Savannah Monitor VS Live mouse

[VaranidLover]

Well, after having him for a week I fed him, so heres the video

Just to say, I am aware tha his tank is to small. When I went to buy him I was told he was only 1 foot - 1.5 feet long and it turns out he was actually 2 feet.

I had already paid a full 200 dollars for him and his lights so I couldnt exactly just give him back

However, this saturday we are building his 7 x 4 enclosure and it should be done by wednesday next week.

(also, his water dish is muddy because he was just digging and got dirt in it)

I am sorry but that aqaurium is just temporary. Please dont hate or whatever.

Just thought id put that out there before anybody comments saying that its too small, im aware and its being dealt with :)

I look forward to posting pictures of his new, much larger enclosure when its finished

Thanks for watching

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[infernalis]

get the electronics out of there.

I'm surprised they have not been used for toys yet.

Monitors are very destructive and will smash that stuff just for amusement.

[VaranidLover]

get the electronics out of there.

I'm surprised they have not been used for toys yet.

Monitors are very destructive and will smash that stuff just for amusement.

How will I read temps then :O

EDIT:

Nvm i totally forgot I have my non contact digital thermometer.

Ill just use that then

Thanks! ill remove the thermometers in the morning :)

[Freebody]

you got to see pics of waynes monitor, one of the reasons i got one after admiring his for a years and a bit :) i like yours as well, i cant wait to see him in his new cage. ill take a pic of mine for you to see my setup and give you a few ideas :)

[infernalis]

you got to see pics of waynes monitor, :)


http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/varanid/82886-meet-chomper-our-savannah.htmlhttp://www.laserpointerforums.info/pics/arrow.gif

[marvelfreak]

Cool! ......

[Ch^4]

Thanks for posting the vid! Great looking monitor!

I've always had an unhealthy curiosity for these monsters they call monitors! They are beautiful creatures and their sheer size is impressive. (Yes, yes, they have their relative the Komodo who is a force not to reckon with.)

However, I have yet to add one to my collection. Chomper is also a stunning example....And he looks so cute with his lizard harness/leash!

Sigh, someday...

[Boafan9876]

Nice monitor thought about getting one but don't have the room for one

[VaranidLover]

Thanks guys!!

LOVE chomper by the way! he is huge :O

Thanks again for the compliments everybody :D

[infernalis]

One thing we are blessed with is space. I would not recommend a monitor to someone living in an apartment complex.... They will take up half a room with a big cage, cost money to keep fed & heated.. certainly best for homeowners or people with really understanding landlords.

[bighog85]

I hope that the mouse was his once a month treat. Savs are insectivores so get some roaches.

[mo9e64]

Monitors are opportunists, feeding rodents assures a complete diet and won't be problematic , if you practice proper husbandry.Feeding insects and lots of them to babies and juveniles then switching to a rodent based diet as they get larger.People will argue they will get fat and lethargic feeding a primary rodent diet,this is true,only if you don't care for them properly.A healthy monitor will eat a lot of food daily and sometimes more than once a day.There's nothing wrong supplementing their diet but rodents are the way to go. Moe

[bighog85]

Monitors are opportunists, feeding rodents assures a complete diet and won't be problematic , if you practice proper husbandry.Feeding insects and lots of them to babies and juveniles then switching to a rodent based diet as they get larger.People will argue they will get fat and lethargic feeding a primary rodent diet,this is true,only if you don't care for them properly.A healthy monitor will eat a lot of food daily and sometimes more than once a day.There's nothing wrong supplementing their diet but rodents are the way to go. Moe

Please don't start this argument again. You are wrong about this, straight up. Savannah monitors are primarily insectivores and only rarely take vertebrates in the wild. I am not addressing any other species here, just savs. Many a keeper has found this out the hard way, watching their animal get bigger and more lethargic until their organs shut down and they died. I promise you, that if you fed a sav a bunch of rodents its entire life, it will only live for five or six years. At the most. A lot of monitor husbandry is universal but diet is not.

[mo9e64]

You are right,infact most monitors do not have rodents as a staple in the wild.It's insects,spiders,crustaceans,lizards and snakes-items which present opportunity to feed.If you can supply the amount of these items to a monitor power to ya-hello MBD
It's funny that the people who breed monitors including Savannah Monitors,feed theirs exclusively rodents.Infact to breed the monitor has to be healthy.One factor in feeding is temps,can the animal get access to temps ranging from a basking spot 130F + down to areas in the cage of low 70's and high 60's.I suppose you think monitors have low metabolisms,they're actually high-they need a lot of food.If you keep them too cold feeding them mice will lead to obesity-and cold creates the lethargy.If given high basking temps they can digest nearly anything.My monitors eat only mice all they can eat everyday-they are fast, healthy and a handful the rare times i handle them-they have access to a basking spot of 150F and an array of other temps,humidities and hides.

