.(Corn Snake laid eggs!) - Update! they hatched! [Archive]

Shmoges

02-14-11, 11:29 PM

So long story short we had an oops with our corns about a month ago and about a week ago what I thought was the male shed and then about 3 hours ago the fiance found 20 suprises in a moist hide.

http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0003.jpg
We decided we wanted to get the eggs into an incubator right away and not spend probably as much for materials making one.

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Anyone need vermiculite??? Jesus H Christ! It must be a 20lbs. bag but its all they had at home depot then we get home and the reptibator says you can use perlite and of course they had small bags of that, too late now :P

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I didn't get bit but she really didn't want to let go of them. the 4 out of the pile were like that so mabye they are bad?

http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0013.jpg
We put the 4 loose eggs to one side in case they are bad and as you can see laid them about 1/3 to 1/2 into the verm, also we hydrated it a bit less than 4 to 3 because we could squeeze out water still.

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Funny sticker

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I put analog gauges inside as backups, we have the temp set at 80 and the humid is at 89. Our first "unexpected" clutch male bloodred motley, female anery. We will most likely craigs list, pet store, or herp club the babies. that is if they make it.

Suggestions appreciated

blindfireak40

02-14-11, 11:40 PM

Hahahahaha oh that's just precious!! Best of luck to you and (all 20) of yours on this very special Valentine's day!! Make sure to take plenty of pictures when they hatch out!!

mld

02-15-11, 05:57 AM

Now thats a wonderful V Day gift! That would have just blown me away, good luck with your eggs. Liking that baby spring mix, hope they all hatch for you. If you have too many babies you can always send one my way:)

marvelfreak

02-15-11, 08:52 AM

Congrats and best of luck.

Will0W783

02-15-11, 09:03 AM

Awesome V-day gift. Congrats and I hope you get a great hatch rate! :)

Sapphyr

02-15-11, 10:38 AM

Awww, that's just precious! Definitely need pics when they hatch! :D

citysnakes

02-15-11, 10:59 AM

congrats on the clutch! good luck and post hatching pics!

presspirate

02-15-11, 11:10 AM

Congrats! Hope the oops turns into AWWWWW's:yes:

Shmoges

02-15-11, 09:12 PM

Thanks everyone! I take it we might be doing things right? MLD - So you convinced the husband to be ok with a snake??!! lol. If not you got 2-3 months to work on him.

Shmoges

02-15-11, 09:15 PM

Heres the mom looking for her eggs, she lost alot of weight
http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/sdft.jpg

http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0018.jpg
and she ate the next day!!!

Shmoges

02-15-11, 09:22 PM

Thank you to a mod I think for adding the snake eggs part to the title. Kinda makes sence :D

serpentshideawa

02-15-11, 10:30 PM

How many eggs are there?

Shmoges

02-15-11, 10:55 PM

twenty eggs. as far as I can tell they all look health though 4 weren't in the clutch as the pic shows

mld

02-16-11, 06:42 PM

Thanks everyone! I take it we might be doing things right? MLD - So you convinced the husband to be ok with a snake??!! lol. If not you got 2-3 months to work on him.

I'm always working on him! LOL I just might wait till your Kenyan San Boas have babies! So when will that be?

Shmoges

02-16-11, 11:01 PM

LOL well my fiance texted me today asking if I would be mad if she got a albino KSB het for paradox.....uh these things are like potato chips.

blindfireak40

02-16-11, 11:22 PM

Absolutely. I practically have to hide my own car keys and keep muttering "School money is for school, not snakes" to keep from buying at least 1 more corn and maybe a boid, for starters.

serpentshideawa

02-17-11, 10:03 AM

room is the only thing preventing me from adding to my collection at the moment :/

Aaron_S

02-17-11, 12:32 PM

Be sure to let us know how that incubator works!!!

Also, if the mom is looking for eggs then clean out the cage entirely. Wipe everything down with a bleach solution or what I do, water/vinegar solution. She won't eat unless she thinks there's no babies.

