our pueblans.....

[infernalis]

Here is the younger one.....

http://www.reptard.info/photo/pueblan.jpg

The old guy...

http://www.thamfriends.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=17&pictureid=219

http://www.mypetforums.com/Pueblan/oreo2.jpg

http://www.mypetforums.com/Pueblan/oreo.jpg

[marvelfreak]

Really nice looking baby! How old is the old guy?

[infernalis]

No idea, I obtained him as "retired"

The younger one is a '09 baby

[Feebo]

How long does thise species take to mature? I`ve had mine for three years and he`s still a tiny little guy ! :)

[infernalis]

Most snakes grow all their lives, although the majority of their growth will be in the first few years of life. With optimal conditions and unlimited food, most milk snakes can reach adult size and reproduce in two years.

I have found with my Eastern milks that it depends on the feeding routine.

I kept 4 hatchlings from the same clutch, all took their first pink within a week of each other.

2 of them have eaten only XS pinks (easier for a small snake to eat) and two others are eating full size to large pinks. One can down a fuzzy mouse.

The two snakes that are eating more food are 30-40 percent larger than siblings in 18 months.

None of them are fully mature yet, and the mother missed one season now due to no male to mate her with.

within 3-4 years your pueblan should reach it's "optimum size"

They live many years, once mature they produce young for 8-10 years, and after that are still around for several more years.

In the wild, its generally less due to disease and predators or harsh winters.

And in the wild, sometimes the prey inflicts damage (rodents fight back, and have sharp teeth) so that can reduce lifespan.

That's a good reason in itself to feed F/T or pre-killed to any captive snake.

[Feebo]

Cheers :) I`ll have to post some photos of him soon...

[infernalis]

Tonight I was down in the basement feeding cables up through the floor, I slid this step stool over to where I was at, and it had a box top laying on it, so I moved the box top, and holy smokes if my Pueblan milk snake (the 4 foot adult) was all curled up under there relaxing.

These snakes don't eat every day, so I didn't even know he was gone, he was in his cage last week when he ate.

Stinker lives under his hides and burrows in the substrate all the time, so I never even noticed.

The cover has a LOT of weight on it, and it looked undisturbed, yet there was my snake, in the basement sitting on a step stool.

Had I not been feeding cable, it would have turned out a lot different.

[Feebo]

That was the very first lesson I learned when I started keeping snakes. Never, ever presume a weight on the lid will hold the snake in ! lol They`re always stronger than you thought ! Still, you`d think it would damage the tail or something wouldn`t you? Glad you found him! :)

[Will0W783]

Snakes can get out of tiny holes and cracks. I had one of my yearling mandarin ratsnakes escape and get under the baseboard in my snake room. It took me two days of setting pinky mouse-baited traps to get her out. I was so scared I'd lost her for good. Now they are in a different shelf in my rack with a lid that fits very tightly and I check that they are both there every day.

[infernalis]

Oreo (our adult Pueblan) is a master escape artist, his first home was a big box I built 4 feet wide, 2 feet deep and 2 feet tall.

The lid was 1/2 sheet of 3/4 inch press board like they make counter tops from, very heavy.

he pushed the cover over to one side and went exploring. Then I ran screws down through the top.

Later I was given a 55 gallon tank, so I moved him in there, the first cover was a "zilla" screen, pushed it off right away, even with a tool tray stacked on it.

I built a very heavy wood top for the 55 gallon, and he seemed fine, but now I need to re-think that.

I need to also seal the reptile room down tighter, so at least if they get out of the cage, no animals will be able to leave the room.

[Feebo]

Yeeeeah I worry about that, there`s a big gap under my door and an ensuite bathroom, I worry any escapees will be straight down the toilet ! lol My snakes are under lock and key though, unless they learn to astrally project themselves out of thier tanks they`re not going anywhere..... :)

[Squisher]

Awesome pics Wayne. I had a young King snake for little while that a shelter in Delaware called a Garter and was given to another rescue we know down there for realease. As soon as she let it out of the bag she knew it wasn't a Garter and pawned it off on me. In any event I had a hard time getting something set up for such a small fella so i put him in a critter carrier with a locking screen top. At least once a week he would be missing. How he managed to pop the screen from the latch is beyond me. My reptile room is behind a closed door and is constantly at 88 degrees. He would not only leave his enclosure.. but leave the room by going under the door where there is hardly a gap. He would then manage to get past 4 dogs..two being total spazes.. and over to my daughters area. I would routinely find him under the 4 foot Clifford The Big Red Dog!

[triangulum]

Here is the younger one.....

http://www.reptard.info/photo/pueblan.jpg



Nice Animal, But I wouldn't class him as a Campbelli, Well not pure Campbelli to say the least. He has far to many triads, and the triads are not of equal size to each other. He looks to have L.t.Arcifera or L.Ruthveni. His overall body mass isn't stocky like a Campbelli should be. Saying that, his head looks that of a Nelsoni.

Thats the problem with the Triangulum genus nowadays, people think they can play with fire and put any old Sub-Species together. Nine times out of ten, they think twice doing it again, as it's so difficult to sell on the hatchlings, let alone breeding a 5-6ft Hondurensis to a 3ft Campbelli.

Are you registed to the Kingsnake.com forum. The guys on the Milksnake forum know what there talking about, and they could add some insite into what he actually is, or what is in him geneticly.

P.s. Your Adult is hands down a Campbelli and a very nice one at that.

Scott

[infernalis]

been on kingsnake forever, Doug Mong is a good friend. (He's a "milkman")

[triangulum]

been on kingsnake forever, Doug Mong is a good friend. (He's a "milkman")

Doug is a great guy in the Milksnake community.

Please, don't think I was being manipulative in my previous post. I was merely just stating I don't think it is pure Campbelli.

Scott

[infernalis]

No problem, it was a gift from a friend, she got it from Brent Bumgardner.

[infernalis]

http://www.thamnophis.us/close/pueblo.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.us/close/pueblo1.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.us/close/pueblo2.jpg

[infernalis]

http://www.thamnophis.co/OCT/reo.jpg