[bighog85]

You are right,infact most monitors do not have rodents as a staple in the wild.It's insects,spiders,crustaceans,lizards and snakes-items which present opportunity to feed.If you can supply the amount of these items to a monitor power to ya-hello MBD
It's funny that the people who breed monitors including Savannah Monitors,feed theirs exclusively rodents.Infact to breed the monitor has to be healthy.One factor in feeding is temps,can the animal get access to temps ranging from a basking spot 130F + down to areas in the cage of low 70's and high 60's.I suppose you think monitors have low metabolisms,they're actually high-they need a lot of food.If you keep them too cold feeding them mice will lead to obesity-and cold creates the lethargy.If given high basking temps they can digest nearly anything.My monitors eat only mice all they can eat everyday-they are fast, healthy and a handful the rare times i handle them-they have access to a basking spot of 150F and an array of other temps,humidities and hides.

So you are saying that because you are to lazy to provide the right foods, that it is OK to feed them an improper diet? You also don't seem to be to clear on what causes MBD either because you essentially just said that if you feed them what they get in the wild, they will get MBD. Also, when was the last time you went to a monitor breeding facility? If you really knew what you were talking about, you would not be arguing that breeders know what is best. Are you familiar with somebody that regularly breeds savs, because if you are you must be privy to some info that the rest of the country is not. Oh and also, find somebody that breeds and ask them how long their breeders live on average on an all rodent diet. You do not have to do much right to get monitors to breed. If the temps are correct that is usually all that it takes. The reason the breeders feed an all rodent diet is because it is easy. All they care about is money for the most part so they are going to find the most cost effective way to run their business and as long as they get some results, they are happy.
On to the next issue. Temps need to be correct regardless of what you are feeding. My savs, who live primarily on roaches, have access to those same temps as my salvators who get a lot more rodents and birds and fish in their diet. Feeding something that is easier to digest does not mean that I am going to lower my basking or ambient temps. Also, when did I ever hint at thinking that monitors have low metabolisms. You might want to find out who you are arguing with before you come onto a new forum and start throwing incorrect information around. It sounds like you have most of your husbandry right other than the diet. I can PROMISE you, that if you keep feeding your monitors(if they really do exist)the way that you described, they are going to die at a young age. The primary difference between what they get in the wild and in captivity is exercise. Monitors in the wild sometimes travel miles in a day looking for food whereas the most ours have to do is run the length of their enclosure a few times. Not quite the same is it? Mice are extremely fatty and if you really are giving them all they will eat every day(which is possibly the most ridiculous feeding plan I have ever heard)you are going to see some very bad things happen to them no matter what species they are.
I am just going to be straight with you here, you are wrong on the diet thing. I don't know what kind of experience you have but talk to any truly experienced keeper and they are going to tell you exactly what I just did. Your way of doing things is outdated at best. Monitor husbandry has come a long way in the last ten years and either you are stuck in the past or you are to ignorant to do some real research on what your animals need.

[Lankyrob]

Pretty much any animal in captivity that is fed "all they will eat every day" will die young and be obese. Whether its a human, monitor, snake, cat, dog, budgie......... you name it.

In the wild all these animals will feed opportunistically, either by eating what they can hunt or eating whatever comes into range. In captivity it is the keepers responsibility to ensure that they are not fed all they can eat as the animal, in most cases, does not understand that tomorrow more food will come - they see an opportunity to gorge (as they would in the wild given the chance). The difference is that in the wild they may not eat again for days, or weeks - or longer!

[mo9e64]

It's hard to come on to a new forum-you don't want to sound like a know it all.Your entitled to your opinion, maybe what i wrote will make sense to some.I don't know you or about you-so i won't pass judgement.Further comments directed at you would end up being argumentative-not why i'm here.But i haven't ever read that unhealthy monitors will breed,that they,breeding adult monitors, have shorter lifespans(other than complications due to egg laying).

[mo9e64]

Monitors will eat what they need-when in the proper environment which supports their metabolism.A monitor is different than you or I,and snakes for that matter.If they cannot metabolize their food of course they are going to get obese.Humans are warm blooded and metabolize differently-that's quite different than an animal that can bask to temperatures close to 200F-that aides in there digestion.

