Sick red tail

[RandyRhoads420]

My boa has been wheezing and blowing bubbles for a month or two. His throat looks like its inflated when he breathes. Like a big ball of air. I gave him 2 Mls a day for 10 days of bayril. He seemed like he was alot better for about two days. Now it's back. What's next? Another baytril treatment?

[kenchenzo]

have you turned temps up mate.

[infernalis]

have you gone to see the vet ?

[.: Laura :.]

Sounds like an RI, I experienced the same problem with my garter. The vet gave me a few courses of injections for her but the general homecare advice was to raise the temperature, raise the humidity in the viv and also create an environment of very high humidity eg. steam box and put the snake in once a day. Also keep them hydrated :)

[RandyRhoads420]

Its in the mid 90's and very humid. The vet gave me the Baytril.Still sick.

[Lankyrob]

I would be back to the vet - he may offer a different anti biotic?

[shaunyboy]

My boa has been wheezing and blowing bubbles for a month or two. His throat looks like its inflated when he breathes. Like a big ball of air. I gave him 2 Mls a day for 10 days of bayril. He seemed like he was alot better for about two days. Now it's back. What's next? Another baytril treatment?

it sounds like a respiritory infection mate those are classic symptoms

usually it is a minimum of 4 to 6 weeks treatment length when using baytril mate

a dose every second day if you mix 10mg per 1 kg of snake

baytril doses are as follows

5 to 10 mg per kg of snake body wieght

i use a 10mg per 1 kg but only every second day

baytril 2.5% has 25mg to 1ml soulution

for example 1kg snake is 0.2ml to 0.4ml

0.2ml being the weakest dose

0.4 the strongest dose

if you work out the wieght of your snake i reccomend you use 0.4ml per kilo of body wieght.

i would put your boa back on a 4 to 6 week course

raise his hot end temperature by 4 or 5 degrees

he should do just fine with that mate


CHECK THE BOTTLE OF BAYTRIL TO MAKE SURE ITS BAYTRIL 2.5%

if its stuff the vet gave you already made up then you would have to ask him what percetage the mix is mate

cheers shaun

[shaunyboy]

I would be back to the vet - he may offer a different anti biotic?


baytril is a broad spectrum anti biotic and usually very good at curing respiritory infection

snakes respond a lot slower to treatments than mammals or ourselves

i honestly beieve that the snakes treatment was not for a long enough period of time

you said there was a great improovement for the 10 days he was on it

ive had snakes show no improovement until 2 to 3 weeks after begining treatment

3 weeks is the longest i would wait then if i saw no improovement i would change my treatment

however if i saw a little improovement after 3 weeks i would keep going to week 6 and if by then there was good improovement i would continue to week 8.i had to do this with a rescue

it made a 100% recovery

hope you get it sorted randy mate

cheers shaun

[shaunyboy]

Its in the mid 90's and very humid. The vet gave me the Baytril.Still sick.


i just noticed this post mate

i honestly think your vet has not reccomended a long enough treatment.

if it was 10 days recommendation

imo it should be 4 weeks minimum treatment length

8 weeks maximum


also ask him the strength of the baytril mixture

if its 0.2ml per kg body wieght then thats the weakest version

if its 0.4ml per kg then thats the strongest and what i use

but only dose every second day at that strength mate

cheers shaun

[mykee]

Unless you have a sensitivity test and a trans-tracheal culture done, your vet is taking a stab in the dark as to what antibiotic will work.
Baytril, though still a semi-decent broad-range antibiotic, is no longer the Magic Drug it was years ago prior to private hobbyists and keepers treating their animals with it willy nilly without a sensitivity and culture done. This created a ton of bacterial RI's that are simply Baytril resistant.
My guess is (working under the assumption that your vet, like most out there, are outdated with their knowledge of antibiotics for reptiles, and just tossed you a bottle of Baytril) that your boas RI is Baytril resistant.

[Will0W783]

I personally despise Baytril. While it is a decent broad-spectrum antibiotic, it is highly tissue necrotic if not given exactly right. When you give Baytril, you have to make sure to inject it into the muscle, and not subcutaneously, or you will end up with open necrotic sores on the skin. Furthermore, I've had several snake have allergic reactions to Baytril and die within two doses. I much prefer Amikacin, and have had nothing but good luck with it when it was given. However, it is rough on the kidneys, so you have to give daily soaks and sometimes injected fluids depending on the snake's condition. Fortaz is another broad-spectrum I've heard good things about, but have never personally used. I have a large box of syringes and a few vials on Amikacin on hand for when I get a snake that has an RI and doesn't respond to the extra heat/humidity treatment. That's the first step you should always try- bump the cage heat up to 90-95 depending on the species and mist daily or twice daily to keep humidity up. You can also give daily 15-20 minute soaks in 90-92F water for hydration. This method works wonderfully if you are diligent and catch the symptoms early on. Once it's set in and severe enough for bad bubbling/foaming you usually need meds though.

