Rescued a pair of albino burms - eye/skin infection?

[maitre]

So a friend contacted me last week saying his buddy has a pair of albino burmese pythons he can't care for anymore, and asked if I wanted them. Of course, I say yes. Anyways, I went to pick them up today and they looked like a mess. The owner said they just had mites but he treated them (don't know how). He said if I wanted them, I could have them for free. I couldn't stand leaving them under his care so I brought them home, treated them with Nix, and put them in quarantine.

They look pretty rough. I'm pretty sure they both have fungal infections around their eyes; as well as some type of scale condition.

This is what their eyes look like:
http://i.imgur.com/caIJt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/9l1Dc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/56T1g.jpg

Yeah.. looks pretty bad.

That's not the end of it. Their scales are discoloured as well. Upon close inspection, many of the scales have gone black at the tips/edges and some look 'eaten away.' I'm not sure if this is caused by the mites but here's a photo of the scales:

http://i.imgur.com/Qku1g.jpg

The curious thing is they aren't underweight nor do they seem dehydrated. It's really just the scales around the eyes and the discoloured scales all over the body.

Can anyone provide some tips on how to treat these guys? I plan on using polysporin (triple antibiotic) and lamasil (anti-fungal) on the scales surrounding their eyes. I haven't decided how to treat the scales on their body yet.

I can't really afford a vet at the moment because I didn't even plan on taking in a couple burms.. however, I will if I absolutely have to. Has anyone been able to treat these symptoms on their own before?

[Lankyrob]

Well done for rescuing them, never seen eyes like that before so cant really help but will be interested to see how you deal with it and how they get on, please keep us upidated.

[lukelightwalker]

Sorry I know nothing about snakes so can't help with treating them however I did want to say good for you for taking on what looks like a bit of a tough rescue. People like you don't get enough praise and credit for the love you spread.

My roomate however does know quite a bit about snakes and thinks it is a serious mite problem that should be taken care of by a Vet soon. It is too hard to tell by the pictures. If you use lamasil around the eyes she says to water it down by 50%. If it is mites there is a chance of stargazers which will be a death sentence.

Walker and Charlene

[Jendee]

Good for you for getting them out of there!! Im not sure what the eye thing is..i might say stuck eye caps?? or it could be just from the mites. Would like to keep updated though, very pretty :)

[presspirate]

It does look like the eye caps could be stuck, they look a little cloudy. As for the scales, it almost looks as if there are still mites on the poor critters. I'd put them on newspaper for awhile, and try the polysporin around the eyes. Maybe give each a good long soak, and treat them as if they still had mites. After the next shed, I suspect they may look better. Good luck with them, I hope it goes well.

[mykee]

So you just adopted two large snakes and you "really can't afford a vet at the moment"?!
Nice work.....

[lukelightwalker]

So you just adopted two large snakes and you "really can't afford a vet at the moment"?!
Nice work.....

Thats rude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This person is rescuing 2 abused snakes and doing her best to care for them obviously by posting to the site for help and advise and has said she would take them to the vet if needed. She should be called a hero.

Do you have the intestinal fortitude to rescue a couple of snakes in such bad condition??????????

By your cowardly rude remark I think not.

:unibrow:

Walker

[jonwhittington]

They are a hell of a lot better off now.It is progress not perfection Deadly Weapon

[maitre]

So you just adopted two large snakes and you "really can't afford a vet at the moment"?!
Nice work.....

They aren't large yet. They are approximately 2.5ft and ~1.5" thick. They are very managable (for now) so I will decide what to do in a few months time. I said "I can't really", not "I really can't." I don't want to spend money on a vet (yet) but I will if absolutely necessary - I'll just give up on other things like going out, new clothes, etc.



Thanks for the support guys! I'm a guy, btw.. not a girl : P

[maitre]

It does look like the eye caps could be stuck, they look a little cloudy. As for the scales, it almost looks as if there are still mites on the poor critters. I'd put them on newspaper for awhile, and try the polysporin around the eyes. Maybe give each a good long soak, and treat them as if they still had mites. After the next shed, I suspect they may look better. Good luck with them, I hope it goes well.

