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scottyy
03-08-11, 09:35 PM
well earlier i took some pictures for you guys to see and then i got her out later today and noticed that half of her mouth was slightly open. it kind of looks like an abscess or something like that. I saw a retic with one in its mouth before on youtube but i am not sure if that is what my snake has. could it be she just needs to yawn or something like that to put it back in place? the pics i took of it arent that great because she would not sit still lol.
Jenn_06
03-09-11, 05:42 AM
you need to look in the mouth and see if its red and looks infected. you might want someone there to help you hold the body, you need to hold the head(dont be scared its not going to hurt the snake)and get something that you can use to open the mouth.if its really red or looks a little infected you need to go to the vet before it gets really bad.
scottyy
03-09-11, 06:16 AM
How much would something like cost to get fixed? because the closest exotic vet is like an hour away which sucks :/ maybe i will have to google it to see if there is a vet near by
Jenn_06
03-09-11, 06:53 AM
im not sure, but if you go soon its not going to cost as much if you wait and the infection gets really bad. but look to see if there is a infection first.
Good luck at the vet, hopefully it's nothing serious, but if it is at least you can catch it before it gets too bad.
scottyy
03-09-11, 03:46 PM
Yea i think i am gonna call and ask how much something like that would cost
TeaNinja
03-09-11, 05:07 PM
aren't you missing the most important part??? did you look at your snakes mouth to see if it looked infected??
scottyy
03-09-11, 06:57 PM
Well i was just gonna suck it up and just take her because i am no vet but i know something has to be wrong. so sunday i am just going to take her because i will be over by the vet that day... i wish there was a closer vet >.>
TeaNinja
03-09-11, 07:09 PM
better safe then sorry i guess :)
i hope she's fine.
kinggill
03-09-11, 07:15 PM
Man just grab a friend or 2 ,hold the snake down and get a wooden dowl and lightly tap her on the front of her mouth...she will open, push the dowl in easy.It may just be a tooth you can pick out.We had a huge retic that got a bad absessed tooth ...we waited too long and the infection spread....after the chore of draining daily and many injections it still died.
scottyy
03-09-11, 07:16 PM
thats what i figured lol. better to catch it now before i have to pay for an extensive surgery or something like that.
scottyy
03-09-11, 08:54 PM
Man just grab a friend or 2 ,hold the snake down and get a wooden dowl and lightly tap her on the front of her mouth...she will open, push the dowl in easy.It may just be a tooth you can pick out.We had a huge retic that got a bad absessed tooth ...we waited too long and the infection spread....after the chore of draining daily and many injections it still died.
well i suppose i could give a look in her mouth. shouldnt take too many people she isnt that big... yet. it does look worse today than it did yesterday. its starting to turn like a white pussy color or something like that.
Damion930
03-09-11, 11:16 PM
Best of luck man I hope all works out for you
Isaac's Ark
03-10-11, 03:52 AM
seems like early signs of mouth rot it can be a bugger of an infection but rater simple to clear up if you are going to the vet soon you should be able to nip this one in the but. I am unaware of how you keep your retic housed but i noticed in my collection that a clean quarantine cage with a little TLC can put an abrupt end to such infections. Keep in mind something like this can become something much worst very fast especially when we are referring to the mouth region of snakes.
scottyy
03-10-11, 06:04 AM
Well if it is an abscessed tooth should i pull it out with my fingers or a clean pair of tweezers or something like that? well i keep her at about 90 on a hot side and 80 on the cool side with 60% humidity. i just moved her up to a larger cage about a week ago and just changed the substrate yesterday i am hoping for the abscessed tooth though because i can fix that myself.
Sending you well wishes and a prayer for your snakes speedy recovery.
Are you able to get to the vet sooner than Sunday?
scottyy
03-10-11, 12:18 PM
i just called and set up an appointment for this saturday because it looks like its getting worse. this is the first time i have had to take an animal to the vet and i will say that its stupid how you have to pay for the examination as well as the treatment >.<
Lankyrob
03-10-11, 01:40 PM
The veterinarian has to pay bills too, if you take an animal in that deosnt need treating you have to lay for their time, experience, advice and the rent of the building and all the equipment they have.
scottyy
03-10-11, 02:27 PM
Yea i suppose so but there is definately something wrong with her and i know they like to charge quite a bit for that on top of a 60 dollar examinatio fee. i found a closer vet but they couldnt get her in until tuesday and i want to get her in asap! unfortunately saturday is the soonest i could get her in :/ but thats only 2 days away so it shouldnt get too much worse in 2 days
You'll end up having to give her antibiotic injections..its not gonna be cheap but at least she will be well :)
scottyy
03-10-11, 05:17 PM
well hopefully it isnt over 100 bucks
Lankyrob
03-10-11, 05:19 PM
If you are looking at ongoing treatment with antibiotics it is likely to be well over $100 bucks. Have you got no imsurance/back up plan for veterinary treatment?
scottyy
03-10-11, 08:47 PM
i didnt think they had pet insurance. what exactly is that?
Lankyrob
03-11-11, 04:06 AM
Insurance that pays for pet bills when your animal needs it. If you dont have insurance then you need some sort of back up cash so that your animal can get treatment. I dont personally have insurance but i have set up an account that i can instantly access approximately £15k should any of my animals need it. This account is never used for day to day stuff it is purely for emergencies.
scottyy
03-11-11, 05:15 AM
Well i might have to look into the whole pet insurace thing because if it isnt too expensive every month i would do that. what r some of the names of companies that offer this service?
I heard people mention this, it like a payment plan for the vet, you just apply and then you don't have to worry when an emergency comes up.
CareCredit® Healthcare Finance - Payment Plans and Financing for Cosmetic Surgery, Dental, Vision, Hearing, Veterinary & Other Medical Procedures (http://www.carecredit.com/)
scottyy
03-11-11, 12:22 PM
i guess my mom said that she has one of those cards already. she used it for the dentist or something like that lol.
scottyy
03-11-11, 12:28 PM
so i suppose that it was an abscessed tooth! i took her out today to look at her mouth and see if it had gotten worse and her head slithered across my hand and then i looked in my hand and seen a tooth (that wasnt what i thought at first though lol). its so small though! for her size i thought her teeth would be a little bit bigger. So now my question is, should i still take her to the vet? i got some pictures up of what it looks like now and you can kind of see it. I also got a picture of the tooth.
CanadianEryx
03-11-11, 03:39 PM
How red and swollen is the inside of her mouth? If there is still an infection that is not draining she will probably need antibiotics to clear up the problem. If your human child had an infection would you not get it treated?? These pets need just as much care.
Jenn_06
03-11-11, 04:00 PM
you need to take it to a vet now, needs meds now before it gets to the point it have to drain.
scottyy
03-11-11, 10:00 PM
do u think i could clean it with hydrogen peroxide dilluted in water or something?
Jenn_06
03-12-11, 08:09 AM
no you need to go to the vet its infected and needs a few shoots.
This thread has become frustrating, it seems to me like you cant afford to take your pet to the vet and I bet you don't. Exotics are expensive..there not just "ya, man I got a really big snake at home" Its a responsibility, if you cant afford to take care of it properly give it to someone who can. :)
scottyy
03-12-11, 10:02 AM
well... the vet is all backed up for watever reason and it might be another week before they have an open appointment for me. I just want to know if there is anything i can do to help her before the vet because the infection wont wait for the vet to be able to get her in. i wanted to take her today but that didnt happen. i honestly didnt think that the vet would be this booked especially sense this isnt something that i could have scheduled ahead of time because it just happened. i guess a lot more people have exotic pets than what i would have thought for my area.
i just called and set up an appointment for this saturday because it looks like its getting worse. this is the first time i have had to take an animal to the vet and i will say that its stupid how you have to pay for the examination as well as the treatment >.<
what happened to this appointment??
scottyy
03-12-11, 10:23 AM
what happened to this appointment??
well that vet was a very far drive unfortunately and then gas skyrocketed to almost 4 bucks a gallon. here at least. and my car needs some work done on it so its getting horrible gas mileage (but thats just my luck). the good news i found a closer vet thats not an hour and a half away.
Lankyrob
03-12-11, 11:12 AM
You need to get this animal seen by a vet NOW - not when gas prices go down or you get someone to fix your car. Unfortunately i agree with Jendee it seems you are looking for cheap shortcuts instead of doing what is required for the snake that YOU are responsible for. If you cant afford it then man up and rehome the snake with someone who can.
that's just half of owning an exotic animal, careless on your behalf you should have thought of this cost before purchasing your snake. can you get a friend to drive you better figure something out before it gets worse
scottyy
03-12-11, 11:52 AM
i am not looking for a shortcut >.> just something i can do to help it heal so it dont get worse before i get to the vet. well this isnt something i planned my car just kinda broke and there isnt much i can do about it just like the vet being full. i knew i would have to go to the vet and i knew it wouldnt be cheap just didnt throw the car in the equation.
scottyy
03-12-11, 11:53 AM
yea maybe a friend could drive me i will ask. cuz the vet i found is not even a half an hour away its probably like 15 mins from where i live.
Lankyrob
03-12-11, 02:01 PM
Not sure how it works over there but there are very few vets that you can just walk into with no appointment, even emergencys you need to phone ahead and get permission to take the animal in.
scottyy
03-12-11, 02:12 PM
well i will call and ask if they take walk ins like that. i am not sure if they do but i sure hope so because i would be able to take her there monday because they are closed for today and tomorrow.
