I need help!!

[bo2as]

I cant beleive it!! :( my 4 ft hogg island is still sick! It has had a upi and mites in the past month. 2 visits to the vet and 400 dollars, a whole change in his setting later and he is still sick!! What should i do.. today i noticed his beathing is getting worse than before he was treated with baytril, there is also some swelling under his head when he breaths out it seems to swell.. kind of like a frog? his saliva is a little stringgy. WHAT SHOULD I DO!!! any one have a good vet to recomend on the south shore??:confused:

[Ch^4]

You need to get the snake to a vet ASAP and I'd triple check your husbandry. I can't recommend a good vet, sorry. Good luck and keep us posted.

[Steph]

oh my i'm so sorry to hear that your snake is sick i hope you find a good vet that knows how to treat a sick snake

[Steph]

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[Reptile_Reptile]

up the snakes temp and lower the humidity a bit. remove all substrate and replace it with newspaper you change everyday and add an extra water dish. then as soon as possible go to the vet.

[Reptile_Reptile]

up the snakes temp and lower the humidity a bit. remove all substrate and replace it with newspaper you change everyday and add an extra water dish. then as soon as possible go to the vet.

[Steph]

my bf once had a jungle carpet python he bought it from someone and the snake had mites what my bf did was soak his snake with olive oil try to avoid the head then put the snake back in his habitat and leave the snake in there for at least an hour and put paper towel on the substrate you currently use i know messy but it suffocates the mites and you'll see the mites on the paper towel just falling saves you money but if you don't want to do that there's medicine at your local pet shop for mites but other than that the guy above me is right up the temp and lower humidity and please see a vet asap i hope he's okay!!

[Reptile_Reptile]

please do not put your snake in olive oil. get pam (prevent a mite) you can get it all over even the internet

[Steph]

well coming from my bf it worked wonders on his snake never had a problem

[Lankyrob]

The olive oil treatment has been recommended on here previously and thoroughly shot down in flames with (if i remember right) a very good explanation as to why it shouldn't be used - cant remember why tho :)

[Reptile_Reptile]

lol thanks rob

[cedwards]

Hi all if you look on this site you would find a thread started by Mark (Gone snakey can't remember how to spell his handle)for NIXS and distilled water mixture. It make 4 leaders and I have used it in my 6 years of reptiles and so have others with no problems. It has been proven to work on all reptiles.

Cheers
Charles

[kenchenzo]

i have used baby oil before. It works in the same way.

[Will0W783]

up the snakes temp and lower the humidity a bit. You need to keep humidity higher when dealing with a uri. Up the temps AND humidity. The hot, humid air is easier for them to breathe and helps break up the mucus.

For mites, I love the Nix method. You can do a quick Google search for "Nix for snake mites" and get step-by-step instructions. You also need to go back to a vet; I'd recommend trying a different vet. I personally hate Baytril and have never had a good outcome using it. My vet and I prefer Amikacin. It's a broad-spectrum antibiotic without the tissue damage that Baytril often causes. The only thing with Amikacin is that you have to make sure to keep the snake very well hydrated because it is dehydrating.

The only thing I'd be concerned about with a snake that is not responding to antibiotic therapy is that the cause could be viral; hence, you need a good, reliable reptile vet who will know what to look/test for.

For temps/humidity until you get to the vet, raise your temps to basking spot of 98F, keep the whole cage about 90-93F. It's hot but it will bump the immune system up. Give the snake a twice daily (morning and night) soak for 20 minutes in warm (93-95F). This is the method recommended to me by my vet, who is well-known in the eastern US and I trust completely with my animals. I have used this method to cure several snakes in the past. Best of luck and keep us posted.

[Reptile_Reptile]

im sorry... i meant to say up the humidity it was kinda late when i posted that. its why i said to add another water dish for more humidity. sorry sorry sorry.

[bo2as]

ive acctually done all of that :( upped the temp misting more often. the mites are gone but the uri seems worse... can it be mouth rot?? do they have simialr symptoms. i looked in his mouth today and there is definatly muscus... any one know approx what it will cost?? MAN this suxxx!! :(

[Reptile_Reptile]

no but i can tell you it wont be cheap.