Sapphyr

02-17-11, 12:32 PM

room is the only thing preventing me from adding to my collection at the moment :/

Same here ;c I'd loooove to get a ball python at this next expo, but I can't take in anything else of that size until I move out, get my own place, instead of living in this one room with half my creatures LOL

This hognose is going to be the absolute last thing I get. I know that if I got anything else after it, I'd be lucky to fit all my critters in my car when I make the hour and a half drive to Cincinnati, Ohio. Gonna have to pull down the back seat so I'll have this larrrrge space in the back to get my 4 tanks, 1 medium dog crate, 6 cat carriers, and my pitbull to fit LOL. My pitty has a huge bar crate, but that'd take up the entire back space. It's better to just fold it up and toss it in the moving truck, she's well behaved anyways. Same thing will go for my Golden Malaysian Gecko. She's kept in a tall 100g enclosure. Will have to keep her in a small container for the trip and throw her enclosure in the moving truck as well. My car has a little shelf in the front so I can just set her there and all will be fine. Definitely hoping to expand once I've moved out and settled, though!

Also thinking about breeding geckos or snakes later on. How much did that incubator cost and is it good for any reptile? If it is I'll be sure to keep it in memory/bookmarked for future purposes.

Shmoges

02-17-11, 08:44 PM

Update. The mom ate about 5 hours after removing the eggs and the next day we found a very stinky regurge :P I'm thinking stress from the birth and offering food to soon? I have been told that I may want to wait a week from the regurge before offering again. She is not searching for eggs at all now, just hanging out in her hide by the heater. I'm not touching her or anything till next feed so hopefully she will destress some.

Shmoges

04-26-11, 09:37 PM

Well its been over 2 months now and we put a light to the eggs tonight to see if we could see anything. There seems to be shadowing from something wrapped around in the lower half of the eggs. All 19 still have veining and look red or pink with a light on them so I assume they are good an no mold either. I have seen other peoples eggs and they have dimples on them but ours are plump like fat grapes, well large olives is more like it. We have kept them in a constant 80 degrees with 78+ humidity, the temp guage on teh incubator has gotten to 85 a few times recently with the summer heating things up but I assume things are still ok.

sickvenom

04-26-11, 10:00 PM

the zoo med incubator has received bad reviews because of its inconsistency. also, you really don't want to pull apart the eggs. you risk tearing them, plus you want the keep the eggs in the same direction as you found them. if you pull them apart, you could disrupt that position. hopefully they will all hatch and everyone will be healthy.

Shmoges

04-26-11, 10:18 PM

I was very careful to not put any in the wrong way that would disturb the bubble and ruin the egg. Separating the eggs as I have read has advantages and disadvantages and if your careful... you wont tear them. I watched a lot of videos before I tried it and it wasn't bad at all. I don't like the idea of having a clump of eggs and the one at the bottom in the middle goes bad and rots or molds and good eggs around it could be lost because of it. This is our first egg clutch and I'm sure we have made mistakes and have learned a lot as well. I have payed attention to the mechanical temp and humidity gauges I put in the incubator and they have reflected the same readings for over 2 months so I guess I got a good one or it hasn't failed yet... For the money and the oh crap we need a incubator asap it can't be beat IMO.

sickvenom

04-26-11, 10:45 PM

blindfireak40

05-03-11, 10:44 PM

Had anything yet, Shmoges?

Shmoges

05-05-11, 03:10 PM

May 5th and I am starting to wonder if they will ever hatch??
80 degrees with 80%+ humidity for almost 3 months. I can't believe I haven't gotten mold yet honestly.

http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0006-4.jpg

stephanbakir

05-05-11, 03:19 PM

The suspense must be killin ya:P

stephanbakir

05-05-11, 03:20 PM

On a side note I'm gona laugh if a friend of yours swapped out your eggs for chicken eggs and has yours already hatched and waiting for you to figure it out:P

Shmoges

05-05-11, 04:36 PM

I would be more than suprized to see chicks in the container.

