Vivaria idea

[-okapi-]

I plan on making a shoreline vivarium for my bull frog (Rana Catesbeiana) out of a 55 gallon aquarium. I plan on having two thirds of it water, and one third land. Heres how i plan on doing it:
First i plan on putting down an undergravel filter. Then i plan on laying down a layer of pea sized gravel, about 2-3 inches thick. On top of that i plan on having a rising layer of larger river rock that will create my land area. Half way up i will have a piece of driftwood to keep the bank stable and to plant java ferns (Microsorium Pteropus) on. At the top of the land area i will use a half stump to hide a filter. Opposite of that (the front side of the land area) i will have a log-like piece of drift wood. Around the land area i will plant Acorus Gramineus. In the shallow area of the water above the java fern i plan on planting a Nymphoids Aquatica. In the shallows i also plan on growing some java moss (Vesicularia Dubyana) on the rocks. Where the slope stops i will plant an Anubias Nana, and some Echinodorus Tenellus. In the far back corner of the aquatic part i plan on planting some Ludwigia Glandulosa. Between this and the Anubias i will have Bacopa Caroliniana and some Vallisneria Tortifolia. Along the tank's side on the deep end i will have some Elodea Densa. In front of the Ludwigia i plan on having an Aponogeton Crispus. In the shallowest part of the water i plan on planting a Spathiphyllum Wallisii. Floating in the water i plan on having some Duckweed (Lemna Minor).
Heres a picture i drew in paint:
frog
In the water i plan on having 3 fish species:
1.2+ swordtail (Xiphophorus Helleri)
0.0.12 Guppy (Poecilia Reticulata)
0.0.3 Corys (Corydoras spp.)
The swords, corys, and guppies will produce ammonia and CO2. The ammonia will feed the "good" bacteria, which will produce more CO2 and Nitrates. The plants will utilize these as a source of nutrients. The corys will also help by keeping the substrate free of debris.

When i set up the aquarium, if i plant it heavily, add the fish (all 3 species are very hardy), and add some good bacteria from a filter from another tank, then the aquarium should stablize quickly. Then after about 2 months, the plants roots should be spread enought that i can add my frog. If i put in the frog too soon, all the plants will be bulldozed as the frog swims around.

Now for the questions:

What kind of lights should i use in the tank to keep the plants alive?

I plan on hooking up a power filter to the undergravel filter (basically the same idea as a powerhead), with the power filter above the land area behind the stump, hooked up to the the undergravel filter plate on the deep end via a 4 ft long tube that goes along the bottem of the tank, under the gravel, then makes a 90 degree turn up to the power filter's intake. Will this idea work? Or is it too strong of a suction to give the bacteria time to work on the ammonia and wastes? Also what kind of a power filter should i use? (like a normal 55 gallon powerfilter or something smaller?)

Should i use a CO2 bubbler, or do you think the fish, frog, and bacteria will produce enough CO2 during the day?

Thanks in advance!

[-okapi-]

Plant picture links:

Anubias Nana http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?siteid=26&pCatId=815
Acorus Gramineus http://www.floridata.com/ref/A/acor_gra.cfm
Aponogeton Crispus http://www.aquariumlandscapes.net/aquarium-plants/Aponogeton-crispus.cfm
Bacopa Caroliniana http://www.azgardens.com/images/2bunch3.jpg
Echinodorus Tenellus http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?pCatId=828
Elodea Densa http://www.aquahobby.com/garden/e_egeria.php
Lemna Minor http://www.plant-identification.co.uk/skye/lemnaceae/lemna-minor.htm
Ludwigia Glandulosa http://www.aquahobby.com/garden/e_Ludwigia_glandulosa.php
Microsorium Pteropus http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?pCatId=800
Nymphoides Aquatica http://www.azgardens.com/images/6root7.jpg
Spathiphyllum Wallisii http://www.tropica.com/productcard_1.asp?id=102
Vallisneria Tortifolia http://www.floridadriftwood.com/vallisneria_tortifolia.htm
Vesicularia Dubyana http://www.aquahobby.com/garden/e_dubyana.php

Animal picture links:

Rana Catesbeiana http://www.fototime.com/9C305703CE6545B/standard.jpg
Xiphophorus Helleri http://www.jackspets.com/freshwaterswordtail.htm
Poecilia Reticulata http://www.jackspets.com/freshwaterguppy.htm
Corydoras Spp. http://www.jackspets.com/freshwaterccatfish.htm

[Ciddian]

Hiyas! sounds very interesting!! I couldnt see your drawing so i had some trouble mapping the layout out in my head... but from what i got it sounds very neat.

