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[=Carinata=]

hello everyone,
im looking foward to posting some pics of my 2 new rough scale pythons.
Im interested in crossing australian python species like carpet x rough scale, jungle x green tree python and rsp x gtp. I don't have a gtp yet.
heres a u tube clip of my 2yo rsp girl.
YouTube - rough-scale python morelia carinata (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVpzf9lHAz4)
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[=Carinata=]

i like brians from snake bytes carpet x gtp. carpondro.
Has anyone else got any hybrids?

[shaunyboy]

how easy is it to obtain rough scaled pythons for a private collection in australia.everything ive read on them suggests that they are hard to find.i just read keeping and breeding austalian pythons by mike swan.in it john weigel only managed to locate 10 specimens after 17 field trips.i would love a pair of rough scaled pythons but dont think it will ever happen as i'm stuck here in the uk.i would love to see some pictures of any you have come across.
cheers shaun

p.s.i just noticed your link.i'm in awe mate,the head shape and eyes are amazing.i now have to just sit and hope that some day an australian zoo,etc gets permission to allow some to be exported to europe,canada or the states.then i may be lucky enough to get some for my morelia collection.you are very lucky to be born in australia.

[shaunyboy]

i like brians from snake bytes carpet x gtp. carpondro.
Has anyone else got any hybrids?
theres a guy in europe thats breeding jag/pondros.coastal jaguar carpet co dom morph x gtp.they are one of the most stunning snakes ive ever seen.i'll get you the adress for the site the pic's were on and pm you the details.

[=Carinata=]

hi shauny those jagpondros are really cool.
The rough-scale python in australian has become more available thanks to john wegle and others captive breeding in such large numbers. the price started at $ 5000 each.
then $3000. then 5000$ for a pair. this year the price dropped to 1800 for a pair.
The one of mine in that you tube clip was $1150.
On thursday im going to pick up a pair of rsp hatchling i purchesed fo $500 each.
The rsp changes colour a bit at night time, they go into a grey ghost mode when they hunt or fell threatened.
they have bionocular vison and are moluculary close to to the gtp.
they have the longest teeth of the ozzy python. and keeled scales.
they are from a remote region in western australia, called the kimbilies,very hard to acess.
there is some colour variation between light and dark.
These snake are more placid and docile than coastal carpet python.
they are the first snakes i will attempt to breed, they are easy to breed laying 12 to 16 eggs. heres some pics. they roll into a ball. sometimes when handled, probabally stressed.
I dont think there are any of these outside of australia, I think thats fair since you's are soo far ahead with designer morphs.

[Will0W783]

So pretty- they look like what you'd expect an Angolan x carpet cross to look like. Are they available in the US yet do you know?

[=Carinata=]

no I dont know what an angolian is willow, got a picture?
maybe someone created and planted the roughies in australia, lol ha ha

[percey39]

if you are from australia you would/should know what you are talking about is completely ILLEGAL here. You can not breed hybrids here so i would watch what you say about breeding them.

[siz]

Hybrids, In my opinion, are detrimental to the hobby as a whole.

[=Carinata=]

green tree python x rough scaled python. I bet iwouldnt be the first if i did do it.

[shaunyboy]

if you are from australia you would/should know what you are talking about is completely ILLEGAL here. You can not breed hybrids here so i would watch what you say about breeding them.
i did'nt know that mate but i can understand why.escaped hybrids contaminating pure wild blood lines.

back on the subject of rough scaled pythons.i have read a report from john weigel (the guy who in 1998 was given permission to collect specimens and start a captive breeding programe) he says the rough scale python is the only known python with KEELED SCALES.can anyone explain to me exactly what he means by keeled ?
cheers shaun

[shaunyboy]

john weigel first thought their teeth were so long because their main diet maybe birds,so would need the extra legnth to get through the feathers.but he could find no evidence of this.also when trying to get his first 5 wild caught rough scaleds to eat,he found after trying most things the only thing that worked was a spinifex hopping mouse.when offered to the first caught male after 3 months of fasting he got a strong feeding reaction.he thinks the long teeth are to aid with rock rats that as a defencive measure can shed clumps of skin and fur.where a snake with shorter teeth might end up with nothing more than a mouth full of fur,a hungry rough scale python,with its long dagger like teeth is more likely to secure its intended meal.thanks for posting the info and pictures of the rough scale.
cheers shaun

p.s.anglolan pythons have similar headshapes to royal pythons (ball python) but colours and markings like a rough scaled python.we have angolans in the uk.they are quite rare and expensive though.lets hope your goverment allows some rough scaled pythons to be exported out the country some time soon.

