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hey guys as you know hyprion was suffering from a RI recently. i finished his mes and he seemed fine for abt 3 weeks/1 month.. today i heard him weezing again.. i went to pick up more meds right away! All my temps are stable at 87 cool spot and 93 hot spot. humidity ranges between 65 to 80...now i rly dont know what im doing wrong.. some one help!! is it normal for this RI to be sooo persistant???
Here is recent pic for u guys :) hes pretty dark in this pic tho..
stephanbakir
04-19-11, 06:25 PM
Humidity isnt something you want to jump 20 points, snakes have a preferred humidity range and they generally like it stable.
Also, 6 degrees isn't a great temp gradient, i generally have at least a 10 degree difference.
After the RI stops being noticeable you should continue to administer the medication to the snake for a while, even after you stop noticing it it may still be there and take time to build back up.
ok so should i lower my cold spot or increase my hot spot? for the humidity the range is that high bc i mist him once or twice a day so its generally in the middle of those two numbers. 80 right when i mist and 60 if i havent misted that day( wich is kinda rare) any suggestion on how to stabilize humidity?
stephanbakir
04-19-11, 06:34 PM
What type of viv is he in now? What substrate do you use? Top or front opening? Where is the water bowl?
Regarding the perfect #'s for this snake im not the person to ask, i plan to own a boa constrictor but thats a plan for the future.
he is a glass terrarium ab 5ft long 2 feet wide and 2ft high top opening (wire lid) i know this kind of lid is not the best.. but im planning on buildin a wall unit for all 3 of my snakes in the near future. i use mulch for bedding (not pine nor cedar) its exoterra and made to hols humidity..(not very succesful) lol. I have a tub of water that has part of it under the heat lamp and the other part in the middle. i also have a smaller water dish on the cool side.
Glasgow Corns
04-19-11, 07:11 PM
the humidity of 50-60% is ideal for boas, and basking temp of 92 and cool end temp in the low 80s is what i use for mine. However for an RI if you raise the temps in the cool end to about 86 and 93 in the hot end and raise the humidity this will help the boa. The raised humidity and temps will make the mucous more waterry (possibly a made up word) and drain easier. and see your rep Vet
ive seen my vet already ive been making had at least five visits... to two different vets.. the first one screwed up on a bunch of things so i switched lol last visit was maybe a month and half ago and one today but without my boa. i really hope that this is gonna end soon cuz im about to go bankrupt :O im thinking of selling my ballpython because of all the bills :( not sure yet tho..
Did you get a culture and a trans-tracheal wash/swab done?
i did. the first vet i went to did one. there was a list of different bacterias.. the next vet i went to pinpointed the one that was making the snake sick. i had tried baytril with the first vet.. didnt work. the new vet gave me somthing else wich did work.. i guessing i just didnt do the treatment long enough
Hmm, I'm confused:
Here's why:
When you get a culture done, the swab that is removed from the snakes trachea/lung is rubbed all over a bunch of petri dishes, each one containing a single drug that is known to fight the different strains of bacterial infection.
These petri dishes are then put in an incubator for three days to "grow".
At the end of three days, one drug will stand out as the "kill all" drug.
That is the drug you will be prescribed.
Respirator yinfection gone.
"i had tried baytril with the first vet.. didnt work."
??? confusion.
Damion930
04-19-11, 11:53 PM
Ther is somtimes a less revealing culture done that let's the vet know ther is a bacterial infection but does not identify what medications to use. From ther the vet chooses what drugs to use. I wouldn't think its the best way for them to go but I belive its faster and less costly.
Lankyrob
04-20-11, 08:24 AM
In terms of humidity all my snakes that require it have a humidity cycle, in the wild there isnt constant humidity throughout the day so my guys have peaks and troughs also. It is usual for mornings and evening to be higher humidity and this is when i tend to mist.
shaunyboy
04-20-11, 08:35 AM
how long did the treatment last ?
it could be a case of you did not treat for long enough
also the ri could be secondery symptoms caused by something else like say an abcess on the lung
for starters i would take all non essentials out the tank and make it as sterile as possible leaving only its water bowl and its favorite hide i would replace the substrate with newspaper (don't know if newspaper works with boa's humidity levels or turns to mush as its only carpet pythons i keep)
if the vet has correctly identified the bacteria causing the problem i see no reason for treatment failing other than it required a longer period of treatment or a stronger drug needing to be used.
go back and see what the vet says
i hope you get it sorted out mate
cheers shaun
So in the OP its says you already pickedup more meds...if so keep using them for longer as stated you need to keep your temps high during this time. I dont think you should have the humidity up so high, you dont want your boa to be wet by any means. Be presistant at this bug!! There are other types of drugs to use Ive heard of baytril not always working :(
I'm not using baytril now. I domt have the lable with me so I can't tell u what it is precicely. The vet gavr me the same treatment as before (wich was a second treatment) but extended it. I now need to give 14 injections instead of ten. This will be my 3rd treatment. I will do this one and if it fails I will try to find a specialized vet and get to the bottom of it... do u guys think I should see the vet now or after this treatment? (Considering she is the one that suggested to try again with the same meds)d
Lankyrob
04-21-11, 05:46 AM
I think you said he was better after the first attempt but the RI came back? That kinda shows that you have the right meds but it needed slightly longer to solve the issue, i would finish the course and see what happens.
shaunyboy
04-21-11, 07:39 AM
I'm not using baytril now. I domt have the lable with me so I can't tell u what it is precicely. The vet gavr me the same treatment as before (wich was a second treatment) but extended it. I now need to give 14 injections instead of ten. This will be my 3rd treatment. I will do this one and if it fails I will try to find a specialized vet and get to the bottom of it... do u guys think I should see the vet now or after this treatment? (Considering she is the one that suggested to try again with the same meds)d
10 injections is not a very long period of treatment
its usually 21 injections per treatment over here (1 jag every 3 days)
i would wait and see how this treatment goes before going back to the vets mate
my vet always tells me with respiritory infections the snake can appear to get a lot worse before it gets better
let us know how you get on please
cheers shaun
Most of the injectables for RI's are prescribed every three days for 30 days.
So you're doing another course of the same antibiotic that DIDN'T work the first time, just longer?
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".
- Albert Einstein
Again, assuming you paid good money for an actual culture/swab (which quite frankly I'm beginning to doubt) the ANSWER as to which antibiotic will cure this RI is right in front of the vet.
shaunyboy
04-21-11, 08:58 AM
Most of the injectables for RI's are prescribed every three days for 30 days.
So you're doing another course of the same antibiotic that DIDN'T work the first time, just longer?
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".
- Albert Einstein
Again, assuming you paid good money for an actual culture/swab (which quite frankly I'm beginning to doubt) the ANSWER as to which antibiotic will cure this RI is right in front of the vet.
^^^^^
have to agree
if the vet has identified the exact bacterial cause of the respiritory infection then he should know exactley what treatment will sort it out
cheers shaun
Most of the injectables for RI's are prescribed every three days for 30 days.
So you're doing another course of the same antibiotic that DIDN'T work the first time, just longer?
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".
- Albert Einstein
Again, assuming you paid good money for an actual culture/swab (which quite frankly I'm beginning to doubt) the ANSWER as to which antibiotic will cure this RI is right in front of the vet.
I had done a swab the first vet visit with both my snakes. The vet that i had chosen was NOT a specialist and she screwed up the results (mixed up the snakes) TWICE! she forwarded all the results to the new vet so maybe they werent even done properly... im gonna finish this treatment wich is in all 14 injections (1 every 48hs) of tribrissen. If this doesnt work i will just start over and ask for another swab test...
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