Here are just some things i would like to touch on. Watch out with the undergravel filter. All that is going to do for you is suck stuff into the gravel and dirt..trapping it underneath the filter plate. So as long as you can get in there with a syphon and clean it out you will be good. Maybe consider getting a reverse flow on the power head that way the dirt will sit ontop of the gravel and can be easily syphoned from there. Otherwise you might have some nasty spikes happen which might harm your frog.

I'd personally get an canister filter or the biggest filtration you can afford...more surface space the more room for that good bacteria. :)

Another thing is you might want to figure out what your water temp will be... I know densa does a lot better in cooler waters...densa is great for putting O2 in the water but might mush up on yas if its too warm. You will find out eventually what works and what doesnt.
I think you should shoot for 3-5wats pergallon because you do have some reddy type plants in there and that type is usually more light demanding. I hear the 3-5 will be alright and not to stressful on your lower light plants as well.

Maybe try out the tank without Co2 first and see how it does. Too much Co2 and you will kill your fishies. If you do end up using one... Jungles fiz factorys are pretty neat and not too pricey.

do you think the corys will be safe with your frog? They might be just fine...but i would hate to see your froggie with a cory stuck in its mouth. I dont know if you've picked up a cory before but they stick thier sharp fins outwards as a defence to not be swallowed. You might wanna check that will other frog keepers... i just might be over thinking it.

Also... if you do plan on having any sandy areas you might wish to consider a kuli loach or somthing to dig and turn that over for you. Malyasian snails too a great job at that as well and there are some plant friendly snails out there with awesome shells too that would really look nice...

Thats just a bit of my advice! HTH and good luck!! :D

[outcold720]

you should use compact fluorsecnts for lighting it. check out www.ahsupply.com

[-okapi-]

Yeah, i dont understand why my pic wont post, its a paint document titled Frog. Does anyone know how to post a picture from paint?
The undergravel filter will be hooked up to a power filter via a tube, so which ever wastes dont go to the power filter will be under the gravel being worked on by the good bacteria and plants roots. The corydoras are also there to keep things clean. Since its housing a big frog (which has big wastes) the suction of a power filter is needed, so i plan on hooking that up to the undergravel filter, but since its gonna be full of small livebearing fish, i dont want a huge filter intake...

Snails? I dont know about that, It seems to me that they overbreed and clog filter intakes with their tiny babies. Ill have to look into them some more though.

I wondered the same thing about corydoras, but i figured since they stay at the bottem and dont like to be out and about during the day, plus they like to hide... I dont know, ill look into that too.

Does anyone know if it is possible/a good idea to hook up a power filter to an undergravel filter?

Well, i gotta go to statistics class :(. Thanks for all the help, Ill check this post again after 8:00pm tonight.

[-okapi-]

Okay, heres my notes on the things i plan on getting in this vivaria. The water temperature will be in the 70's, and the PH will be about 7. That way all my plants and fish will be in good condition.

Plant: Anubias Nana
Name: Dwarf anubias
Origin: West Africa
Area: Middle
Difficulty: Easy
Light: Any
Temperature: 70-80's
Notes: Rhizome above water

Plant: Acorus Gramineus
Name: Japanese Sweet Flag
Origin: Asia
Area: Land
Difficulty: Unknown
Light: Any
Temperature: 50-80's
Notes: Grows above water

Plant: Aponogeton Crispus
Name: Crinkled Aponogeton
Origin: Asia
Area: Middle
Difficulty: Easy
Light: Bright
Temperature: 70-80's
Notes: Grows from bulb

Plant: Bacopa Caroliniana
Name: Giant Bacopa
Origin: Central America
Area: Back
Difficulty: Easy
Light: Bright
Temperature: 70-80's
Notes: Grows in groups

Plant: Echinodorus Tenellus
Name: Pygmy Chain Sword Plant
Origin: North & South America
Area: Front
Difficulty: Normal
Light: Normal-Bright
Temperature: 70-80's
Notes: Grows runners