Jenn_06
03-12-11, 03:06 PM
you need to see if they do walk-ins or call other vets, go to monstersnakes.com and PM Harry he is a retic breeder and knows his stuff, he might can tell you what meds you need for your snake so you can tell the vet. if they dont know anything about snakes.
Reptile_Reptile
03-12-11, 03:42 PM
EVERYBODY CALM THE **** DOWN. seriously this person obviously is having troubles get the **** off their back. seriously is this how you help people by demanding they do things. there is nobody out there for begginers saying if you dont have 500000000000000000000000000$ you cant own a snake cause this and this might happen. people get caught unaware. maybe you should be trying to find a deal for him instead of just making this person feel like ****. if i was a mod i would delete every single one of these comments. you guys disappoint me
Jenn_06
03-12-11, 04:38 PM
im telling him where to go to get info, how are we going to help him find a deal? this is not walmart snake meds and vet visit dont go on sell.
TeaNinja
03-12-11, 04:56 PM
i want some pancakes, with blueberries.
i expect someone to ablige.
Lankyrob
03-12-11, 05:06 PM
EVERYBODY CALM THE **** DOWN. seriously this person obviously is having troubles get the **** off their back. seriously is this how you help people by demanding they do things. there is nobody out there for begginers saying if you dont have 500000000000000000000000000$ you cant own a snake cause this and this might happen. people get caught unaware. maybe you should be trying to find a deal for him instead of just making this person feel like ****. if i was a mod i would delete every single one of these comments. you guys disappoint me
Anyone that owns animals should make provision for emergencies a) having the animal registered with a suitable vet so that in an emergency you dont have to start running around trying to find one and b) ensuring there is some means to pay for the treatment. This is as important a part of "husbandry" as the environment and diet in my mind.
The reason for me blowing up at the op is that one minute he has an appontment booked and the next he is going to a "walk in" centre (with a RETIC!!!) and now he is doing nothing til monday. The vet that he sees should have at least some experience of reptiles if not a specialism in reptiles - how many non reptile vets are going to know how to handle a large constrictor let alone be competent to open its mouth and examine inside without injuring themselves or the snake?
Our vet has a policy that except in an extreme emergency all exotics are seen outside of their normal hours as the conditions (and security measures in some cases) are different to other animals. They wont for example allow two boids in the waiting room together and have specialist cleaming procedures in place after an exotic has been seen to try to prevent any possible cross contamination of collections.
Reptile_Reptile
03-12-11, 05:51 PM
still maybe you should have explained this to the man instead of yelling at him so he can go find one. you guys say go to a vet. he does. you yell at him because its the wrong type when in the first place maybe he didnt know that you had too because thats not the most common knowledge ever.
Lankyrob
03-12-11, 06:11 PM
He still hasnt actually GONE to the vet, thats the problem on top of the many others i mentioned in my last post.
Ya my only problems is he keeps going back in forth from I have an appointment with the vet, im treating it myself, i don't have the gas, not for another week, oh this Saturday, oh Monday ill take him in.
Know one is yelling we are typing, it is only the opinion of the reader how the tone of voice is while reading what is being typed..bleeped out cuss words seems more yelling then anything else :)
Its simple don't ask for help on something your not prepared to do, and especially don't ask for help if your not prepared for the answers...
its just i feel that before purchasing any animal bird,snake,lizard,dog,cat ect. you need to factor your financial status. Most cases are unexpected and you need to be prepared for them. for every animal i own i feel confident that if they were to need a vet i could take them no matter "gas prices" the vet i deal with is 2.5 hours away it sucks but i was aware of that before i purchased my first reptile. I was lucky enough that the guy who sold me my iguana made sure i new that the only vet around that deals with them is 2 plus hours away in case something happened. you need to be prepared.
totheend
03-12-11, 11:40 PM
While most of you have come up with some good points...........what is the point in making the OP feel like ****? So he has an animal that he can't afford a vet appointment with......how are you all helping? The only thing you are doing is discouraging him from ever asking a question on here again. Who suffers? The animal. Shouldn't you all be offering suggestions until he can get to a vet? In a perfect world he would have money, the vet would be next door and specialize in reptiles.
Scottyy, yes you can use hydrogen peroxide. Use it a couple of times a day. How is the snake doing? Do you have any new pics you could show us?
TeaNinja
03-12-11, 11:52 PM
While most of you have come up with some good points...........what is the point in making the OP feel like ****? So he has an animal that he can't afford a vet appointment with......how are you all helping? The only thing you are doing is discouraging him from ever asking a question on here again. Who suffers? The animal. Shouldn't you all be offering suggestions until he can get to a vet? In a perfect world he would have money, the vet would be next door and specialize in reptiles.
Scottyy, yes you can use hydrogen peroxide. Use it a couple of times a day. How is the snake doing? Do you have any new pics you could show us?
agree'd ^^
Reptile_Reptile
03-13-11, 02:04 AM
its just i feel that before purchasing any animal bird,snake,lizard,dog,cat ect. you need to factor your financial status. Most cases are unexpected and you need to be prepared for them. for every animal i own i feel confident that if they were to need a vet i could take them no matter "gas prices" the vet i deal with is 2.5 hours away it sucks but i was aware of that before i purchased my first reptile. I was lucky enough that the guy who sold me my iguana made sure i new that the only vet around that deals with them is 2 plus hours away in case something happened. you need to be prepared.
No matter what you "feel" this is the situation with millions of pet owners and is the situation here. cant change that. what you can do is help him through his problem if this were a math problem you would take the problem, solve it, then get the answer. this is just part of the equation to this snakes healthy recovery.
marvelfreak
03-13-11, 05:10 AM
Here's a site with some info that might help till you get it to a vet.
How to Treat Mouth Rot in Pet Snakes | eHow.com (http://www.ehow.com/how_2266433_treat-mouth-rot-pet-snakes.html)
This site has info on how to treat snakes for different problems. Plus at the top of the page is a link where you can click and talk to a vet on line, and they even have Reptile vet on the site.
Common Health Problems for Pet Snakes (http://hubpages.com/hub/Common-Health-Problems-Snakes)
Hope this helps and if you need i can give you a link on how to safely open your snakes mouth.
Lankyrob
03-13-11, 06:16 AM
While most of you have come up with some good points...........what is the point in making the OP feel like ****? So he has an animal that he can't afford a vet appointment with......how are you all helping? The only thing you are doing is discouraging him from ever asking a question on here again. Who suffers? The animal. Shouldn't you all be offering suggestions until he can get to a vet? In a perfect world he would have money, the vet would be next door and specialize in reptiles.
Scottyy, yes you can use hydrogen peroxide. Use it a couple of times a day. How is the snake doing? Do you have any new pics you could show us?
The only probledm with this is that you are diagnosing the problem and suggesting treatment without actually examining the snake?? We havent even seen pics inside the mouth?
Jenn_06
03-13-11, 07:36 AM
im not a vet so the only way i can help him is say go to the vet.
I dont want him to make the mistake like i have, one of my retics passed away about 3 weeks ago because i thought i can "treat him"...something was wrong with the stomach and he stared to blow up alittle so i thought a soak everyday for a week will help him pass whatever was blocking him if not i would go to the vet, he was doing better but on a monday i checked to see if he was ok and he passed away, if i went to the vet in the first place they could of told me what was really wrong with my baby and i would still have him or had him put down so there was no more pain. he was my first snake that i lost and i feel so bad of not taking him to the vet the first day i saw him get sick.
i really dont want you to loss your pet for something that can be prevented by going to see a vet.
no one here knows whats wrong with his snake for sure so how exactly could he try any "home remedies" without possible causing more harm.
I'm thinkin its mouth rot, but I haven't seen the inside. I know if peroxide is swallowed, vomit follows infact that's what my vet used everytime my boston terrier ate one of my socks a cap full of peroxide..so wouldn't that be bad to put in your snakes mouth because a snake vomiting is not ever a good thing....again though I'm not a vet. but look its sunday..so this means the snake is being taken to the vet tomorrow. No reason to bicker about it, I just feel that point should have been made. No one is trying to be mean to anyone.
Agreed i hope every thing goes well tomorrow
totheend
03-13-11, 09:51 AM
The only probledm with this is that you are diagnosing the problem and suggesting treatment without actually examining the snake?? We havent even seen pics inside the mouth?
Really, I am diagnosing? Where?
He asked if he could use hydrogen peroxide..........I said yes you can. It won't hurt and it will keep things clean.
Read first........
marvelfreak
03-13-11, 12:29 PM
This is the site i was talking about and they have vet on line at all times. Don't get me wrong you still will need to see a vet, but they maybe able to tell you something that would help now. Just click on the reptile vet and ask your question. Veterinary questions? Ask a veterinarian for answers ASAP (http://www.justanswer.com/sip/veterinary?r=ppc%7Cga%7C1%7CPets%7CPet+Illness&ofid=103&JPKW=pet%20illnesses&JPDC=C&JPST=hubpages.com&JPAD=7176830163&JPAF=txt&JPCD=20110222&JPRC=1&JPMT=&JPNW=d&JPOP=Cass_WaitCopy_7min&gclid=CJHl_bCUzKcCFRG4Kgod0VH1Cw)
Sapphyr
03-13-11, 01:54 PM
Besides all the crap being thrown around in here, I think what the OP was saying was that -in the mean time- what would help to stop it from -progressing-. Definitely, though, it does need to see a vet for proper care and diagnosis. We don't know what it is, nor are any of us, as far as I know, vets. You need to take it to a professional, preferably one skilled in reptiles, if not specialized. I know that some vets will claim to know something, but completely miss the correct diagnosis because they don't actually know all that much. It's cheap, shoddy, and a horrible thing to do, but some people are just plain old disgusting and reckless when it comes to getting money from people.