[shaunyboy]

Unless you have a sensitivity test and a trans-tracheal culture done, your vet is taking a stab in the dark as to what antibiotic will work.
Baytril, though still a semi-decent broad-range antibiotic, is no longer the Magic Drug it was years ago prior to private hobbyists and keepers treating their animals with it willy nilly without a sensitivity and culture done. This created a ton of bacterial RI's that are simply Baytril resistant.
My guess is (working under the assumption that your vet, like most out there, are outdated with their knowledge of antibiotics for reptiles, and just tossed you a bottle of Baytril) that your boas RI is Baytril resistant.


if the snake responded well in the first 10 days when baytril was being administered then it says to me the bacteria was affected by the baytril

i personally would go with a longer dose of baytril

i dont throw drugs at my snakes willy nilly but sometimes they are a neccessity

i can pm you an alternative treatment used in the early stages of a ri but i think yours is in a more advanced stage randy

the alternative cure involes vicks vapour rub and eucaliptus oil and some boiling water.

i also have links to certain types of honey that can be used to fight infection instead of iodine etc

i also have re hydration methods that work within 24 hours again an alternative method with NO drugs involved

as i have said randys snake appears to have quite advanced symptoms and imo requires antibiotics

a quick swab of the windpipe then of to the lab for culture would not hurt though

cheers shaun

[shaunyboy]

I personally despise Baytril. While it is a decent broad-spectrum antibiotic, it is highly tissue necrotic if not given exactly right. When you give Baytril, you have to make sure to inject it into the muscle, and not subcutaneously, or you will end up with open necrotic sores on the skin. Furthermore, I've had several snake have allergic reactions to Baytril and die within two doses. I much prefer Amikacin, and have had nothing but good luck with it when it was given. However, it is rough on the kidneys, so you have to give daily soaks and sometimes injected fluids depending on the snake's condition. Fortaz is another broad-spectrum I've heard good things about, but have never personally used. I have a large box of syringes and a few vials on Amikacin on hand for when I get a snake that has an RI and doesn't respond to the extra heat/humidity treatment. That's the first step you should always try- bump the cage heat up to 90-95 depending on the species and mist daily or twice daily to keep humidity up. You can also give daily 15-20 minute soaks in 90-92F water for hydration. This method works wonderfully if you are diligent and catch the symptoms early on. Once it's set in and severe enough for bad bubbling/foaming you usually need meds though.


over here we use oral baytril administered by a tube

it saves being so invasive in using needles to do it

i swear by this method the few times ive used it i got 100% recovery


i have used it once but i try and stay away from drugs like amikacin due to the reinal failure it can lead to

cheers shaun

[Will0W783]

I was unaware you could give antibiotics orally to snakes...I've heard that because of the strength of their digestive system, the drugs just get destroyed when given orally. I will have to ask my vet about the oral Baytril and see if he's ever tried that...sounds like a good idea.

[infernalis]

I had to give oral antibiotics to one of my garter snakes before, he had puss blisters (infected mite wounds), and the oral antibiotic worked great..

the drug is Enrofloxacin.

[shaunyboy]

I was unaware you could give antibiotics orally to snakes...I've heard that because of the strength of their digestive system, the drugs just get destroyed when given orally. I will have to ask my vet about the oral Baytril and see if he's ever tried that...sounds like a good idea.


you use a syringe to load the meds then you put an infant baby feeding tube on it then insert the tube according to the size of the snake

with carpets i like to get roughly 5 to 8 inch of tube in

the tubes are the kind you see up a human new born babys nose when the baby is being fed via the nose with the tube running all the way to the babys stomach.

the tubes are made of soft pliable material so it in no way harms the snake.

a full bottle of undiluted baytril over here costs £35.$52

it is a large bottle and you dont use much with each treatment.

the vets over here will sell it to you on the quiet if they know you know how to do the treatment and work out the doses correctly.

cheers shaun

[infernalis]

I used a needle and injected the meds into the food.

It was a lot easier that trying to get the snake to cooperate.

another good source for a non damaging tube is to go to the pharmacy and buy a catheter (eww) they work and are non damaging as well.