I applied polysporin ~8 hours ago and treated them with diluted lamasil just now. My plan is to give them polysporin in the mornings and diluted lamasil at night. I am hoping this helps. I don't know if I will be able to see results right away or if I will have to wait for a shed. Maybe a combination of both?

Both burms received a Nix treatment when I brought them home approximately 12 hours ago. I will give them another Nix treatment next sunday, and another a week after. I don't see any mites on them at all - just the discolouration of scales. I am hoping it is just superficial damage from the original infestation and am hoping it will heal over the next few sheds.

The male is definitely a little underweight. The female is a little better but could definitely use some extra food. I am going to start them on a 5-day feeding schedule.

I am hoping that polysporin/lamasil, Nix treatment, proper environment, and extra food will get them back to 100% heath soon!!

[Isaac's Ark]

WOW is all I can really say. Good save actually GREAT save. Yes I have seen this it is easy to correct just time consuming. as far as the eyes are concerned it looks very much like retained eye caps I would almost go as far as saying more the 1 or 2 overlapped no big deal though very correctable I will get into that later in the post. My concern is the alleged mite problem that is the real problem. Aside from the very real immediate problem mites can give a snake some people with a little less knowledge on the subject are not fully aware that mites can and most often do transmit viral diseases such as RI, blood born parasites, even the devil himself IBD. Try not to freak out to much just because it can happen does not mean it did, I am just trying to illustrate just how bad it can get and how quick and can get there.
Now for the good news you rescued 2 Burmese Pythons BURMESE PYTHONS. You want to know what I love about this majestic creature. You can't kill them (Figure of speech) unless you know how and fully intend for it to die. The Burmese Python is by far one of the most resilient pythons out there that is why it was #1 pet snake so may years ago not to mention limited availability of more suitable specimens.
Now time to tell you how you can bounce them back like you were a pro lol. I must first and for most must ask you to be careful a large disgruntled sick snake is absolutely a force to be recon with especially while on the road to recovery you will need 2 large bins big enough to hold each animal separately. Place them in add water & nix and a rock so you cover the entire body of the snake the rock is there so they can rest their heads on it. Soak them for about 30-45 min while they are soaking clean the quarantine enclosure really well. Jack the heat 82F ambient room temperature 89F cold side 92-95F hot side. Now this may sound weird at first but bear with me I am going to making a point for you, you will need to sacrifice the humidity aspect in the beginning when I say sacrifice I don't mean provide none I just mean accept a lower than average humidity for a short while. There is a reason for this remember when I was talking about mites transmitting a bunch of nasties well there road to recovery sux you see high heat will boost their immune system slightly this is why you are raising your temps but it can also act as an incubator for viral problems if that does happen to you and an RI takes place high humidity will aggravate the problem even further. If this happens to you do not worry you will just need a shot of Amicasin only a vet can do this for you it is highly toxic and easy to overdose an animal on but can be a very effective tool in this fight. Now in the great world of no internal parasites blood born or otherwise you will be ready for the fun and extremely dangerous part. Remember you jacked the heat at this point, high heat does more than just help the immune system it also stimulates appetite so let’s say no pet store visits any time soon LOL. Last thing you need is a burm thinking parrot is on the menu today. Once you see high energy behaviour lower your temps ever so slightly 85F cold side 89F-92F hot side and feed the living snot out of them again you are doing this for a reason when do snakes shed? When they grow. How do they grow? FEED THEM. You will be purposely feeding solely to drive your animal into shed once you see them become milky white drive the humidity to them like there is no tomorrow you goal is to ensure a healthy shed all one piece preferably. If you have the kind of luck I had so many years ago the eye caps will come off on their own and you will be able to have your vet examine the socket extremities to see if in fact if some sort of fungal infection has set in.

I hope something I said here helps you or any others that may read this. My words are not law I just know what worked for me always keep your vet on speed dial, your best friend with in ear shot when you are working with these guys a sick Burmese Python can put the nastiest Reticulated Python to shame, by all means remember things do die in this world you are doing the best you can with what you have make sure to have fun with this because if you don't will miss the lesson your animals are trying to teach you 10 million breeders cannot teach you what one serious snake bite can teach you the same applies to rescuing and rehabilitating animals.

