Starting with venomous snake [Archive] - sSNAKESs : Reptile Forum

Lankyrob

03-13-11, 05:29 PM

I did respond to your other post but - if this is the only experience you have had of snakes then i would suggest putting off getting something venomous for a year or two. Get yourself a mentor that can show you the correct ways to deal with venomous snakes and train you in the correct husbandry and handling of these animals. After you are completely comfortable and the mentor feels you are ready then you could consider getting your own.

No idea what the laws are lkke where you are but here you must have qualifeid for a venomous license before owning them.

marvelfreak

03-13-11, 05:36 PM

Hello and welcome! love to see pictures of your reptiles.

mykee

03-13-11, 08:16 PM

Don't get bit.
Get bit, and Charles Darwin was right about you...

Reptile_Reptile

03-14-11, 01:05 AM

Sapphyr

03-14-11, 12:15 PM

If you're a beginner to snakes in general, then you're certainly NOT ready for venomous snakes. You're probably going to get yourself killed if you go through with it and endanger the well being of your snake and other people.

Be educated first, don't just dive in blindly. Like the others said, get a mentor.

percey39

03-14-11, 07:03 PM

Hello and welcome to the forum. Rob has given you good points, but they mean nothing if you have already paid for and ordered this snake. It would seem to me that you have gone in over your head here, as the 2 species you already do keep are fairly slow and docile in nature. You will not believe the speed of the venomous species not only in their striking but also their movents are far more jerky and darty. You need to find some one that has kept venomous species for a long period of time to show you how to read that exact species movement in terms of temper, also how to hook these guy's ( i am not familiar with this species but im pretty sure most viper species can fling around quite quickly and hit your hand if your tailing them ). You definetely need some training and you need to get it first hand off a long time keeper.

BlindOne

03-15-11, 09:51 AM

i am not familiar with this species but im pretty sure most viper species can fling around quite quickly and hit your hand if your tailing them

I wouldn't recommend tailing them, not that it can't be done, but it's much safer to use a hook (esp for noobs)

These are pretty docile snakes IME....which can be bad cause people think they can pick them up :eek:

mykee

03-15-11, 12:10 PM

Lighten up Reptile reptile!
Brand-newbies can be so tempermental.
I'll buy you a hot if you like.
Promise not to wear gloves....

presspirate

03-15-11, 12:25 PM

Oh man Mykee, I'm starting to see we share a sense of humor.

SnakeyJay

03-15-11, 12:35 PM

Lol.... Actually made me laugh...

vendettaseve

03-15-11, 02:02 PM

dude mykee like the last ten posts ive seen from you were negative. It helps nobody and gets nothing done.
To OP. The mere fact that your asking for tips instead of citing your years of experience shows me that you have no experience.
So you should cancel your order and get your money back and use it to pay to be mentored.
to keep hots is a huge responsibility to you. and by not having the correct knowledge and proper experience your putting yourself, your snake, and the people around you and your home at risk. because if that snake kills you or gets away, it can harm neighbors and family. please do the safe thing for yourself and your community.

I think Mykee has earned the right to be a little cynical.

I have to agree as well, getting something like that without any prior experience with other hots is a terrible idea. If its a ***** thing and you have to have something with a bit of venom. Go buy a Hognose, at least it wont plant you in the earth when you get sloppy and let it tag you :)

percey39

03-15-11, 07:10 PM

I wouldn't recommend tailing them, not that it can't be done, but it's much safer to use a hook (esp for noobs)

These are pretty docile snakes IME....which can be bad cause people think they can pick them up :eek:

Cheers mate! I knew that hooking would be best off, but i hook and tail all my animals except my adders as those guys can quite easily swing back on themselves. I was of the understanding that most vipers can do the same?

Damion930

03-15-11, 08:03 PM

Lol I thought mykees advice was great step one don't get bit lol but honestly find someone that keeps hots and learn from them first but if you do dive in learn quick and think fast you wont get to many second chances and your mistakes wont soon be forgiven and if you are lucky your the only one that will get hurt

Reptile_Reptile

03-15-11, 11:44 PM

Nobody ever reserves the right to be an ***.

Aaron_S

03-16-11, 01:30 AM

Nobody ever reserves the right to be an ***.

Actually according to the book "**** My Dad Says" we all do in fact reserve this right. It's suggested we,as people, shouldn't use that right often.