I do agree with Rob, though, that it is very annoying for the OP to flip flop between taking it Sunday, then taking it Monday, then not even taking it, then to treating it himself, then to the gas prices being too high to afford that and a vet bill. It makes him come off as not being overly serious about the situation, especially given the fact that a member stated, previously, that one of their animals died even WITH treatment for an oral illness. As a pet owner, that would, naturally, make me a million times more concerned for the well being of my animal, instead of seemingly being 'flimsy' with treatment.
And yes, I understand being financially under pressure, but if you're that financially unstable, you honestly aren't stable enough to be a responsible pet owner. Pets cost money. Not just for food, water(via using water and thus adding onto the water bill), and husbandry/toys/etc., but for medical purposes as well. You can't get a pet and expect it to NEVER EVER get sick. That's just -stupid- and arrogant, no offense. If you're going to get a pet, you have to consider the cost, including the bill should your pet ever get sick. To not consider this, is -very- irresponsible, and can very well, and most likely will, result in the pet suffering or being neglected in terms of health and well being.
We get sick, they get sick, we can all get sick. You can't expect it to not happen and that -is- common sense... or should be, at least, but a lot of people, these days, lack common sense.
Additionally, if you've ever watched Animal Cops or related shows, you know they will take animals from owners because they can't properly treat an illness the animal as, therefore can not properly care for the animal, resulting in neglect. It doesn't matter if you're in a financial bind or not, bottom line is, you are hurting your animal and it is suffering as a result.
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At any rate, I hope your trip to the vet goes over well tomorrow and hope your snake makes a healthy recovery. Keep us updated!
Lankyrob
03-13-11, 03:14 PM
We run our emergency fund on a basis of £1000 per animal, whether its a hamster or a high end reptile, the theory being that you hope that you wouldnt have multiple animals needing trestment simultaneously.
I have mentioned recently how we would like to grow our collection but money is tight, this is because if we bought another animal we would need another £1k to add to the fund.
We all,at the end of the day, have the animals best interest at heart here and i would hope that any comments that may sound slightly heated are for this reason and not to have a go atanyone asking questions.
Sapphyr
03-13-11, 03:26 PM
Exactly. It's in the concern and interest of the animal, not for having 'a go' at anyone, at least, my comments are, and I'd hope all the others are as well.
We're facing a rather scary issue right now, we're hoping nothing bad happens from it. If it does we will have simultaneous illnesses, and they will probably result in death of the animal, sadly...
As you all may know, I lost my cat a little over a week ago. I'm very convinced she had Effusive Feline Infectious Peritonitis(FIP). This -is- a contagious illness with -no- cure and is fatal should it develop into FIP(I say this because it can lay dormant within a cat[a carrier] and only 20% of cats have it develop into actual, fatal FIP). We had 9 cats prior to Stewie's death, and if it was, in fact, FIP, then all 8 of the remaining cats have been exposed to it and it could either be dormant in them or develop into the fatal version. We could test all of them, right now for it, and all the tests could turn up negative, even if they -do- have it, just dormant. The longest case of a dormant FIP is 6 months before becoming a fatal illness, so, if it -is- going to become fatal, symptoms will pop up within 6 months.
We all hate to think about vet bills, especially simultaneous vet bills, but it can happen, as my case is proof, that's why you need to be prepared for any and all animals you own as, once again, a responsible pet owner.
scottyy
03-13-11, 03:45 PM
well thank u for stickin up for me reptile. :) i went to the expo (that i got the snake from) and talked with a guy there who breeds the burms and retics and other snakes and he told me to try the hydrogen peroxide on it before taking it to the vet. and i didnt exactly take the time to read ur essay lankyrob i dont have time to read all the bullshit in it >.> well i am at least glad i talked with that guy otherwise i would be caught in the middle of this war here and not really getting anywhere. and thank u jenn i will get a hold of him and ask him about it.
Lankyrob
03-13-11, 03:51 PM
Fingers crossed for good news with your other cats.
scottyy
03-13-11, 03:53 PM
While most of you have come up with some good points...........what is the point in making the OP feel like ****? So he has an animal that he can't afford a vet appointment with......how are you all helping? The only thing you are doing is discouraging him from ever asking a question on here again. Who suffers? The animal. Shouldn't you all be offering suggestions until he can get to a vet? In a perfect world he would have money, the vet would be next door and specialize in reptiles.
Scottyy, yes you can use hydrogen peroxide. Use it a couple of times a day. How is the snake doing? Do you have any new pics you could show us?
yea i could get some new pics up. yes i will try to use the hydrogen and if it bubbles up and actually does something i will try it for a few days and if it dont work then i will take her to the vet. that guy at the expo explained a lot to me lol.
Lankyrob
03-13-11, 03:56 PM
well thank u for stickin up for me reptile. :) i went to the expo (that i got the snake from) and talked with a guy there who breeds the burms and retics and other snakes and he told me to try the hydrogen peroxide on it before taking it to the vet. and i didnt exactly take the time to read ur essay lankyrob i dont have time to read all the bullshit in it >.> well i am at least glad i talked with that guy otherwise i would be caught in the middle of this war here and not really getting anywhere. and thank u jenn i will get a hold of him and ask him about it.
Be interested to know what bits of the time i have taken trying to hepl and give advice were bullshit? If you arent prepared to do it publicly drop me a pm.
well thank u for stickin up for me reptile. :) i went to the expo (that i got the snake from) and talked with a guy there who breeds the burms and retics and other snakes and he told me to try the hydrogen peroxide on it before taking it to the vet. and i didnt exactly take the time to read ur essay lankyrob i dont have time to read all the bullshit in it >.> well i am at least glad i talked with that guy otherwise i would be caught in the middle of this war here and not really getting anywhere. and thank u jenn i will get a hold of him and ask him about it.
I would like to see proof of any reputable breeder to tell you to treat mouth rot with peroxide "before" taking it to the vet!!
wow!! see you all are defending this guy and yet he and his defenders were really the only ones being rude. I don't think me or Lankyrob said anything at all to the insulting crap you all put out!! lol how is there even a war here besides the one you created, by you not getting your story straight?? and your still going with the peroxide when cleary the animal needs antibiotics?? If you post a sick snake on any reptile loving forum your gonna get backlash for trying to find any road you can to avoid spending money to treat him. You shouldn't be so shocked and defensive of the feedback. It just makes you look even more irresponsible for your responsibilities!!
How are you going to keep the snake from ingesting the peroxide? are you at least going to dilute it? I think maybe you should try swallowing a cap full see what it does to your insides before you trust that its safe for your animal lol....since you all are gonna take this thread to that level...just sayin...
I really hope that nothing is seriously wrong with your snake so it can survive your incontinence to manage the situation properly. I personally think this thread should be closed because as always happens the newbies seem to know sooo much more about snakes then anybody else..clearly :/ and nobody is learning anything in this.
scottyy
03-13-11, 04:17 PM
this is with some hydrogen peroxide in her mouth so it looks kinda bubbly. not the greatest picture because she wouldnt sit still
That looks incredibly bad! My jaw straight dropped, that poor thing I bet that hurts alot :(
scottyy
03-13-11, 04:19 PM
I would like to see proof of any reputable breeder to tell you to treat mouth rot with peroxide "before" taking it to the vet!!
wow!! see you all are defending this guy and yet he and his defenders were really the only ones being rude. I don't think me or Lankyrob said anything at all to the insulting crap you all put out!! lol how is there even a war here besides the one you created, by you not getting your story straight?? and your still going with the peroxide when cleary the animal needs antibiotics?? If you post a sick snake on any reptile loving forum your gonna get backlash for trying to find any road you can to avoid spending money to treat him. You shouldn't be so shocked and defensive of the feedback. It just makes you look even more irresponsible for your responsibilities!!
How are you going to keep the snake from ingesting the peroxide? are you at least going to dilute it? I think maybe you should try swallowing a cap full see what it does to your insides before you trust that its safe for your animal lol....since you all are gonna take this thread to that level...just sayin...
I really hope that nothing is seriously wrong with your snake so it can survive your incontinence to manage the situation properly. I personally think this thread should be closed because as always happens the newbies seem to know sooo much more about snakes then anybody else..clearly :/ and nobody is learning anything in this.
well if u were paying attention i said the tooth fell out and it was an absessed tooth not mouth rot >.> and if u must know people use hydrogen peroxide to gargle or rinse their mouth
scottyy
03-13-11, 04:21 PM
That looks incredibly bad! My jaw straight dropped, that poor thing I bet that hurts alot :(
that is a picture with the hydrogen peroxide in it thats y it looks that bad. idk if u bothered to read the lettering above it.
Sapphyr
03-13-11, 04:22 PM
Thanks Rob. I really hope nothing bad happens with my darlings...