Good Luck
Isaac's Ark

[Isaac's Ark]

sorry I was typing while you responded to this thread

[maitre]

Wow, thanks for the excellent response! I am really hoping it is just retained eye caps. It's weird, though, because I don't see retained caps over their eyes. It's really just the scales surrounding the eyes that are crusty and unhealthy-looking. I am really hoping the polysporin/lamasil treatment will resolve the issue. I will definitely boost humidity when they go into the blue. At the moment, I am keeping their humidity lower to decrease the risk of a mite re-infestation. They do have a small water dish with fresh drinking water though.

The pair was very, very snappy/hissy when I first saw them and when I brought them home. They have since calmed down significantly to the point where they act like completely different snakes. I was able to handle them with no problems this morning (did not observe any aggressive/defensive behaviour) and was able to apply the polysporin by holding their neck/head without any trouble. I will give them a diluted lamasil treatment tonight in the evening.

I will boost their temps as recommended and attempt feeding in a few days. I do want to give them some time to settle in. I will try to accelerate the time to their next shed. Hopefully a shed will fully resolve the eye-scales and damage to their body. If the shed doesn't help or if their eyes/scales get worse in the following weeks, I will bring them to a reptile vet.

I have started to make plans to keep these snakes for the long run. I am buying a new house in the next year and will designate space for 10' cages. I've also began searching for a reliable source of rabbits/pigs for their future feeding purposes.

[Aaron_S]

I think your heart is in the right place but WHY oh WHY did you apply triple antibiotic polysporin and an anti-fungal to something without a proper diagnosis first? You came here asking for help on what it might be but you already set a course. What if you do more damage now?

I guess not many people can pass up free snakes in any condition. No matter their experience.

[maitre]

I weighed the benefits/risks before starting the treatment. I researched the potential illnesses that snakes could suffer from before choosing which treatment to use. For the snakes scales surrounding the eyes, it boiled down to either a fungal infection, physical damage from mites, or retained eyecaps. I chose to use two drugs which are considered safe for reptilian use.

Polysporin has been recommended countless times to treat and/or prevent infection in reptilian wounds (open) with high success. If it has been demonstrated to be safe-for-use on open wounds, it should be safe on non-open wounds - like the snakes' eyes. However, if there are, in fact, open wounds in the lining surrounding the eye, I would prefer to apply an antibiotic before infection sets in. If there is a bacterial infection, the polysporin will help combat that and to promote healing.

Lamasil has been shown to be effective in treating fungal infections in amphibians. Considering how highly absorptive amphibian skin is and how amphibians do not exhibit adverse reactions from the treatment, lamasil should be relatively safe on reptilian skin that is not highly absorptive.

I adopted these snakes because I wanted to get them back into good health. I have the funds to care for them, to provide them with a good home, and to pay for a veterinarian if necessary. I don't need "free snakes." I can always buy a healthy snake if I wanted. In fact, it's costing me more money in the long run to house, feed, and care for sick snakes so I am not seeing this as a 'free lunch.'

Oh and btw, I guess not many people can pass up on ripping on others on the internet. No matter how experienced they think they are. Thanks for the lack of advice.

[Sapphyr]

This is a thread concerning the health of animals. Let's please keep it that way. Please keep all rude comments to yourself.

[Aaron_S]

I weighed the benefits/risks before starting the treatment. I researched the potential illnesses that snakes could suffer from before choosing which treatment to use. For the snakes scales surrounding the eyes, it boiled down to either a fungal infection, physical damage from mites, or retained eyecaps. I chose to use two drugs which are considered safe for reptilian use.

Polysporin has been recommended countless times to treat and/or prevent infection in reptilian wounds (open) with high success. If it has been demonstrated to be safe-for-use on open wounds, it should be safe on non-open wounds - like the snakes' eyes. However, if there are, in fact, open wounds in the lining surrounding the eye, I would prefer to apply an antibiotic before infection sets in. If there is a bacterial infection, the polysporin will help combat that and to promote healing.

Lamasil has been shown to be effective in treating fungal infections in amphibians. Considering how highly absorptive amphibian skin is and how amphibians do not exhibit adverse reactions from the treatment, lamasil should be relatively safe on reptilian skin that is not highly absorptive.

I adopted these snakes because I wanted to get them back into good health. I have the funds to care for them, to provide them with a good home, and to pay for a veterinarian if necessary. I don't need "free snakes." I can always buy a healthy snake if I wanted. In fact, it's costing me more money in the long run to house, feed, and care for sick snakes so I am not seeing this as a 'free lunch.'

Oh and btw, I guess not many people can pass up on ripping on others on the internet. No matter how experienced they think they are. Thanks for the lack of advice.


Advice? Take them to the vet since you're not trained to actually diagnose anything. Even if you "research" it on the internet.

What are your plans for these snakes anyway? If they become healthy? Burms aren't an animal that's easy to re-home.

[Sapphyr]

I believe they said they intend on keeping the Burms rather than rehome them after their recovery.

I personally have nothing to contribute here other than that statement.

[maitre]

Advice? Take them to the vet since you're not trained to actually diagnose anything. Even if you "research" it on the internet.

What are your plans for these snakes anyway? If they become healthy? Burms aren't an animal that's easy to re-home.

I plan on taking them to a vet. However, I am currently working (contract) in a different city and have not been able to find a reputable exotic/reptile vet in the area yet. I will not be returning home for another few weeks, where my regular reptile vet is located, so that is when they will see the vet . Again, let me stress that I did not plan on taking in this pair so I was not prepared for vet visits. I actually do not keep any exotics in this city - my snake collection is actually being taken care of by my brother back home.

I have applied 2 treatments of polysporin and one with lamasil. I've decided to stop this treatment for the time being and will simply monitor the pair for any changes. I've shown my photos to others and a few have strongly expressed that they are sure the problem is retained eyecaps. Despite the scales, the burms are very alert and active. They both ate today without any hesitation. The most I can do at the moment is provide them with a clean, properly set up environment until I can find a reputable in town or until I return home.

I'm preparing to care for these snakes for life if need be. This pair would be my first truly "giant" snake. Other than this pair, I only have experience with boas, short tailed pythons (borneo and blood), and ball pythons.

[Aaron_S]

I plan on taking them to a vet. However, I am currently working (contract) in a different city and have not been able to find a reputable exotic/reptile vet in the area yet. I will not be returning home for another few weeks, where my regular reptile vet is located, so that is when they will see the vet . Again, let me stress that I did not plan on taking in this pair so I was not prepared for vet visits. I actually do not keep any exotics in this city - my snake collection is actually being taken care of by my brother back home.

I have applied 2 treatments of polysporin and one with lamasil. I've decided to stop this treatment for the time being and will simply monitor the pair for any changes. I've shown my photos to others and a few have strongly expressed that they are sure the problem is retained eyecaps. Despite the scales, the burms are very alert and active. They both ate today without any hesitation. The most I can do at the moment is provide them with a clean, properly set up environment until I can find a reputable in town or until I return home.

I'm preparing to care for these snakes for life if need be. This pair would be my first truly "giant" snake. Other than this pair, I only have experience with boas, short tailed pythons (borneo and blood), and ball pythons.


You need to understand I get that your heart is in the right place in this rescue but you can't tell me that this was the best option. You don't have a vet on hand for the next few weeks and you weren't set up for one let alone TWO burms. Albeit small ones at the moment but they can go upto 8 feet in a year. That's 16 feet of snake that will be need separate housing. That's two 6x3x2 enclosures. I don't believe people should rescue an animal on a whim as you did. Let alone two giants-to-be. I have seen far too many "rescued" animals need rescuing from the rescuer! I stand by the fact I still think you figured you'd get two free animals in the long run since you figured they were fairly healthy animals to start with.

On a lighter note, I'm glad they ate for you already as well as that you stopped a treatment that you couldn't diagnose yourself correctly. I would believe those are retained eye caps. Hopefully only one or two sets as any more and you could be looking at blind animals in the future.

[candyraver69]

In all fairness... I bet some of the top posters in this forum are more qualified to diagnose what is wrong with them than your average vet. Unless you can find a vet that actually is experienced with reptiles, they are tards, sorry.