Plant: Eldodea Densa
Name: Pondweed/Elodea
Origin: North America
Area: Front right corner
Difficulty: Easy
Light: Moderate-Bright
Temperature: 60-70's
Notes: Grows Fast

Plant: Lemna Minor
Name: Duckweed
Origin: Worldwide
Area: Floating
Difficulty: Easy
Light: Any
Temperature: 50-80's
Notes: Grows Fast

Plant: Ludwigia Glandulosa
Name: Glandular/Red star Ludwigia
Origin: North America
Area: Back right corner
Difficulty: Easy
Light: Bright
Temperature: 70-80's
Notes: Grows Fast

Plant: Microsorium Pteropus
Name: Java Fern
Origin: Asia
Area: Driftwood
Difficulty: Easy
Light: Normal
Temperature: 60-80's
Notes: Attach to wood/rock.

Plant: Nymphoides Aquatica
Name: Banana Plant
Origin: North America
Area: Middle
Difficulty: Normal
Light: Bright
Temperature: 60-80's
Notes: Keep "Banana roots" above substrate

Plant: Spathiphyllum Wallisii
Name: Peace Lily
Origin: South America
Area: Middle
Difficulty: Easy
Light: Any
Temperature: 60-80's
Notes: Bog plant

Plant: Vallisneria Tortifolia
Name: Twisted/Dwarf Vallisneria
Origin: Asia
Area: Middle
Difficulty: Easy
Light: Bright
Temperature: 70-80's
Notes: Forms daughter plants

Plant: Vesicularia Dubyana
Name: Java Moss
Origin: Asia
Area: Rocks
Difficulty: Easy
Light: Any
Temperature: 60-80's
Notes: Grows fast

Fish: Xiphophorus Helleri
Name: Green Swordtail
Origin: Central America
Difficulty: Easy
PH: 7
Temperature: 60-70's
Notes: Inbreeding causes no problems, livebearer

Fish: Poecilia Reticulata
Name: Guppy
Origin: South America
Difficulty: Easy
PH: 7
Temperature: 60-80's
Notes: Hardy, prolific livebearer, active, social

Fish: Corydoras Sp.
Name: Cory Catfish
Origin: South America
Difficulty: Easy
PH: 7
Temperature: 70's
Notes: Nocturnal

[Ciddian]

You could probably rig up somthing of the sort. I know you can get powerheads with pre filters. What you might want to do is head to a big als or good fish shop and talk plumbing with them. Maybe they can help you out there.
As long as you keep your undergravel filter clean by pushing a syphon down to the filter grill (when doing a gravel clean) you will be fine. Its when it gets clogged where it can work against you.

The plants look great too! They have some neat think flouresents now that arent that expencive. Power compacts are awesome to have.. but can get pricey. (its worth the money though... dont skimp on your filtration or lighting)

Hope you can get help with that! :)

[-okapi-]

There are 5 petstores in my general area, ill check with a few of them.

[galad]

You could go to a store that sells plumbing supllies to talk plumbing.

Also if your making a natural vivarium and you know where all your plants originate from. Why not just use plants all from the same area? Chances are they will go better together then plants from the other side of the world, and i personaly think it amkes more sence to set up a vivarium with all the plants from one region. You are trying to make a mini eco system so when not use plants that co-exist in nature together?

Just a thought, you can obviously do what you want.

peace

ws

[-okapi-]

My first idea was to make the vivaria with plants and with minnows from north america, for my north american frog. However the plant selection wasnt that good, they either grew too tall, needed seasonal changes, needed different water conditions than eachother, etc. The "minnows" either grow large, need refrigerated water in the winter, or wont reproduce in an aquarium. So, while reading about aquarium plants and fish i realized that there are so many better choices that can go in an aquarium. Java moss may not be a north american plant, but it will fill in the nich as an aquatic plant growing on driftwood, and so on. Plus the plants i chose look good, grow well in aquariums, survive at normal room temperatures, and will do fine at a neutral ph. For the fish i looked into "minnows" from florida to ohio, and found out that most "minnows" grow to 10 inches or more, dont thrive in an aquarium, or could introduce parasites and bad bacteria. I want fish that will survive in an aquarium, provide CO2 and food for the plants, and can keep their populations up even if my frog eats a few. Since its a heavily planted aquarium and most fish eat their eggs, i decided on guppies and swordtails. As livebearers their fry will have a chance to survive in all the plants. Swordtails dont have any problems with inbreeding, and i personally think the wild form aka "green swordtail" with its pale colors and medium size has the "minnow look" that i wanted. Guppies (the wild form) which are commonly sold cheap as feeders are hardy, and i also think that they look more like the "minnow" i had pictured in my head. The cory catfish, which i still dont know if i will put in, are more there to blend in and keep things clean.