And Scott, that was really rude of you to call Rob's statement 'bull____'. It's honestly uncalled for, since we're just concerned about the health and well being of your animal. We're not trying to insult you, we just want your animal to be healthy and properly cared for.
same with Listerine but we do not swallow, we spit it out are you going to expect the snake to spit it out come on now
scottyy
03-13-11, 04:23 PM
Be interested to know what bits of the time i have taken trying to hepl and give advice were bullshit? If you arent prepared to do it publicly drop me a pm.
all i hear coming from u is that i should expect that all these things happen at once and should have money saved away for vet visits i didnt say it was bad advice just that whole long post u have on y i am the bad guy here trying to get some help because i am not properly caring for my snake.
well if u were paying attention i said the tooth fell out and it was an absessed tooth not mouth rot >.> and if u must know people use hydrogen peroxide to gargle or rinse their mouth
teeth fall out with mouth rot as well, either way infection needs antibiotics
yes but people can control say "hum this is peroxide maybe I shouldn't swallow it"
big difference to something that doesn't understand whats going on, don't you think??
Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
courtesy of jay0133
Im sorry this thread turned to this, good luck with your animal
Sapphyr
03-13-11, 04:28 PM
Exactly... At least -you can- spit it out... A snake can not spit, nor can it spit out peroxide. Even if it's not alot, it's still harmful if swallowed. Even if it's not allowed, there can still be residuals left that can become ingested at any point... It's -not- safe for your animal.
And please tell me you've canceled your vet appointment for tomorrow or in the future because of what this supposedly professional breeder claimed... It's obviously infected and needs PROPER medical treatment.
Also, just because she doesn't mention your previous posts, doesn't mean that she didn't read it. You could have more than one diagnosis at one time, it's possible, whether you like it or not. Unlikely, but possible.
We're just really concerned about the way you're going about treating and caring for your snake and how it will affect your snake's health...
scottyy
03-13-11, 04:32 PM
same with Listerine but we do not swallow, we spit it out are you going to expect the snake to spit it out come on now
lol i dont expect my snake to spit it out that would be stupid. but what i do know is that we can swallow listerine (people get drunk off it. that was a problem around where i live) and besides i am not puring large amounts on there just a little bit on a q tip and gently rubbing it on there and wiping it off with paper towel. besides i trust my source because he has quite a bit of experience with these larger snakes. and when i asked if that would help on this forum...
scottyy
03-13-11, 04:40 PM
teeth fall out with mouth rot as well, either way infection needs antibiotics
yes but people can control say "hum this is peroxide maybe I shouldn't swallow it"
big difference to something that doesn't understand whats going on, don't you think??
Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
courtesy of jay0133
Im sorry this thread turned to this, good luck with your animal
well thanks. i am not gonna let her die of course. she does still have her teeth that she uses (i seen them when i fed her). the one that came out looked like a new tooth growing in.
TeaNinja
03-13-11, 04:41 PM
lol, it does sound like some of you just feel like badmouthing pet owners that don't know as much as you. even before he posted it i had the Q-tip thought. no one needs to say "do you think your snake will spit?? are you stupid?"
Really... thats your argument "we can swallow listerine" we can virtualy swallow anything doesn't mean its good for us. Do you hinestly think getting drunk of Listerine is healthy
lol i dont expect my snake to spit it out that would be stupid. but what i do know is that we can swallow listerine (people get drunk off it. that was a problem around where i live) and besides i am not puring large amounts on there just a little bit on a q tip and gently rubbing it on there and wiping it off with paper towel. besides i trust my source because he has quite a bit of experience with these larger snakes. and when i asked if that would help on this forum...
^^^ Im curious to know how old you are??
as I stated I highly doubt this guy told you to not take this animal to the vet! In this picture..whats soo bad is not the foaming peroxide but the clearly huge gabbing gap between upper lip and bottom lip! thats what I was shocked about that is a very bad infection that Im still not convinced its a infected tooth..
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg283/cpblsoup/Image03132011181055.jpg
and for future advice reasons only, please dont get offended..I know when you come home from work or whatever cages can be pretty nasty..it happens snakes poop all over the place but infections like that can and do come from improper hygiene..so seeing this picture and the one above makes me put 2 and 2 together. Clean environments can help this things from popping up :)
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg283/cpblsoup/Image03082011171348.jpg
Lankyrob
03-13-11, 04:47 PM
all i hear coming from u is that i should expect that all these things happen at once and should have money saved away for vet visits i didnt say it was bad advice just that whole long post u have on y i am the bad guy here trying to get some help because i am not properly caring for my snake.
I dont recall calling you a bad guy, not my style. I think i mentioned that it is best practice to have money put aside for emergencys and i tnk that you will find that the vast majority of animal keepers do this as a matter of course.
It seems that it is you that has become very defensive? Forgive me if i am misreading your posts.
That mouth is much worse than the first picture you posted, with or without treatment that you are giving. Are you still getting a medical opinion on the problem with his mouth? Did you take the snake to the expo for the breeder to examine or did he recommend a cure from your description or photos?
I would repeat my, and many others,recommendation that you get your snake to a pet as soon as is possible for a definitive diagnosis and recommendation of treatment.
TeaNinja
03-13-11, 04:47 PM
Really... thats your argument "we can swallow listerine" we can virtualy swallow anything doesn't mean its good for us. Do you hinestly think getting drunk of Listerine is healthy
once again you're nitpicking and finding things to bitch about, he was saying people drink it so maybe it won't harm the snake. he wasn't considering dumping a bottle of listerine in its mouth. he is probably contemplating what to put on a Q-tip to make the infection better.
I AGREE, he should have some funds set aside for the vet, but he didn't do that. I feel it's best to tell him what WON'T help in a calm, non pushy manner instead of grilling him for not knowing what to do.
Sapphyr
03-13-11, 04:53 PM
lol, it does sound like some of you just feel like badmouthing pet owners that don't know as much as you. even before he posted it i had the Q-tip thought. no one needs to say "do you think your snake will spit?? are you stupid?"
I can see where you'd get this idea. I know some particular comments... Not going to point fingers or name names... but -some- comments aren't exactly the kindest and -do- point fingers at a person or a group of people. Am I included in this group of badmouthers? I'd like to think not...
Also, people don't think of that right off the bat. Just because you do, doesn't mean everyone does, same goes for pet owners, not just people looking in on the situation. I know some people wouldn't think of a Q-Tip and either spray or pour the peroxide onto the infected area.
good luck at the vet tomorrow.
scottyy
03-13-11, 04:57 PM
^^^ Im curious to know how old you are??
as I stated I highly doubt this guy told you to not take this animal to the vet! In this picture..whats soo bad is not the foaming peroxide but the clearly huge gabbing gap between upper lip and bottom lip! thats what I was shocked about that is a very bad infection that Im still not convinced its a infected tooth..
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg283/cpblsoup/Image03132011181055.jpg
and for future advice reasons only, please dont get offended..I know when you come home from work or whatever cages can be pretty nasty..it happens snakes poop all over the place but infections like that can and do come from improper hygiene..so seeing this picture and the one above makes me put 2 and 2 together. Clean environments can help this things from popping up :)
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg283/cpblsoup/Image03082011171348.jpg
well i did clean the cage a little after that picture and its not that it isnt clean its just kinda wet because it is newspaper and the ink kinda does that. she is my baby pretty much so i do the best i can with wat my knowledge can do. and he didnt say not to go to the vet just to try the hydrogen peroxide first.
Aaron_S
03-13-11, 05:00 PM
You know this thread turning into a war without their needing to be one on the open forum. Most of it just made most people here look like fools. I personally think the OP should have taken things more seriously from the start.
If anyone wants to argue about how to treat people who are acting irresponsibly can PM me. I for one believe the rest of the world isn't going to hold your hand so I don't see why it needs to be done on a forum constantly.
scottyy
03-13-11, 05:00 PM
yea i questioned whether the peroxide would be safe for the snake or not and he said it wouldnt hurt her
marvelfreak
03-13-11, 05:21 PM
Can we please stop the second grade (he said, she said) Bull Sh t and try to help the guy. For your snake sake please read this it explains what Jendee was try to tell you.
This is from one of the links i posted earlier.
http://s3.hubimg.com/u/313914_f260.jpg
Mouth rot
Stomatitis
Stomatitis, or more commonly referred to as mouth rot, is pretty common among captive reptiles. It's caused by bacteria in the mouth that gets into n open wound, which causes infection within the lining of the gums, mouth, and potentially the entire digestive tract. Also known as mouth rot, this is a fairly common illness in captive snakes. Signs of mouth rot include swelling or color change in your snake's mouth and gums, gaps in the snake's mouth in regards closing his mouth, or frequent rubbing or opening its mouth.
You want to keep the bacteria in the enclosure to a minimum so to prevent infection, so make sure to regularly clean the entire enclosure, provide fresh water, and eliminate any source of injury to the mouth or the surrounding area.
Put the snake in a quarantine enclosure with paper towels and clean the mouth with a cotton swab dipped in 1% Betadine solution. Make sure that the snake doesn't swallow any of the Betadine or any infectious material by keeping his head downwards while flushing out his mouth. If the condition doesn't improve within 1 week, consult a vet.
Disclaimer: Please be aware that the advice in this article should in no way replace that of a licensed veterinarian. The methods outlined above may or may not work for your pet. If you have any concerns, you should consult a specialized reptile veterinarian.