[candyraver69]

I had to give oral antibiotics to one of my garter snakes before, he had puss blisters (infected mite wounds), and the oral antibiotic worked great..

the drug is Enrofloxacin.

Enrofloxacin is the same thing as Baytril. Must be used for a very broad range of problems. I've been given it for the the sick rat I rescued for upper respiratory problems. I know it's used for dogs as well. Can't get it with out a prescription that I know of in the US.

As everyone knows I am a dolt when it comes to snakes at this point, but I know enough about anti-biotics to know that even if it was working at one point it doesn't mean that it will continue to work. A lot of bacterias/viruses build an immunity to anti-biotics and you may need to switch to a different kind.

If it were me I'd go back to the vet, have a culture done and go from there. The initial cost might be expensive but having to try several different anti-biotics or even worse losing the snake is a cost I wouldn't want to pay.

[infernalis]

I have noticed that when I go to the vet they always give me drugs that are commonly used on other animals.

I forgot the name of the pain killer, but it's the same pain killer you would give an arthritic dog or cat (Vicodine for animals)

Panacur is a common de-wormer for dogs and often given in small doses to purge parasite worms from snakes.

[mykee]

"If it were me I'd go back to the vet, have a culture done and go from there. The initial cost might be expensive but having to try several different anti-biotics or even worse losing the snake is a cost I wouldn't want to pay. "
First intelligent post with reference to the RI since my post.
Of course it's completely up to you as to whether or not you want your boa to get better so I'm not going to push it because quite frankly, it's not my snake, so I really don't care all that much.
I will touch on a few points that were mentioned. Whether or not I step on other members' toes regarding their recommendations for treatment, I don't care.
1. Again that a trans-tracheal culture and sensitivity is the ONLY way to determine which antibiotic is working.
2. Whomever it was that said you should just stick with Baytril if you see some improvement; most bacterial RI's are comprised of more than one bacteria. Hence the sensitivity. Just because you're seeing improvement does not mean that Baytril will kill all the strains of bacteria. All you need is one single organism micro-organism that the Baytril didn't kill, and WHOOOP!
Here's another RI.
3. Tube feeding is very invasive and will stress out your animal greatly. I don't recommend it at all as stress will highly exacerbate the immunity of your snake. Intramuscular injections are the most effective, and least stressful of all delivery methods.
4. Vicks, Ivory Snow, herbal teas, pink sidewalk chalk, a severed chickens foot and eye of newt are all old wives tales and have no basis in medicine. It's voodoo I tell you.
Especially when treating some thing as life-threatening as a respiratory infection.
Again; your call, your snake.
Good luck.

[RandyRhoads420]

A 4-6 week treatment??? At 60 bucks a vial that could be 360 dollars....

I just bought another vial of Baytril. Can someone give me the proper dosage and how to administer in US MLs?The snake weighs 10 pounds. The vial is 20MLs of 2.27%


It's that throat bubble that worries me never heard of that.... Looks like a golfball under his neck. I visual checked it nothing stuck just air....

[percey39]

I do not use baytril, instead use fortum. Very good stuff and instead of 30-40 injections, the few times i have dealt with it its only been 8-10 needles. One shot every second day.
I also agree with mykee and candyraver69 on this, as it will save you and your snake lots of stress and time.

[Irish Eyes]

If that were my snake, I wouldn't mess around with guesses (even educated ones). I'd head to the vet and get the tests needed to properly diagnose and treat the problem. I wouldn't care so much about the costs (unless a cheaper treatment is as effective as a more expensive one). That's something that should be factored in before bringing an animal home. I personally know at least 3 people who have spent hundreds (one even over $1K) to have their budgies and cockatiels treated. The birds might have only cost $10-$50 to purchase, but everyone knows that even "free" is going to cost you a bundle over time!

[RandyRhoads420]

I know they cost alot...Probablly get flamed for this but I think i'd rather give it away and buy one that wasn't sick....

[infernalis]

Not trying to start anything bub, but what if that one falls ill??

[RandyRhoads420]

True. I think i'm just mad because now that I think about it i'm pretty sure he's been sick since I bought him but it kept getting worse because my temps werent good untill recently.

Can anyone give me the proper dosage in ML's for a 10 pound snake?

[shaunyboy]

A 4-6 week treatment??? At 60 bucks a vial that could be 360 dollars....