[Lankyrob]

Digesting and metabolizing foods are veary much too different things.

Most species can digest WAAAAY more food than they can metabolize.

[mo9e64]

many of the habitats that monitors live in can have drought conditions and some habitats are have abundant food supplies such as the rain forest.When food is scarce they conserve energy, seeking cooler areas like deep holes and reducing activity.Poor conditions mimic drought conditions so that they tend to store food and get obese.I'm sorry but alot of things people say contradict common sense.You don't often see obese reptiles in the wild like mammals,snakes do not get obese in the wild with an endless supply of food-cribos,racers and allies.

[bighog85]

It's hard to come on to a new forum-you don't want to sound like a know it all.Your entitled to your opinion, maybe what i wrote will make sense to some.I don't know you or about you-so i won't pass judgement.Further comments directed at you would end up being argumentative-not why i'm here.But i haven't ever read that unhealthy monitors will breed,that they,breeding adult monitors, have shorter lifespans(other than complications due to egg laying).

You need to understand that what I am saying here is not my opinion. It is fact based on years of studies done by people who's lives are devoted to monitors. I never said that unhealthy monitors will breed. When fed all rodents they will appear to be healthy for a while, especially while they are still young and growing because they are needing much more food to sustain themselves. During this first few years it is not hard to get them to breed because technically they are still healthy but are on a road to diseases that are caused by their diet. In contrast, when they are fed a good diet from day one, they may grow slower but it allows their bodies to mature and grow properly. In these cases, the animal will not only breed year after year(assuming the rest of the husbandry is good)but they will do so for many more years than the animals fed an improper diet. A monitor should live for at least 10-12 years and quite possibly more, but how often do we see that anymore? That is because people that do not know what they are doing make up the majority of monitor owners and we have just come to believe that the five to eight year lifespan that we are seeing is normal.

Monitors will eat what they need-when in the proper environment which supports their metabolism.A monitor is different than you or I,and snakes for that matter.If they cannot metabolize their food of course they are going to get obese.Humans are warm blooded and metabolize differently-that's quite different than an animal that can bask to temperatures close to 200F-that aides in there digestion.

This has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Also, look up the definition of metabolism and then tell me if this statement makes sense.

[bighog85]

Digesting and metabolizing foods are veary much too different things.

Most species can digest WAAAAY more food than they can metabolize.

Didn't see this. This is what I am talking about.

[mo9e64]

ectotherms metabolize dependent on external temperatures-the higher the temperature the more they metabolize,the colder the slower.Endotherms self regulate-that's why a couch potato gains weight watching tv,and a monitor would lose weight if he watched tv under a heatlamp Mythbuster

it's ok to have an opinion,just not your own facts -Lawrence O'donnell MSNBC

[bighog85]

ectotherms metabolize dependent on external temperatures-the higher the temperature the more they metabolize,the colder the slower.Endotherms self regulate-that's why a couch potato gains weight watching tv,and a monitor would lose weight if he watched tv under a heatlamp Mythbuster

it's ok to have an opinion,just not your own facts -Lawrence O'donnell MSNBC

You are now stating really basic reptile biology. Thanks for the lesson, I really appreciate it. You are right, a monitors digestion is based on its surrounding temps but it is not an infinite scale that that is based on. What I mean is that even if you have 180 degree basking spots you can still feed to much, especially if you are feeding the wrong thing to begin with. So say you are feeding a sav all the mice it can eat every day(which you apparently are doing)and you have perfect basking temps. If the animal is not doing anything to find its food it is still going to pack on fat because it is not burning calories and building muscle like it would if it had to find it on its own. And when it starts to pack on fat, that fat begins building up around the internal organs and the animal eventually dies of Fatty Liver Disease. You can have your basking spot at 250 degrees but if the animal is being fed more than it is using, you are still going to have an overweight animal. Same as with people. Ectotherms do not get a free pass when it comes to caloric management. They are much more efficient than we are as long as the parameters are correct but muscle and fat still work the same way. They have to build muscle and burn fat just like we do and the only way to do that is with exercise. They cannot build muscle by sitting under a heat lamp the same as we cannot do it by going and watching others work out at the gym.
We are not dealing with opinion right now. If you could have your own opinion on monitor husbandry and it always worked, there would be a lot fewer dead pets out there. You are entitled to your own opinion on politics, religion, and TV shows but here, we talk with scientific fact and REAL experience.

