New D'Albert's White-lipped Python Pair

[Will0W783]

Hi everyone! I just got a breedable pair of white-lipped pythons, the northern golden phase. They are absolutely stunning animals. The male is around 3 feet and the female about 2.5 feet or so. The male is lighter golden while the female is a dark bronze. The male, Merlin, is very friendly and docile and I can even pet his head and throat. The female, Raven, however, puts up a violent fight to get her out of the tank, and has tagged my middle finger nicely. Once she is out she is handleable, but will snap if you get near her head or move in front of her. Has anyone had this type of python? If so, how did you calm them down, and any advice on them? Right now they are in a 20-gal long tank with jungle floor bedding and a big fake rock hide and vines to climb on. They curl up together under the hide and seem to enjoy each other so I didn't separate them. I mist them 2-3 times a day to keep the humidity up but not overly high. The cool side of the tank sits around 86 at the high point of the day and the basking side gets up around 90. During the night it drops to 78 in the room.

[crystalc]

some snakes will just breed, however there are many instances that a pair that has gotten comfortable with each other will not breed and you will have to seperate them and then reintroduce them. i dont know when their breeding season is on that particular breed. as far as calming them down just put the time in with em. when u say u "just" got them, how soon do u mean and were they shipped or bought from a store or breeder? i have 2 rosey boas and the shipping really freaked out my female and she would strike when trying to get her out of the cage but after about 3 days of letting her calm down i didnt have any trouble.

[Aaron_S]

I wouldn't consider them a "breedable" pair if they are still 3 feet and under. Those snakes obtain a size of at least 6 feet on average. They aren't a small python species. Also I would go ahead and seperate them if you ever want them to breed. They don't care for the company of one another they both just know where the "sweet spot" is. Otherwise I am unsure of their temp needs/humidity. I do know they tend to be an aggressive species and taming them would take a lot of work.

[Will0W783]

Ok, thanks for the advice. I just bought them on Saturday at the Hamburg reptile show. I will separate them. I know they get large and it will be at least a year before they will breed, but they are unrelated so they will be breedable when they reach adulthood. Right now they are sub-adult. The female seems to be calming a little bit- once she is out of the cage she will relax but I still don't trust her. I think with careful handling and lots of work she will tame, hopefully. I do know they tend to be aggressive snakes, so if she doesn't tame I won't be upset.

[siz]

Lucky you!! The White Lipped Python is at the very top of my snake list!
I don't have one [YET] but as Aaron said they do tend to be quite and aggressive species and some do not tame down. Be thankful you have a friendly male!
You MUST post pictures!

[Will0W783]

OK, here is a picture of the male, Merlin, on my hand as I was deciding to buy him at the reptile show. He is actually lighter than he looks in the photo- a gorgeous metallic olive bronze. He and Raven (the girl) have incredible iridescence- I daresay more even than my Peruvian rainbow boa! Raven is much darker than Merlin. I held her last night with only a slight fight to get her out and then she was good on my arm, and didn't want to go back in. Merlin is so cool with everything- I feel very lucky to have them both!

[siz]

I am SOOOO JEALOUS. If you ever, you know, need to give them away....;) hahah
Seems like you have an interesting collection of snakes. Can you tell me more about your Peruvian Rainbow Boa? I have been learning a bit about rainbow boas other than your typical (but still gorgeous!) Brazillians. Do they have pattern and do they retain it through adulthood?

[Will0W783]

My PRB is more brilliant than most BRBs I've seen. He is bright brick red with orange circles outlined in black on top. His side markings are the same as the BRB but the crescent is slightly more closed. His iridescence is astounding. I got him from Ben Seigel, who I've heard a lot of good things about, and I can vouch for great service from him. He is also a great size (3 feet or so) for a yearling and a good eater, although you have to "fight" him for the f/t or he loses interest and won't swallow. I dare say I like him better than the Brazilians. If you want to check out my collection (Dont have the white-lips or the new albino hondo up there yet) check out Carter's Critters - Home (http://www.carterscritters.weebly.com) and go to the "Our Collection" page. All the snakes are friendly except the little sand boa- he's a *******..lol

[Will0W783]

Our Collection - Carter's Critters (http://carterscritters.weebly.com/our-collection.html)

There's the direct link to the page with all the pics of the snakes my fiance and I own. :)

[Kmef07]

I can't tell all the way but i think what you have is a Brazilian. The difference between Peruvians and brazilians is that the peruvians are lighter in color and aren't as bold but have very very bold thick black where the brazilians have a thinner stripe and have more red to them. again im no expert but i've never seen a peruvian until you mentioned it and i googled and that is what im seeing and what people are saying the difference is. because i have a brazilian and your snake looks dead on mine. like 100% the same. and there is no difference in the crescents between the peruvians and the brazilians. the brazilians i know for a fact can have fully closed crescents and also fully open crescents.