I disagree with that statement.

Damion930

03-16-11, 02:19 AM

Lol I love that book...

red ink

03-16-11, 02:25 AM

Nobody ever reserves the right to be an ***.

Nobody deserves to die or others die either just because they got handled with "kid gloves".....

Reptile_Reptile

03-16-11, 03:02 AM

Lol wow this thread is ridiculous here is some comic relief im unsubscribing

Damion930

03-16-11, 03:17 AM

I can fully understand how you feel jr about the harshness. I honestly saw it as kinda funny. But the reality is he needs to understand the risk. I personally have experienced this first hand though I have handled countless snakes big small hot and not id never owned one until Enki my retic my gf got him for me on a whim and I jumped right in ther and got quite a dealing of crap for it not here but other places. It was this that made me understand the responsibility I had undertaken and still has me researching all I can so I may care for the animal I already have. At first I was almost offended theis ppl don't know me or my skills my intelligence but they know snakes. To the op try not to get offended take in all you can and remember no one is talking to you in a sence just some guy on the other end of the world jumping into somthing very dangerous and they are just trying to help. What you are doing is not the right way to go about what it is you want to do.

Damion930

03-16-11, 03:18 AM

Lol that's how I felt about I am legend lol

candyraver69

03-16-11, 03:37 AM

Wow hasn't this topic of bashing noobies been beaten to death in this forum already? If someone is posting certain comments you can immediately get an idea of their experience level. Knowing they have virtually no experience you have to assume they ALSO don't realize exactly how "uneducated" they sound to a veteran herper.

If you can keep your temper, the best thing is to try to calmly explain to them to back up a few steps and not get the snake yet, give it back, etc. Sometimes sarcasm and jokes are a way of NOT saying something blatantly rude like "hey idiot, you are stupid, take your snake back" or whatever, so take what you can get! A sarcastic comment isn't the worst thing that could be said in this thread.

BlindOne

03-16-11, 10:53 AM

Cheers mate! I knew that hooking would be best off, but i hook and tail all my animals except my adders as those guys can quite easily swing back on themselves. I was of the understanding that most vipers can do the same?

Hook and tail (do you mean at the same time?) would be fine with these fellas, they are slender bodied and ~4' or so. They only thrash when not supported, as I'm sure you are used to!

My experience with 'tailing' is very very limited, I've mostly kept arboreal pitvipers....you don't want to tail one of those.

percey39

03-16-11, 07:21 PM

Hook and tail (do you mean at the same time?) would be fine with these fellas, they are slender bodied and ~4' or so. They only thrash when not supported, as I'm sure you are used to!

My experience with 'tailing' is very very limited, I've mostly kept arboreal pitvipers....you don't want to tail one of those.

Yeah thats what i mean mate. Cheers for the info, I have never dealt with a arboreal hot it would be very interesting!

emilybier

03-16-11, 11:29 PM

emilybier

03-16-11, 11:39 PM

Also, It's important to remember that you should do some solid research before ordering an animal whether it is a hot or not. I spent a couple of months preparing for my first snake, and I plan on researching for my first arboreal for the next few months. I make it a rule to know all the basics and own some literature before I put money down.

Lankyrob

03-17-11, 05:35 AM

Seems like some rules need to be laid down about noobs, hypersensitive individuals, and cynics. From what I've seen in this short time that I've been subscribed, the people who are "harsh" are the most experienced, the people who are hypersensitive, PC, frantic and cursing haven't been around long. It's time to remember that we aren't just talking about noob mistakes with husbandry for the animal. This person could potentially lose their life. That makes people nervous, understandably. Hots are not domesticated animals, they never will be. It is a matter to be taken seriously. If someone gets a harsh but cool and logical reprimand, is that so bad?

Well put and just to add - NO reptile will ever be domesticated like a dog or cat - these are WILD animals that tolerate us messing them around (if we are lucky). It should be considered a privelege to be able to look after let alone handle any of these majestic animals (i am NOT suggesting handling hots tho!!!)

BlindOne

03-17-11, 11:19 AM

Well put and just to add - NO reptile will ever be domesticated like a dog or cat - these are WILD animals that tolerate us messing them around (if we are lucky)

I think that's what I like the most about keeping snakes and tarantulas, you are -at best- tolerated.

belovedboas

03-17-11, 11:28 AM

Actually according to the book "**** My Dad Says" we all do in fact reserve this right. It's suggested we,as people, shouldn't use that right often.

