Carpalls discussion

[Ch^4]

Hello all, I wasn't sure where to put this thread, so I threw it in here.

I just wanted to see what people thought about Carpalls (JCP x BP or any other combo of carpet x BP)?

I saw a picture the other day and was curious what the experts here had to say......this is slightly stemming from the posts on Carpondros.

I personally think they are nice looking snakes (BPs are very cute and come on, anything with carpet in the name is a gorgeous snake).

Thanks!

[Freebody]

alot of people dont like mixing snakes that would never meet in the wild, but i think more people these days are into it. I for one am a fan on cross breeding, I was reading on burm balls and i hear they dont seem to live that long if i remember correctly. i dont know about carpet balls, i have seen womaballs, nothing much to look at IMHO. im going to look into it, i find this stuff interesting :)

[marvelfreak]

Bateater are retic cross with Burmese.

[Freebody]

i really like the bat eaters :) i have been trying to find info on retic/carpet for a long time, but it seems no one has succesfully done it yet, makes me want to put my bella girl in with my adult jag and see if it works :P

[presspirate]

I guess, I can't say that I would want to own one, but I am not against the concept. Just because they have not been observed in nature does not mean it could not happen in nature. I mean, every species that we know today came about from cross breeding. Thats evolution. As long as these cross breeds do not make it into the wild, I don't see a problem.

[Freebody]

also, as long as its clearly stated what it is when it is sold to someone, and not being sold as pure.

[Ch^4]

Excellent feedback everyone, thanks for the info!

I do not plan on purchasing one, but was always fascinated by hybrids and thought I'd seek comments on the topic from the many herp-gurus on this forum!

[percey39]

also, as long as its clearly stated what it is when it is sold to someone, and not being sold as pure.

That my friend is exactly why a lot of people dont like the hybrid idea. As you will produce normal looking offspring and the hobby is filled with untrustworthy people. In 30 years pure breeds in private collections COULD be a thing of the past if this situation is not handled properly by everyone doing it which will never happen.
I dont mind too much as eventually this will push the prices of pure snakes higher and higher, but you will have to know the right people to ever truely get what you pay for.

[marvelfreak]

Bateater are retic cross with Burmese.

For those who have never seen them here's some new born.

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(Not my pics.)

[Will0W783]

I think Carpalls and Bateaters are beautiful! My personal favorite is the blue Carpondro, however. I personally don't think there's really anything wrong with the hybrids, as long as they are sold and identified as such. They are generally so different from their pure parents that it would be hard to mix them up, but several generations distilled out might be tough.

[shaunyboy]

theres a guy in the states crossed a carpet with a boelens.i look forward to seeing how it looks as an adult

as far as i know no one has managed to breed pure boelens outside indonesia

we can now get boelens for £2000 each over here

they live at very high altitudes and this seems to be the problem re breeding problems

ive also heard of but never seen a ball python crossed with a burmese python

burmballs

those bateaters are very cool looking snakes

so are jagpondro's especially albino's

cheers shaun

[shaunyboy]

That my friend is exactly why a lot of people dont like the hybrid idea. As you will produce normal looking offspring and the hobby is filled with untrustworthy people. In 30 years pure breeds in private collections COULD be a thing of the past if this situation is not handled properly by everyone doing it which will never happen.
I dont mind too much as eventually this will push the prices of pure snakes higher and higher, but you will have to know the right people to ever truely get what you pay for.


i can see your point mate

i find doing it in places like the uk where theres NO chance of it interfearing with wild species is ok

i totally understand people being against it in countrys where they can survive if they escape

also chipping them over here would be a must to avoid mix ups

cheers shaun

[percey39]

There is deffinetely very normal looking snakes of both parents in clutch, to the untrained eye its nearly impossible to tell. It will be the new comers to the hobby that will suffer from this the most and thats the absolute worst thing that can happen!
Im partial to those bateaters very beautiful indeed!

I would be a advocate for shipping new species over your way Shaun to give you guy's more pure specimens and to help with getting new blood in ongoing projects. You would have ship some species back to me though lol Damn the government!!

[Freebody]

i was waiting to get one before they changed the laws here, the guy i got my retic from was trying to breed a super dwarf retic to a female burm, did it a couple time already, but twice the eggs all came out as slugs, now large snakes over 9 feet are banned here so hes no longer pairing them, they are beautifull tho.

[shaunyboy]

There is deffinetely very normal looking snakes of both parents in clutch, to the untrained eye its nearly impossible to tell. It will be the new comers to the hobby that will suffer from this the most and thats the absolute worst thing that can happen!
Im partial to those bateaters very beautiful indeed!

I would be a advocate for shipping new species over your way Shaun to give you guy's more pure specimens and to help with getting new blood in ongoing projects. You would have ship some species back to me though lol Damn the government!!


trust me mate the very second they changed the law we would be sending swapped snakes back and forth to each other on a monthly basis,if not sooner,haha

got a feeling we'd be eating scraps from macdonalds bins though after spending all our cash on snakes mate

cheers shaun

[percey39]

I would still do it in a heartbeat though mate!! Mc Donalds scraps would not be too bad really.

