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geckomom
05-20-07, 11:02 PM
These are pretty basic questions, but with all the knowledge on this board, i was hoping someone could give me some pointers.

- are mealworms better cultured in an opaque container or clear?

- (this sounds really dumb). are regular "clean-ups" desirable? that is, cleaning out all the shed skins, adult carcasses, worms that have died, etc. if so, is it just a matter of sifting thru the culture and pulling out all the "garbage", or is there a more efficient way to keep the culture clean?

- another clean-up question: when starting a new culture, it's filled up with gutload and whatever's used for moisture (i use pieces of apples, carrots, sometimes commercial products, pieces of potato, etc.). after a while, obviously, the gutload becomes fouled with the excrement of the culture. what the HECK do i do about that? i've tried screening the contents of the culture with a very small gauge screen, hoping the excrement would mostly fall out, and then i could just add more gutload, but i notice i'm losing some very small mealworms, and i also worry how many eggs i'm losing at the same time, because i can't even see them. HELP!

- do cultures eventually "die down" and need the addition of new mealworms, or the beginning of a whole new culture, to keep them going healthy? mine seems to be slowed down on the production of new mealies, and i was wondering if, since i haven't added any new ones (didn't have to, they were going great), they were just "bred out", since i've been using the same "pool" of worms to breed from. i've heard it's good to get one culture going til it's enough to sustain the animals, then start another one, so there's always a newer one going if the older one starts dying out. is that the best idea?

- i use more or less "homemade" gutload. i use a couple different commercially available gutloads as a base, then add oatmeal, flake fish food, and several other types of grain-type products which have been recommended to me over the years. does anyone have a really nutritious (both for the mealies, but especially for the geckos) home-made gutload recipe?

- sometimes i use a commercial product for moisture - i'm sorry, i can't remember the name of it, i think it's something like "cricket quencher". it's not the gel-like lumps that come in jars, it comes in boxes, is individually wrapped in little rectangles, and is greenish in color. the mealies seem to love it, just wondering if anyone had any opinions, or should i stick with fresh produce?

i think that's all the dumb questions i have for now. much thanks to anyone who attempts to set me straight, and my geckos (Morrigan, Aoife, Niamh, Grian, Ciar, Sorcha, and Ceadghan) all thank you very, very much!

bobbie

PS: i know it sounds like i have a lot of geckos, but they're in a 75 gal aquarium, with three distinct temperature zones, three humid hides (1 in each temp zone), and many, many rock and wood hides. the substrate is ceramic tile (which i love because it seems to distribute heat consistently and makes cleaning much easier, and doesn't give me worries about impaction).

Ameivaboy
05-22-07, 02:56 AM
my mealworm gutload:


mostly chick starter (dirt cheap and available at feed stores)
ground up oatmeal
fish flakes
ground up rodent blocks
mix some claci/vitamin powder in
moisture is carrots and occasionally romaine lettuce

I use the same for king mealworms and roaches but they both get more fruits and veggies as well.

RatWerx
05-24-07, 01:53 PM
First off, you are making this far more complicated for yourself then you need to... but here's the answer to your various questions.

- are mealworms better cultured in an opaque container or clear?

I keep mine in translucent plastic drawers. Walmart sells them for around $10 each and they seem to work fine.


- (this sounds really dumb). are regular "clean-ups" desirable? that is, cleaning out all the shed skins, adult carcasses, worms that have died, etc. if so, is it just a matter of sifting thru the culture and pulling out all the "garbage", or is there a more efficient way to keep the culture clean?

I generally clean the colonies out about once every other month or so... sometimes more... sometimes less. Just depends on how they look. I just pick out whatever worms and beetles and pupae I see and then set the old container aside for a few weeks and add a bit of the cricket gel that you see in pet stores. That gives any small mealworms I've missed a chance to grow up. After I've picked through it a second time, I toss out the old stuff.
I'll pick out the dead ones if I see them as I give them the carrots and such.

- another clean-up question: when starting a new culture, it's filled up with gutload and whatever's used for moisture (i use pieces of apples, carrots, sometimes commercial products, pieces of potato, etc.). after a while, obviously, the gutload becomes fouled with the excrement of the culture. what the HECK do i do about that? i've tried screening the contents of the culture with a very small gauge screen, hoping the excrement would mostly fall out, and then i could just add more gutload, but i notice i'm losing some very small mealworms, and i also worry how many eggs i'm losing at the same time, because i can't even see them. HELP!

As I said... pick out all the mealworms, beetles, and pupae you can see and then set the old bin aside for a few weeks. That will give anything you've missed a chance to grow and you can pick them out later.


- do cultures eventually "die down" and need the addition of new mealworms, or the beginning of a whole new culture, to keep them going healthy? mine seems to be slowed down on the production of new mealies, and i was wondering if, since i haven't added any new ones (didn't have to, they were going great), they were just "bred out", since i've been using the same "pool" of worms to breed from. i've heard it's good to get one culture going til it's enough to sustain the animals, then start another one, so there's always a newer one going if the older one starts dying out. is that the best idea?