I just bought another vial of Baytril. Can someone give me the proper dosage and how to administer in US MLs?The snake weighs 10 pounds. The vial is 20MLs of 2.27%


It's that throat bubble that worries me never heard of that.... Looks like a golfball under his neck. I visual checked it nothing stuck just air....


the throat puffing up is just your snake trying to breath

its 100% normal for a snake with a ri to act this way mate

its ORAL baytril we use over here not injectable stuff

oral baytril is 2.5%

1lb = 453.6

snake wieghs 10lbs that = 4.53kg

1kg = 0.4ml baytril

your snake is 4.5 kg

if my calculations are correct then 1.81ml of baytril per dose

that applys to oral baytril

100ml of oral baytril costs £35 = $52

ask your vet to sell you oral baytril its much cheaper and its less invasive to the snake as your not sticking needles in it

you just use an infant baby feeding tube to insert it by mouth

cheers shaun

[RandyRhoads420]

I'll ask for it next time I might find a new vet...


Can anyone give me the proper dosage for injectable...I want to make sure what the vet said is right.

[shaunyboy]

First intelligent post with reference to the RI since my post.
Of course it's completely up to you as to whether or not you want your boa to get better so I'm not going to push it because quite frankly, it's not my snake, so I really don't care all that much.

if you dont care that much why bother posting ?


I will touch on a few points that were mentioned. Whether or not I step on other members' toes regarding their recommendations for treatment, I don't care.
1. Again that a trans-tracheal culture and sensitivity is the ONLY way to determine which antibiotic is working.

i never said any different

2. Whomever it was that said you should just stick with Baytril if you see some improvement; most bacterial RI's are comprised of more than one bacteria. Hence the sensitivity. Just because you're seeing improvement does not mean that Baytril will kill all the strains of bacteria. All you need is one single organism micro-organism that the Baytril didn't kill, and WHOOOP!
Here's another RI.

that has never been the case in any ri i have personally encountered.not to say it cant happen but imo most unlikely if the ri is responding to the point in this case where it went away until treatment was stopped.the treatment length was too short a time period.the baytril was doing its job just fine until then.


3. Tube feeding is very invasive and will stress out your animal greatly. I don't recommend it at all as stress will highly exacerbate the immunity of your snake. Intramuscular injections are the most effective, and least stressful of all delivery methods.

matter of opinion mate,all sorts of things can happen when you get inexperienced people giving injections,from abcess to hitting a vien and killing your snake on the spot


4. Vicks, Ivory Snow, herbal teas, pink sidewalk chalk, a severed chickens foot and eye of newt are all old wives tales and have no basis in medicine. It's voodoo I tell you.

if your interested in seeing the methods i speak of i will pm you a link to all of them which will show you prooof by the means of pictures taken throughout the procedures.

your voodoo statment just shows me how narrow minded you are mate

but then again you probaly know best eh ?

Especially when treating some thing as life-threatening as a respiratory infection.
Again; your call, your snake.
Good luck.


i have tried to answer your your quote.since im not great with copmputers i had to do it within the quote itself.im sure you will be able to sort my answers out from your statments.

i also pm'd you a few proven alternative treatments to show you they arte anything but voodoo

i will now wait and see if you reply to said treatments re how they have worked many many times in the past

anyone who would like links to the treatments im talking about please feel free to pm me for them

chhers shaun

[shaunyboy]

I used a needle and injected the meds into the food.

It was a lot easier that trying to get the snake to cooperate.

another good source for a non damaging tube is to go to the pharmacy and buy a catheter (eww) they work and are non damaging as well.


thats no good if the meds are to be given every second day mate

you would have to feed too much to do it that way

cheers shaun

[shaunyboy]

I know they cost alot...Probablly get flamed for this but I think i'd rather give it away and buy one that wasn't sick....


i have spent over £300 on a jaguar python thats worth half that

its not about the money randy its about being responsible for an animail in your care

so you give the sick one away and buy a new one

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT GETS SICK TOO ?

oh what the hell i'll just keep dumping the sick ones and replace them with new ones

very poor attitude mate

cheers shaun

[shaunyboy]

If that were my snake, I wouldn't mess around with guesses (even educated ones). I'd head to the vet and get the tests needed to properly diagnose and treat the problem. I wouldn't care so much about the costs (unless a cheaper treatment is as effective as a more expensive one). That's something that should be factored in before bringing an animal home. I personally know at least 3 people who have spent hundreds (one even over $1K) to have their budgies and cockatiels treated. The birds might have only cost $10-$50 to purchase, but everyone knows that even "free" is going to cost you a bundle over time!