[aeronautica86]

Yeah, i dont understand why my pic wont post, its a paint document titled Frog. Does anyone know how to post a picture from paint?

the pic doesn't show up for a number of reasons:

1. all you have is part of the filename - no file location
2. you have no file extention...every file has to have an extention..pics are usually .jpg, .bmp, .gif, etc...
3. the pic needs to be hosted on a file server somewhere, no just sitting on your computer...

go to photobucket.com and sign up for a free account, upload the pic, then copy the text under the pic by the IMG tag and paste it here....

[Ciddian]

Hmm ok, after reading over your first discription is to sugest that you might wanna try a fluval external canister or a lesser model. If you can snag an ehiem go for it. That way you can rig it up to connect to your UGF as your intake and you could use a spray bar for your outtake.
That way you shouldnt really have to worry about loosing fish or fry in the intake.
If you go with a normal Powerfilter you could eather go internal...or external. Your powerheads on the lift tubes of the UGF will provide a bit of filtration.. but i am not sure if it would be enough for the 55 gallon. You might wish to throw a Big Aquaclear on the back and slice a foam square, placing that over the intake. Big fish dont really get sucked up but fry can. If you have a lot of plants and matting plants fry should be safe in there.

Just because its a bigger tank is why you might want to get a canister. A trip to the plumbing store is a great idea... or you could call dan hamilton at bigalsonline.com. He is a hell of a lot better at figuring out filter plumbing than i am... just be prepared to wait on hold for a bit lol 1-888-8-BIGALS (1-888-824-4257.

Other than that... i know there are a few on here who dab into the fish keeping and know plumbing better than me.. I'll try to point them to your post to help you.
OOhh! and i forgot... how high will you have the water in your tank?

[-okapi-]

Thanks! The water will be filled up about 2/3's of the way. Its possible to hook up an external canister to an U.G.F.? good :)! I plan on hooking up the out-take tube of the UGF to the intake tube of my filter, so wastes will be pulled down under the gravel and into the filter. Ill run both ideas past petstore employees.

[Ciddian]

it should be ok to do, they might feed you some stuff about your water level being too low for a canister... But if you do it right and have it sealed together nicely it should work...
it would work well if it does.... I was worried about there being enough flow, but in a 55 gallon it should be plenty.

Its all theory in my head though... never tried it myself lol

[galad]

Im not to sure if hooking up a canister to a UGF would work that well. the intake might be strong enough to pull debris through the gravel, but it might only get a certain amount of suction near the opening to pull debris down but I dont know about the whole thing. If you could splice the intake to have it sucking from two ends it might work. Is that big of a frogs waste going to be able to be sucked down through the gravel to be sucked up by the filter?
Sorry just dont know how solid a frogs waste is.

Also I know from experience that putting to big of a foam block on the end of the intake of a aquaclear will be to hard on the motor, and sooner then later it will burn out.

[Ciddian]

good thought on the UGF....

I dont know about the aq burning out.. i've had mine for 5+years like that with no probs. But i make sure the water lvl is high enough and the sponge is clean. Just my experience...but i dont doubt it.

See i would rather scrap the UGF myself... and just go with a good filter. You will get that "good" bacteria on and in your gravel eather way over time. You dont need a UGF. They are a huge pain if they get clogged.
But if you will take the time to do syphon your gravel to get the bigger wastes and to flush out that ugf then it should be alright.