[mo9e64]

I disagree,if you cannot or your privy sources feed an exclusively rodent diet,you are doing something wrong.Myself and sources from other forums who breed monitors don't have problems with obesity feeding to any type of monitor-to breed a monitor they have to be healthy.If you are basing your logic on endothermic organisms you are going to formulate your own opinion.And there has to be some excercise in the equation along with proper husbandry,cage size, hydration,and stress as well.You say my methods are old school,but yours especially in regards to feeding rodents are in all the old monitor books-which i've had and thrown away.How do you argue with Frank Retes pioneer of monitor care. who feeds his monitors this way rodents exclusively and has bred monitors of all types over several generations-he's debunked alot of the so called scientific facts.

[bighog85]

I disagree,if you cannot or your privy sources feed an exclusively rodent diet,you are doing something wrong.Myself and sources from other forums who breed monitors don't have problems with obesity feeding to any type of monitor-to breed a monitor they have to be healthy.If you are basing your logic on endothermic organisms you are going to formulate your own opinion.And there has to be some excercise in the equation along with proper husbandry,cage size, hydration,and stress as well.You say my methods are old school,but yours especially in regards to feeding rodents are in all the old monitor books-which i've had and thrown away.How do you argue with Frank Retes pioneer of monitor care. who feeds his monitors this way rodents exclusively and has bred monitors of all types over several generations-he's debunked alot of the so called scientific facts.

So let me get this straight. I am basing my arguments on people who have gone out and studied the stomach contents of savannah monitors in the wild and you are making yours based on people on a forum. I never said anything about "privy sources" of mine, in fact I can actually cite my sources.
I am not basing any arguments on "endothermic organisms". The only comparison I made was saying that muscle and fat work the same in both endo and ectotherms. Which it does so you can't really argue with that.
Yes there does need to be some exercise but there is no way that we can equal in captivity what they would get in the wild. So because of that, we have to limit their food intake. Show me an old monitor care book that says that a savannah monitor should have a primarily invertebrate diet. Remember, that is the species we are talking about, nothing else. You won't be able to find it because it was not until relatively recently(last ten or so years)that we have started to change our husbandry. You are talking pure nonsense here dude. You are proving that you know nothing and you won't convince anybody here that your way of doing things is correct. The people that you are basing your "fact" on are people that only care about making money. But another problem exists in your argument. Where are you finding these sav breeders? It is well known that nobody can get consistent breeding, or any breeding for that matter, from savs. Why do you think that is, huh? It is because they are not feeding a proper diet to support the longterm health of the animals. Go to kingsnake and I dare you to try and find true CBB sav babies. It won't happen, they are all imported. I don't know what forums you frequent that support you on this but I can guarantee you that it is wrong. I frequent the truly reliable forums and I know that nobody there will tell you that you are right.
If you want to talk husbandry on other species, then start a thread and lets do it. But if you continue here with this you will only dig yourself a deeper hole.

P.S. Maybe you would like to cite some of your experience and provide some pictures of the monitors that you care for, just for fun.

[Freebody]

I dont agree feeding a sav a rodent diet, Any other monitor YES, full rodent diet will be just fine, same with the monitor meat loaf they feed at the zoo with the added vits and bone meal, but savs are a little different, yes i know ou can jack the heat right up on your sav tank and feed it a rodent pure diet and they will do reletivly well because of the super heat to pump up their fat burning, but it is such a smart and easy idea to just go out and get yourself a dubia roach colony and feed your sav a rat a month if you want, and your sav will be far better off. as far as breeding savs, who breeds savs? they are by far the hardest monitor to get to breed and damn near no one does it, they need like 10' of dirt 15'x 15' room to even get them to consider it, they are all minus maybe 1 or 2 breeders country wide which do it because they love savs that much. everyone is entitled to their opinion, and as far as monitors go the old info just is not as good as the new current info because back then the practice was far more rare than it is now so the info was realy circumstancial. i like to read the argument because it is good to see both sides of the coin in any situation, im just saying your both right but i agree with Bighog 85 on the sav food sourse :) Savs are great pets!!!! well all monitors are :)

[mo9e64]

thanks Freebody, as far as monitors go they are just as easy to breed as any other monitor-just not worth the effort financially.All monitors do require work even the ackies-(they are just cheaper to keep)but because baby wc Sav's go for as little as $25-40 US,captive breeders find it hard to sell them at a higher prices,and give up breeding them.