its got nothing to do with guesses

i dont guess then hope for the best.that would be reckless and quite frankly insane.....!!!

i was talking from FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE regards oral baytril treatment

for the record i have just spent over £300 on a snake thats worth less than half that

£300 = $450

i thought open forums were about sharing experiences and knowledge with each other

not going about accusing people of guessing facts

ESPECIALLY WHEN A SNAKES HEALTH IS AT STAKE

this whole thread has made my brain smoke so i wont be commenting on it again

I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST IN GETTING YOUR SNAKE BETTER RANDY

cheers shaun

[mykee]

"Probablly get flamed for this but I think i'd rather give it away and buy one that wasn't sick.... "

Randy, you make me sick. Your attitude is pi$$ poor and it's ***people*** like you that don't deserve to own any living creature.

[percey39]

I like Shaun have spent huge money on vet bills. I had a liver biopsy done, lung x rays, 60 or more injections given and fluid injections as well. These were all on a snake my partner purchased for me from a pet shop ( never done this again and never will ) that cost $450, the vet bills were in excess of $1100. If you dont love the animal enough to treat it, then you should never have bought it in the first place. I hope you have not gone in over your head with all the animals you have purchased recently, as with the more you own the it will cost you on a daily basis.

[RandyRhoads420]

Randy, you make me sick. Your attitude is pi$$ poor and it's ***people*** like you that don't deserve to own any living creature.


Haha wow dude. Really going to get into name calling grow up...

Not really going to do it just upset about the cost.

[Reptile_Reptile]

randy you sure get flamed a lot

[Lankyrob]

I certainly dont agree with name calling etc but i feel that sometimed Randy post inflammatory comments to get a response like this - just my opinion.

[infernalis]

Moments like this make my job tough.

Unfortunately at this particular instance I do believe it was very passionate response to a post that was... well...trolling for a passionate response.

I am amazed that there were not more "passionate" posts made after that rather disturbing comment was made about "discarding" a sick snake.

To keep in line with the rules.. I am editing one single instance of a "name" being called, however Mykee is entitled to post his opinion just the same as anyone else here. ;)

Haha wow dude. Really going to get into name calling grow up....

I honestly believe you expected this or maybe worse when this was said...

"Probablly get flamed for this but I think i'd rather give it away and buy one that wasn't sick.... "

The first five words in that post indicate that a response of this nature was EXPECTED, so how can you get angry when the very same thing you anticipated was going to happen actually did?

If anyone disagrees, feel free to tell me.

[mykee]

Thanks Wayne.:rolleyes: Sometimes irresponsible pet owners really get under my skin. However, I didn't think "snotrag" was worthy or an edit. My other options would have been however...

With this:
"I am amazed that there were not more "passionate" posts made after that rather disturbing comment was made about "discarding" a sick snake."
I agree entirely.
It seems that the swing towards total "PCness" on this board has turned people into wimps; completely devoid of emotion, passion, and the excitement about teh care of these animals that never left me.
Maybe it's just the Irish and Italian in my blood, even though I have neither....
Say how you feel people, if someone says something that burns your arse, SPEAK UP!!!!
Pansies.
(except for Shaun, whom I truly enjoy sparring with)
I wholly expect "pansies" to also be edited...
and of course "snotrag" (???) again...

[infernalis]

I expected that statement to really spark a major forest fire.

I'm not saying that we need any major wars on the board, but if something really irks you, let it out and speak your mind.

[Lankyrob]

I didnt respond aggressively purely for the reason that this is exactly what i believe Randy wanted - i am not prepared to lower myself to the level of entertaining someone who is asking to be shouted at. As i indicated in my previous post it is MY OPINION that Randy enjoys or is looking for reactions to his inflammatory posts and i for one aint going to.

If it was a random person who had posted the same comment then i would most defiinitely have spoken up with my thoughts regarding the moral stance of dumping a sick animal but in this case with this OP - not worth the effort to type a response.

[Will0W783]

I have been away all weekend, and just popped on and noted the updates to this thread...Randy, how the h*** can you even consider giving away a sick animal just because it's sick, when it's almost surely YOUR fault because you couldn't get your temps right??? I've not really appreciated your attitude towards your animals on this forum in general, but that post really ticked me off. I have poured several hundreds of dollars into animals not worth 1/10 of that, because they are my pets and I took on the responsibility of the animal's health and well-being when I bought it. Snakes, and other reptiles for that matter, are 100% dependent on us to provide them with a proper environment..they cannot regulate their own body heat, they need us to provide heat, light, food, water, and when we lapse, their health suffers.
HOW COULD YOU EVEN THINK YOU COULD POST SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON A FORUM AND NOT GET CHASTISED FOR IT????!! I'm absolutely sickened...I do all I can for newcomers to this forum and to reptiles in general, to help them feel welcome and to be more patient than some others who have been around longer and seen more than I have. But this kind of garbage is why I keep my mouth shut more lately...it's not worth helping people when they can just say callous, cold things like that.
You've just cost yourself any respect I may have had for you.