Lankyrob

05-05-11, 04:40 PM

On a side note I'm gona laugh if a friend of yours swapped out your eggs for chicken eggs and has yours already hatched and waiting for you to figure it out:P

That would actually be funny as anything, would love to see shmoges face if that ever happened!

Shmoges

05-05-11, 04:45 PM

NEW MORPH!! I'll call it legfeather!

stephanbakir

05-05-11, 09:36 PM

NEW MORPH!! I'll call it legfeather!

If it proves out I want the first one you sell!

serpentshideawa

05-05-11, 09:45 PM

Do you have pics yet?

Shmoges

05-05-11, 10:01 PM

its a joke about the morph lol as far as pics I only got white round things still :P

stephanbakir

05-05-11, 10:07 PM

its a joke about the morph lol as far as pics I only got white round things still :P

Crank it up to 9001 and lets see those babies!

(duno if you guys are gona get that one:P)

Shmoges

05-09-11, 09:24 PM

02-14-2011 to 05-9-2011

84 days of incubation at 80 degrees and 80+% humidity

7 hatches atm with 5 normals and 2 anery

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http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0008-8.jpg

Now My questions When and or should I cut the remaining eggs?? When should I relocate them to there enclosures? I am assuming after a day or so out of the egg. I will not be removing them from there eggs as I have known its a very bad thing to do as they could die from it.

infernalis

05-09-11, 10:47 PM

Congratulations "daddy"

http://www.rockalbumblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/have_a_cigar_cover.jpg

sassy_snake_lady

05-10-11, 02:03 AM

Aww cute little noses! ;)

Congrats!

ilovemypets1988

05-10-11, 05:13 AM

awwww well done, i love those nose shots :)

Shmoges

05-10-11, 07:17 AM

Since last night one more has pipped but the other 11 haven't done anything yet

blindfireak40

05-10-11, 08:38 AM

I've no clue, but congratulations!! At least nine...uhh...Bouncing?? I guess? Yeah, Bouncing Baby Corns!! :D

1.2.9(+11?) Cornsnakes, now :D

stephanbakir

05-10-11, 03:57 PM

Now My questions When and or should I cut the remaining eggs?? When should I relocate them to there enclosures? I am assuming after a day or so out of the egg. I will not be removing them from there eggs as I have known its a very bad thing to do as they could die from it.

Now that they are starting to hatch you can cut the eggs, especially since they are overdue as it is. Generally we wait till 30% hatches and cut the rest because some are born without the egg tooth (make sure to only slit the egg because some will remain in the egg for a long time (one of our clutches hatched at 71 days, and one of the snakes didn't come out till the 83rd day))

Shmoges

05-10-11, 06:11 PM

RandyRhoads

05-10-11, 06:16 PM

Congrats! As for needing vermiculite, I don't know why they don't make smaller bags anymore. I use it alot for my oyster mushroom cultivation and still have half of one of those bags left.

blindfireak40

05-11-11, 12:38 AM

What's the final morph count?? :D

puff7

05-11-11, 04:04 AM

How are the new born's doing????

stephanbakir

05-11-11, 08:04 AM

Ok, they are all cut. I started it just enough to get a blunt end forceps in there then tried to cut it further with a razor. God I got worried when I would see a little blood from a shell vein. One looks like its upside down in the egg but they all look developed.

Just give them time and make sure flys cant get in.

Best way to slit an egg is to pinch it slightly, and cut within the pinch

Shmoges

05-11-11, 10:51 PM

Well we have 6 aneries, 5 normals, 6 still pipping, one DOA (wrapped up in its umbilical), and one escape artist normal. We have since separated aneries from normals and put them in two bins in one of our racks. These tubs we bought have a fatal flaw in teh lid that lets the snakes out :P they would be great for a custom rack themselves or just storage for now :P

Seriously this one little worm got out and is MIA big time in like 2 hours.

puff7

05-12-11, 02:53 AM

Thats crazy but sounds like over all things are good?

