chondros from 10/05

[zappaguy]

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[zappaguy]

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[Will0W783]

They are absolutely stunning! I especially love the face and white on the 4th one!

[citysnakes]

nice GTPs, but get rid of those tanks and put those beauties in some proper caging.

[siz]

I second what Julian said. Your snakes are very beautiful though.

[zappaguy]

nice GTPs, but get rid of those tanks and put those beauties in some proper caging.



sigh....i know,those cages are a sore point with me,but i have tried to commision a few people to build me better and proper cages but everyone of them have fallen down and stubbed their little toes....now pass the relish!

ps:proper is not the term...more pleasing to the eye would be more appropriate...cuz if they weren't 'proper' than why oh why do i keep getting babies every year?? just asking.

[siz]

Can I just ask what's up with your relish thing? hahaha I saw it on RC too.

[citysnakes]

hehe no no, proper is the word i was looking for. you know snakes will successfully breed and produce eggs under your bed if they had too.:)

hey man where you at in Toronto?? you expecting any green tree hatchlings soon or what?

[zappaguy]

hehe no no, proper is the word i was looking for. you know snakes will successfully breed and produce eggs under your bed if they had too.:)

hey man where you at in Toronto?? you expecting any green tree hatchlings soon or what?

i sure hope you don't mean chondro breeding,all the 'recipe' snakes out there yes but not chondros...they have reduced some of the 'big named' breeders to tears as they blurt out...'why won't they produce? i can produce ball pythons and cornsnakes!'

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/erichasler/IM006506.jpg

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ps:Pass the relish

[zappaguy]

this site is weird...posted 4 pictures and gave me an error that i have posted 6 photos and to remove 2 of them...oh well apparently i am also deficient in some ways to.

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ps:Pass the relish

[Will0W783]

Awwwww! I just absolutely adore baby chondros! They are such cute, feisty little things. Those crosshair eyes and those little heat pits and the heads that look too large for the tiny slender little necks- soooo adorable!
I really hope to one day breed my pair, but I want my girl to get a bit bigger and I want to read more on breeding them before I attempt it.
You really do have some beautiful chondros- I absolutely love the high blue one in the top breeding picture...what line is that?

[Will0W783]

And what is it with you and relish? "Pass the relish"- I don't get it?

[new2herp01]

Wow those guys are Gorgeous! one day I hope I can own one or maybe a BP morph...They are soo green lol

[Will0W783]

Yeah, GTPs are great snakes. Absolutely one of my favorites. I have been fortunate in that both mine are fairly tame, and honestly it isn't all that hard to find tame GTPs. You do need a good amount of experience before you tackle them though; they have high humidity requirements but are susceptible to RI if kept damp, and they need slightly cooler temps than a BP but again not much cooler or you'll get them sick. They're work, but definitely worth it. Absolutely stunning animals and nothing is cooler than holding one and seeing that awesome face looking at you!

[siz]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/erichasler/IM006506.jpg


ps:Pass the relish

That blue one is niiiicee!

[zappaguy]

Wow those guys are Gorgeous! one day I hope I can own one or maybe a BP morph...They are soo green lol


please do not sully a perfectly good thread with talk of a ball python morph...those are best left on the other thread...or feed off to an indigo.

ps:Pass the relish

[citysnakes]

please do not sully a perfectly good thread with talk of a ball python morph...those are best left on the other thread...or feed off to an indigo.

...ya cuz chondros and chondro breeders are on a whole 'notha level than all of us other snake keepers.:rolleyes:

[zappaguy]

...ya cuz chondros and chondro breeders are on a whole 'notha level than all of us other snake keepers.:rolleyes:

ya see julian where i come from it is years and years of learning and understanding and reading about the beauty of real snakes...oh and learning,NOT 'oh what a pretty ball python!! how much is it and if i breed it how much can i make' it has nothing to do with who is on another level and who is not but apparently you believe it to be. that is ok as the hobby has sunken into an abyss of money whores and morph whores...believe what you wish,this is not a pissing war with me(and i have a full bladder). now for something completley different...very old pictures i found.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/erichasler/10.jpg

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ps:Pass the relish

[citysnakes]

please do not sully a perfectly good thread with talk of a ball python morph...those are best left on the other thread...or feed off to an indigo.

the beauty of real snakes...


it has nothing to do with who is on another level and who is not but apparently you believe it to be.


i believe to work with an animal that you are interested in and passionate about is legitimate no matter what the species and when keepers like you make comments in an attempt to belittle another keeper's passion and interest in a species that you feel is inferior, for whatever ignorant reason, is simply ridiculous.

the quoted comments prove that it is not I, rather you who believe in rank in keepers based on species kept which is also ignorant and ridiculous.

apparently you must have skipped through the maintenance sections of all that reading you've done over the years...

nevermind the relish, someone pass this guy a disinfectant so he can clean those dirty a$$ fish tanks.