Suck it up, take responsibility for your pet, and do what needs to be done to make it better. If you can't be man enough to do that, then find it a proper home with someone who WILL. That's really all I have to say on the matter.

[Lankyrob]

Well said willow

[marvelfreak]

I expected that statement to really spark a major forest fire.

I'm not saying that we need any major wars on the board, but if something really irks you, let it out and speak your mind.

I am with Rob. I was going to but figure why give him what he wants. Sometime it's better to ignore stupidity. Beside i think Kim just did one hell of a job ripping him a new one.:)

[Reptile_Reptile]

i took my 10C feeder goldfish to the vet when it got scale rot... fish vets arent cheap dude. i paid 96$ for a vet visit on a fish that was .10C one more time .10C. i was 15then and i paid for the fish and i accepted the responsibility. Grow up


P.S.
the fish still lives do not ask me how i was told his life span was 10m not 3 years his name is rosco and he is the rock n' roll fish

[Freebody]

I didnt respond to this BS either just because its completely over the top for a long time member to say, really what are you thinking randy, to even say that just to get under are skin like you said is complete BS in itself. give your head a shake and help your poor snake that didnt choose to be owned by you like you chose to own it...think about it :(

[RandyRhoads420]

Beleive it or not I didn't say it to piss people off. I just don't care."If someone irks me speak up....nah... You see I actually have a life and don't feel like aruging over the internet with people i'll never see, thats just entirely to funny to me.Internet fight!!. The only reason i'm still looking at this thread is to see if anyone posted the answer to my question...or took all this time bitching at me instead of helping. As for all your uncalled name calling. Lol. Ok. Not concerned with your opinions. None of you know me. I'm a name on a damn internet site. Get over it.


And Yes I care about the life of it but it might not be better to give it to someone who wouldn't mind paying for all the meds? Never said if I couldn't find a good home i'd throw it in a dumpster. You guys get off by splashing blood on peoples fur coats too? Lmao.

[infernalis]

You sir are a troll, plain and simple..

No other member has induced as much drama on the boards as you have, so as of this moment we wash our hands of you..

These may only be words on a screen, but you have to remember one thing, there are real live human beings writing those words and reading yours.

The rest of us take great pride in providing the best possible care for our animals and we really don't need the crap anymore.

Goodbye!:mad:

[Will0W783]

Good riddance! Way to go, Infernalis!

[Lankyrob]

Well said wayne, good riddance to bad rubbish!

[Freebody]

Good call wayne. :)

[infernalis]

Thanks..

It had to be done.

[Will0W783]

Yes, it did. The only thing I worry about now is that poor snake. I hope Randy has the decency to get it care, or get it to someone who will.

[infernalis]

Keeping him around was not going to change a thing there Kim, he's set on doing things his way regardless of the opinions of others.

It's like my neighbor, no matter how much I explain or plea with her, she still chases snakes down with her lawn mower and then complains about the mice and rats in her cellar and shed.

[Will0W783]

I know...it just makes me sad. He had to go. I'm glad he's gone. I just hope the poor snake doesn't suffer at his immature, careless hands.

[infernalis]

I know...it just makes me sad. He had to go. I'm glad he's gone. I just hope the poor snake doesn't suffer at his immature, careless hands.


It already has/is.......

All you can really do is focus on the animals in your care and put this guy out of your mind.

If you allow this kid to continue bothering you, then the troll has accomplished his goal.

[Will0W783]

True. Ugh, it makes my blood boil though. If I knew where the b-tard lived, I'd go and get the snake myself. Hopefully it bites him in the face...lol.

[Sithis]

Wow I'm glad I missed this by a few days because I would have most likely have been banned for what I would have told him. Like most here I try to provide the best care possible for my animals. I go over and beond, to the point that I will sell personal belongings that I enjoy. When even one of my invertebrates gets sick or dies I am devastated. And they are just bugs from most peoples standards. I even feel bad bc I feed live to some of the animals that I keep and the poor mice have to die a horrible death.
Anyway good call... The d/bag was just trolling for trouble.