[bighog85]

I dont agree feeding a sav a rodent diet, Any other monitor YES, full rodent diet will be just fine, same with the monitor meat loaf they feed at the zoo with the added vits and bone meal, but savs are a little different, yes i know ou can jack the heat right up on your sav tank and feed it a rodent pure diet and they will do reletivly well because of the super heat to pump up their fat burning, but it is such a smart and easy idea to just go out and get yourself a dubia roach colony and feed your sav a rat a month if you want, and your sav will be far better off. as far as breeding savs, who breeds savs? they are by far the hardest monitor to get to breed and damn near no one does it, they need like 10' of dirt 15'x 15' room to even get them to consider it, they are all minus maybe 1 or 2 breeders country wide which do it because they love savs that much. everyone is entitled to their opinion, and as far as monitors go the old info just is not as good as the new current info because back then the practice was far more rare than it is now so the info was realy circumstancial. i like to read the argument because it is good to see both sides of the coin in any situation, im just saying your both right but i agree with Bighog 85 on the sav food sourse :) Savs are great pets!!!! well all monitors are :)

Savs aren't the only invertebrate eaters in the monitor world. Most of the arboreal monitors eat primarily insects and birds. The only varanids that can truly handle an all rodent diet are the big guys like salvator, komodoensis, niloticus, and even these guys do best with a really varied and restricted diet. Like I have said, the only people that preach an all rodent diet are those that are to cheap to do anything else. It would be the same as us eating a hamburger for every meal, every day of our lives. It tastes really good but it is going to significantly shorten our lifespan. There are very few creatures on earth that are designed to be able to handle that sort of stress on their digestive system and their bodies in general.
As for old information being as good as new, that simply is not true. When all of this change that I am talking about came about, it did so because the old info was not working. We used to think that 95 degree basking spots were just fine, that no deep substrate was needed, and that packing a monitor full of rodents was a healthy diet. Well now we know, for a fact, that they need 150 degree basking spots, a couple feet of substrate helps with their natural behavior and keeping humidity up, and that there is more to a monitor diet than rats.
I want you guys to know that I don't have some huge need to be right. That is not why I am arguing this. It is because I see a lot of animals that are killed due to poor husbandry practices. A couple of months ago I had to put a sav down that had come into my rescue. The guy couldn't figure out what was wrong with her and when I asked about her diet, guess what he said. Yep, rodents her entire life, along with lunch meat but that was just stupid. I don't know where you are talking to these people that are still feeding rodents but it is sad because things have changed and animals are dying because some people can't change.

[mo9e64]

the fact that the person probably practiced poor husbandry didn't occur to you,the fact that over 90% of imported monitors will die within the first year.A sick monitor will sometimes eat,but dehydration is the biggest threat to a monitors health.poor husbandry as you said was what probably killed the monitor.

How is feeding rodents cheap?roaches,not that i have anything against roaches,can be very cheap to raise and breed.

[Freebody]

im not a monitor guy, as in i know Lots about them all, but i had a older nile for a year and a bit, and now my sav so i did Lots of research on them, savs eat insects and its not cheep to feed them rodents, its just mis information, like Mo said , rosches are Cheep, the cheepest food you could possibly come across. its just so many old sites say rodents are good for sav and all montors, but lets face it gentlemen, doctors in the 40s use to perscribe smoking cigeretts, to stop a lot of simtums so, obviously what im saying is thing change with better understanding and facts :)

[mo9e64]

Do you guys know who Frank Retes is-he is the pioneer of current monitor husbandry.He was the one who realized that monitors required the higher basking temps.Today i saw a post where he showed a picture of two Lace Monitors,the one male passed, it was 18 years old and sired many clutches of Lace Monitors-they were fed exclusively rodents since he switched them from crickets as babies.He has bred over 20 species of monitor,under almost identical husbandry and diet-this worked from Prasinus to Ackies to Sav's.He found through his, i think 30 years of experience where he tried every conceivable diet that starting neonates with crickets and gradually switching them to rodents,worked the best.He said variety won't hurt but it's not necessary.

I still try to keep an open mind-but i can't argue with success and results Frank has had.Diet is only part of monitor husbandry-dehydration kills more monitors than anything.Some of these animals come over doomed because of organ failure,or we doom them by putting Sav's in a screen top cage with Aspen shavings under a high wattage heatlamp,and a silly little cave.