Taking the snakes to the vet is not a bad idea, but neither is asking questions here and reading online. Please don't discredit people on a forum automatically just because they don't hold a veterinary degree. Use common sense to decide what advice is good or bad no matter if it's from a vet or a herper.

The sad truth is that "small animal" vets are mostly trained to handle cats and dogs, and like to take wild guesses when dealing with anything else. My vet wanted to pull my rats rear teeth for an eye infection... "the tooth is infected and causing the eye area to swell" was the answer I got after she took almost an hour trying to properly scruff her to look in her mouth, with no avail. It was like watching a dog chase their tail. Finally she gave me some baytril after some persuasion and sent me on my way, my sweety was good as new in 10 days.

My advice is find out as much as you can before you start experimenting though!! They have probably been in that condition for months sadly, so there isn't a great need to be hasty. Take a few days to figure out what needs to happen since there is no imminent danger rather than just guess, because yes, the wrong treatment could make it worse.

I am no expert mind you, but it does look like they have mites to me as well. That may or may not be causing some of the other issues. Take a good close look and see if you can find mites. If you aren't sure what you are looking for use google to find pictures of mites on snakes, there should be tons. Mites can cause TONS of other problems so that would be a good place to start.

I do agree that if you can't afford to care for an animal including vet bills, don't get one, but it sounds like you are prepared to make some funds available if necessary. It probably will be necessary in this case, hate to say it, but those two look rough. Set aside some cash so that if what you are trying doesn't work you have the option to go to the vet.

I wish you the best of luck. It was a noble intention to take this on.

[Reptile_Reptile]

You need to understand I get that your heart is in the right place in this rescue but you can't tell me that this was the best option. You don't have a vet on hand for the next few weeks and you weren't set up for one let alone TWO burms. Albeit small ones at the moment but they can go upto 8 feet in a year. That's 16 feet of snake that will be need separate housing. That's two 6x3x2 enclosures. I don't believe people should rescue an animal on a whim as you did. Let alone two giants-to-be. I have seen far too many "rescued" animals need rescuing from the rescuer! I stand by the fact I still think you figured you'd get two free animals in the long run since you figured they were fairly healthy animals to start with.

On a lighter note, I'm glad they ate for you already as well as that you stopped a treatment that you couldn't diagnose yourself correctly. I would believe those are retained eye caps. Hopefully only one or two sets as any more and you could be looking at blind animals in the future.
nicely put......

[maitre]

The more reading I do, the more I believe the eyes are retained spectacles. The following article describes how the burms' eyes look: Reptile Eye Care Issues (http://www.reptilechannel.com/reptile-health/snake-health/reptile-eye-care-issues.aspx?cm_sp=InternalClicks-_-RelatedArticles-_-reptile-health/snake-health/reptile-eye-care-issues)

"When a snake sheds, it sheds this thin skin along with the spectacle, normally all connected in one piece. This is important because when a spectacle is retained, the skin being shed tears at its weakest point-through this thin skin of the periocular crevice. This leaves behind a tag of loose, dead skin around the periphery of a retained spectacle. It may be a narrow tag, but either this tag or the edge of the retained spectacle itself is always readily visible if the crevice is examined carefully."

"The only sure way to know a spectacle is retained is to see the edge of that spectacle or the tag of thin, dead skin attached to it in the periocular crevice. If there is not a retained spectacle, no edge will be visible because the normal spectacle is continuous with the thin skin around it."

This is, by no means, a final diagnosis but the article best describes the conditions of the snake. I agree that the snakes will need to see a vet for a professional opinion/treatment.



Aaron, I'll admit that I've wanted burms for a long while now and did jump on this opportunity to acquire a pair. However, I have done a lot of research in the past and am aware of their needs as adult specimens. The only reason I never picked up a burm (or any other giant) was the lack of space. Since I am buying a new home in the next year, I will be designating 8-10' x 3-4' spaces for each of them. It's true that the situation in which I acquired them was not ideal - I was not prepared to take in a couple to-be-giant snakes. That said, I believe that the conditions I am providing them with for the next few weeks are MUCH BETTER than what they were previously in. I could have just left them with the original owner and picked them up before I went home.. but why let them suffer for those few weeks when I could put them into better care?