Millinex

05-12-11, 11:28 AM

Looking forward to my 15 hatching in a few weeks!

-Mike

blindfireak40

05-13-11, 08:10 AM

Grats on the success!! Let's see pics!! :D

Shmoges

05-13-11, 08:54 PM

http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0003-8.jpg
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http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0006-6.jpg
Still haven't found the missing normal :P I hate these tubs.
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Shmoges

05-13-11, 08:56 PM

http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0002-5.jpg

Its been busy lately, sorry it took me so long to post some more pics. So being that the father was motley and the mother was anery with amel siblings. Would that mean that since half are anery and half are normal that both parents are het for anery? Then doesn that mean that the babies are 100% het anery 50% het motley? Or are they actually 100% het albino due to the mothers siblings?

stephanbakir

05-13-11, 11:19 PM

No worries, those pics were worth the wait!

xScoutx

05-13-11, 11:33 PM

Oh my gosh they're all so cute!! Congrats!!!!

blindfireak40

05-15-11, 08:51 AM

Its been busy lately, sorry it took me so long to post some more pics. So being that the father was motley and the mother was anery with amel siblings. Would that mean that since half are anery and half are normal that both parents are het for anery? Then doesn that mean that the babies are 100% het anery 50% het motley? Or are they actually 100% het albino due to the mothers siblings?

Okay. Since mom is Anery, she has two recessive genes (Homozygous for Anery); all of the normals are het for anery. The fact that you got Anery's at all means Dad is het Anery. IF one of momma's parents was Amel, then she would be het Amel, meaning that there would be a 50% chance that any one of your babies would be het Amel. It could be higher if Dad has any Amel in his ancestry, but it's at least 50% (Although the fact that you got no snows or Amels says Dad is probably homozygous for Normal at the Amel "locus").

As for the patterning, it sorta depends. The Motley locus has three possible genes that could be there: Normal, Motley, or Stripe. If Dad's pure Motley, then the babies are 100% het Motley. If he's a Motley/Stripe (which shows typically as motley with a bit of striping between back spots) then babies are 50/50 het Motley or Stripe, but every one of them is het for one of those two.

I seem to recall that Dad was bloodred as well, if that is the case then the babies are all het bloodred too.

Check out http://iansvivarium.com/cornsnakemorphs.php, it's a GREAT resource for figuring out how cornsnake genetics work :)

Shmoges

05-15-11, 09:57 AM

Well The more I look at him I think he isn't bloodred but just motley and happens to be red?? you be the judge :D
http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0728.jpg
http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0730.jpg

Here are a couple new ones I just noticed those are blurry :P
http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0021-4.jpg
http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0020-4.jpg

blindfireak40

05-15-11, 10:11 AM

Well, he certainly looks "bloodred". Another name for that morph is "diffused", and it's characterized by a "washed-out" pattern, with some belly color coming up onto the side of the snake. He looks an awful lot like the adult picture of a diffused motley shown here: http://iansvivarium.com/morphguide/diffused/

In any case, even if he's not diffused/bloodred, bunches of beautiful babies that are just BRIMMING with potentially great genetics :)

Shmoges

05-15-11, 10:30 AM

stephanbakir

05-15-11, 01:16 PM

Fantastic looking animal.

blindfireak40

05-15-11, 05:28 PM

It said on that site that diffused removes checkers on the belly. I thought that motley did that? His belly is white and about halfway down his body it starts to become more and more red with no black. Can he be motley diffused bloodred het anery?? Jesus thats a lot of stuff going on.

Motley/Stripe and Diffused ALL remove belly checkers. Based on how your guy looks, I would say he is Motley Diffused het Anery. If you prefer the way Bloodred sounds, you can use that instead of Diffused, they are interchangeable :)

Bloodred is just a selectively bred version of Diffused, where the pattern is almost completely invisible, resulting in a pure red snake.

