red boa?

[viper99]

i might be getting getting a boa from a breeder in december/janurary and they said its a red boa i thought it might be a red tailed boa but the persson said it was a red boa. anyone know if there is a red boa or what kind they mean? im going to see it in a couple of weeks once it is born and is eating

[CHRIS]

My guess when he sent you the email is that he forgot to put in the word [TAIL] in his reply to you ,I am thinking he is meaning Colombian red tailed boa's
Chris

[viper99]

it was over the phone and hes only breeding a couple of boas

[redtails]

There are such things as red boas, he either meant redtail like Chris said, or something like a Red Group boa. These boas are actually a shade of red.

[redtails]

It's most likely just a common redtail boa like a columbian BCI, but who knows until you can get a pic of the parents at least.

[viper99]

how big do the red boas get and were can i find a care sheet on them?

[RIBBIT]

the red boas red tail was talking about are just like blood boas there normal bci just red and there 6 - 8 sometimes bigger by a 2 -3 feet

[gonesnakee]

I'm with the it was meant to be "redtail" crowd, but there are Amazon Tree Boas that are red. There are also a type of Nicarauguan (sp?) Boa that are Red. Others such as BCC & BCI can have pinkish hues, but aren't really considered red. Mark
P.S. some Rosy Boas etc. can be considered red too I guess

[viper99]

the breeder said that the boa stayed under 6feet.

[RIBBIT]

amazons and like i told you roses are the only reds I know that can stay under 6

[PDXErik]

First, it sounds like there are a LOT of questions about what you're looking at getting.

Have they sent you pictures? Are you thinking of buying something sight unseen and knowing very little about what you're getting?

Always presume that someone is passing something off.

[viper99]

im doing alot of reserch and im probably going to see the adults somtime today or tommorow and ya i got a couple of geckoes of of someone they told me they were leopards and they turned out to be somthing tottaly differnt so im going to get a couple pics of them and go see the aduts before i buy them.

[PDXErik]

That's really cool. The red didn't show up on my laptop, but it does on the CRT I'm looking at. I'm hoping that's not a lighting/camera color problem. If it's really red like that, oh my, how cool is that?

[redtails]

well, I've seen better photos, but it only lets you upload 24.4kb photos & the red suri I wanted to post was like 50kb.

[Boots Hawks]

I have two Hyper Reds from EBV in Oakland. Both of mine are only about 6 mo old. I guess you can say they are a lot like the Salmon Group, but more red instead of Salmon. The older they get the redder they become.. After I saw the Mom, I had to have one, that turned into two. Anyways, they have been selective breeding the snakes for a while. They are normal RTB but they have held out the ones with the most red and use them as breeders. Lots of times they are born looking almost like normal Boas but as they age they show more red. I have been to reptile shows and every now and then you find the ones that are normal boas but have red to them. I guess if you took these and bred them over and then the next generation and the next you isolate the redder snake genes and you get a red boa. Mighty nice snake.
I think you should ask to at least see pics of mom and dad. like I said though, they are normal boas except for color and will grow to that size, that is not under 6 foot.

Boots
Boots

[gonesnakee]

I have two Hyper Reds from EBV in Oakland. Both of mine are only about 6 mo old. I guess you can say they are a lot like the Salmon Group, but more red instead of Salmon. Are you sure they are not "Hypo" instead of hyper. "Hypo" boas are "Salmon" boas BTW ;) and are always far more red than regulars because all the melain (black pigments) are washed out making everything redder. Thought I'd point that out, not to say yours are, but some folks do confuse the issue. There are of course some regulars that are redder tham others of course. Mark

[redtails]

Well, hypo means reduced & hyper means more of it, so when referring to melanin like you were saying it would be a hypo but with red it would be hyper. Hypererythristic I believe...

[viper99]

im not getting the boa turns out the adults get 12+ft instead im getting a ball at a expo nov 18

[PDXErik]

im not getting the boa turns out the adults get 12+ft instead im getting a ball at a expo nov 18

That's how I feel about burms and retics. Beautiful snakes. I don't want to have to give a burm rent money, though. Never be able to collect rent money, "You want what, when?? I think my dinner is due."

[Boots Hawks]

My mistake, I have the receipt in front of me and it says Hypo Red Group. So are you telling me that this is a salmon. Because I have two nice salmons and the hypo reds are a darker red than the salmon. Talking with the owner of EBV in oakland he explained it to me the way I said by selective breeding the regular RT boas with more red in them then they eventually get this color. In fact if you go to the web sight of I think it is Salmon boas, the breeder their has a couple of baby boas that he got from a salmon and one of the Hypos from EBV. He did a trade for it with EBV. I don't know it is confussing to me. It was like I said before, going to reptile shows, every once in a while you run into these boas that are more of a red color. I know I was looking at six babies in Sacramento a month or so back and one was sort of like a salmon, but the tail was like a regular redtail boa's and not the salmon color. They told me they were all from the same mom. So what they are telling me at EBV is that these are not salmons but like I said. I don't know a whole lot and have lots to learn, all I know is that they sure are pretty. I have seen adult salmons, and I saw an adult Hypo Red at EBV and they are a lot redder than salmons. But please tell me more about this, I am always willing to learn. I do appreciate you taking the time to explain things to me. I find it extremely interesting. I really listen up when people talk about this stuff, and I am full of questions.

Anyways, here is the web site that has the listing for the Salmon bred with a Red group ,as I have, that they do not call a salmon, but in fact say it is not a salmon. This breder on this site also calls it EBV Red Group, but he did not say Hypo or Hyper, that is just what they call them at EBV.

Salmon Boa Rich Ihle (http://www.salmonboa.com/boa_07Salmons_1.htm)

The Snakes listing is 07_PCABY.6M ... take a look and tell me what you think. I guess I will make that 60 mile drive over to EBV tomarrow to find out if I was taken and sold a salmon. Not that anything is wrong with a salmon, they are mighty nice animals, but if I wanted a salmon I would have asked for a salmon.

Here is the web site for EBV and pictures of their Hypo Red Group.

EBV Gallery - "Red Group" Colombian Boa (http://www.eastbayvivarium.com/gallery/snakesgallery/redcolumbian.html)

Boots H.

[ToddBecker]

I have to agree with boots hawk here. Red boas are just selectively breed normals. There really isn't genetics to it just breeding in a specific trait trying to increase the chances of the offspring to look like the desired snake. Breding redder adults together "should" increase the odds of producing red adults. Kind of like green tree pythons. Color variations in chondros are not genetic however the signature names in GTP breeding have been able to consistantly produce more blue and more mustard and canary yellow babies (meaning they turn the blue or yellow after their color change at about two years of age) by selectively breeding parents that highlight the trait they are seeking.
One correction to Gonesnakee, Salmon boas are Hypos but not all hypos are salmon. A typical Hypo has limited melanin and it creates a washed out coloration and typically a slight pinkish hugh. A salmon Hypo also has a limit of melanin but the overall coloration is more oranger then pinkish and the colors tend to get better with age rather then darken and wash out as most "normal" hypos do. Hope this makes sense and helps a little. Todd