[/URL][URL="http://hubpages.com/hub/Common-Health-Problems-Snakes#"]
(http://hubpages.com/hub/Common-Health-Problems-Snakes#)
Here's some great advice, and if I offend you; tough. I could care less.
It seems that there are more members here who want to candy-coat and lollypop-ify your issues and spare your feelings than tell you the truth about what you are doing.
I don't know you, nor do I want to and I don't care if I hurt your feelings. You have been given some GREAT advice yet you continue to ignore it.
If you don't like our advice or refuse to take it, why are you even here?
I am so sick and tired of hearing about little kids and adults with kid brains buying pets of any kind without a responsible bone in their bodies.
That said; there is a very good chance that your snake will die.
From that picture, he is very infected and your lack of brains, responsibility and cash may be entirely responsible for it's death.
Congratulations.
Do the responsible thing (I suppose it's a good time to start) and either take your snake to a vet or turn your snake over to someone who is financially responsible enough to properly care for it.
Lankyrob
03-14-11, 04:52 AM
^^^ Can't beat a bit of straight talk ^^^ It is hard to say what you said without being abusive or offensive and i personally think you said it well.
scottyy
03-14-11, 07:52 AM
Here's some great advice, and if I offend you; tough. I could care less.
It seems that there are more members here who want to candy-coat and lollypop-ify your issues and spare your feelings than tell you the truth about what you are doing.
I don't know you, nor do I want to and I don't care if I hurt your feelings. You have been given some GREAT advice yet you continue to ignore it.
If you don't like our advice or refuse to take it, why are you even here?
I am so sick and tired of hearing about little kids and adults with kid brains buying pets of any kind without a responsible bone in their bodies.
That said; there is a very good chance that your snake will die.
From that picture, he is very infected and your lack of brains, responsibility and cash may be entirely responsible for it's death.
Congratulations.
Do the responsible thing (I suppose it's a good time to start) and either take your snake to a vet or turn your snake over to someone who is financially responsible enough to properly care for it.
well... i can take her to a vet faster than i can find a new home for her
Aaron_S
03-14-11, 09:14 AM
Mykee,
I have to commend you on having the gonads to say that. I tried saying it in my earlier post but you said it much better.
DeesBalls
03-14-11, 10:12 AM
Here's some great advice, and if I offend you; tough. I could care less.
It seems that there are more members here who want to candy-coat and lollypop-ify your issues and spare your feelings than tell you the truth about what you are doing.
I don't know you, nor do I want to and I don't care if I hurt your feelings. You have been given some GREAT advice yet you continue to ignore it.
If you don't like our advice or refuse to take it, why are you even here?
I am so sick and tired of hearing about little kids and adults with kid brains buying pets of any kind without a responsible bone in their bodies.
That said; there is a very good chance that your snake will die.
From that picture, he is very infected and your lack of brains, responsibility and cash may be entirely responsible for it's death.
Congratulations.
Do the responsible thing (I suppose it's a good time to start) and either take your snake to a vet or turn your snake over to someone who is financially responsible enough to properly care for it.
i agree... sorry to say it, should of just took her to the vet. when i ask these people for advice, i listen right away! maybe thats why my snakes ( all 5 of them and my beardie ) may have had perfect sheds, great heath and ate every time for me, over the last 2.5 yrs ive had them... because i listen...
as for not having the cash for vet, as stated i have 6 reptiles, and 2 dogs, and 1 dog has an ongoing bone diseases he had since birth, i wont bore you all with that, but i set aside money every week into a "vet only" account, i have around $1500 JUST FOR VET visits, its not a bad idea, and i think everyone should do this.
as for your retic, hope everything turns out well for him/her. but you should of listened to everyone at the beginning. sorry to say. $200 spent is alot better then to have to bury or get rid of a dead friend....
scottyy
03-14-11, 10:15 AM
after day one of hydrogen peroxide.
Sapphyr
03-14-11, 11:14 AM
Sorry, but I agree with Mykee 100%. Very well said and to the point.
Wolfus_305
03-14-11, 01:00 PM
I've been following this thread since it started and I didn't really want to get too involved.
It's one thing to ask for advice, but it's another to accept it and have things work out for the better. You seem to be taking great offence to the advice that is given, but the vast majority of these people are near experts in this field and have had many, many years of hands on experience with issues similar (if not the same) as what you are currently dealing with. The people on this forum really are just trying to help (they helped me tremendously when my first snake refused to eat for 11.5 months. they were full of ideas and a good support system.) It would be helpful if you could try to look at the situation from their point of view. You're here, a new snake owner and you're asking for advice, but when you get the advice you either argue against it or just don't take it. It's got to be frustrating for everybody here that is just trying to help you, don't you think so?
I think that the vet savings money is a great idea, even if you haven't done it up to this point now it becomes a matter of can you afford to contribute to it starting now and continuing into the future, unfortunately not from what I've read. :( and if you are already having problems and she is so young there will likely be more in the future (unless she goes to a new home with an owner that is more experienced already with these animals. Perhaps the new owner will even mentor you a bit so that when you are fully prepared you can think about owning a snake again)
I know how amazing and addicting snakes (all reptiles for that matter) can be and I know that it is hard to let them go once we've grown attached to them, but it has to be an unselfish choice to do what is best for the snake that cannot care for itself the way we can. I think it would be beneficial to both you and the snake if you thought about giving her to a home that has an owner that is more experienced and will be able to properly care for her/him. (I know it can be tough, believe me, i am currently going through the process of selling one of my snakes because she became too much for me to handle. it's rather upsetting to me as i have grown to quite like her, unfortunately she doesn't seem to fond of me. When i realized that she could go to a new home with somebody who would have the time and knowledge/skills to tame her down a bit, i knew that I had to find her that home because she deserves it)
Please think very carefully about the wonderful advice that you have gotten from people on this forum who have lots of hands on experience with snakes and reptiles and consider re-evaluating your situation, for your snake's benefit.
Kendra
scottyy
03-14-11, 08:12 PM
well fortunately her mouth looks a lot better
Sapphyr
03-14-11, 11:06 PM
Did you even go to the vet?... It wouldn't seem like you did. -sigh-
Good luck with your snake, I hope it lives, at least, a half way decent life... even though it deserves a lot more than half way decent. I hope it doesn't develop some other problem from lack of proper care.
And Kendra, something tells me he's not going to listen. Very good point, though, and I agree.
Wolfus_305
03-15-11, 10:29 AM
Thank you Sapphyr
Sapphyr
03-15-11, 10:31 AM
No problem.
scottyy
03-15-11, 01:16 PM
Did you even go to the vet?... It wouldn't seem like you did. -sigh-
Good luck with your snake, I hope it lives, at least, a half way decent life... even though it deserves a lot more than half way decent. I hope it doesn't develop some other problem from lack of proper care.
And Kendra, something tells me he's not going to listen. Very good point, though, and I agree.
well suppose i take her to the vet and the vet knows the peroxide would have worked but because i went to the vet he figures he should do something and gives my snake a shot, but he give her a shot that makes my snake worse and then she still dies or i have to take her back to the vet and pay for an overnight stay. and dont tell me that doesnt happen because that is exactly what happened when i took my grandmas cat to the vet once and thats the only time i have been to the vet might i add. and i figure that an exotic animal such as my snake is a little more complex than a dog or a cat so if they mess up on the cat then who knows what they would do to my snake
well suppose i take her to the vet and the vet knows the peroxide would have worked but because i went to the vet he figures he should do something and gives my snake a shot, but he give her a shot that makes my snake worse and then she still dies or i have to take her back to the vet and pay for an overnight stay. and dont tell me that doesnt happen because that is exactly what happened when i took my grandmas cat to the vet once and thats the only time i have been to the vet might i add. and i figure that an exotic animal such as my snake is a little more complex than a dog or a cat so if they mess up on the cat then who knows what they would do to my snake
If your snake develops septicemia, it will die. If your snakes jaw rots off, it will die. Your retic clearly has a mouth infection. Hydrogen peroxide is effective against minor superficial damage but it will not treat an infection that has spread deep down into the gums/muscles of your snakes mouth. It likely needs a course of antibiotic shots.
scottyy
03-15-11, 01:25 PM
Wow. Are you trying to convince the community or yourself?
i am not convincing anybody just saying i dont trust the vet around me. if he messes up on something as simple as a cat then would he even know how to treat my snake?
scottyy
03-15-11, 01:33 PM
If your snake develops septicemia, it will die. If your snakes jaw rots off, it will die. Your retic clearly has a mouth infection. Hydrogen peroxide is effective against minor superficial damage but it will not treat an infection that has spread deep down into the gums/muscles of your snakes mouth. It likely needs a course of antibiotic shots.
even if the swelling goes away?
So you didnt take him to the vet?:confused:
DeesBalls
03-15-11, 03:47 PM
well suppose i take her to the vet and the vet knows the peroxide would have worked but because i went to the vet he figures he should do something and gives my snake a shot, but he give her a shot that makes my snake worse and then she still dies or i have to take her back to the vet and pay for an overnight stay. and dont tell me that doesnt happen because that is exactly what happened when i took my grandmas cat to the vet once and thats the only time i have been to the vet might i add. and i figure that an exotic animal such as my snake is a little more complex than a dog or a cat so if they mess up on the cat then who knows what they would do to my snake
i dont understand... are you saying that you dont want to take it to a vet because your afraid it will give it a shot, for an obvious infection it has...??? the vet will not do something to hurt or kill your snake. they take a hippicratic oath (atleast im told) the same that doctors do. i owuld trust a vet and like previously stated, peroxide only cleans and dis infects minor superfical cuts and scrapes... not the superficial ones witch spead an infection through out the whole body possibly.
