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Max713
02-24-11, 12:49 AM
First of all, I'm Max :)
Right now I'm the proud owner of a 6 month old Argentine Black and White Tegu, Kimosabi (Kimo for short).
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So I've got my next reptile planned, and it's got to be a Jungle Carpet! I've never been taken by a snake like this! Everything I would want in a snake, gorgeous looks, completely manageable size, relatively easy care, small housing requirements, generally good temperament with effort, and a long life. I plan on picking one up at a local reptile show on either April 30th or August 13th, and I'm trying to get everything in order before then.

From what I understand, Carpets grow very slow, only reaching ~4' at 2 years of age, and require such a small space! The general rule I've heard is one square foot of floor space for every foot of snake, and an enclosure no taller than 24". That means an 8' adult can be housed in a 4'x2'x2' for life very comfortably! That would be so easy! I spoke with several breeders all ready, 2 of which actually preferred slightly smaller enclosures at 36"x24"x15", both reporting years of successful keeping with said setup. I just can't believe they thrive in such a small space.

Enclosure Plans:
I would be building the cage similar to my current Tegu cage:
-Plywood walls
-Drylock Sealer
-Painted black outside
-Built in light fixture
-Plexiglass front window
-4'x2'x2'

I've been told Carpets require a smaller space as a juvenile to feel comfortable, either a 10 or 20 gallon. Which I would house the snake until it was about 4', then he would move in to her new roomy 4x2. Cage size recommendations definitely varied from source to source, but one thing that didn't vary was the fact that bigger is most definitely not always better with this particular snake.

Light/Heating:
-Due to the low temperatures required, lighting will be minimal, but I'm having a hard time deciding which type will work best, but what ever it is, it will be completely un-reachable for the snake to avoid any burns
-Heating will be provided by some sort of mat or under tank heater on the hot side
-12 hours light, 12 hours dark

Husbandry plans:
-Humidity, a highly debated subject but I'm almost convinced high humidity is not needed. The happy medium seems to be around 50%, which is my plan as of now.
-Temperatures: A 75-80F cold side, 90-95F hot.
-Furniture, I'll provide 2 hides (one on the cold and hot side), plenty of climbing logs, and lots of foliage
-Constant fresh water in a bowl large enough for the snake to soak itself
-I will be using the same substrate as I do with my Tegu, Coco Husk - Coarse

I understand that there are some cases where carpets never seem to calm down, although my understanding is that for the most part they are a very docile and friendly snake.

Feeding
I would start her off on pinky rats, as I've been told its sometimes difficult to make the switch from mice to rats when one starts with feeding mice. As the snake grows, I will begin feeding larger and larger rats.
-Feed once ever 5-7 days as juveniles, and once every 2 weeks for adults


Some questions I have:
-Although I've been told a 90-95F hot side is preferred, I can't seem to find reliable info on the preferred basking surface temp
-How much should I expect to spend on a "normal" jungle carpet at a show? I understand prices vary significantly depending on color, breeding, etc, but I will be looking for a rather normal and reasonably priced snake. I've seen them online anywhere from $125, to in the thousands, I just have no idea of what to expect at a show.
-I need lighting tips for the hot side! Florescent bulbs? Halogen flood lamp?
-Please let me know if I'm missing anything, or have any wrong information!

Wow that was a long read, sorry about that...

shaunyboy
02-24-11, 04:22 AM
imo you have everything correct except your heating source mate

mats are terrible for not being able to give ambient air temperatures

its only carpets i work with and all my tanks use ceramic set ups
with the exception of my diamonds who have different husbandry needs

carpets have no specific humidity requirements like you say

over in the uk they shed perfect everytime at room humidity

i must warn you carpet pythons are very addictive so don't be too surprized if you end up with a house full of them mate

my morelia fascination started with a jungle and these days i work with carpets well into double figures

imo they are easy to keep and very forgiving if mistakes are made an all round hardy species

i hope you find the jungle your looking for

re lighting etc i use non light emmiting ceramic bulbs with heavy duty guards on them and have no problems with them

my lot gets natural seasonal light cycles due to a window in the room they're kept

cheers shaun

Lankyrob
02-24-11, 04:56 AM
Cant add anything - Shauny is the god of carpets imo - listen to his advice and you wont go wrong.

marvelfreak
02-24-11, 06:16 AM
Hello and welcome first off nice Tegu and it's nice too see that you done so much research in advance.
Like Shauny my snake get natural light in the room from windows, but i also have florescent bulbs. Which i only use at night to see if i have to get in their cage. As far as price at show they tend to be cheaper so i say $150.00 or least. i would guess you could find them for a $100.00 at a show.

