Newest Additions, Looking For Opinions

[lilwyandry]

Alrighty, I googled Carpet Python Forums and this is where I was sent, so here I am hoping this is a nice active spot to plop down and throw Carpet ideas back and forth. :) We currently have six, just acquiring the newest two yesterday, with 14 in the incubator. I'm looking for opinions, since this was our first search for 'designer' carpets. :)

'Chanel' - JungleXDiamond Cross
I don't know much about Diamond Crosses, but she just jumped out at me, she was lumped in with an IJ and a bunch of Jungle's and she was the one.
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/207129_10150162534398857_720658856_6823975_4557578 _n.jpg

'Prada' - Hi Yellow Jungle MalexAverage Coastal Female
Her and her clutch mates were sheer poppers and the Jag potential was amazing. I didn't know stuff like this could come out of Coastals. Personal opinions on where she's headed and whether or not they were worth the investment?
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/199166_10150162535828857_720658856_6823984_5148261 _n.jpg

They're both about 20 inches long and eating f/t rat pinks. :)

[infernalis]

Welcome aboard, yep we have a large Morelia member base.

http://www.thamfriends.com/mat.jpg

[marvelfreak]

Hello and welcome! Beautiful snakes Congrats! We love to see pictures of your other Carpets. And yea we have quite a few Carpet python lovers on here. Even a couple breeders.

[emilie]

hi! welcome

[Freebody]

Welcome to the forum :) nice little guy you got their. this is a great forum, you will like it here, with the rest of us morelia addicts lol

[ineedsoap16]

Good to have another carpet person on board!

Ryan

[Max713]

I think there's just as many carpet owners as ball owners around here... welcome!

As for being a worthy investment, I can't say, although I can say they both look fantastic! I'd really like to see the Coastal as an adult, she's gorgeous!

[Nektu]

Nice carpets there. I think, personally, they were good investments. Especially the JungleXDiamond Cross. You could probably feed them FT hoppers. Maybe even a couple at a time, judging from the size of them.

[radstusky]

Welcome and those both look really nice. I have a jungle carpet diamond cross also about the same size. Where'd you get them?

[lilwyandry]

We picked them up at the Manchester Reptile Expo this weekend. I'm really excited to see where Prada is headed, she's popping crazy colors for being so young. Chanel we picked up because she looks just like another male that we have (the one that bred this year). I'll try and get some pictures of the other four at some point this week, though Wayne (the 9 foot dunno what he/she is) is a little hard to photograph. Maybe I'll throw him on the bed or something. :P Thanks for all the welcomes!

[percey39]

Hello and welcome to the forum. There is many morelia addicts here! They are a great species to keep. Both look good from the pics posted, the jungle/diamond cross looks to have a very bright yellow for such a young snake and will be very interesting to see where it will end up with the clean lines and clean colours. The jungle/coastal cross looks great as well, love the clean head marking!!!! Coastals have some great morphs going over here at the moment and i can only imagine how far ahead you guy's are with the crosses ( as crossing snakes has only really been legalized in one state now for just over a year, but that does not mean it hasnt been done prior to this! ). There some insane striped coastals here as well as some awesome looking caramels too. People often underestimate the beauty of coastals!!!!
I look forward to seeing the progression of both of these two!

[lilwyandry]

@percey39 Could you elaborate on the 'legalization' of crossbreeding the pythons? I didn't know there was any sort of legislation behind it.

I'll try and nab pictures of the other four, as we need help potentially identifying what locale they may be too. We've got rough ideas and a lot of them we just kind of fell into, but it would be nice to have an idea of what we should be labeling this years babies as. :)

[stephanbakir]

He lives across the ocean, and might have different laws.

[Swan]

You are fine with cross breeding different types of pythons in the states. It is frowned upon by some enthusiests, but is legal. Just google cross breeding pythons or cross breeding carpet pythons. I cant remeber what site it was but it listed the different crosses that have already been done. one of my favorites is the woma python bred to a ball python (not a woma ball, a woma python). The most trouble you'll have is sombody bad mouthing the cross breeding, nothing leagal.

[percey39]

@percey39 Could you elaborate on the 'legalization' of crossbreeding the pythons? I didn't know there was any sort of legislation behind it.

Not a problem. Over here in Australia it was illegal to cross breed species, the only cross was the intergrades ( diamond to coastal ) as people could just breed these as there is no way to tell if they were origally intergrade pairings. The laws on cross breeding in the state of Victoria are still very clear that there is to be no cross breeding, but the crosses can be imported from other states. The only state i know where it is legal to cross breed is in NSW ( there may possibly be one other state but im not 100% sure ). This was mainly started to stop the impact that could be caused on wild populations if they were ever to find their way into the wild. The logic is sane as there could be adverse impacts on wild populations being over come with crosses and then the possible risk of losing pure native populations.

[red ink]

Not a problem. Over here in Australia it was illegal to cross breed species, the only cross was the intergrades ( diamond to coastal ) as people could just breed these as there is no way to tell if they were origally intergrade pairings. The laws on cross breeding in the state of Victoria are still very clear that there is to be no cross breeding, but the crosses can be imported from other states. The only state i know where it is legal to cross breed is in NSW ( there may possibly be one other state but im not 100% sure ). This was mainly started to stop the impact that could be caused on wild populations if they were ever to find their way into the wild. The logic is sane as there could be adverse impacts on wild populations being over come with crosses and then the possible risk of losing pure native populations.