DeesBalls
03-15-11, 03:50 PM
i am not convincing anybody just saying i dont trust the vet around me. if he messes up on something as simple as a cat then would he even know how to treat my snake?
sorry i didnt see this post until after i posted... i owuld search up and look for an "exotic vet".. i am very lucky in my vet does both, but some normal vets wont handle exotics...
it is worth the long drive if you have to, usually a office visit is around $60 and depending on antibiotics and lenght of treatment i would say around $200 for the whole thing... and a healthy and long living snake...
* a mod can delete my previous post, sorry **
marvelfreak
03-15-11, 03:53 PM
even if the swelling goes away?
12086 12086 12086 I tell you what if you don't want your snake to live keep doing nothing. If you want it to live PLEASE TAKE IT TO A VET. Better yet how about going an get your mommy or daddy and i can explain to them why it needs to go to the vet. Maybe they'll care enough about your snake to try saving it.
omg how old are you scotty? Im willing to bet you are under 19!!
So now your saying you arent taking it to the vet because.....you think the vet will kill it???? when this whole thread has been, your taking it to the vet, you dont have the money for a vet, now Im self medicating, oh now i think the snake will die if i take it to the vet because that's what happened to my grandmas cat!!
Your lucky your on this forum, there are some great people here, other forums would have chewed you up and spit you out!!
If I knew your address I would be reporting you at this point for animal neglect, if your under age your parnets would be charged and the animal would be removed, hopefully your 18 so you could have been charged that snake would get a better home and maybe..maybe youd learn a lesson but going off this thread your not gonna learn a damn thing..people like you are why the reptile industry have such a bad name!!!
Lankyrob
03-15-11, 05:58 PM
The worse thing is thst the treatment you are giving could well heal the external damage that is visible to you and just seal the infection into the jaw causing irreparable damage. I guess at least then when the snake dies you can convince yourself that it is something else that killed it and that you "cured" the mouth issue so you dont have to carry any guilt around.
Sapphyr
03-15-11, 06:10 PM
Vet's aren't an all knowing being that can cure anything and everything. I don't blame Dr. Vice for any of our deaths. Sometimes it's just down to how severe the illness is, what it is, how long it's been there, how far it's gotten, etc. I've mentioned in other posts about FIP killing my cat. FIP has no cure. Dr. Vice tried his best to keep her going, but at the end of the day, FIP is a killer with no cure... and what we didn't want to happen happened, whether we like it or not. We don't blame Dr. Vice for her death.
With Alex? He was in surgery and his spleen or some sort ruptured. Once again, not the vet's fault.
Bottom line, sh__ happens. Get over it, stop being a baby. Your animal needs veterinary care and you're intentionally denying it that attention. At this point, you're currently ABUSING your animal via neglect to give it proper care and attention.
Good job.
marvelfreak
03-15-11, 06:17 PM
The worse thing is thst the treatment you are giving could well heal the external damage that is visible to you and just seal the infection into the jaw causing irreparable damage. I guess at least then when the snake dies you can convince yourself that it is something else that killed it and that you "cured" the mouth issue so you dont have to carry any guilt around.
Or he'll convince himself that the advice he got here was bad. Even though he ignore it. I know his type when it dies it be everybody, but his fault.
scottyy
03-15-11, 08:08 PM
omg how old are you scotty? Im willing to bet you are under 19!!
So now your saying you arent taking it to the vet because.....you think the vet will kill it???? when this whole thread has been, your taking it to the vet, you dont have the money for a vet, now Im self medicating, oh now i think the snake will die if i take it to the vet because that's what happened to my grandmas cat!!
Your lucky your on this forum, there are some great people here, other forums would have chewed you up and spit you out!!
If I knew your address I would be reporting you at this point for animal neglect, if your under age your parnets would be charged and the animal would be removed, hopefully your 18 so you could have been charged that snake would get a better home and maybe..maybe youd learn a lesson but going off this thread your not gonna learn a damn thing..people like you are why the reptile industry have such a bad name!!!
i am 17... and let yet the second war on this post begin. thats y i have been seeking help outside of this forum. i have been talking with local breeders (including the one i bought her from) for advice on what to do so now dont worry she will be fine.
Damion930
03-15-11, 08:24 PM
Lol best of luck scotty a vet realy is the best bet for any ailment you are unsure of and though a bit far feched I understand your vet fear. Its best to search around for one you can trust I hope after this if all works out you will find one. Breeders and people on forums will not always be able to help you. I know you probly feel as if everyone is against but they arnt they are just concerned for the beautiful snake you have ther. Hope you can learn from this experience however it turns out
scottyy
03-15-11, 09:12 PM
The worse thing is thst the treatment you are giving could well heal the external damage that is visible to you and just seal the infection into the jaw causing irreparable damage. I guess at least then when the snake dies you can convince yourself that it is something else that killed it and that you "cured" the mouth issue so you dont have to carry any guilt around.
well thank you for explaining that (and i am not being sarcastic in any way).
scottyy
03-15-11, 09:17 PM
Lol best of luck scotty a vet realy is the best bet for any ailment you are unsure of and though a bit far feched I understand your vet fear. Its best to search around for one you can trust I hope after this if all works out you will find one. Breeders and people on forums will not always be able to help you. I know you probly feel as if everyone is against but they arnt they are just concerned for the beautiful snake you have ther. Hope you can learn from this experience however it turns out
thank you and yes i have learned from this whether anybody believes it or not and i have learned that next time something like this happens that i have somebody i can call or email for advice instead of coming on here and being called irresponsible and being ridiculed for "giving the herp society a bad name". and yea definitely found a new vet because i will never trust that one again.
emilybier
03-15-11, 09:42 PM
I haven't read this ENTIRE thread because it is quite expansive, but I would like to say something scottyy. Anyone who hurt your feelings by calling you irresponsible only said it because they care about your animal and saving you from a loss.
It is not ok to say those things, but thats the reasoning.
If you are worried about people hurting your feelings or not, you probably shouldn't be involved a group with a common passion, especially when lives are at stake.
I live by the rule of thumb "if it looks like more than a slight irritation, take it to the vet quickly." If you don't live by that same rule, you will NOT like what people tell you here. I understand how hard it is to keep animals, especially exotics, and get by on next to nothing. I'm a student living in the red, but I know how to make a way for my animals. It can be done.
A note to everyone who posted anything defending/defeating scottyy vehemently: People respond MUCH better to positive reinforcement.
It is hard when you feel you could do better and save an animal, but this is scottyys animal. He is learning. He needs help, not to be chased away from a great source. There are better ways to make people aware that they need to change some things.
emilybier
03-15-11, 09:46 PM
However, the general response (and the correct response) to your questions are "Take it to the vet". I've tried to treat animals on my own and it doesn't work. We just don't know enough and we can't see your baby.
Sapphyr
03-15-11, 10:38 PM
We say he's being abusive, irresponsible, etc. because, despite what we told him, he refused to listen and take heed, even with a few of us sharing similar experiences where our animals died.
He seemed to lack any form of seriousness to the issue despite this, flip flopping between I'm taking it to the vet Saturday, I'm curing it myself, Gas is too high, I'm taking it Monday, I'm not taking it, I'm curing it myself again, Vets kill animals. It's ridiculous to claim you love your animal but carelessly throw its health around like it's not a big deal and it's unimportant.
Whether you like it or not, when you get a pet, you get the whole package. Meaning, you get illnesses, you get to pay for food, water, vet bills, enclosure, etc. You don't just get the pet and expect it to never get ill, or expect everything to be lollypops and sunshine, happy day! No, animals get sick, meaning somewhere down the line, a vet bill will need to be paid. As I've said, to expect not to is absolutely ridiculous, and you should realize this as a responsible pet owner.
This is the thing..I have a new perspective on this..he is living with his parents he isn't legally an adult his parents may be the ones not wanting to take it to the vet. it is in the end at this point their responsibility although I don't see them having much just because they let there teenager buy a retic lol..Me being a mother would never ever allow that. Thats alot of snake for someone so new to reptiles. Also who knows how much experience/knowledge his parents have had. They may say the snake is fine and what is the kid to do at that point.
It would have been much better if hed come out and say it though instead of giving us the run around for what 10 pages now lol
Isaac's Ark
03-16-11, 02:32 AM
Reptiles Have proven a few incredible things in my history of keeping them either they are going to bounce back or die. Even though you consult with the animals breeder that means nothing I am a breeder. I am 28 now been doing this since I was 13 and was working in a zoo at your age. Trust me when I tell you we breeders know nothing. Everyday we learn 10 things just to forget 100 and come to a harsh reality that there is literally 1000's of things to discover today you found lesson #1 study it closely and if you are lucky in 5 years it will be one of the 100 things you forget when you learn about genetics. That being said lesson #2 is not going to be easy to for some to swallow. Your age is of no consequence to the situation. Your dedication and maturity in the hobby will forever be the deciding factor because I have seen 14 year old's working with hots successfully and command a great deal of respect because of the wealth of information they have soaked up and are capable of sharing today. Your situation is a bit how must I say it... touchy would fit well. You see I posted in this thread early on and gave you some advice
seems like early signs of mouth rot it can be a bugger of an infection but rater simple to clear up if you are going to the vet soon you should be able to nip this one in the but. I am unaware of how you keep your retic housed but i noticed in my collection that a clean quarantine cage with a little TLC can put an abrupt end to such infections. Keep in mind something like this can become something much worst very fast especially when we are referring to the mouth region of snakes.
