend itself - a venomous snake with no venom has had its main source of defense/attack removed.

I wrote that the PROCESS was the same. As in, how the proceedure is performed. What you said is a fair analogy. However, keep in mind that venomoids are kept in captivity and do NOT need their venom to live a long, healthy life.

[infernalis]

That's a controversy I chose to back out of a long time ago.

[sickvenom]

That's a controversy I chose to back out of a long time ago.

I won't get involved in the ethics of venomoid, but I will educate people as to the facts. People can make up their own minds if they want to support it or not.

[belovedboas]

To OP welcome.........

[FoxxyAzn]

Eyyyy nice to meet cha

[infernalis]

Eyyyy nice to meet cha


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[NennaMeerkat]

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Infernalis you are awful!! LOL

[infernalis]

No just too old.

Eyyyyy immediately made me think of the Fonz.

[NennaMeerkat]

Trust me I thought of it as well...just didn't take the next step to post up a pixel picture of him XD

[belovedboas]

Sorry needed to be said, I guess argumentative was a better word.

[KD35WIN.AS.ONE]

Ive got a two questions, i didn't want to start a new thread over so i figured id ask them here sense i originally posted this.

1. How do i get a little picture by my name when i post like some people do? I hope that's a reasonable question, i just cant find where it would be.

2. I have a large Iris container about 5 1/2 feet long, that i was thinking about putting my CP in while i modified her current cage. How would you guys recommend i heat one of those? I am open for any idea's, i have an extra zoomed UTH that ive never used is there any way i could incorporate that into it? Like i said its only temporary..

Thanks in advance for anyone with ANY ideas.

[infernalis]

1. How do i get a little picture by my name when i post like some people do? I hope that's a reasonable question, i just cant find where it would be.
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It's called an avatar. The user control panel has a button labeled "modify avatar" click it and follow the instructions.

If that don't work out, send me the pic, I'll put it up for you.