I disagree with that statement.

this made me luagh :):)

SnakeyJay

03-18-11, 02:17 AM

people dont give harsh replies to people that genuinly want to learn.... When I first came on here I got no nasty comments or abuse.. Just plenty of advice with my brb setup lol l. X

mykee

03-18-11, 07:56 PM

"Seems like some rules need to be laid down about noobs, hypersensitive individuals, and cynics. From what I've seen in this short time that I've been subscribed, the people who are "harsh" are the most experienced, the people who are hypersensitive, PC, frantic and cursing haven't been around long. It's time to remember that we aren't just talking about noob mistakes with husbandry for the animal. This person could potentially lose their life. That makes people nervous, understandably. Hots are not domesticated animals, they never will be. It is a matter to be taken seriously. If someone gets a harsh but cool and logical reprimand, is that so bad?"
Nice! I'm going to Staples tomorrow and getting that emblazoned on a gaint rubber stamp in mirror image to that I can slap it forcefully on peoples foreheads when they say stoopid stuff.

Aaron_S

03-19-11, 03:24 PM

I have a few names for you Mykee to start with! Not on here ;)

mykee

03-19-11, 07:24 PM

I can think of a few myself.
I think I'm gonna need a few more ink pads...

leon777

04-28-11, 02:08 PM

Hi for all!
I am open Cobra Farm in Gauteng, South Africa.
Looking for People who experienced in Cobra keeping.
I’ll keep you all informed with my diary reports on all the breeding that we’re hoping for this season .:crazy::no:

ilovemypets1988

04-28-11, 02:23 PM

how ever nice copper head vipers are, they are very dangerous animals if not respected, well its not so much the animal you have to respect, its respect for what they can do, as with most vipers, the venom will take hold within half an hour of being bit, usually needs between 6 - 10 vials of anti-venom and even after have a dose of anti-venom you can still die from anafelactic shock (soz but dont know how to spell it).

alot of people with "hots" have learned over time with constrictors and so on and they also get a mentor or someone who they relied on to show them how to handle sed snakes, and those who havnt learned from experienced people or even those who just go out and get "hots" end up seriously hurt or worst case dead from bites.

i can only comment on venomous snakes as i was lucky enough to see a proper handler do the job properly a few months ago and know that the difference between handling hots and constrictors are totally different and so is the techniques involved.

sorry about the long winded response and im sure this had been said before in this thread but id rather let it be known than not just incase.

leon777

04-28-11, 02:57 PM

I looking for cobras of the Naja complex. If any one in South Africa have, please send offer.
Leon

sickvenom

04-28-11, 03:44 PM

:mad:I looking for cobras of the Naja complex. If any one in South Africa have, please send offer.
Leon

No.........

Lankyrob

04-28-11, 03:46 PM

:mad:

No.........

This seems a bit of a rude response? Any reason why?:confused:

leon777

04-29-11, 12:27 AM

This life is all about relationships. It’s about love – expecting love and giving love. It’s about our relationship with Tao, family, people, pets, nature Love is the best thing for the quality of mankind, but is the worst thing got attaining immortality – a lethal poison. Love is a major attachment.

What is your wisdom for giving and getting love? What is your need for giving and getting love? We hunger, we crave, we grieve, we hate. It’s all about love and need.

To deal with love we have the three treasures of the Tao: Conscience; Mercy; and Forgiveness.

Heal yourself to heal your relationships.

leon777

04-29-11, 12:39 AM

All who keep snakes, are in the life Game.
Celebrate diversity. Don’t force yourself into the game, celebrate the game. Don’t try to force others (Snake) to be like you. The more you push or persecute, the harder they kick back. Others will fight to protect their spirit. Softness overcomes hardness, mercy is water, water is soft. The unique character of Wu Dang is softness. Softness is the application of the Tao. Water can carry, flow, or flood. Celebrate different manifestations of the Tao.

leon777

04-29-11, 12:41 AM

Man United With Cosmos As One.

Follow What is Nature.

TeaNinja

04-29-11, 12:44 AM

lol ...