[shaunyboy]

ive acctually done all of that :( upped the temp misting more often. the mites are gone but the uri seems worse... can it be mouth rot?? do they have simialr symptoms. i looked in his mouth today and there is definatly muscus... any one know approx what it will cost?? MAN this suxxx!! :(


ask your vet to take swabs of the windpipe and have them cultured to see if they can isolate the exact infection your snake has

up your hot end temperature by 4 degree's this helps the snakes immune system

the throat puffing like a frog is just your snake trying to breath i would'nt worry too much as its common with respiritory infections

how long did your baytril treatment go on for ?

cheers shaun

[bo2as]

acctualy my vet took swabs of both my snakes when i went thats why im soo mad. the results showed that my female, who had and still has no symptoms had two different bacteria, and there for was put on antibiotics different from baytril for two weeks. mt male, the one i am worried about, his results showed nothing :s the baytril was given before the results got in and i had 7 shots to give.(one every 3 days) I think the vet might have mixed the swabs?? anyway i have an app on monday.. i just hope that i can fix this prob asap because i really dont want to loose my baby :S i will keep u guys posted!

[shaunyboy]

acctualy my vet took swabs of both my snakes when i went thats why im soo mad. the results showed that my female, who had and still has no symptoms had two different bacteria, and there for was put on antibiotics different from baytril for two weeks. mt male, the one i am worried about, his results showed nothing :s the baytril was given before the results got in and i had 7 shots to give.(one every 3 days) I think the vet might have mixed the swabs?? anyway i have an app on monday.. i just hope that i can fix this prob asap because i really dont want to loose my baby :S i will keep u guys posted!


your vet uses different dose rates re baytril

over here i use 2.5% stregnth oral baytril

0.2 per kg of body wieght is a weak dose

0.4ml per kg body wieght is a strong dose

i give 0.4ml per kg of body wieght every second day

minimum treatment legnth is 4 weeks

it works out theres 25mg per 1ml of baytril

if it was a really really bad infection i would give 0.4 per kg every 24 hours but i've never had to do that yet

i'm thinking your vet may not have treated the infection for a long enough time period

did your boa appear to get better when on the treatment ?

cheers shaun

[bo2as]

i made a mistake in my post, the first treatment was somthing else. it starts with the letter A lol. turs out the swabs got mixed up the first time i went so i treatted the wrong snake with the baytril :o anywayi was pretty pissed. Now im treatinh hyprion with .35ml every day for two weeks. i REALY hope all this is done and over with soon lol its cost me quate a bit for my snakes in the pas month lol. good thing is all the mites are gone :)

[Lankyrob]

If tvhe vet mixed the samples it is their error, they should pay for any additional treatments. Hope he gets better for you soon.

[Will0W783]

The medicine your vet gave that started with an "A" is probably Amikacin. This is an excellent broad-spectrum antibiotic that doesn't have the tissue damaging effects that Baytril does. However, and I don't know if your vet explained this to you, but if it is Amikacin, it is very dehydrating and can be hard on the kidneys. Therefore you need to do a daily soak for 15 minutes in warm water (about 93 degrees F) in a Rubbermaid of some sort to keep the heat and steam in. Best of luck. I would see about finding a new vet- for the vet to mix up the swabs and not think through the mix-up (Well, he has a very sick snake that the swab is clean from, and a perfectly healthy snake showing two bacteria...wonder if I mixed them up?) says to me that he's not a very careful or analytical vet. NOT someone I'd let near my animals. I had a vet overdose one of my snakes with Baytril and she seized and died after two doses. The vet refused to take responsibility and kept coming up with other things it could have been, even though the respiratory infection had not caused seizure until 4 hours after the Baytril was given? I never went back to that place and now have a vet that I trust. Sometimes you have to go through a few vets before you find a really good one. Best of luck with your snake; I hope the vet gave you the new meds for free and a free appointment for his screw-up causing you trouble!

[Marica]

Hi bo2as. Sorry you're going through this. Is there a Quebec reptile club/forum who's members you could ask about vet recommendations? Here's a link to a list of vets (http://local.webvet.com/What_is_an_Exotic_Veterinarian_Longueuil_QC-r1258245-Longueuil_QC.html) I found - not sure which all deal with exotics, which are close enough to you and if there's any duplicates to the list Steph linked. It may even be worth it to see if you could at least talk to another experienced vet over the phone and get their opinion on the situation. And, perhaps for now you should try some soaks as Willow mentioned. Best wishes and hope you have good news for us soon.

[bo2as]

thanx. I just hope that there is nothing else that will go wrong! and no :( the stupid vet did not pay for their mix up! im planning on calling customer protection to see what i can do. also im definatly going to find a better vet!

[belovedboas]

lol I used olive oil in the past...works wonders for mites as does listerine