[Will0W783]

Ok, I was just going by what I could see as the difference (I used to have a Brazilian) and some stuff I had read. But what I have is definitely a Peruvian Rainbow Boa. I got him from Ben Seigel and he wouldn't lie about it. I had asked him what the difference was and he said primarily just that the Peruvians are brighter and tend to have more iridescence. I read somewhere about the crescents being different, but for the life of me can't remember where. So I will go by your descriptions, Kmef07, because I know you know a lot about BRBs, but I can assure you that mine is indeed a Peruvian.

[Kmef07]

no defiantly am not claiming to know a lot about either species i have not had my for a year yet even i just do a lot of research on different snakes because i am very interested in them and i dunno the peruvians i saw on the google search were a lot lighter and not as red and orange. but the peruvians did seem to be brighter. they are really pretty i love the big bold solid black. but it's weird how much they look alike!! like literally if you search for my posts you will see pics of mine and they look dead on. lol

[Will0W783]

I will do that. Yeah, Ben told me they were similar. I love mine...he looks like abstract art, hence his name. I do quite a bit of research on all the snakes I have and want to have. I did buy 1.1 D'Alberts' pythons before doing a lot of research at a show last weekend because they were really an amazing deal and are both handleable. But I researched them extensively all afternoon and night to get their enclosure right. Reading all you can can only help! Snakes are such fascinating, beautiful creatures!

[Kmef07]

ya i've been reading up on every boa species i have been able to find because that is what i want to focus on is breeding new types and morphs of boas. im so bored of balls really and hoping that boas will be the next big thing. trying to find a way to breed dwarf boas with some cool morphs to make them a little smaller and create a market. some people are trying it already and supposedly having good luck with the project.

[Will0W783]

Cool! Sounds like a neat project. I plan to breed carpets as soon as some of mine are old enough.

[Will0W783]

Update on the white-lippeds. I tried separating them and put each in its own 20-gallon tank with hide and vines and water bowl, but they kept going over to the sides close to each other and kept trying to reach each other through the glass like long-lost lovers...lol. I felt bad for them so I put them back together and they immediately curled up together with their heads resting on each others' coils. I guess I will keep them together for now. They are both small enough to fit comfortably in a 20-long together, so until they outgrow that they can stay together. Anyone else ever have an experience with snakes looking for each other like that? I didn't know they were capable of such displays of affection....

[Aaron_S]

I didn't know they were capable of such displays of affection....

Simply put it's because they aren't. Where were their hot spots? Maybe that is the reason they both went to the same side? You never stated you left them alone for longer than what seems a mere few hours at most. Again they only coil around one another because it's the prime spot to be.

[Will0W783]

Ah, well maybe that is it then. The temps in the cage are around 82-85 on the cool end and 90-92 on the hot end, measured with a digital temp gun. They seem to alternate between ends depending on the time of day. I will separate them when they grow out of the tank they are currently in, or if I see any signs of aggression.

[ethanpage]

hi
i will like to know if your snake is still available and if so please provide me with more information on the snake
i have always dream t to having a snake and now my dream is about to come true

[Will0W783]

Ethanpage, neither of the snakes are available- I just got them as a breeding pair and also pets.

[Will0W783]

I don't have any snakes for sale right now....might have some house snake hatchlings in a few months if any of the massive amounts of copulation going on in that cage is successful.....lol...it's like snake orgy in there...

[Kmef07]

wow we really need the panda in this forum. old ladies talking about balls. you talking about orgies and everything else going on lately it's just CRAZY!!!!!

[Chu'Wuti]

Hey, Kyle--females really bring this place to life, don't they?! ;)

[Will0W783]

Hope I didn't offend the fellows...

[siz]

Haha, we outnumber them - they better learn to like it ;)

Just playing, guys! :)

[Chu'Wuti]

Willow, don't worry at all about offending these guys! :) They're tough, they can take it!

old ladies talking about balls Kyle, you'd better not be calling me old! I've decided I won't be "old" until the day I die! ;)

[Will0W783]

LOL. That's the spirit! I'm 25, but I figure with the number of baby snakes I have, I'll be 60 or older before they all go! I will never get "old" either, Chu- live young 'til the day I die! I imagine I'll be some wrinkled 80-something driving around in a Corvette with snakes hanging off my shoulders..lol

[siz]

I'll take that over being a crazy cat lady any day :D

[Will0W783]

Yeah, but kitties are great too. I have three Bengals and I love them. They are my kids. Bengals are awesome cats but they get into everything!

[Kmef07]

I HATE CATS!!!!!!

and no chu not calling you old but my grandma does say the same thing that she won't be old till she dies. she didn't start saying that, according to my dad, until she got old. lol

[Will0W783]

Awww, kitties are great. I love my cats even though they are slowly bringing the house down around my ears- I pulled one out of the ductwork the other day. Little buggers tore off the AC access panel in the basement and were running around through the central air system...lol.
But snakes are much less destructive and quieter and less expensive to care for.