Dehlida

05-15-11, 06:10 PM

I'm pretty sure it's not a motley.. Color morph yes, but his patterning doesn't seem on-par with motley at all.

blindfireak40

05-15-11, 06:36 PM

Wolfus_305

05-16-11, 04:30 PM

Congrats!!! They look amazing!!!

Dehlida

05-16-11, 06:10 PM

It's hard to see from those pictures, but if you look closely the lateral striping is in evidence, as is the thicker dorsal stripe with well-formed spots of light color...definitely a motley in my opinion. Better pic here:

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/elaphe-guttata-guttata/85574-getting-ready-babies.html
Ah yes, I can see a bit better there he is a bloodred motley. You definetly have some interesting het babies, I'll come up with exactly what they would be in a little bit when I have some free time. Hopefully I can pick up some of these little babies.

Shmoges

05-16-11, 07:44 PM

Thanks Blind, I forgot about that pic :D

blindfireak40

05-16-11, 08:58 PM

My pleasure, man :)

Call me Sean.

Shmoges

05-16-11, 09:57 PM

OMG!! We found Houdini!! http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0047.jpg
He even has a huge H on his back!
http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0048.jpgactually its kinda a big A for ahole most likely he kinda acts like one, kinda wild. I was tending to the longicauda and I found a shed on top of his tank and we use a aquarium light fixture to hold down the top with a Arizona water jug to give the weight. We took apart the light and there he was hiding in the wires on the side closest to the heat element.

Dehlida

05-16-11, 10:00 PM

Very nice little baby.

blindfireak40

05-16-11, 10:08 PM

Hahaha either one, Houdini or A-hole, it seems pretty fitting. He strikey or what?

stephanbakir

05-16-11, 10:20 PM

Grats on finding him! gona hold back Houdini and find out what other magic he knows?:P

Shmoges

05-16-11, 10:23 PM

Or make him someone else's problem lol

stephanbakir

05-16-11, 10:24 PM

Your cheating yourself out of endless hours of fun searching for a 2 foot snake that can fit into any nook it can find:P

Edit: After finding the snake in these locations that shouldn't exist you can hide your own stuff there knowing it wont be found by anyone but you :P

Lankyrob

05-17-11, 08:49 AM

Houdini is a strikingly beautiful cornsnake! I would keep hi,/her back for future breeding....... :)

Shmoges

05-25-11, 05:53 PM

More baby pics post shed!
http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0001asdf.jpg
http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0002asdf.jpg
http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0003-10.jpg
http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0004-8.jpg
http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0005-6.jpg
This one looks special.
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http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af309/Shmoges/IMG_0009-9.jpg
Very pretty anery.

TeaNinja

05-25-11, 06:13 PM

you could always send me a corn snake ;) lol
they look great.

stephanbakir

05-26-11, 05:24 AM

Stunning looking animals :)

emilie

05-27-11, 08:46 PM

wow! they look fantastic!

Shmoges

05-30-11, 08:29 PM

They all went to the pet store except for one on reserve for a club member. They all ate a few times and hopefully go to good caring homes. Not a bad oops that pays for itself. I got enough to recoup costs for the incubator and more than enough for food.

stephanbakir

05-30-11, 08:38 PM

Great to hear that, did the pet shop rob you price wise or was it decent pricing?

Shmoges

05-31-11, 09:12 PM

I honestly don't care what I "could" get for them or what they sell them for, thats their business once the exchange is made and I hope they sell well for them. It was never about money from the start. It was an amazing experience that I am eager to enjoy again responsibly. I think I came out ahead as in the incubator cost like $100 and I almost doubled that so I am happy. All I can hope for is that they enrich peoples lives and are cared for well.

In a year or two I have a lot of options for breading but I don't intend to get everything pregnant at once or even within the same year. Live birth will be icky....