But hey... i dunno. I think the fun of trying it all out is neat. I think its the only way to really get a good understanding of how it all works. :)

[-okapi-]

I talked to a guy at petsmart, he said to scrap the UGF idea too, same reasons as you. Plus my frog, when she gets bigger will kick the gravel around alot. This also takes care of my cory cat problem, the frog will keep gravel clean when she swims, so no need for catfish. He also said that most of the plants i chose will be too brittle for my frog, so ive gotta rethink my setup. Java fern, java moss, grasslike plants are ok, but not like 8 or 9 of the 13 i had listed. He said apple or Ramshorn snails were ok if my plants are fast growing and i have good light. He also said to use clay balls instead of gravel. Im really gonna have to seriously rethink my whole setup :( :( :( :(

[Ciddian]

Dont feel too down about it :) Its a good experience i think!

Here are some plants i was thinking of while i was working...

Try some nana, anubias...its suposed to be tough stuff.....i dont know how well a trample by a frog will do but worth a try.
Also try an algae ball.... I dont remeber the exact name but they are pretty cool little things. Your frog can push it all around if it wants...all the better for the ball lol.
Java fern is a great one, Swords... They will get a lot tougher as they grow too.
Moss is great....why not try a more exotic moss too? Christmass moss is very cool and there are is a whole lot more out there.
Some floating plants like water sprite will look great too!!

[Greg West]

Just a note on the clayballs. If you are putting something over them they work well for a substrate. They can float though, so you can't just put them in the water like you would do with graveil. I thought you could and found out the hard way when Itried to set up a tank.

Greg

[Ciddian]

I've never seen those before... I'll have to go look myself.
I am a fan of flourite for the bottom....Super simple. :)

[-okapi-]

flourite, what exactally is that? pet store guy mentioned them...

[Ciddian]

Ohhh flourite is just like those clay balls i suppose but its just like gravel. You can put it as a bottom layer in your tank and then put whatevery gravel you wish over it. The plants slowly grow into the clay layer and its suposed to be great for them. I have some in my nano and my plants are growing like wild. :)

[-okapi-]

I see, ill have to look more into this then, because i dont want to have a bunch of clay balls floating around whenever my frog shifts the gravel.

[Ciddian]

Here is what it looks like, just so you have an idea
flourite (http://www.bigalsonline.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=28673;category_id=3145)

And here is a pic of those Marimo Algae balls i was talking about. ^^
Kinda hard to find from time to time around here. They make me giggle. lol. They slowly roll and get shapped in rivers untill they are nice and round. Supposed to be good houses for good bacteria
Marimo Algae ball (http://www.ryokan.or.jp/hokkaido/check-e/img/cph_e_04.jpg)

[-okapi-]

lol, ive seen those before when i was surfing the web for aquatic plants, but dont they need colder water? I think thats why i didnt look into them, or maybe its cuz i like java moss better?

[Ciddian]

Oohh you know i am not sure myself.. O_o Java moss is great, very versatile! ^^
If you need a handful i cant send you some. Are you in canada or us?

[-okapi-]

im in kentucky, theres a store that sells all kinds of water plants about 20 mins north of here in cincinnati. Ill have to wait till after christmas to work on the tank though, im just getting my ideas strait right now. The algae balls are from hardwatered(?), deep, cold lakes in north eastern europe.

[-okapi-]

Ok, for canister filters Ive come up with a list of a few that might work, but I need advice. Which one should I choose? The tank will have fish, A LOT of plants, and a bull frog. The aquarium is 20 inches tall, and I will have 2 inches of flourite, 1 inch of gravel, then water up to the 16th inch of the tank. That means the water will be about 13 inches above the gravel. The deep end will be 2ft long, then the slope will be 1ft, and the land area will be 1ft. Im not good at math, so i have no clue how many gallons that is, however since I will have a big frog, i know i need a big filter. Which one should i use?

http://www.bigalsonline.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=22039;category_id=1711;pcid 1=2885;pcid2=
Fluval 104: Recommended for aquariums up to 25 gallons in size. $54.99

http://www.bigalsonline.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=22041;category_id=1711;pcid 1=2885;pcid2=
Fluval 204: Recommended for aquariums up to 40 gallons in size. $64.99

http://www.bigalsonline.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=22033;category_id=1711;pcid 1=2885;pcid2=
RENA Filstar XP 1 Canister Filter: Recommended for aquariums up to 45 gallons in size. $59.99

http://www.bigalsonline.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=22019;category_id=1711;pcid 1=2885;pcid2=
Eheim Filter 2213: suitable for tanks up to 65 gallons. $72.99

http://www.bigalsonline.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=32313;category_id=1711;pcid 1=2885;pcid2=
Hydor Prime 10: use with aquariums in the 20-40 gallon range. $69.99

[Ciddian]

I think big als just started carrying that hydor prime...or its on the new side anyways. I have been looking at it myself so i wasnt sure of it compleatly. It looks fairly good.
The neat thing about those products are that you can purchase an inline heater for it.. Which i thought was interesting.