Reptile_Reptile

04-29-11, 12:57 AM

im sorry dude i know you ment well but-----this---vvvvlol ...

vendettaseve

04-29-11, 07:09 AM

This thread is getting ridiculous.

mistersprinkles

04-29-11, 07:09 AM

This seems a bit of a rude response? Any reason why?:confused:

Because he caught on to the fact that someone with absolutely no experience or concept of what they are getting into wants to buy a machine gun and will likely aim it backwards. The guy is clearly a flake.

All who keep snakes, are in the life Game.

Yes. A Garter can kill a grown man in less than three minutes.

elebrate diversity. Don’t force yourself into the game, celebrate the game. Don’t try to force others (Snake) to be like you. The more you push or persecute, the harder they kick back. Others will fight to protect their spirit. Softness overcomes hardness, mercy is water, water is soft. The unique character of Wu Dang is softness. Softness is the application of the Tao. Water can carry, flow, or flood. Celebrate different manifestations of the Tao.
Nice men in white shirts will take you to a peaceful place...

I am open Cobra Farm in Gauteng, South Africa.
Looking for People who experienced in Cobra keeping.

You don't say? With no experience?
I'm opening a nuclear power plant the same day you open your snake farm, ok? We'll see if either of us makes it through the first day without killing ourselves.

vendettaseve

04-29-11, 07:35 AM

You don't say? With no experience?
I'm opening a nuclear power plant the same day you open your snake farm, ok? We'll see if either of us makes it through the first day without killing ourselves.

Could you do internet instead. I need a new provider.

Really tho, Sprinkles hit the nail on the head with this one, wish this site had a rep+ system.

shaunyboy

04-29-11, 07:36 AM

Because he caught on to the fact that someone with absolutely no experience or concept of what they are getting into wants to buy a machine gun and will likely aim it backwards. The guy is clearly a flake.

All who keep snakes, are in the life Game.

Yes. A Garter can kill a grown man in less than three minutes.

elebrate diversity. Don’t force yourself into the game, celebrate the game. Don’t try to force others (Snake) to be like you. The more you push or persecute, the harder they kick back. Others will fight to protect their spirit. Softness overcomes hardness, mercy is water, water is soft. The unique character of Wu Dang is softness. Softness is the application of the Tao. Water can carry, flow, or flood. Celebrate different manifestations of the Tao.
Nice men in white shirts will take you to a peaceful place...

I am open Cobra Farm in Gauteng, South Africa.
Looking for People who experienced in Cobra keeping.

You don't say? With no experience?
I'm opening a nuclear power plant the same day you open your snake farm, ok? We'll see if either of us makes it through the first day without killing ourselves.

^^^^^
the arrogance of that stament is something else mate

how do you know the guy has no experience and is a flake ?

would it not have been more constructive to ask the guy a few questions instead of making assumptions and name calling ?

i think if you look hard enough all snake keepers are a litlle eccentric. no ?

all the guys asking is if someone in his country can supply a particular snake for breeding projects at a cobra sanctuary he is opening how do you know the guy has no experience with them regards their husbandry requirements ?

it would be much more sensible to explain the dangers and how to get proper training than making sarcastic posts and most likely scaring the guy away from asking questions on this forum which will most likely result in the guy going away and trying to work it out for himself endangering himself in the proccess...!!

to the op
the reson people are worried is you ask for handling advice which you should already know if your prepairing to work with venomous snakes

what people are trying to tell you mate is that a venomous snake is NOT to be taken lightly.thwey have the ability to kill you and other members of your family if not treated carefully enough

the general rule of safety with hots is you get someone to mentor you over a 2 to 3 year period until you use safe practises as your reflex action at the end of the day your life is at risk so should not be asking for handling tips on a public forum you need proper tutoring from and experienced venomous keeper mate

cheers shaun

mistersprinkles

04-29-11, 07:42 AM

^^^^^
the arrogance of that stament is something else mate

I find flakes take unusual exception to arrogance and thus unusual notice of it. He needs to take some serious notice of this not being a bright idea.
Offended person? Dead person? If I can save someone's life, I would rather offend someone and lower other's opinion of me and save that life, than keep my mouth
shut. When someone I don't think should run out and open a cobra farm tommorow says they're going to... What's the responsible way to react? Should reactions not be gauged to the thing
we are reacting to?

how do you know the guy has no experience and is a flake ?

He said he has no experience. He then made 3 consecutive ultra-flake posts.

would it not have been more constructive to ask the guy a few questions instead of making assumptions and name calling ?