Candyraver69, I agree that many veterinarians might not the most qualified to deal with exotics. I'm not surprised by that either considering vets usually focus on "family pets" (cats, dogs, etc.) or livestock. The vet I go to back home is experienced with exotics and is recommended by many. After all the research I did, I decided to stop treating with the polysporin/lamasil. I acted in haste when deciding to use those! I will be giving them a couple soaks a week - just try to rehydrate them/the scales.

I will feed them on a 5-day cycle for the next few weeks because they are slightly underweight. The male is definitely underweight while the female is in a slightly better condition. Hopefully they will go into shed soon!

[Aaron_S]

You shouldn't be putting snakes that are underweight through a vigorous feeding regime such as every five days. At least make sure they are smaller than ideal prey items. You don't want to shock their system. Too large of an item or too frequent for a body that hasn't had to deal with it in some time is not healthy.

I believe if you couldn't house them completely properly with vet care and everything right away then it would have been best to look for another rescue right away! I still believe you should do this. If you want a burm, get one, and wait until you have your house before you do. There are variables to this and what happens if you DON'T buy the house? The house doesn't fit two 8x4x3 enclosures?

[coll159]

It looks like the eye caps have not shed properly.
As for the scales I don't know, I had the same problem whith mine when I
Resecued her I just kept spraying the enclosure with mite spray, after her next shed
She seemed fine, that was before Xmas and she is growing fast 8ft now

[maitre]

You shouldn't be putting snakes that are underweight through a vigorous feeding regime such as every five days. At least make sure they are smaller than ideal prey items. You don't want to shock their system. Too large of an item or too frequent for a body that hasn't had to deal with it in some time is not healthy.

I believe if you couldn't house them completely properly with vet care and everything right away then it would have been best to look for another rescue right away! I still believe you should do this. If you want a burm, get one, and wait until you have your house before you do. There are variables to this and what happens if you DON'T buy the house? The house doesn't fit two 8x4x3 enclosures?

Yesterday, I gave them rats that were skinnier than the burms at their widest point. I was planning on feeding them smaller meals at a more frequent 5-day cycle instead of a larger item every 7 days. Good call on the potential shock to their system though. I think I will cut back to a 7-day cycle and build them up from there.

I am not worried about having space in the future when they need it. At this point, I already have enough saved up for a down payment so it's just a matter of picking the right house.

[maitre]

It looks like the eye caps have not shed properly.
As for the scales I don't know, I had the same problem whith mine when I
Resecued her I just kept spraying the enclosure with mite spray, after her next shed
She seemed fine, that was before Xmas and she is growing fast 8ft now

That's good to hear!! I am hoping everything is just superficial damage from mites

[candyraver69]

Glad you have a good vet in the area, it's tough to find one. Here we have a very good exotics vet but he is RIDICULOUSLY expensive because he's got a show on animal planet and well known, so I try to weigh the difficulty of the problem before I seek treatment, if it's something simple I go to a vet that will see exotics but isn't quite an "expert" in them. For something severe I pay the extra money to see the good one. I wouldn't want to take an eggbound snake to the kitty vet! but I think she can handle mites, very small wounds that need minor treatment to prevent infection, or things like that.

[maitre]

Just wanted to give everyone an update on my burms

The male entered pre-shed on the 20th and he just shed this morning. He is looking really fantastic! His eye caps shed and look normal now. His damaged also shed off and looks normal as well! His appetite has been really great and even took a rat-fuzzy while in pre-shed (I figured I'd try and he took it!). He definitely needs some weight but, like some people recommended, I will go slow with his initial feeding.

The female is just starting to enter pre-shed. She is behaving a little more lethargic than usual but I will make a guess that it's due to the shedding process.

I will still bring them to a vet in a few weeks for a general check-up/fecal smear/etc.

I'll post pics tomorrow of the male with his new skin : ) He seriously looks fantastic!