[zappaguy]

i believe to work with an animal that you are interested in and passionate about is legitimate no matter what the species and when keepers like you make comments in an attempt to belittle another keeper's passion and interest in a species that you feel is inferior, for whatever ignorant reason, is simply ridiculous.

the quoted comments prove that it is not I, rather you who believe in rank in keepers based on species kept which is also ignorant and ridiculous.

apparently you must have skipped through the maintenance sections of all that reading you've done over the years...

nevermind the relish, someone pass this guy a disinfectant so he can clean those dirty a$$ fish tanks.

Dear Mr. "City snake".....

Thank you for taking your valuable time to read, and then respond to, my humble offerings here in the Chondro Forum. Even though you do not, as far as I can see, actually keep more than 1 Chondros and first hand experience with anything other than investment quality mutants, I certainly do appreciate your attempt, ham-fisted though some may find it, to point out any perceived non maintanence.

Oh, I could go on about how my live collection consists of dozens of genetically un-modified Chondropythons, and even a handful of other non-GMO snakes.......I could also point out that I have never claimed to be a purist who damns all so-called "morphs" all of the time. Hell, I might even mention the incongruity of anyone here, let alone someone such as myself, being taken to task publicly by someone with an impressive 2+ (3+??) years of experience at buying and selling mostly "investment quality" reptiles. I could.....but I won't......

I also find it interesting that when the mutant investment quality 'breeders' seem to be slighted they become a little agitated...funny no other breeders do.
Glad to see that this site has also sucken to the depths that the other sites have sunken to....
Sorry if I caused you any consternation........or constipation, for that matter.

Perhaps a few more photos will help......

Ahhhh.......memories.....
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http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/erichasler/Greener_or_Browner.jpg

ps:Pass the relish

[Wolfus_305]

WOW, the snakes on the previous page look absolutely amazing, congratulations!
They all have wonderful colours and it looks like quite a few of them will have quite the personality :)

Best of luck
Kendra

[siz]

Oh, I could go on about how my live collection consists of dozens of genetically un-modified Chondropythons, and even a handful of other non-GMO snakes.......I could also point out that I have never claimed to be a purist who damns all so-called "morphs" all of the time. Hell, I might even mention the incongruity of anyone here, let alone someone such as myself, being taken to task publicly by someone with an impressive 2+ (3+??) years of experience at buying and selling mostly "investment quality" reptiles. I could.....but I won't......

Seems to me like you did point it out. I love chrondos, a lot more than ball pythons to be honest, but that is personal preference and I don't think one is really "better" than the other in the grand scheme of things, and I certainly don't belittle people who keep something different than me.

[citysnakes]

Dear "Mr.Experience"

because of the internets, i can see how you can assume the quantity of my collection and my years of experience but thats all that is: assumption.

i am happy for you and you dozens of chondros but my perception of your non maintenance forces me to not respect you much as a "keeper"/"breeder" because i would never allow my "one" or possibly many(if less than dozens is many in your wise opinion) chondros to be kept in a manner such as yours. i guess that makes me a newb...

i dont need to drop numbers and dates or how or what i do to gain knowledge and/or experience as i dont have anything to prove much like a water stained, fish tank "chondro keeper" would have.

but what do i know with my "2+ or 3+" years of experience. i guess i shouldn't say anything at all until i am as greatly experienced and knowledgeable as you with your fish tanks and wit.



also its funny you should bring up mutants because I seem to recall defending a species and not a mutations in a previous post.

anyways im done wasting my time in this ignorant thread. thanks for the lovely pics. they resemble a few GTP enclosures i've seen somewhere before...

[zappaguy]

By the way, personal attacks is the last resort of an individual who is unable to mount an effective rebuttal.

[Brandon Osborne]

Yup. I see nothing improper about the cages. The most successful chondro breeder in the U.S. uses glass aquariums, with screen fronts, screen tops, and light bulbs for heat. As long as the animals physical requirements are met, they should be healthy. Most people use the term "proper" to describe caging that is appealing to the keeper.

[citysnakes]

Brandon, im not trying to argue for the sake of argument here as i have always been in agreement with other posts you have written on other forums.

i have always defended fish tanks as "proper" caging as long as specific environmental conditions are achieved. it is obvious that in this case there is no attempt to achieve any of these conditions. i would assume that even the most successful chondro breeder in the U.S provides his chondros with sanitary conditions where the animal has at least enough room to move and properly thermoregulate. the excuse that chondros are sedentary is convenient when housing full grown adults in 20 gallon tanks on their side with a foot print of 12" by 15". even the most successful chondro breeder wouldnt be able to convince me that the caging in this thread is "proper".

i would think that an objectively "proper" cage is one where the animal's physical requirements are met by meeting specific environmental conditions. in my opinion, just because an animal survives and breeds does not mean that it is being kept in the most optimal living conditions that the keeper can provide. that being said, these cages are objectively not proper no matter how one spins it.