What you don't know about me is that I have a Animal Science Diploma in Veterinary assistance I attended college with one goal in mind I need to know how to use all the crazy veterinary tools even if it was just for my own collections progress. I then see the enclosure you are using and I almost cried. The Reticulated Python is the largest most intelligent and majestic species of pythons on earth and you can't keep it clean that is what bothers me not your age not the flip flop not even the reluctance to see a vet. The shear fact that you purchased this animal and could not provide basic care let alone quarantine care when things started to go down hill. When I originally saw the pictures if I felt the animal was in a dire conditions my reply would have indicated as much but the fact is I have seen animals bounce back with little to no change in husbandry care simply clinical quarantine and elevated temperatures with reduced humidity. This alone coupled with any diluted antibacterial solutions applied to the infected areas we use a 3 step strong clean, mild rinse and water rinse not to mention a shot of full spectrum antibiotics in order to protect the circulatory system form blood born pathogens such as IBD. I chose not to disclose the proper methods and still choose to keep this information off a public forum. Why? Because I am not a Doctor I spent 20'000 to learn for my self and my animals any malpractice on my behalf will lead to my own casualties not any one else'. You need to understand that owning one of the kings of the reptile world is a bold statement it says I am ready to play with the big boys there for you are treated as such and well big breeders and keepers are quick to call a foul when they see it especially in their own circles and well sSnakeSs.com is ours.
P.S Any one wanting to know what products we use for oral cleanings may PM us we can share this information just not publicly we try not to contribute information that would create a 13 year old first year expert we have learned quickly that we can piss out 1 ounce of information and end up with a pound of regurgitated lies.
P.P.S I still stand by the fact that I know nothing LOL
Isaac's Ark
Damion930
03-16-11, 02:57 AM
^^^ I like this guy lol
candyraver69
03-16-11, 05:34 AM
Scotty please try to find a vet that has experience with reptiles and get him in ASAP. Some of these guys might be a little harsh at times, but it is because they care so much about the animals and get emotional about it. Mean or not, they know what they are talking about.
I wouldnt trust a pet store as far as I can throw it, and some breeders are no different.
Some vets I wouldn't trust as far as I can throw them either! But not every vet is like that. Check around, look if you have a local reptile club that has a recommendation list. Sometimes you can find a vet that even though they don't know about reptiles are willing to consult with people who do to get your pet the treatment they need.
If you can't afford a vet, you can't afford a vet. In that case you really need to make the hard choice to find him a new home. See if there is a reptile shelter in your area. It's not easy, I've been there. I had to give up my burm and I loved her so much, enough to do the right thing. I was about your age and thought I could handle it (because I was mislead by petstore people) and was so wrong. It expensive to own pets. It doesn't mean you can never have a snake, it just means right now that snake deserves a good life. Someday when you have a job and can afford a $1000 vet visit on a whim would be a better time to own this type of pet.
scottyy
03-17-11, 12:49 PM
Scotty please try to find a vet that has experience with reptiles and get him in ASAP. Some of these guys might be a little harsh at times, but it is because they care so much about the animals and get emotional about it. Mean or not, they know what they are talking about.
I wouldnt trust a pet store as far as I can throw it, and some breeders are no different.
Some vets I wouldn't trust as far as I can throw them either! But not every vet is like that. Check around, look if you have a local reptile club that has a recommendation list. Sometimes you can find a vet that even though they don't know about reptiles are willing to consult with people who do to get your pet the treatment they need.
If you can't afford a vet, you can't afford a vet. In that case you really need to make the hard choice to find him a new home. See if there is a reptile shelter in your area. It's not easy, I've been there. I had to give up my burm and I loved her so much, enough to do the right thing. I was about your age and thought I could handle it (because I was mislead by petstore people) and was so wrong. It expensive to own pets. It doesn't mean you can never have a snake, it just means right now that snake deserves a good life. Someday when you have a job and can afford a $1000 vet visit on a whim would be a better time to own this type of pet.
yeah pet stores are horrible when it comes to advice. well hopefully in the next few weeks i will have a job
scottyy
03-17-11, 12:58 PM
This is the thing..I have a new perspective on this..he is living with his parents he isn't legally an adult his parents may be the ones not wanting to take it to the vet. it is in the end at this point their responsibility although I don't see them having much just because they let there teenager buy a retic lol..Me being a mother would never ever allow that. Thats alot of snake for someone so new to reptiles. Also who knows how much experience/knowledge his parents have had. They may say the snake is fine and what is the kid to do at that point.
It would have been much better if hed come out and say it though instead of giving us the run around for what 10 pages now lol
thing about that is i had to convince my dad to let me get a snake because he is the one that hates them. my mother is becoming more comfortable with her and at least touches her and ever since i got the snake my dad hasnt been in my room lol. yea my mom was the reason why i had to cancel the appointment on saturday and the reason why the peroxide idea came up and then when the guy at the expo said to try it out (we didnt even mention it to him. i just showed him some pics and thats wat he said).
Lankyrob
03-17-11, 01:02 PM
Well, hopefully, this if nothing else has made you realise how people react when they dont know all the facts. To be honest you would have had a completely different response from me if you had given the full facts of the situation rather than chopping and changing your story.
Work on your parents to get them to let a vet check your snake out, show them this thread and let them read the responses - maybe it will help persuade them that the best course of action is professional intervention.
Good luck
DeesBalls
03-17-11, 01:04 PM
any luck yet?
Jenn_06
03-17-11, 01:06 PM
i have to ask does your mom and dad know how big this snake is going to get? i mean if i was not into snakes and my son wanted one i would let him have a BP not a retic. What size did the breeder tell you she is going to be full grown?
scottyy
03-17-11, 08:13 PM
any luck yet?
the swelling is almost completely gone
scottyy
03-17-11, 08:20 PM
i have to ask does your mom and dad know how big this snake is going to get? i mean if i was not into snakes and my son wanted one i would let him have a BP not a retic. What size did the breeder tell you she is going to be full grown?
yea they know but i will be moved out by the time she reaches full length (not living alone of course). and the breeder told me to expect 16 or 17 feet. yea i would have gotten a BP but i wanted a monster because i thought that it would be enough for me to take care of, but snakes are addicting...
I'm glad the swelling is going down. I would still encourage you to take it to the vet when you get a chance just to get a lookover. A checkup should be <$100 so try to talk your parents into it.
Btw, I'm just curious to know how you're affording this snake at all. Do you have a part time job? Who is paying for its food, enclosures, etc? You said you're 17 so are you planning on going to university/college? Who is going to take care of the snake if/when you're in school? Most institutes don't allow giant snakes in their dorms.
It will take some time for your retic to reach full size but retics are known to hit 7- 10 feet in their first year. That isn't full size but it is still a large, large snake that will need at least a 4x2x1' enclosure. But then they keep growing and growing and you'll need larger and larger enclosures.
What's your long-term plan for this snake?
TeaNinja
03-18-11, 07:18 AM
honestly it's no one's business how he pays for the snake. wether he has a job or his parents pay for it makes no difference. this forum is to ask questions and give information, not to nitpick and demand information that no one should even be asking.
he will have to find somewhere appropriate to live and find proper housing for the snake. even if he doesn't, it's none of our business. we can offer him our opinions of what the right thing to do is, but i for one think everyone judging and demanding to know his future plans and nitpicking everything just to rant is just stupid.
if he does live with his parents and they let him get the snake/know he has it, they should know how big it gets and what it will need as an adult. if they don't they/he will have to deal with the consequences.
the thread is about the retics mouth.
Isaac's Ark
03-18-11, 08:03 AM
Thank you TeaNinja. A little full of our self are we? I felt like I was reading a line of government questioning, worry about your burms let him worry about his retic and the 2 of you will grow in this hobby together. Such questioning is inappropriate. The New World Order is not here yet so lets not usher it in ok.
I'm just concerned about the general health of his retic, how he plans on bringing it back to health, and how he plans on keeping it healthy. My questions are real life considerations that every animal keeper should think about. One's finances will have a direct impact on one's ability to care for an animal.
Sapphyr
03-18-11, 12:24 PM
Sorry Tea, but I kind of disagree with you. Yes, I understand this is a thread about the mouth, but after all this, it really makes us concerned about the general health, and the life, this snake will be getting. It's not to nit pick or to rant, it's genuine concern for this animal's well being.
I'm sure Maitre isn't trying to start anything, they're just concerned, as would any one else be. I believe we all have a right to be concerned about this animal.
I know that, for parents that aren't really into reptiles, the parents generally aren't all that educated about reptiles, let alone a specific snake. Once again, I'm not saying his parents aren't educated, but I'd assume they aren't 100% filled in. If they are, then kudos. I applaud a family that's willing to fork out that much money for their son just on his wants and not needs. I know my parents would sooner smack me upside the head than pay for new enclosures that will cost hundreds of dollars because I'm unemployed and can't afford it myself.
