50 % Het Salmons

[LILCREEP]

i was under the understanding that either your boa is a hypo/salmon or not
if its a normal in the same litter as hypo's/salmon thats all it is normal not 50 % het salmon
can someone clarify this for me thx

[sSNAKESs.com]

50% Chance that it will be a het. If you breed it and it proves to be a het for salmon then it IS a het for salmon, but if it isnt then its a normal. If you buy anything that isnt 100% het then your really taking a gamble.

[LILCREEP]

i thought that the hypo/salmon was An inheritable Co Dominant color mutation. and that the hypo/salmon was the het form

[Linds]

Co-dominant mutations are those that when bred to a normal will produce (in theory) half of said trait, and half normal. Or if two animals of the same mutation are bred together they will produce all of said mutation. There are no hets such as those with simple recessive mutations.

Salmon or hypo is a co-dominant trait, hence you cannot have animals heterozygous for salmon or hypo ;)

[LILCREEP]

the whole reason for this question was i keep seing ads for 50 % het salmons and i thought they were odd
thx linds for the clarification
if im wrong on the genetics say not co dom can someone let me know

[Scales Zoo]

Salmon (hypomelanism) is co-dominant (with boas, not colubrids) which means that het's show salmon, what would normally be homozygous would show as super salmon.

If 2 salmons were bred together 25% of the clutch would be super salmon, 50% would be salmon, and the other 25% would
be normals.

Breeding 2 super salmons would produce all super salmons.

Breeding a super salmon to a salmon, would result in 1/2 super salmons and 1/2 salmons?

Breeding a salmon to a normal snake would produce 1/2 salmons, and 1/2 normals.

I double checked this information with one of the long time breeders of salmons and super salmons from Europe, and he confirmed what I had assumed.

Ryan and Sheila

[BigDan]

Linds and scales hit it right on the button. If the animal is from a salmon to a normal breeding and is normal in coloration that is just what it is. NORMAL nothing else.

I beleive the animals in question were produced from breeding a salmon female to a 100% het for albino male. The normals out of that litter will be 50% poss het for albino. The breeder mistakenly called them 50% poss het for sunglow which may have caused the buyers to assume that they had purchased an animal which could produce salmons. This unfortunately was not the case.

The salmons produced out of that litter were 50% poss het for sunglow (aka albino). The normal colored animals were like I said up top 50% poss het for albino. You have a 50/50 chance that the animal carries the albino gene. The only way you find out is by breeding it to another het or an albino and you get baby albinos. You can then say you have yourself a definate het for albino.

Also the only way you definately know a salmon from a supersalmon is by doing a test breeding as well. A supersalmon bred to a normal colored animal will produce all salmons. You then have yourself a proven supersalmon. Many people say they can tell the difference between a salmon or a supersalmon due to the fact that supers have a more hypo appearance and there markings are further reduced this may be true but Salmons can be very variable in appearance. Some have very little dark coloration others are darker in appearance same goes for the supers. Just ask Rich Ihle the guy who developed the mutation and has done many of these test breedings to grasp how the gene worked. There is an excellant article in Dec or Jan Reptiles mag on the history of the Salmon boa written by Rich himself.

Other co dominant traits in boas are the motley, arabesque and I beleive a striped line was proven co dominant as well last year. (Not Pete Kahl's line which is a simple recessive)

Hopefully I have not confused the issue even more.

Take care.

Dan.