I don't need to ask more questions. Read the post. "I am opening a cobra farm. Does anyone have any experience with Cobras?" He has no experience with cobras. He does, however, want to farm them. Good idea? Bad idea?

The guy is saying that everyone who has snakes is playing a game of life and death. He put a quote up from Wu Dang which has nothing to do with anything. ... come on.

i think if you look hard enough all snake keepers are a litlle eccentric. no ?

My opinion: There's nothing eccentric about most of the very normal people who have one or several snakes which are highly non-lethal as house pets. If your corn snake bites you, you're barely even going to feel it. If your cobra bites you, it's going to threaten your life. I'll take the corn snake. Lots of surprisingly friendly, very non-venomous reptiles out there that are easily bred and valuable for resale.

[QUOTE=vendettaseve;604509]Could you do internet instead. I need a new provider.

Really tho, Sprinkles hit the nail on the head with this one, wish this site had a rep+ system.

Thank you.

shaunyboy

04-29-11, 07:52 AM

i still fail to see what productivity comes from slagging the guy off and name calling

i have only read this thread and i agree if the guy has so little experience then he should shelve his plans until the proper skills can be learned

you seem to have took on board how serious a situation it is by your offended over dead statement

but i have found when people offend newbies all they do is tend to shy away from asking more questions and go off on their own and attempt whatever it was they set out to do in the first place

i just feel that it would have been a lot more help to educate the guy instead of treating him in the manor you chose to use

cheers shaun

sickvenom

04-29-11, 07:53 AM

This thread is getting ridiculous.

It's *been* ridiculous.

Lankyrob

04-29-11, 10:04 AM

[quote=shaunyboy;604511]^^^^^
the arrogance of that stament is something else mate

I find flakes take unusual exception to arrogance and thus unusual notice of it. He needs to take some serious notice of this not being a bright idea.
Offended person? Dead person? If I can save someone's life, I would rather offend someone and lower other's opinion of me and save that life, than keep my mouth
shut. When someone I don't think should run out and open a cobra farm tommorow says they're going to... What's the responsible way to react? Should reactions not be gauged to the thing
we are reacting to?

how do you know the guy has no experience and is a flake ?

He said he has no experience. He then made 3 consecutive ultra-flake posts.

would it not have been more constructive to ask the guy a few questions instead of making assumptions and name calling ?

I don't need to ask more questions. Read the post. "I am opening a cobra farm. Does anyone have any experience with Cobras?" He has no experience with cobras. He does, however, want to farm them. Good idea? Bad idea?

The guy is saying that everyone who has snakes is playing a game of life and death. He put a quote up from Wu Dang which has nothing to do with anything. ... come on.

i think if you look hard enough all snake keepers are a litlle eccentric. no ?

My opinion: There's nothing eccentric about most of the very normal people who have one or several snakes which are highly non-lethal as house pets. If your corn snake bites you, you're barely even going to feel it. If your cobra bites you, it's going to threaten your life. I'll take the corn snake. Lots of surprisingly friendly, very non-venomous reptiles out there that are easily bred and valuable for resale.

Thank you.

IF you actually read his first post he DOES NOT say that HE has no experience. HE says he is opening the cobra farm and is asking if anyone else has experience.

As per usual on this forum the second anyone mentions about owning venomous snakes they are automatically an idiot that is going to kill themselves or others.

Yet again no questions are asked as to whether the person has experience, has a mentor, knows what he is doing.

Maybe you should take a step back and stop having a go at people when you dont know who you are talking about?

RandyRhoads

04-29-11, 11:46 AM

I agree with shaun on this one, you jumped way ahead of yourself. And attacking his personal beliefs/religion/morals? The nice white men ect..... So you are calling him a complete psych job because of his Tao beliefs?

ilovemypets1988

04-29-11, 12:24 PM

right leon, this is what SHOULD`VE been asked/said before,

your thinking about opening a cobra farm, are you not?

what type of cobras are you thinking of as they are all different and have different potency when it comes to there venom

can you get hold of anti-venom easily and if so do you know how much you will need to get for each cobra that you will have on site

do you actually have any experience of any kind with any type of venomous snake as i wouldnt regard the cobra as the ideal beginner venomous snake

do you know what type of husbandry will be needed for each individual snake as i wouldnt recommend 2 in each cage as that would be too dangerous

and the final question from me would be, can you get to a medical centre if things go badly wrong and you dont react to the anti-venom well, i.e. if you go into antivelactic shock and so on

NennaMeerkat

04-29-11, 12:40 PM

I am not trying to be mean or anything like that but I can't help and look at this guy as someone TRYING to get something started. I am sure people on here are around the net as a whole enough to recognize trolls and such right? That is what I see when I read this guy's original post and other posts he has done. So personally I think this thread as a whole should be ignored from here on out. I think he is out for laughs and stirring up drama.