Jendee
02-24-11, 08:33 AM
I agree with ^^^ that guy lol Its refreshing to see someone research before purchasing the animals. Ive (sadly) even seen people get animals from CGL or free they hop on a forum and say Im going to breed these guys and yet they no nothing about keeping just one lol
so cheers to you!!!
Carpet pythons are gorgeous!! I had a jungle carpet when I was 16, I was still new to snakes..he hated me..he wanted to kill me... but when I wore him around my shoulders around the park he helped me get lots of numbers ;)(which is probably why he bit me so much lol)

Max713
02-24-11, 10:07 AM
Shaun- That's good to hear from you, I've seen your threads, you seem to be quite successful and knowledgeable with JCP's!
I hadn't thought of ceramics before although that was my biggest road block, trying to figure out a heat source that would provide adequate ambient temps while supporting a hot and cold side. Unfortunately it would be hard to get much natural light to the enclosure, sow now I'm thinking along the lines of using a 50-100w ceramic element, and a cage length florescent tube light. Florescents don't put off too much heat, I was hoping they could be used for lighting without screwing up the heat gradient too badly.
I know what you mean by being addictive, how could you not get addicted to such a beautiful and easy to care for animal!
I've never had the need to find a "cage" for a heat element, do you make your own cages, or is there a favorite that you buy? Either or, would you mind posting a picture example or link?

Marvel- Thanks! Kimo will always be my number one little buddy, although soon enough he won't be so little anymore :)
I've been an active member on Tegu forums for quite a while, and I know how irritating it is repeating yourself over and over, telling people to research an animal, as there are very specific care requirements for each and they have no idea what they're getting into. This is especially true for Tegu's, as they require a lot of work, and a massive enclosure as an adult.

Jendee- Thank you! Hopefully mine won't hate me... haha, I'm confident in my husbandry skills, I have no doubt that after some time I'll have a very happy and docile snake.

Lankyrob
02-24-11, 10:22 AM
You DEFINITELY need to enclose the heat element in a snakes cage - if not you will end up with a dead snake or a very badly burned snake anyways. They WILL wrap arond the bulb if they can get to it.

Max713
02-24-11, 10:35 AM
You DEFINITELY need to enclose the heat element in a snakes cage - if not you will end up with a dead snake or a very badly burned snake anyways. They WILL wrap arond the bulb if they can get to it.
I'm aware of that, I'm sorry if my post indicated otherwise, my question was what type of cage do people use for ceramics? A custom cage, or store bought? Pictures or links would be much appreciated too.

Lankyrob
02-24-11, 10:36 AM
Cage for ceramics as in - what do you encliose the bulb specifically or what do you make the whole viv out of?

Sorry if i got the wrong end of the stick - mind is a bit foggy today.

Max713
02-24-11, 10:45 AM
Cage for ceramics as in - what do you encliose the bulb specifically or what do you make the whole viv out of?

Sorry if i got the wrong end of the stick - mind is a bit foggy today.

Maybe I shouldn't have used the word cage, but yes I was just referring to the "cage" surrounding the bulb, not the entire enclosure(viv).

marvelfreak
02-24-11, 12:06 PM
Maybe I shouldn't have used the word cage, but yes I was just referring to the "cage" surrounding the bulb, not the entire enclosure(viv).
Check out this site and scroll down to bulb guards, then just click on a size.
EBV Retail Supplies - Heating, Lighting, & Accessories (http://www.eastbayvivarium.com/supplies/heating.html)

Max713
02-24-11, 12:16 PM
Check out this site and scroll down to bulb guards, then just click on a size.
EBV Retail Supplies - Heating, Lighting, & Accessories (http://www.eastbayvivarium.com/supplies/heating.html)

Perfect! But I don't see how to order, is that an in store purchase type of site? Also, they don't list dimensions, curious how big the cage would need to be for the walls to be far enough away from the bulb (100w ceramic) so that the cage itself doesn't get hot enough to burn the snake.
I've never used any type of bulb guard/cage, so I have no idea how large the cage would need to be to dissipate heat appropriately.

mld
02-24-11, 06:22 PM
You can make your own cover out of hardware cloth!

There is also the type that you can use for your clamp lamp.
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