The Ehiem is supposed to be the best. So go for that if you can, but the on you are looking at is the old models... If you dont mind that cylindrical style and loose filter media go for it. You really shouldnt touch that filter for a few months anyways. Thats the nice thing about it.
Just be careful about the o-ring that seals the top. If you get it be wary about kinking the rubber.

Fluvals are alright... but usually dont do too well with too much bioload.. so you'll just have to clean it a bit sooner. Also... I personally am unsure about the ribbed flexi tubeing that they have for it now... I like the normal tubing myself. I wasnt sure if you would have black algae build up in the grooves.

But the number one thing is to shoot for the biggest filter you can, and the filters Flow rates are usually done without media...so expect your ghp to go down slightly. :)

I used to work with big als online, customer service... So this is bits of stuff i hear from customers lol

Hope that helps!!

[Ciddian]

Oohh and the filstar is suposed to be alright.... its just a lower grade. I heard that some people had issues with bubbles getting stuck in a groove under the top. If you give it a lil wiggle and try to prime again i hear it works.
Just watch the side clamps with the fluvals and the filstar :)

The fluval has trays for your media to sit in as well i think the filstar does as well.
If you pick up a fish mag the next time your at the pet store thier flyer type thing gives you a nice cross section ^^

[-okapi-]

Ok, i uploaded my newest paint drawing of my viv idea into ssnakess gallery, heres a link :)
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/medium/frog2.JPG

Sorry its so blury, I dont know why it turned out that way.
It will have 9-10 plants in it:
Acorus Gramineus
Echinodorus Barthii AND/OR Echinodorus "Ozelot green"
Echinodorus Tenellus
Elodea Densa
Lemna Minor
Microsorium
Pistia Stratiotes
Vallisneria Sp.
Vesicularia Dubyana

Echinodorus Barthii AND/OR Echinodorus "Ozelot green" <-- This is because Im undecided, i like the look of both plants, and I think they would provide good cover for my frog.

Hopefully this is enough cover to keep my guppy and swordtail populations up, just incase my frog starts eating them.

Post your thoughts/Advice.

[-okapi-]

Oh, for that pic:
blue = water;
green = plants;
brown = driftwood;
Red balls = flourite;
grey balls = gravel;
On top pic, white = land (because its a bird's eye view)
On top pic, gray thing behind driftwood "stump" and in the Ozelot plants are = filter intake/outtake.
On top pic, light blue = possible stream Idea Im toying with (from outtake to the water)
On bottem pic, white = space (like space between plants, rocks, etc.)

If you have any questions, just ask.

[-okapi-]

Ok, I can see myself setting up this tank in late january or febuary, then adding frog in like march. I think Ill use the fluval 204 canister filter (or is it okay to use one bigger than the amount of water in tank, like say a fluval 304?) How would I keep fry (guppies and sword tails) from getting sucked up? And should i keep a seperate tank for breeding them so ill always have fish? The ideas are almost set, now i just gotta wait for more money lol.

[-okapi-]

Ok, ive decided not to add the Echinodorus Barthii AND/OR Echinodorus "Ozelot green" plants. All the others will provide more than enough cover. Also ive decided on a canister filter, its called the turtle canister 501. http://www.petco.com/Shop/Product.aspx?R=7568&sku=993530&redirectURL=%2fShop%2fSearchResults.aspx%3fNav%3d1 %26N%3d0%26Ntt%3dturtle%2520501&Nav=1&N=0&Ntt=turtle+501
Its better than a fluval 104, and cost less than a fluval 204.

[Ciddian]

That filter is a bit smaller in size but i've always liked it! I havent gotten to try it as of yet so let me know how it does. ^^