Percey.. sorry mate I'm certainly not rying to start an argument with a fellow aussie bloke... BUT (yep there's a but).

I was having a discussion with a mate about the impending changes the federales are proposing in regards to our schedule. It's about the recognition of sub-species here in Vic of the Morelia family. As I'm sure your well aware all carpets fall under the one species code, mcdowelli, cheynei, variegata etc. Technically according to them they are just carpets so when you breed say variegata to cheynei you would record it under the blanket code..... Caught me blindside as well when he explained it like that as I have always thought it was illegal but according to our record system it's not (by their own stupidity). They are all just carpets to them and recorded under species no. 2969. :eek:

[stephanbakir]

Wtb a balltic, lol

[percey39]

Percey.. sorry mate I'm certainly not rying to start an argument with a fellow aussie bloke... BUT (yep there's a but).

I was having a discussion with a mate about the impending changes the federales are proposing in regards to our schedule. It's about the recognition of sub-species here in Vic of the Morelia family. As I'm sure your well aware all carpets fall under the one species code, mcdowelli, cheynei, variegata etc. Technically according to them they are just carpets so when you breed say variegata to cheynei you would record it under the blanket code..... Caught me blindside as well when he explained it like that as I have always thought it was illegal but according to our record system it's not (by their own stupidity). They are all just carpets to them and recorded under species no. 2969. :eek:

Haha no drams mate, would never take offence!! I understand the species codes all being recognised as basic as morelia ( also asks for their common name too but thats no issue either! ). To my understanding its not illegal to own hybrids here in Victoria, but i know that you are not allowed to cross breed at all! This to means if say you have an inspection called by the DSE and they find you have two different sub-species ( ie and a jungle and say a bredli ) in the same enclosure at breeding season that this can be called for as attempting/intent to cross breed. Under our legal system with our private wildlife license the way it is, this can be classed a complete disregard to the rules in place on our licenses. It could also in a worst case scenario lead to the revoking of your license and animals, tanks and all accessories with zero compensation for all your losses! Most likely you would be given a severe warning, a mark against your name in their system or a fine.

I understand that if you do breed crosses and then sell them on through the loop hole you have mentioned that 99.9% of the time there will be absolutely no reprocutions, but is it worth the chance of losing everything you own and never being able to retain the private wildlife license ever again?

I too dont want you to take this the wrong way mate, but to me the negatives far out weigh any possitives for us Victorian keepers in regards to cross breeding ( ie losing your license, possible large fines and the loss of all animals and equipment )

[red ink]

Haha no drams mate, would never take offence!! I understand the species codes all being recognised as basic as morelia ( also asks for their common name too but thats no issue either! ). To my understanding its not illegal to own hybrids here in Victoria, but i know that you are not allowed to cross breed at all! This to means if say you have an inspection called by the DSE and they find you have two different sub-species ( ie and a jungle and say a bredli ) in the same enclosure at breeding season that this can be called for as attempting/intent to cross breed. Under our legal system with our private wildlife license the way it is, this can be classed a complete disregard to the rules in place on our licenses. It could also in a worst case scenario lead to the revoking of your license and animals, tanks and all accessories with zero compensation for all your losses! Most likely you would be given a severe warning, a mark against your name in their system or a fine.

I understand that if you do breed crosses and then sell them on through the loop hole you have mentioned that 99.9% of the time there will be absolutely no reprocutions, but is it worth the chance of losing everything you own and never being able to retain the private wildlife license ever again?

I too dont want you to take this the wrong way mate, but to me the negatives far out weigh any possitives for us Victorian keepers in regards to cross breeding ( ie losing your license, possible large fines and the loss of all animals and equipment )

No worries mate... crosses or hybrids aren't my cup of tea either. Though I can appreciate the beauty of some of the crosses. My collection will be forever hybrid/cross free. I totally agree as well with the negatives out weighing the well lack of positives really in this case (IMO).

[shaunyboy]

Haha no drams mate, would never take offence!! I understand the species codes all being recognised as basic as morelia ( also asks for their common name too but thats no issue either! ). To my understanding its not illegal to own hybrids here in Victoria, but i know that you are not allowed to cross breed at all! This to means if say you have an inspection called by the DSE and they find you have two different sub-species ( ie and a jungle and say a bredli ) in the same enclosure at breeding season that this can be called for as attempting/intent to cross breed. Under our legal system with our private wildlife license the way it is, this can be classed a complete disregard to the rules in place on our licenses. It could also in a worst case scenario lead to the revoking of your license and animals, tanks and all accessories with zero compensation for all your losses! Most likely you would be given a severe warning, a mark against your name in their system or a fine.

I understand that if you do breed crosses and then sell them on through the loop hole you have mentioned that 99.9% of the time there will be absolutely no reprocutions, but is it worth the chance of losing everything you own and never being able to retain the private wildlife license ever again?

I too dont want you to take this the wrong way mate, but to me the negatives far out weigh any possitives for us Victorian keepers in regards to cross breeding ( ie losing your license, possible large fines and the loss of all animals and equipment )

its a bit of a conundrum in ozz mate

the last thing i or anyone else wants is for pure species to disapear or be corrupted

that said the beauty in some of these crosses are simply breath taking

so i think it will have to be down to strict management and responsible breeders to make certain things carry on at a safe pace

i keep both pure and morphs but i don't have the worry you folks do of corrupting mother nature due to an escaped snake

i really hope it all works out for ozzy keepers and the wildlife as its such a wonderfull place you live

cheers shaun