[maitre]

Here is the male in pre-shed
http://i.imgur.com/QbK5a.jpg

Starting to shed - you can clearly see his retained eye caps in this shot
http://i.imgur.com/qDFpe.jpg

And the eye caps are off!
http://i.imgur.com/oNnrv.jpg

His face/eyes look really great
http://i.imgur.com/T4Owg.jpg

The difference between his old skin and new skin is like day and night
http://i.imgur.com/cO7ks.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/01UKY.jpg

Here's a detailed photo of the shed eye caps - they look pretty gross
http://i.imgur.com/nzee3.jpg

Very happy with his dinner
http://i.imgur.com/SbgEE.jpg



My female is just starting to enter pre-shed. Her belly scales were pinkish, her colours are starting to dull, and her eyes are starting to cloud. I will give another update when she sheds.

[Jenn_06]

OH WOW that is night/day right there, looks like that was about 3 or 4 eye caps there ewww....im so happy they are doing good for you now it shows your taking really good care of them keep up the good work.

[TeaNinja]

i agree the post shed looks AMAZING. :D glad it wasn't something worse.

[kenchenzo]

nice one mate shows what proper care can do.
well done.

[belovedboas]

lol I meant to quote Saphires statment about Aaron but messed it up.........crappy comp.........soooooo

Being someone that has had tiffs with Aaron in the past...I do believe he has earned the right to speak his mind....I realized we in this hobby need keepers with Aarons approach....He says what some only think....and I respect that:) plus hes been here longer than most of us and is also quite experienced in our hobby. I also don't think he was rude he can be stern and passionate but in this thread he wasnt rude in my opinion

and to the OP, you are very passionate for taking these snakes in....they look rough poor babies

[ilovemypets1988]

well done maitre, u should be comesirated for taking in such large snakes and looking after them, those retained eye caps do really look bad, i can honestly say that everyone here will be pleased at the fact that they come off now, i hope that everything goes well with your female. also i must say that the differences between the skin is wonderful. again WELL DONE

[emilie]

Such a great job on your part! That man you got them from should be atleast fined by the spca. I can't believe what those burms must have went through. Thank you for rescueing them.

[Damion930]

Wow that's awsome the caps came off im glad that was the issue and it wasn't somthing worse good job.

[Lankyrob]

WOW - the difference in that male is fantastic - glad he is doing well for you now.

[marvelfreak]

Wow he a sweet looking snake. Congrats on getting him back to being health. It's good to see them getting the kind of care they deserve.

[belovedboas]

They do look much better.....good for you...well done!:)

[mld]

Great job on those eyes! I can't believe how much retained eye cap was there, really gross!
Sounds like they found a great home, good luck with the female hopefully she will have a great shed!:)

[CanadianEryx]

Congratulations!! He looks great. I hope your female looks just as good post-shed. Despite all the (hostile?)advice and heart-ache you've come a long way with these babies. May they continue to heal and recover full health!

[belovedboas]

Hostile???? Passionate my snakey friend lol:)

[maitre]

Thanks for the support, guys! I'll give another update when the female sheds (hopefully soon)!

[dshin963]

Awesome job :-)
Hope you enjoy your new found friends there
And also... Those caps were disqusting... How could someone let something like that go on for so long
I really hope it didnt affect their vision or have any problems later on

[dshin963]

Awesome job :-)
Hope you enjoy your new found friends there
And also... Those caps were disqusting... How could someone let something like that go on for so long
I really hope it didnt affect their vision or have any problems later on

[shaunyboy]

So you just adopted two large snakes and you "really can't afford a vet at the moment"?!
Nice work.....

people with hands on experience are always a valuable asset to any forum but theres no need for agrressive posts and sarcasism mykee getting a buzz out of scaring new members and folk with less experience than yourselfs nothing to be proud of mate.

it does not cost anything to be civil to people or would you rather create an atmosphere where newbies or those with less experience are too scared to come on here and ask a question ?

because all that achieves is snakes suffering because their owners have no where to turn to for help only for you to bring the guy down

i'm not reffering to your sense of humor which some take the wrong way but the type of post i've quoted above....

where someones doing their best to help a neglected snake and had the balls to be honest with us and ask for help only for you to start your crap with them

his only other choice was leave them where they were with NO TREATMENT ON OFFER...!!

at least they will get treated now

if you don't want to pay a full vet check up bill you could always take swabs of the eyes and have it tested for fungal infection

i will pm you a method i use effectively for retained eye caps

personally i would ignore mykee's sarcasism mate

cheers shaun