I haven't experienced this myself, but then when I go to the pet store, I'll pick up a few hundred mealies every so often and throw them in. Sometimes I'll trade a rat or two for a good sized mealworm colony. Sorry, guess I'm not much help on this one. LOL!


- i use more or less "homemade" gutload. i use a couple different commercially available gutloads as a base, then add oatmeal, flake fish food, and several other types of grain-type products which have been recommended to me over the years. does anyone have a really nutritious (both for the mealies, but especially for the geckos) home-made gutload recipe?

I use layer hen mash, oatmeal, bran flakes, some of that "9 grain" oatmeal type cereal, fish flakes, and some of the crushed dog food that's always at the bottom of the bag that the dogs won't eat for some reason that dog only knows! Sounds like you've got a pretty good mixture already. If your worms are nice and big and fat, then you're doing something right. ;)


- sometimes i use a commercial product for moisture - i'm sorry, i can't remember the name of it, i think it's something like "cricket quencher". it's not the gel-like lumps that come in jars, it comes in boxes, is individually wrapped in little rectangles, and is greenish in color. the mealies seem to love it, just wondering if anyone had any opinions, or should i stick with fresh produce?

I'm not familiar with the product you described, but I use cricket gut-loading gel through the summer and also provide fresh fruits and veggies. Personally, I'd do a combo of both, but it's up to you.


i think that's all the dumb questions i have for now. much thanks to anyone who attempts to set me straight, and my geckos (Morrigan, Aoife, Niamh, Grian, Ciar, Sorcha, and Ceadghan) all thank you very, very much!

There is NO such thing as a dumb question! Well, okay, there ARE dumb questions, but THESE ones aren't dumb! ;)


PS: i know it sounds like i have a lot of geckos, but they're in a 75 gal aquarium, with three distinct temperature zones, three humid hides (1 in each temp zone), and many, many rock and wood hides. the substrate is ceramic tile (which i love because it seems to distribute heat consistently and makes cleaning much easier, and doesn't give me worries about impaction).

Sounds like those geckos are spoiled! Good for you for taking such awesome care of your critters! I wish more reptile owners were like you!
Don't worry so much about your mealworms. From what I can tell, it sounds like you're doing a lot more than most people do and probably a bit too much. Relax and don't fret too much about them. Just make sure you clean them out every so often, and give them some fresh veggies and fruits (or gel) and you'll do fine! :)

geckomom
06-01-07, 07:13 AM
Many thanks to both of you for your answers, they're all very helpful. I'm going to add a few of both of your suggestions to my gutload; I figure every little bit helps, and the commercial gutload from the pet stores does get pretty expensive, as i have a pretty large culture and I have to buy LOTS of jars, boxes, etc., of commercial gutload to keep the mealies in food.

I love the suggestion about picking out beetles, pupae and visible mealies and saving the old culture so the small mealies can grow. I'm sure going to start that, as it seems much less complicated than what I'm doing now.

I also get a few hundred new mealies every once in a while, so I guess I do get some "new blood" in the culture, too.

I had started to think I was spending more time tending my mealworm culture than I was spendinding on my gex, which certainly was NOT my intention when I got my geckos a few years ago. The suggestions both of you were kind enough to take the time to give me will simplify keeping my culture going with much less time and effort, and still keep the mealies healthy and well gutloaded to keep my geckos healthy and happy!

Thanks again for the good advice!

bobbie

RatWerx
06-01-07, 10:12 AM
When you are spending more time with your mealworms and less time with the lizards those mealworms are supposed to be feeding, there's something wrong. Also, are you just feeding mealworms, or are you giving your geckos other insects as well? Try adding some hornworms, silkworms, crickets, and roaches to your geckos diet. Each insect has some different nutrients which will benefit your gecko.
B.

geckomom
06-01-07, 10:22 AM
you're right about spending time on cultures rather than geckos, but i do spend a lot of time with my geckos - they're all very friendly and easy to handle, and of course i do frequent cleanings and rearrange the cage furniture every once in a while.

they also get silkworms (when i can get them), but they won't eat hornworms, i've tried butterworms but they won't eat them either. they do get crickets and occasionally waxworms as a treat.

never tried roaches - no idea where to get them. online or at a reptile swap? we do have a swap in the area, i could try there, but i'm guessing they have to be fairly small roaches so they're not too big for the geckos to eat?

bobbie

RatWerx
06-01-07, 01:46 PM
Many people feed lobster roaches to their geckos. They are about the same size as crickets, but a LOT more nutritious for your geckos. I'd check at your local reptile sale and ask around. Chances are that someone in your area is breeding them and could sell a starter colony to you. They are REALLY easy to breed and most geckos seem to love them.
You could also check out blaberus.com (I think that's the site) and see if they will ship to your area.
B.

geckomom
06-01-07, 02:00 PM
thanks, RatWerx! will definitely try both options.

bobbie