[Brandon Osborne]

Though one's ideal concept of proper is only subjective. I can assure you, the largest breeder of chondros in the U.S., which by the way comes VERY well recommended by almost everyone, does not give room for much thermoregulation.....with the exception of a slight vertical option.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f217/BrandonOsborne/ricos/snakesaug13036.jpg
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Not only is he successful with keeping chondros this way, but also produces a large number of Emeralds, including Amazon Basins, in the exact same setups.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f217/BrandonOsborne/ricos/snakesaug13081.jpg
Again, I'm only trying to point out, what is acceptable for us might not be acceptable for the animals themselves. In my opinion, a happy chondro is one that doesn't move much at all. I'm sure you know who this keeper is that I'm referring to in the pictures above. He's on top of the world, so to speak. lol.

Anyway, let's just enjoy our animals while we can.

[Aaron_S]

please do not sully a perfectly good thread with talk of a ball python morph...those are best left on the other thread...or feed off to an indigo.

ps:Pass the relish

You're right, talk of morphs is best left to another thread but let's not talk about feeding other people's animals off to an indigo. That's not playing nice.

To be on topic with my post, I think the chondro's are beautiful. I would like to own one at some point. I am curious though. Even though these animals thrive in a very simplistic set up could they be set up in a larger, more "display" set up and do just as well? If I chose to do that?

[zappaguy]

You're right, talk of morphs is best left to another thread but let's not talk about feeding other people's animals off to an indigo. That's not playing nice.

To be on topic with my post, I think the chondro's are beautiful. I would like to own one at some point. I am curious though. Even though these animals thrive in a very simplistic set up could they be set up in a larger, more "display" set up and do just as well? If I chose to do that?

well i vowed not to come back to this or any other forum,Brandon+Aaron have enticed me to come back for a short trip. Brandon thanks again and will keep you posted on the development of the 2 white tongues,and always great to see Tony's setups again.Aaron,yes they can be kept in larger setups and can do just as well,no question.the thing you have to look for in ALL setups is stress and stress related issues. and to those who are wondering they are not 20 gallon 'fish cages'.

ps:Pass the relish
pps:splinters in arboreal snakes:rolleyes:
ppps:fact....who needs em,they just get in the way of a good internet forum argument.

[Will0W783]

I have my pair of GTPs and my Emerald in the large vertical Exo-Terra naturalistic terrariums. They are 18"x18"x24" tall, and I have rock-looking backgrounds and an automatic mister. At Julian's advice, I have covered most of the screen tops and they are holding the humidity fairly well. I've seen them kept in quite large enclosures in some cases- but it's important that the enclosure be tall, just not so tall that the animal cannot stretch out and touch the bottom while still clinging to the top perch. Mine are not very active, but I handle them frequently, so they get their exercise out of the cages. Mine are all tame, and easily handled. You can actually find tame ones quite often if you keep your eyes peeled. Before you actually get a GTP, Aaron, I would recommend buying and reading, "The More Complete Chondro" by Greg Maxwell. It's an excellent book and has caging, feeding, breeding, care and purchasing advice, and pretty much everything GTP you'd ever want to know.

[Aaron_S]

Thank you for the information, the both of you.

It's a very long time from now that I would be looking into purchasing a chondro. I don't have the space right now so I'm just picking up information as I go along for the future. I really do need to purchase one eventually.

I am curious though willow, what does having to touch the bottom the enclosure do with anything?

[Squisher]

I am curious though willow, what does having to touch the bottom the enclosure do with anything?

If i may.. My thoughts are that being able to touch the bottom means that when the animal IS on the bottom he can then reach the perch. If he can't reach the bottom while on the perch you would think once the animal is down.. it won't be able to get back up. Again, maybe i'm wrong but that's just my two cents on it.

[Will0W783]

Squisher, that's right. Also GTPs do drink from water bowls, and if you have one that wants live prey, it needs to be able to reach it on the bottom of the cage. The snakes feel most secure when clinging to a branch, but need to be able to drink, hunt, and get down to the ground and back up again without too much trouble.

[McMonty]

I abosuletly love your chondros - I am new to herp world - but is my long term goal to get a pair - maybe in about ten years - I need more experience and more money. Starting with diamond pythons.

I heard that sometimes thay can be blue, but I haven't seen one yet (unless it's like the aqua coloured one in your collection). Anyway it's nice to see some Aussies thriving in Canada - keep looking after them

[shaunyboy]

sigh....i know,those cages are a sore point with me,but i have tried to commision a few people to build me better and proper cages but everyone of them have fallen down and stubbed their little toes....now pass the relish!

ps:proper is not the term...more pleasing to the eye would be more appropriate...cuz if they weren't 'proper' than why oh why do i keep getting babies every year?? just asking.

in this case i'd say basic was a the most appropriate word to use when describing those tanks.....!!!