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roocat71
04-06-06, 09:40 AM
As many of you know Tanzania hasn’t issued any export permits for 2006. Many different species that are available in the chameleon trade come from this country, more specifically several different species of leaf chameleons. In fact, the vast majority of the leaf chameleons you see for sale come from Tanzania.

There is an awfully good chance that export licenses will not be issued this year and possibly never again or for some time.

Being predominately a leaf chameleon keeper, this disturbs me quite a bit and on a few different levels. One being that I won’t be able to replenish my breeding groups with fresh blood and/or replace deceased chameleons. The other is the fact that as a community we currently don’t have a solid captive bred population like we see with veileds and panthers and yet keepers are purchasing leaf chameleons left and right.

I am not implying that keepers/breeders should start setting up large breeding groups of leaf chameleons in order to build up a captive population to equal what we see with veileds and panthers. That would obviously be costly and there is really no real profit in leaf chameleons from what I can see (which is probably the main reason why we don’t see a lot of CB pygmies). All boils down to money folks.

What I am asking is that keepers who have kept them in the past and keepers who have a good working knowledge of chameleons (experienced) that are somewhat interested in these species take up a small group of them. If we get enough SERIOUS keepers working with small groups then we just may be able to keep one another going with these species.

Of course we won’t be able to satiate the small demand for them, but I’m not interested in providing pygmies for the impulse buyers, newbies, etc. – I’m more interested in serious keepers like myself who love all things pygmy and want to keep their hobby going.

The two species that I suggest:

R. brevicaudatus
R. temporalis

If you are mulling this over, don’t forget one of the cooler aspects of keeping pygmy chameleons … their enclosures. Others may disagree, but IMO you certainly can get much more creative with a pygmy enclosure then you can with a true chameleon one.

It’s also important that they are wild caught specimens and not captive bred. There are only a couple breeders offering CB pygmies – one being myself, and I wouldn’t want to acquire any F2 offspring from my groups for obvious reasons.

The other side of the coin is the true chameleons. I don’t currently work with any true chameleons indigenous to Tanzania, but it would be a shame to burn that bridge for any future interests. So this is obviously an issue for many keepers.

Even if Tanzania decides to issue permits, some day the importation of chameleons will stop and I suspect that day may be sooner then later.

So this is my call to arms for the sake of the hobby.

-roo

galad
04-06-06, 06:15 PM
Well roo you have just about convinced me to go out and buy those leaf chams at the local pet shops. Two shops in our city have them and they are going for about 45 to 49 bucks each. Iv been mulling it over for the last week and it seems i should have stuck with my first gut instinct to buy them.

I am currently housing a pair of panthers, and satanic leaf tails.

Ive heard different things on uvb for these guys. SOme say its not necessary, but i would rather be safe then sorry. Any comments on that?

Also how are the males together? I would like to get a group of 1.2 or 1.3 but that all depends on the sex of the ones that are in. If there is more then one male could they go together?

What do you recomend for temps for these guys. I know they like it cool but whats too cool and whats too hot?

roocat71
04-06-06, 08:17 PM
I’ve offered a UV source since day one. I would go with a 2.0 bulb since the chams can get pretty close to it and the 5.0’s can burn plants such as a palm.

Males can be pretty tough on one another and it can get physical but usually one will beat feet out of there. I keep 2 males in my 50g and they eventually define territories – at least it seems like that. You just have too keep an eye on them but no more then one in a smaller enclosure (under 50g).

R. brev definitely enjoy a little heat during the cooler months so I offer a 40w heat source for a few hours in the morning. Area gets to be around 80F but the rest of the tank should be in the low to mid 70’s(F). Too hot would be over 80, but I’ve seen them tolerate 87F but I highly suggest avoiding that. They can handle really cool temps down into the high 40’s from my observations. The ten degree drop in temps apply with them and the warmer the day the lower the night temps should be.


-roo

galad
04-06-06, 09:27 PM
Awsome thanks for the quick reply!

My room mate also thinks i should go for it so i think im going to.
Hopefully they are all still there by the time i get money.

Also they had a pair of carpet chameleons at the shop wc's. But i hear they are not the hardiest of the chameleon world. Any thoughts on that?

roocat71
04-07-06, 11:37 AM
I have a couple lats and they are easier to take care of then my veiled. You know how all chams are different no matter what the species. My lats are CB though which probably makes a world of difference compared to wc. I guess they are considered an intermediate species, prone to screen climbing, good eaters/dont get fat, suseptable to URI’s – according to Adcham.com.

-roo