TeaNinja

04-29-11, 12:42 PM

ilovemypets1988

04-29-11, 12:46 PM

funny you said that, i ignored it from the beginning ;)

i agree with nenna, the fact that it sounds "ify" is to say the least but i cant ignore a thread as it may help some other newbies that may look at this and think that starting with cobras and not being experienced as a good idea, so im just putting general questions down that will have to be anwsered before anyone gets a cobra, thas the only reason why im putting messages up

nikkik85

04-29-11, 12:47 PM

I dont ever want a venomous snake. I hope you be carefull :) Good luck

stephanbakir

04-29-11, 12:56 PM

Some hots look unbelievable! Rhino vipers, African Bush vipers, Mekong vipers etc

ilovemypets1988

04-29-11, 01:00 PM

i have an idea for all of you, lets say what venomous snake you would adore to have if you could, lets change this thread around to something pleasant.

i will start, i would love to have a western diamond back rattle snake as i love there colouring and markings and i love the sound of the rattle (heard from nature programs)

NennaMeerkat

04-29-11, 01:03 PM

ilovemypets1988

04-29-11, 01:07 PM

There is a tiny little viper that rubs up against itself making a rattling noise or some sort of raspy noise to warn people of it being around. It is really really small and lives in desert areas in Africa I think...not sure what it is called but if I was silly enough to own a "hot" it would be that one.

Anyone know what it is?

this is the nae of the viper your talking about nenna: Cerastes cornutus and Cerastes cerastes, also known as the sand viper

stephanbakir

04-29-11, 01:17 PM

the Laticauda colubrina (im sure its a sea krait but idk which) and African bush viper

NennaMeerkat

04-29-11, 01:22 PM

Sand Viper might be it...though I think it is a Saw Scaled Viper.

Echis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echis)

Lankyrob

04-29-11, 04:59 PM

My choice would be Eyelash Vipers, they are just SOOOO gorgeous!! And would want a Gaboon Viper as well, but no hots for me til a long way down the line, got a daughter to grow up and leave home first! I have organised a mentor tho who is a long term venomous keeper and teaches venomous husbandry and care at local vetinary colleges as well as being the go to guy for the authoritys for reptile rescues.

When i say that i want to start training i will be spending two days a week with him for approximately four years to train and hopefully qualify for my license, THEN will need to build a hots room, THEN will have to apply for a permit, THEN have to get police permission and local health authority permission, THEN set up vivs, THEN get a final check done before purchasing my first hot!!

OR i may just qualify for the experience and knowledge and not bother owning them myself, with the qualification would be able to apply to help out at zoos etc

sickvenom

04-29-11, 05:04 PM

I think he is out for laughs and stirring up drama.

bingo. i didn't want to point it out and risk being called a 'jerk'....... again.

NennaMeerkat

04-29-11, 05:06 PM

Sick there is always a way to put things in a more subtle nice way then just flat out calling someone out or being "short"...if that makes sense at all.

mistersprinkles

04-29-11, 05:43 PM

[quote=mistersprinkles;604514]

IF you actually read his first post he DOES NOT say that HE has no experience. HE says he is opening the cobra farm and is asking if anyone else has experience.

As per usual on this forum the second anyone mentions about owning venomous snakes they are automatically an idiot that is going to kill themselves or others.

Yet again no questions are asked as to whether the person has experience, has a mentor, knows what he is doing.

Maybe you should take a step back and stop having a go at people when you dont know who you are talking about?

I read it. If this person has any experience, it is minimal. Also, that experience is null and void due to the person being a flake. I will gladly insult someone up and down if it prevents them from getting killed. I am happy to be 'that prick' who stopped someone from being bitten by a venomous snake.