It's just, they need to know this snake will grow at a fairly fast rate, as Maitre said. It won't reach full size for 2 - 3 years, maybe even more than that, but it will still be a -big- snake within its first year. I don't know the employment state up in Canada, but if it's anything like it is here, Scott will be waiting a long time for a job. Meanwhile, his snake will be growing, growing, growing and will need a few upgrades to accommadate the growth rate.
scottyy
03-18-11, 01:05 PM
I'm glad the swelling is going down. I would still encourage you to take it to the vet when you get a chance just to get a lookover. A checkup should be <$100 so try to talk your parents into it.
Btw, I'm just curious to know how you're affording this snake at all. Do you have a part time job? Who is paying for its food, enclosures, etc? You said you're 17 so are you planning on going to university/college? Who is going to take care of the snake if/when you're in school? Most institutes don't allow giant snakes in their dorms.
It will take some time for your retic to reach full size but retics are known to hit 7- 10 feet in their first year. That isn't full size but it is still a large, large snake that will need at least a 4x2x1' enclosure. But then they keep growing and growing and you'll need larger and larger enclosures.
What's your long-term plan for this snake?
well i plan on getting an apartment. i plan on building my own custom enclosure out of melamine for her and i am considering using a radiant heat panel for it. the apartments dont care as long as it is a caged animal so thats all good. working on the part time job though (just putting out applications to many different places). and well i gotta hurry and get a job to save up money for the enclosure which i priced would cost around 600 bucks and the very least. at the vet i found an examination is like 45 bucks so it wont be too expensive. (yet another edit) the college i am going to is literally within 2 miles from my house.
scottyy
03-18-11, 01:10 PM
Sorry Tea, but I kind of disagree with you. Yes, I understand this is a thread about the mouth, but after all this, it really makes us concerned about the general health, and the life, this snake will be getting. It's not to nit pick or to rant, it's genuine concern for this animal's well being.
I'm sure Maitre isn't trying to start anything, they're just concerned, as would any one else be. I believe we all have a right to be concerned about this animal.
I know that, for parents that aren't really into reptiles, the parents generally aren't all that educated about reptiles, let alone a specific snake. Once again, I'm not saying his parents aren't educated, but I'd assume they aren't 100% filled in. If they are, then kudos. I applaud a family that's willing to fork out that much money for their son just on his wants and not needs. I know my parents would sooner smack me upside the head than pay for new enclosures that will cost hundreds of dollars because I'm unemployed and can't afford it myself.
It's just, they need to know this snake will grow at a fairly fast rate, as Maitre said. It won't reach full size for 2 - 3 years, maybe even more than that, but it will still be a -big- snake within its first year. I don't know the employment state up in Canada, but if it's anything like it is here, Scott will be waiting a long time for a job. Meanwhile, his snake will be growing, growing, growing and will need a few upgrades to accommadate the growth rate.
well they didnt pay for her or her enclosures or her food. i had/have to. and here in michigan its not too bad. my friends at school can find a job so i figure i should be able to find something. and i think that i will get a 4x2x1 enclosure and then upgrade to her lifetime enclosure
Jenn_06
03-18-11, 01:17 PM
where in MI are you? and for 600 you can get a really nice cage for that and its great for retics, if you want to know there website just PM me.
TeaNinja
03-18-11, 06:41 PM
I'm just concerned about the general health of his retic, how he plans on bringing it back to health, and how he plans on keeping it healthy. My questions are real life considerations that every animal keeper should think about. One's finances will have a direct impact on one's ability to care for an animal.
so you think by grilling into him and questioning him for abunch of personal info it will help? if he ended up failing miserably are you going to drive to his house and pick up the snake. if not i do not see the point in such direct personal questions.
Sorry Tea, but I kind of disagree with you. Yes, I understand this is a thread about the mouth, but after all this, it really makes us concerned about the general health, and the life, this snake will be getting. It's not to nit pick or to rant, it's genuine concern for this animal's well being.
I'm sure Maitre isn't trying to start anything, they're just concerned, as would any one else be. I believe we all have a right to be concerned about this animal.
I know that, for parents that aren't really into reptiles, the parents generally aren't all that educated about reptiles, let alone a specific snake. Once again, I'm not saying his parents aren't educated, but I'd assume they aren't 100% filled in. If they are, then kudos. I applaud a family that's willing to fork out that much money for their son just on his wants and not needs. I know my parents would sooner smack me upside the head than pay for new enclosures that will cost hundreds of dollars because I'm unemployed and can't afford it myself.
It's just, they need to know this snake will grow at a fairly fast rate, as Maitre said. It won't reach full size for 2 - 3 years, maybe even more than that, but it will still be a -big- snake within its first year. I don't know the employment state up in Canada, but if it's anything like it is here, Scott will be waiting a long time for a job. Meanwhile, his snake will be growing, growing, growing and will need a few upgrades to accommadate the growth rate.
once again i'm going to emphasize, it's HIS business. sure you can be concerned for his animal, and like i said you can give him all the pointers in the world on what cage to have, how to feed it, what substrate and many other points. but to demand abunch of personal information on the internet in front of thousands of people to pretty much attempt to show how incompetant he is as a handler is complete BS. if he moves out of his parents house with his snake, he will have to make the correct decisions for it, probably along with some good advice around here. if he doesn't move out of his parents house and they don't know it's going to be a monster, they will find out and have to deal with it. they should have looked in his room and known that he had a snake and asked him about it. if I were a parent and my child were to get something like that, i'd research it like a smart person.
like i said before, his snake will eventually become a monster. if he or his parents don't understand and take precautions for this, they will suffer.
other then offering good advice and opinions it's none of our business.
i'm a very nice person, but when i see people taking low blows on each other it pisses me off.
Lankyrob
03-18-11, 07:14 PM
Just gone back and reread maitre's post to see what the fuss is about and to be honest, to me, it sounds more like maitre is raising potential problems for scotty to think about rwther than demanding personal information. If scotty gave a simple "i have considered all these points, thanks" answer then that would be as acceptable as the answers he did give. As scotty seemedto have no issue with the wuestions (he has shown previously that he can answer anything he doesnt like) then teaninja you are exagerating a problem that isnt really there.
TeaNinja
03-18-11, 07:37 PM
ofc i can't tell verbal context from the text, but i just feel like everything maitre said are things that are complete common knowledge and maybe he just felt like sparking something. if i'm wrong and he was just trying to help him for future snake care then i take it back in this one instance, but i've seen countless other posts that are perfect examples of what i'm talking about.
Last five pages; nothing but semantics. Let this thread die already.
emilybier
03-18-11, 09:38 PM
^^^ Agreed.
emilybier
03-18-11, 09:39 PM
I say we end this and handle the situation better next time. Everyone agrees that the snake should go to the vet and that he should be expecting his snake to grow up to be huge. Other than that, what is done is done, and this is just beating a dead horse.
DeesBalls
03-18-11, 10:44 PM
the swelling is almost completely gone
well that's good:) hope Iit's going good for ya.
scottyy
03-19-11, 07:07 AM
where in MI are you? and for 600 you can get a really nice cage for that and its great for retics, if you want to know there website just PM me.
i live in muskegon
Sapphyr
03-20-11, 06:00 AM
Sorry, didn't notice he was in the US. Down here, it took one of my friends 6 months to find a job. The other took 8 months. Just saying, you could be in for a long wait. I'm honestly expecting a long... long... wait for my job when I do start applying. I really hope Summer Hiring saves my hind from waiting too long.
And Tea, we're not trying to take low blows. If I were trying to take low blows, trust me, you'd know. We're just concerned and trying to help. And as Rob said, Scott doesn't seem to mind.
Also, you should know I'm, generally, a nice person. I don't try and pick fights with anyone.
I don't see how my questions were low blows at all. I asked how he was going to feed/house his snakes and what his short-term/long-term plans are for the snake. Those are legitimate questions that scottyy did not seem to mind. Also, like sapphyr said, if we were taking low blows, it would be obvious.
scottyy, I'm glad you have at least some sort of plan sketched out on how you are going to fund/care for your retic. I hope she fully recovers and lives a long, healthy life.
TeaNinja
03-20-11, 06:32 AM
your questions weren't really low blows, i just saw the post really late at night and felt like you were questioning him for the sake of bitching him out on the bad details he may have answered. just reminded me of some other posts of people cutting into each other for no good reason. i guess i overreacted, i appologize.
i personally wouldn't have even asked the questions you asked, but that's just me.
Reptile_Reptile
03-20-11, 12:22 PM
scottyy i know you've caught some serious crap here but i hope you stick around.
Rolf Oldenburg
03-20-11, 01:05 PM
Can we see some pictures of the snakes mouth?
Really wondering how it looks now.
scottyy
03-20-11, 04:12 PM
Can we see some pictures of the snakes mouth?
Really wondering how it looks now.
it looks better and i will start a new thread for it sense this one is about 11 pages now lol. it will have to be tomorrow because i fed her yesterday and i can still see the lump from the rat in her so once she gets that all digested i will post some pics
it looks better and i will start a new thread for it sense this one is about 11 pages now lol. it will have to be tomorrow because i fed her yesterday and i can still see the lump from the rat in her so once she gets that all digested i will post some pics
I'm glad she's eating!
scottyy
03-22-11, 01:16 PM
I'm glad she's eating!
she is always ready to eat. she can smell the rat when i am thawing it out
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