[Chu'Wuti]

I'll be some wrinkled 80-something driving around in a Corvette with snakes hanging off my shoulders..

All riiight! I'll be racing you in my green Bimmer! YES!

And Kyle, I don't love your dad anymore. Hmmmph. Just you wait until you're MY age--then I'll ask you whether you feel "old." We'll see how you're talkin' then!

[Kmef07]

shoot many years of baseball and football and soccer and basketball have taken their toll already. my whole body feels like it has been breaking down ever since i turned 20 lol

[Kmef07]

How To Wash A Cat
1. Thoroughly clean the toilet.

2. Add the required amount of shampoo to the toilet water, and have both lids lifted.

3. Obtain the cat and soothe him while you carry him towards the bathroom.

4. In one smooth movement, put the cat in the toilet and close both lids (you may need to stand on the lid so that he cannot escape). CAUTION: Do not get any part of your body too close to the edge, as his paws will be reaching out for any purchase they can find.

5. Flush the toilet three or four times. This provides a "power wash and rinse" which I have found to be quite effective.

6. Have someone open the door to the outside and ensure that there are no people between the toilet and the outside door.

7. Stand behind the toilet as far as you can, and quickly lift both lids.

8. The now-clean cat will rocket out of the toilet, and run outside where he will dry himself.

Sincerely,
The DOG



I love this joke!!!! and this is what i would do if i had a cat. they are the only animals i really don't like at all.

[Will0W783]

Yeah, they can be a pain to wash..lol. Giving cats a bath is taking your life in your hands...
I don't think there is an animal I really just don't like. I'm a total animal person. I have tarantulas and scorpions and all. Well, I take that back- I can't stand crickets- I hate getting them for my frogs- they are smushy, they smell like piss and warm rotten guts, they climb on each other and friggin' crush each other and then the gut/piss smell gets worse- and they just swarm and mill about and they are squirmy. Ugh.

[siz]

I hate crickets more than ANYTHING. I have 5 bearded dragons and a chameleon AND two geckos who all eat them! (And the dragons pack 'em away like no other!) Fortunatley I get them from a breeder not a pet store so they aren't ALL that bad, no stink, they don't constantly die on you, but MAN do they ever chrip at night!...and often during the day as well. I wish I had a roach colony.....

[Will0W783]

I just buy a few dozen each week and divide them up among the frogs, geckos, scorpion and tarantula so they don't last long enough to really annoy me with chirping. I cant stand to raise them- disgusting smelly little buggers. lol. I'm really pathetic- scorpion doesn't bother me, neither does the tarantula or even the cockroaches I feed my frilled dragon- just the icky crickets.

[Chu'Wuti]

OK, so clearly you all need to start breeding cockroaches for your insectivores! I hear they make no noise, they don't smell, and they're very nutritious. What more do you want? ;)

[siz]

NO not cockroaches!!!!! PESTS!!! There are a few different species which don't climb glass, fly, and die in the cold. Those are the ones to get (Dubia roaches are apparently the best). I don't think my family would appreciate a roach colony in the house however; although they are a lot less annoying, haha.
Haha, I know what you're saying Willow; I'll handle all kinds of bugs but the crickets creep me out when they are fully grown. :P
I buy my crickets by the 1000s!! I used to go get 'em from a store but the quality is much less than those from a breeder - and I get them delivered to my door :)

[Will0W783]

Chu, I actually have a Dubia blaptica roach colony. I like them - they're neat, they don't smell, they don't chirp and they actually intrigue me- amazingly hardy little buggers. But my geckos are too small to eat them so they go to my frilled dragon. The frogs and the geckos still get the nasty icky crickets. lol.

[siz]

Are they easy to care for?

[Will0W783]

Yeah, they are a cinch. We have them in a 5-gallon bucket and just cut a potato in half and give it to them every couple of weeks. They get their water and nutrients from the potato and breed and grow like crazy. They're the easiest things I've ever cared for and cheap.

[Aaron_S]

Not to sound like a jerk but you may want to try feeding the roachs other food items as well. Don't forget that what goes into your feeders also goes into your reptiles.

[Will0W783]

Sure, what would you suggest Aaron? Any suggestions are appreciated :)

[bagus]

@Will0W783 : are your white lipped python like this kind ???

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt131/bagus_batura/LiasisAlbertisi.jpg

this is White Lipped python-Black pattern,Southern Papua,I was kept this a year ago.male.

[Will0W783]

Pretty much- the body's of mine are a bit lighter. The female is quite similar to that but a bit more olive. The male's body is a vibrant bronze. Beautiful snake you have there!

[bagus]

Pretty much- the body's of mine are a bit lighter. The female is quite similar to that but a bit more olive. The male's body is a vibrant bronze. Beautiful snake you have there!

I guess,as yours is Gold-White Lipped Python,Northern.CMIIW.
Very nice snakes too,Will. :lol.