[percey39]

Carinata you may be the first to do this if you were successful as roughies are only in australia at this point in time, but as i have already said it is illegal. IMO hybrids are destroying this hobby as people buy snakes "to be cool and have pretty looking ones", pfft i believe snakes look their best when they are natural. I believe by creating hybrids we will be destroying genetics and creating more problems with diseases and deformations. Thats just my opinion.

Shaunyboy with the keeled scales that means instead of having flat scales they have a ridge down the centre of them, similar to those of some venomous species. This is what gives them their name rough scaled, they are the only species of python to have this trait.

[shaunyboy]

thanks for the info percey 39.unfortunatly the only reference i have is pictures,in which to me the scales did look raised.now thanks to you i now know the dark ridges up the centre of them are what john weigel was reffering to as keeled.i really do hope one day your goverment will allow a few rough scaled pythons to be exported to zoo's,etc.i would love to see them in the flesh.i'm afraid a trip to your beautifull country is out my league,what with it being on the opposite side of the world and all.
cheers shaun

[percey39]

No dramas, i do believe there is proberly already talks about exporting some of these to different zoo's all round the world. This species has bred easily in captivity so there will be huge number of these out there in the next couple of years. Im sure you could one day make a trip over here and deal with some of species of snakes. You never know they might start a breeding program for the oenpelli python over here soon, they are a great looking snake and if our government leaves it too much longer we might lose these all together.

[=Carinata=]

your right percey, Im just going to breed pure roughies. But i would still love to know what a roughie x gtp would look like.
Shauny boy ive got my new babies, they are nearly 2 months old and tommoro im going to take some pics and post them up here. they are tiny little things.

[shaunyboy]

No dramas, i do believe there is proberly already talks about exporting some of these to different zoo's all round the world. This species has bred easily in captivity so there will be huge number of these out there in the next couple of years. Im sure you could one day make a trip over here and deal with some of species of snakes. You never know they might start a breeding program for the oenpelli python over here soon, they are a great looking snake and if our government leaves it too much longer we might lose these all together.

the oenpelli python is another of your naitive snakes i'd love to see in the flesh.especially their ability to change colour.the rough scaled do a similar thing re colour changing.peter krauss has kept a captive pair of oenpelli's since he obtained them as juveniles in 1974.he has had success in breeding them.so fingers crossed your goverment don't drag their heels with loads of red tape and let a breeding project for these wonderfull big pythons take place soon.it would be such a shame to loose these intriguing pythons.

carinata i cant wait to see the pictures of your new babys.
cheers shaun

[=Carinata=]

these are some of the nicer pics i've found. I call em choco white tails. But they are normal roughies.
shuany my hatchling are the from the clutch of the first pic i posted. I havent taken any pics they are soo small. But I think you'll like these ones

[Hillsberry]

Awwwww! What pretty snakes!!

[shaunyboy]

they're awsome mate,dont no how long it will be before some find their way out of australia.i think it was percey39 that told me your goverments thinking about allowing some out the country to zoo's.i would love to see these guy's in the flesh.the pic's are much apreciated mate.
cheers shaun

[Feebo]

Western Hogs are keel scaled Shauny :)

[percey39]

Yeah i had heard from a close friend of mine that as they are so high in demand by foreign zoo's, that they are considering exporting a couple of established c/b snakes in a few years.

[shaunyboy]

Yeah i had heard from a close friend of mine that as they are so high in demand by foreign zoo's, that they are considering exporting a couple of established c/b snakes in a few years.

that would be great,i think its going to be at least the 10 year plus mark before they filter down to folk like myself.no doubt the prices will be sky high on the first ones let out to private breeders.probaly be the germans who get their hands on them first,if the albino's and all the rest are anything to go by.
cheers shaun

[percey39]

Yeah i would have it a guess if they are legally exported it will take 4-5 years or if cause our government is too slack. They will end up being taken illegally anyway and as i have been told germany has nearly all our snakes by the sounds of it so will proberly end up there.

[=Carinata=]

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[=Carinata=]

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[shaunyboy]

very nice roughies mate,thanks for the pictures.