You can have all the experience in the world, but if you're a flakey person, it's not going to help you. Saying things like "Everyone who has a snake is playing a game of death" and then making crazy religious quotes = flake. Saying it's a game of death implies this guy has no concept of the fact that venomous snakes can be handled safely if you know how.

ilovemypets1988

04-29-11, 06:02 PM

I read it. If this person has any experience, it is minimal. Also, that experience is null and void due to the person being a flake. I will gladly insult someone up and down if it prevents them from getting killed. I am happy to be 'that prick' who stopped someone from being bitten by a venomous snake.

You can have all the experience in the world, but if you're a flakey person, it's not going to help you. Saying things like "Everyone who has a snake is playing a game of death" and then making crazy religious quotes = flake. Saying it's a game of death implies this guy has no concept of the fact that venomous snakes can be handled safely if you know how.

i know its not my place to say but can we please keep the swearing down as there could be kids reading this at some point

sickvenom

04-29-11, 06:08 PM

i know its not my place to say but can we please keep the swearing down as there could be kids reading this at some point

might be a language barrier here. that 'p' word isn't considering cursing, here in the u.s.

stephanbakir

04-29-11, 06:10 PM

might be a language barrier here. that 'p' word isn't considering cursing, here in the u.s.

Also, while i don't agree with what sprinkles said, weren't they referring to themselves as(that "p" word)? Why are you offended

DeesBalls

04-29-11, 08:12 PM

Sand Viper might be it...though I think it is a Saw Scaled Viper.

Echis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echis)

I was thinking the same thing; saw scale viper...

thats all im saying on this thread. lol

RandyRhoads

04-29-11, 09:50 PM

Agreed saw scaled viper. I saw one these bad boys way back. Love the sound the make. One of my top picks of non native hots I would like.

sassy_snake_lady

04-30-11, 06:18 AM

i know its not my place to say but can we please keep the swearing down as there could be kids reading this at some point

Swearing? Wow, you don't wanna hear me when I curse!! :rolleyes:

ilovemypets1988

04-30-11, 10:53 AM

There is a tiny little viper that rubs up against itself making a rattling noise or some sort of raspy noise to warn people of it being around. It is really really small and lives in desert areas in Africa I think...not sure what it is called but if I was silly enough to own a "hot" it would be that one.

Anyone know what it is?

i was watching a program last night that suggested a snake that may fit the envelope - and before anyone ses, i know its not a viper im talking about - the berg adder from zwatsili (i think thas how u spell the place name lol)

sickvenom

04-30-11, 01:37 PM

Swearing? Wow, you don't wanna hear me when I curse!! :rolleyes:

sassy!!!!!

sassy_snake_lady

04-30-11, 02:07 PM

sassy!!!!!

Mwuhahahaha :p

sickvenom

04-30-11, 02:09 PM

Mwuhahahaha :p

i like it already.

mistersprinkles

05-09-11, 10:30 AM

i was watching a program last night that suggested a snake that may fit the envelope - and before anyone ses, i know its not a viper im talking about - the berg adder from zwatsili (i think thas how u spell the place name lol)

Can someone please explain to me the entertainment value of having a pet that can kill you and only differs from the 'non' kill you version in that

A) it can kill you

B) it has a differing method of killing its prey.

Is B really worth A? I'll never understand.

Lankyrob

05-09-11, 10:36 AM

A lot of us own snakes because they are beautiful animals not becasue they can kill us in different ways.

There are lots of beautiful non venomous snakes and lots of beautiful venomous snakes - i will be getting my license in order to have the choice of which beautiful snake i get to see on a daily basis - as simple as that. I have nothing to prove by owning venomous snakes and agree that anyone that owns them as a status symbol probably shouldnt have them. My animals are for my enjoyment and thats about it.

stephanbakir

05-09-11, 10:47 AM

A) yes it can kill you but so can a retic
B) it SHOULDN'T because you being responsible and feeding F/T right?
They can be some of the most unbelievable looking snakes in the world with fantastic colour patterns. That being said owning hots isn't for everyone, when i "handle" wild hots I like many others try to never "tail" a hot, and practise safe handling.

There are other people that are in it for the thrill and their behaviour puts themselves and others at risk.

Yes it is worth it if you do your research and plan it out properly, keep in mind that certain terrariums, even some Vision terrariums aren't fit for hots (one of the vision models has a lip on the top where a snake can hide and not be readily removed) and you need to take precautionary measures to ensure your safety and the safety of others.

Cant remember who said this but "I treat my hots like a loaded gun that wants to shoot me"