[shaunyboy]

I would still do it in a heartbeat though mate!! Mc Donalds scraps would not be too bad really.


i hear you mate

macdonalds it is then

now we just need YOUR GOVERNMENT to go for it

as mines is cool with the whole snake thing

i can work with ANY SNAKE i can buy

so get onto your lot and tell them to lighten up

sorry for being selfish mate but if they would allow export id be a happy man...!!

they did let 1 american at the reptile garden and 1 guy in norway have breeding groups of carinata

but they forgot to send any to me

cheers shaun

[percey39]

I would also be a happy man if we could import lol Im nearly drooling at the idea now. I would march into parliament house if it would do any good.

[shaunyboy]

I would also be a happy man if we could import lol Im nearly drooling at the idea now. I would march into parliament house if it would do any good.


think they might throw the crazy snake people in jail for that my friend,haha

cheers shaun

[percey39]

Haha im already called crazy by enough people anyway, i might as be legally classed that way lol. I am aiming for this stereotype lol

YouTube - Chandler is going to be a Crazy Snake Man! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dp78Kh94x4)

This clip is the way my life is heading haha but i still have a boss at home!!!

[shaunyboy]

Haha im already called crazy by enough people anyway, i might as be legally classed that way lol. I am aiming for this stereotype lol

YouTube - Chandler is going to be a Crazy Snake Man! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dp78Kh94x4)

This clip is the way my life is heading haha but i still have a boss at home!!!

id be happy with crazy old snake man title and im getting there age wise :no:


how strange is this mate

im in the exact same position as you but on the opossite side of the planet mate:shocked:

you got the best side imo :crazy2:

cheers shaun

[percey39]

Im getting there mate, i would nearly swap locations too.

[shaunyboy]

Im getting there mate, i would nearly swap locations too.


honestly mate ask wayne how bad this place is

he was over in the uk for a while

you'd last ten minutes and be screaming for your beautifull motherland

i wish they still deported us scots over there

like in the old days (no offence intended mate )

i would give just about anything to live over your way mate

to be able to go see ayres rock and all the other outback stuff

then hop over to new zealand and see more beautifull scenary

sadly im too old and banged up from my crash to get into oz to live

one day though i may manage over for a couple of months holliday with my wife

in saying that it might work in reverse and id find myself on the run not wanting to go home:yes:

cheers shaun

[percey39]

Haha if you ever come over mate and want to go see some nice wild snakes and have a place to stay your more than welcome. I want to go up north and go herping for a few weeks but just cant get away from home or work lol. I am heading over europe next year though lol should be a good trip.

[shaunyboy]

Haha if you ever come over mate and want to go see some nice wild snakes and have a place to stay your more than welcome. I want to go up north and go herping for a few weeks but just cant get away from home or work lol. I am heading over europe next year though lol should be a good trip.


if you hit the uk theres always a bed at mine for you mate

theres a lot of good morelia in europe

ollie at precision reptiles has imo the best collection of morelia outside oz

he's a friendly guy and im sure if you arranged to go to his facility you'd be made more than welcome

his site is precision reptiles

i hope ive not broke any rules wayne,its noty a forum its a european breeders site

delete this post if ive broke any rules mate

cheers shaun

[percey39]

I will deffinetely be trying to go see and handle some of the big guy's like af rocks and green conda's, but really wanna be able to have a look at some of my dream hot's while im over there too. I have been contemplating going to Scotland mate so you never know i might hit you up for a bit of a drink at your local pub and to hold some of those stunners of yours!!

[shaunyboy]

I will deffinetely be trying to go see and handle some of the big guy's like af rocks and green conda's, but really wanna be able to have a look at some of my dream hot's while im over there too. I have been contemplating going to Scotland mate so you never know i might hit you up for a bit of a drink at your local pub and to hold some of those stunners of yours!!


your more than welcome to crash at mines mate

im 25 minutes away from edinburgh,most folk like to go do the touristy stuff there

my local pubs nick name is beruit ...!!

our local high street (main street) is nick named " the gazza strip "

but id make sure you were ok as im now one of the old school in the village,haha

cheers shaun

[percey39]

Cheers mate, i heard it gets pretty wild over there but thats part of the history! Im not much of a tourist attraction person as i prefer doing all the back street kind of things and experiencng the different cultures over seeing object i have seen in pictures or on TV. Dont get me wrong there is some seriously nice looking landmarks over your way that i want to see.

[shaunyboy]

Cheers mate, i heard it gets pretty wild over there but thats part of the history! Im not much of a tourist attraction person as i prefer doing all the back street kind of things and experiencng the different cultures over seeing object i have seen in pictures or on TV. Dont get me wrong there is some seriously nice looking landmarks over your way that i want to see.


the only good thing there is you can drive from one end of scotland to the other in 4 hours

you can do one end of the uk (the bottom of england) to the top part of the uk (the top of scotland) in roughly 10 to 12 hours

im wondering how long it would take to drive from the furthest south part to the furthest north part of australia mate ?

thats if it can be done ?

cheers shaun

[percey39]

Wow thats not too bad at all. To drive from Melbourne to brisbane takes 23 hours non stop, so you would be looking at 36 hours maybe more without stopping lol thats on the mainland. You can take your car by boat to Tasmania for around $180. It would be hard to everything you want to do in a holiday though and you know when you get home you will be shatterd about missing something.

[shaunyboy]

GOSFORD would be a must mate

as thats where all my nice diamonds live

cheers shaun

[percey39]

Haha who would of guessed!!!