I'm sorry i come off as a know it all,i'm just relaying husbandry from someone with a great deal of success-with people who followed his advise and are getting the same results.In this thread we can't be both right when it comes to rodent diet.I promise no more on the subject i've beat a dead horse. Moe

[bighog85]

the fact that the person probably practiced poor husbandry didn't occur to you,the fact that over 90% of imported monitors will die within the first year.A sick monitor will sometimes eat,but dehydration is the biggest threat to a monitors health.poor husbandry as you said was what probably killed the monitor.

How is feeding rodents cheap?roaches,not that i have anything against roaches,can be very cheap to raise and breed.

Of course it occurred to me! Diet is part of husbandry. She was not a baby either. She was, guess how old. Yup, five years old which is right around that average age that we are seeing nowadays. When was the last time anybody saw a sav that was over ten years old? You keep bringing up other species but we are only talking about savs, not lace monitors or anything else, though this info can apply to a few other species.

Feeding rodents is cheaper because time is money. Breeders don't usually have just one or two animals that they need to feed, they most likely have a dozen or more. In this case, which is easiest? Going around a dumping some f/t rodents in a cage or picking through a tub of roaches and giving an adult monitor enough to keep it alive and breeding. It takes a lot of roaches to keep one animal alive much less a dozen. Then there is the effort to keep the roaches going which for a normal keeper is not that big of a deal but for a breeder it would be. And when you order rodents in huge bulk like they would it becomes very cheap to feed them. Medium rats are around a buck a piece and that becomes very economical when feeding a large group of animals.

[Freebody]

med rats here cost $3, i wish i could get my rats in the states :(

[bighog85]

med rats here cost $3, i wish i could get my rats in the states :(

Ouch! That sucks. I know Layne Labs ships to Canada and they actually have the best prices I have found anywhere. That is who I go through and I have over 100 reptiles to feed so I have done my homework. I think you have to call in your order when it is being shipped to Canada rather than doing it online but it is still better than paying $3 a pop for a rat. Check them out, hopefully that will help.

[infernalis]

Heck, I am only feeding one bottomless pit, and I have to give the roach colony a break from time to time.

I have also been blessed with easy access to lean venison, so rather than rodents, we give give Chomper venison about 3 times a month.

During the summer, he eats a lot of beetles, grasshoppers, crickets and crayfish (all stuff he forages for out back)

The only time he gets rodents is when I finish feeding snakes, if I have some mice leftover (very rare) I toss them in with Chomper.

look at this food, NO fat content....

http://www.reptard.info/pic/deerchomp2.jpg

[Ch^4]

^^ Nom nom nom! He sounds like a spoiled Savy!

What a beautiful creature...Almost has a prehistoric look to him in that picture.

[infernalis]

^^ Nom nom nom! He sounds like a spoiled Savy!

What a beautiful creature...Almost has a prehistoric look to him in that picture.


you never saw this??

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/varanid/82886-meet-chomper-our-savannah.html

He is spoiled. He gets some exercise that many don't.

sometimes we let him walk over a mile in a day.


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[presspirate]

If I let you put me on a leash, would you feed me venison Wayne?

[infernalis]

I'll leave that one alone.. I could have too much fun with the door that line opened....

[presspirate]

Wow, thats just.....creepy.:freakedout:

[Lankyrob]

^^ Nom nom nom! He sounds like a spoiled Savy!

What a beautiful creature...Almost has a prehistoric look to him in that picture.

Do you think all dinosaurs ate of plates??? pmsl!!! :confused::yes::):rolleyes:

[infernalis]

of course they did....

http://www.reptard.info/critters/dinos.jpg

[Freebody]

lol i rememeber watching a few episodes of that show when i was a kid, the baby and the old man were pretty funny.

[Ch^4]

you never saw this??

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/varanid/82886-meet-chomper-our-savannah.html

He is spoiled. He gets some exercise that many don't.

sometimes we let him walk over a mile in a day.

I did see that thread....I guess I forgot about him eating venison off a plate! I was too busy looking at him in his cute lizard leash/harness, or with his head in a boot, or sitting on the dashboard!

If and when I get a monitor--years from now--I will make sure I have plenty of space for him, provide a proper diet (i.e., the Wayne-diet, probably minus the venison though ;) ), and take him on daily walks! Wayne, you, your family, and your reptilian children all must be in good shape!

If I let you put me on a leash, would you feed me venison Wayne?

No comment....LMAO

Do you think all dinosaurs ate of plates??? pmsl!!! :confused::yes::):rolleyes:

I think the more aristocratic dinos did! ;)

of course they did....

http://www.reptard.info/critters/dinos.jpg

Ha.....Proof! That show...:laugh: