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Hello Again,
One week ago we went to the local pet store to purchase a Ball Python for my cousin. I purchased one from the store a few days earlier (which is doing great). Many of the snakes in the cage were in a sickly state, there were a few dead snakes in the cage. I picked the best one available which was active and had clear eyes and skin, though was obviously shedding in different places. This was a hatchling and I was told it has never fed before, as the store has no time to feed all of their snakes. I purchased this snake and brought him to my cousin.
The snake is a hatchling and in a 10 gallon aquarium with a screen top. Tissue paper (smell free), with a small water bowl, barried heat rock, small heat lamp (heat on left side of the cage), a medium size piece of drift wood (cleaned). We have recently placed a warm wet towel on %75 of the cage top to keep the humidity up inside of the enclosure. The snake has been very inactive.
Today, we purchased mice for our snakes, my hatchling is eating hoppers as of now. I thought I would try fuzzies on this snake, he would not eat the live fuzzies after many attempts. He has not been seek drinking much water and is spending most of his time in his hide box. Today I noticed a sore on his lower back, which has a 'rotting' smell. The pics below are very hard to take the snake is active when being held. He appears dehydrated (sp*) so we soaked him in water for 10 minutes today. Do you have any suggestions for this Ball Python?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/LandonCowling/Picture194.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/LandonCowling/Picture195.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/LandonCowling/Picture196.jpg
The Sore:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/LandonCowling/Picture197.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/LandonCowling/Picture198.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/LandonCowling/Picture202.jpg
Thank you for your time :)
steelnink
07-05-05, 06:01 PM
Get him to a vet, ASAP....
Do you know what the problem is?
steelnink
07-05-05, 06:27 PM
Im not a big fan of giving people diagnosis of reptiles i have not seen first hand, and i am not a qualified vet, GET HIM TO ONE...
If you can not get to a qualified HERP vet, [ PLEASE DO], here are my suggestions,
#1- Strip everything out of the tank
#2- Get a heat pad underneth the tank
#3- Make sure your temps are slightler higher[ 80 in the cool side- 90 in the warm side]
#4- If dehydration is suspected, mist python and tank with warm water every couple hours
#5- Clean sore on spine with a q-tip and a polysporin type antibacterial ointment inbetween mistings.
#6- Go back to the pet shop you purchased them from and beat the living piss out of the REPTILE EXPERT that kept these creatures in those conditions.[ give them a kick in the teeth for me]...
#7- Hope for the best, and keep up the routine.
thunder
07-05-05, 07:34 PM
in the future NEVER purchase animals, as healthy as they may seem, when other animals they are with are sickly, and especially not if they are dead. there many people who can supply you with high quality CBs for a reasonable price. as heartless as this may sound, return it if you can, because you could easily sink a thousand dollars into a sick animal. i know, im going through it right now. i should have sent the snake right back instead of feeling sorry for it. also, if you pay for an animal that is obviously neglected, you are supporting an institution which is abusive towards animals.
wiseman001
07-05-05, 08:02 PM
CALL YOUR LOCAL HUMANE SOCIETY, GO TO THE ASPCA,( i think thats correct )
call up the local animal cruelity....but if all fails kick the piss out of the person who's incharge there.....contact Animal rights activist.. they are the best... !!!
Edmond Y
07-05-05, 08:30 PM
Rikki, Sorry to see this little guy. I hate to say that may be it is too late. I can see he is in critical condition. He has over dry and hanging skin that show he seems to be seriously dehydrated and seems to be over lacking of food source.
There are few things for your reference.
If there are sick animal in one cage, don't buy any snakes from that pet shop.
Do not use heat rock. use undertank heat source with a dimmer.
Never buy babies less than 150 grams. hanging and dry skin show problems already occured.
I think you should bring him to vet ASAP.
The pet store that sell you snake has to pay big part of responsibilty. You should go get your money back!
Edmond
smeagel
07-05-05, 09:14 PM
That pet store should reported to the Humane Society. A heat rock is a very bad idea, it will burn your snake very badly. 90 is not hot enough for the hot side of the tank, should be around 94. And I don't recomend buying reptiles from the average pet store. I am very sorry to hear about your snake, but you can learn from this mistake. If you ever decide to get another BP, research, research, research, and buy from a reputable breeder. Good luck with him.
Thanks guys, im going to do my best. Sadly there is not a vet in my area able to handle snakes, I will do my best and keep you all updated :(
Could you put alchol on the sore?
steelnink
07-06-05, 12:00 AM
No alcohol.
Thanks, ill see what we can do. We just soaked him for about 15 minutes.
i dont mean to be harsh (seems like im saying that a lot lately lol) but if you were out looking to buy a new puppy would you buy a puppy from a breeder or store that had dead puppys or dogs laying around? probably no right.... well why is it any different for a snake ??? just wondering
BoidsUnlimited
07-06-05, 02:17 AM
I agree with sharno.
If you did your research correctly, you would know not to purchase a snake that is living with sickly looking snakes//dead ones. Your snake may look fine, but what if one of those snakes has IBD, or an RI. Your snake has a pretty high chance of contracting it now as well. Also a heat rock? Another sign lack of research was done.
Sorry if I sound harsh, but it sorta ticks me off when people don't read about the animal they wish to get, then this happens, and the petstore just got away with another sale which should NOT have been made at all.
Unfortunately the damage has been done, and all that is left to do is treat the snake with the best of intentions. Like some said, bump the temps up to around 80-90, get a heat rock, mist twice a day, and give it a week before attempting any food source. If nothing happens, you may have to drive aways to get to a vet. If you do, try and get a stole sample for when you take him, internal parasites may be an issue here as well.
Thanks,
Don Meyer
Serpens
07-06-05, 02:39 AM
I'm sorry to hear about your new BP, but I'm going to have to agree with everyone here. I won't spell it out, as others have, but mistakes are alright, as long as you learn from them.
One thing I WILL repeat is REPORT THE STORE TO ANYONE!!! Especially if you get your python to the vet, tell the vet about what the conditions were like. Any pet store that openly admits to you that they can't take care of all the animals they have should be reported, as they should not be allowed to exist. I don't even consider getting animals from my local petstore anymore, as my first and second corns both came with mites, which I had to treat for. Go with a breeder. And yeah, if you get the chance, kick the teeth of the reptile specialist down his irresponsible throat for me.
Good luck with your bp. I hope he pulls through. Remember: knowledge is power!
Serpens
steelnink
07-06-05, 05:40 AM
The kid asked for advice how to help treat his bp, not a ****ing lecture how or where to buy a snake.
These are the posts that really piss me off, someone asks for help and they get lectures, you should all get off your high horse...
Has none of you ever bought from pet stores, or made bad mistakes when first getting into the hobby?
Some of the advice that is given in this forum, is by people who don't know **** from sherlock, just reguratating what they have read or heard.
Then some jackass scorns down on a rook, and everyone jumps on the bandwagon.
You all need to chill and get a clue, and try to remember yourself as rooks.
BoidsUnlimited
07-06-05, 06:58 AM
The kid asked for advice how to help treat his bp, not a ****ing lecture how or where to buy a snake.
These are the posts that really piss me off, someone asks for help and they get lectures, you should all get off your high horse...
Has none of you ever bought from pet stores, or made bad mistakes when first getting into the hobby?
Some of the advice that is given in this forum, is by people who don't know **** from sherlock, just reguratating what they have read or heard.
Then some jackass scorns down on a rook, and everyone jumps on the bandwagon.
You all need to chill and get a clue, and try to remember yourself as rooks.
LMFAO! Your are ABSOLUTELY right buddy! Next time someone makes a bad choice..lets NOT point it out to him so he can go make that BAD choice again. So how about you step your your "high horse," and realize its not a lecture, but some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism....grow up and calm down. Your right too...I made these mistakes, then I was pointed out about them, thats how I learned.
Wow....I'm done :D
Later ;)
Don Meyer
Thank you for your replies, I appreciate your help though I do not appreciate your lectures, I asked for help to save the life of this snake. I am not going to the pet store to simply return him or get my money back, this is a living creature not an item. If I were to report this pet store they would do nothing about this. Though if you want to know you can have the pet store name and number.
Dogpatch Pet Shop
903-792-5697
Second of all, I have done my research before I made my purchase. I am most certaibly not a n00b.
Greg West
07-06-05, 11:07 AM
If you had done your research you would have realized that you don't buy an animal that isn't eating, and is in a cage with other dead and dying animals. The way I see it you wanted a snake and you had to have it now instead of waiting to find a healthy eating specimen that came from a reputable breeder. Im not a snake person, but I have enough common sense to know that if an animal is in a cage with sick or dead animals that more than likely there is something wrong with it as well.
These pet stores should not be supported in any way whether buying the animal there, or buying the food there. The more money you give to a store like that, the more money they reinvest bringing in sick animals or bringing in animals that become sick due to there negligence in care.
Greg West
Dark_Angel_25
07-06-05, 11:16 AM
Sorry everyone,
I too agree with those saying you should not have bought it, BUT.. and it's a BIG BUT...
You SHOULD NOT BE BUYING ANY REPTILES if you dont even have a VET for REPTILES in your Area... you CANNOT say you can take care of all the needs of the reptile unless you have a certified and qualified vet.
If not in your area directly, then RESEARCH and FIND ONE NEARBY,
I'm sorry but it REALLY PO's me when people dont think of the what if;s
What IF my snake gets sick?
What IF my snake gets loose and gets attacked by another family pet?
What would you do then? let iy die? I'm sorry.. but if a vet isnt nearby, then FIND ONE YOU CAN GO TOO... even if you have to DRIVE for and hour or more.... you bought it, you are responsible for it.
Like someone mentioned, you wouldnt buy a puppy from someone with dead dogs on the property... well you wouldnt buy one either if you didnt have someone you could take it too if it got sick...
I understand what you are saying, but please remember THIS IS NOT MY SNAKE, this is my cousins snake which I am trying to help with all of my might. I have a perfect baby ball python at home who is feeding great and is very active. I greatly thank you for all of your replies, they are helpful and greatly appreciated. Though I was informed that the snake we had purchased was one of the snakes that was imported just the day before, he was very healthy and active, he looked just like what any ball python should look, he was active, moving, drinking, he had clear eyes and skin as well. Then we bring him home to have this happen. I care for reptiles, they are something I have dedicated my life to, last night I only got a few hours of sleep because of this snake, I do not regret purchasing this reptile, I am going to help this creature.
I would not like to be confused with someone who does not care for his or her animals. I am a reptile keeper who has been in the hobby for a few years now, I do anything in my power to care for reptiles and provide them with a loving and caring home. All of my reptiles are in elite health, I look forward to bringing the same to my cousins snake.
We are contacting a vet a few hours away from our home at this time. I will keep you updated on our progress. Thank you for your time and understanding. Please do not say that I do not care for my animals or make comments suggesting such. These reptiles are like my children, I care for them and will do anything in my power to help them.
Serpens
07-06-05, 03:38 PM
Okay, I think he gets the idea. Let's not try to rub his mistake in by going over it again and again, but help him learn. People don't learn by having others rub in their mistakes. Being informed is one thing, having others all but ridicule you is something else.
As for Steelnink's post, I'd just like to point out that I am a 'rook' or novice in the hobby, but just because I'm a rookie doesn't mean that I shouldn't try to help in the best way I know how, which is, at the present time, to offer the only knowledge that I have at my disposal. When I'm offering advice, I often mention that I'm not an expert and to double check any info with someone who has more experience. I, along with other rookies I'm sure, are only trying to help out a fellow herp lover in the best way we know how. Angry posts that point out our limitations don't help our confidence in the abilities and knowledge that we are gaining by reading and participating in these forums. We can all learn and offer help, regardless of whether we've been involved in this hobby for months or decades.
Serpens
steelnink
07-06-05, 08:32 PM
O.K. lets go there.
Say you purchased a reptile from a pet store, breeder, or even an expo, days or even weeks down the road a problem pops up and that gorgeous reptile's health starts to decline. You jump on the forum to ask for some help, and HOPEFULLY, some good advice, and instead of everyone trying to offer help dealing with your concerns, you get lecture about doing your research, you shouldn't of bought it, blah, blah, blah, nothing pertaining to the questions you asked.
Constructive criticism involves both positive and negetive comments...
I have no problem with rooks, many friends are new to the game, but when you cannot offer help with the problem at hand, stay out of the conversation.
Rikki this question is for you. After this ordeal you and your cousin is going through with the bp, would you ever buy or suggest to anyone, to purchase a reptile from a pet store?
I'll assume the answer is NO.
So everyone, even without all of the negative,[ CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM], lesson is learned.
Boidsunlimited did you suggest for Rikki to get a HEAT ROCK, nuff said.
No I would not tell someone never to buy a reptile from a pet store. You should not judge every single pet store by ones mistake.
ok sorry to keep on about this but steelnik what i said has nothing to do with a pet store because i buy reptiles from a pet store, well a well known reptile stores and they are perfectly fine but this has to do with buying a snake that was probably crawling around on dead snakes along with sick ones. i mean do you really expect everyone on this forum to keep their mouths shut when someone says that they did that ?? thats like saying oh i just cut off my finger and coming to a forum and asking how to put it back on, do you really expect everyone to tell him how to put his finger back on... no they are gonna say why the hell did you cut your finger off. same thing here and no why dont you go back and read boids post and you will see he did not recommend a heat rock..... haha nuff said
and Rikki do you excuse this mistake because it is your cousins ?? cuz if i can still read correctly in your post, it said that you picked this snake out of the cage. so no matter whos snake it is and how you are trying to help him. you still picked the snake out you might care for the animals and thats great but sometimes you just gotta use common sense.
steelnink
07-07-05, 05:51 AM
I agree with sharno.
If you did your research correctly, you would know not to purchase a snake that is living with sickly looking snakes//dead ones. Your snake may look fine, but what if one of those snakes has IBD, or an RI. Your snake has a pretty high chance of contracting it now as well. Also a heat rock? Another sign lack of research was done.
Sorry if I sound harsh, but it sorta ticks me off when people don't read about the animal they wish to get, then this happens, and the petstore just got away with another sale which should NOT have been made at all.
Unfortunately the damage has been done, and all that is left to do is treat the snake with the best of intentions. Like some said, bump the temps up to around 80-90, get a heat rock, mist twice a day, and give it a week before attempting any food source. If nothing happens, you may have to drive aways to get to a vet. If you do, try and get a stole sample for when you take him, internal parasites may be an issue here as well.
Thanks,
Don Meyer
Maybe you should learn how to read, before making a post.Nuff Said
steelnink
07-07-05, 06:25 AM
Well the can was opened,
Do you rooks want experienced keepers to respond to posts shaming newbies for stupid mistakes?
If so, i'll have to quit my job so i have time to LECTURE ...
I merly stated Rikki asked for help, HOW THE HELL, is preaching the perils of purchasing a healthy, cbb, animal helping him or the bp?
When the first UNRELATED reply was made, everyone jumped in, adding insult to injury.
This kind of attitude is telling me, well we don't know how to help, but, i still know more than you, you should have done this,and this, and this.
Do you all feel better about all your knowledge and wisedom that you passed on?
If so, have a hero cookie.
I am the type of person who believes, every pet shop that deals with reptiles should be put out of business, they should stick with dogs and cats, etc.
Everyone should ONLY buy cbb from breeders, so pet stores won't stock reptiles, hire someone who knows **** about their care, and call themselves REPTILE EXPERTS because they look after that section of the store.
I do agree with SOME of the replies, but i will not rub his nose in it, like a dog who just **** on the carpet.
steelnink
07-07-05, 07:04 AM
I'll just add some salt to the wound,
General research you find in a book, but you won't find experience.. Maybe instead of doing anything when i go on vacation, i'll just go through past threads, and instead of offering help and advice, i will just point out others mistakes, and ridicule them, maybe then, i can have a hero cookie.
ok i will say sorry about boids unlimited's comment cuz he did comment against them in the first paragraph and then i guess he recommended them later which is stupid but i did not see that i figured the first one was his opinion. but anyways i was the first one to post about it so whatever lets all bow down and do what you say
steelnink
07-07-05, 07:46 PM
So the worm has turned....
I don't think thats really necessary, lowering your head will work,lol.
I don't think your understanding what i'm trying to say but i'll just let it go.
peterm15
07-07-05, 08:47 PM
steellink your just doing the same thing your raggin on everyone else for.. how is that productive.. dont give yourself a bad name this early in the game.. youll never find a way out..
anyways.. im gonna skip all other threads and start over... rikki get rid of the hot rock. it will only do harm.. make sure your temps and humidity are correct and it may be a good idea to use a rubbermaid for now, just the basics.. couple hides, paper towel ect ect.. use disposable stuff and clean it daily... poly sporin will work on the wound.. apply it a few times daily.. if you give me a little bit ill find out which is the best to use.. other than that just get him to a vet.. i hope everything works out for you... and i hope you rescue this little fella.. good luck...
steelnink
07-07-05, 09:34 PM
Early in the forum, not the game.
Constructive criticism taken, and a great reply to Rikki's thread.
dont be an ******* about it, i dont care what you think but dont talk to me like im some dog. and i do understand what you are trying to say and i dont give a damn. just cuz boids made a typing error and i didnt see that cuz you know he wasnt actually recommending that he use a freaking heat rock so i said sorry for missing it. but i was not saying sorry for anything else to you and the worm has not turned.
BoidsUnlimited
07-07-05, 11:03 PM
Whoa...I read steelnicks age and giggled!
Grow up man (sad I have to say that to a 29yr old).....its a forums.
steelnink
07-08-05, 05:36 AM
You silly American rookies,
I was planning on letting this entire issue drop, but you 2 little jackass no-knothings just won't let it go.
First- Sharno so i'm an ******* ,am i?
Well i do have one.
Second-Boids you say to grow up?
YOU SHOULD BOTH TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR COMMENTS, THEN REALIZE I'M NOT THE ONE IN NEED OF GROWING UP.
This is indeed a forum, it should be a place where everyone can ask for advice, share their experience, dealing with all reptilian information.
Here lately is seems to be more of a group hazing, with people like you, RIDICULING OTHERS.
I offered advice to Rikki's question, as a few others did, not scorn him for making a bad decision.
Its just a shame you 2 came to the battle of wits empty handed, this could've been interesting.
BoidsUnlimited
07-08-05, 05:46 AM
Haha......I pointed out exactly what he did wrong. If you have a problem with that then don't freaking read my post. But if you do notice after I gave him advise on how to FIX what he did wrong afterwards.
You are so ridiculous man...are you against americans....and now I'm a jackass?
I'm done with this thread, your not worth it honestly.
Later,
Don Meyer
did we ever say something about you being canadian ???? and i said dont be an ******* about it cuz of your comments about "lowering your head will be fine" i mean come on i dont know what your problem is. i just pointed out that he shouldnt have bought an animal that was around dead animals i mean i didnt ridicule him or make fun of him. rikki is only 15 years old so if noone tells him then how will he know ???? you have major anger issues, you made this thing a whole big deal it would have been fine if it wasnt for you crying about us saying something about it. i didnt plan on having a battle, you made it one cuz you wont let anyone say something on a forum, you dont own this place so just drop it and dont worry about what everyone else says. you expect us to let it go and shut up when you comeback and cut down on us, yeah ok .... i hope you dont respond cuz i really dont wanna hear what comes out of your mouth next. and notice i have not told you to grow up once .....
steelnink
07-08-05, 11:57 AM
Alright, i've taken my anger managment meds.
I have never said i have anything against Americans, that was just the title of the post.
The lowering your head comment was meant to lighten the mood, in response to Sharno's comment about bowing down to me.
The comment made by myself was directed at this entire forum, not just this thread.
You 2 [ Boids and Sharno] seem to be takeing this as a personal attack, while i will admit, call me out and i'll return the favor[ make it personal, i'll get personal].
If either of you can recall, i agreed that i felt the same about purchasing the bp in the condition its in, even buying from pet stores in general.
I've received so many private messangers concerning my post, i answered all and think everyone seemed to understand the point i was making.
The fact still remains that after the initial reply that he shouldn't have purchased the bp, some continued to rub his nose in his [obvious] stupid mistake.
I've been in this game a long time, but still don't ridicule people for making mistakes, everyone makes them.
What i've always done, is try to give helpful advice dealing with the persons questions/concerns, and to do so in a positive way.
When i see or hear others beating them down, that pisses me off.
Serpens comment is absolutely correct, we are all still learning, but it's always a better learning experience when we are teaching and not preaching.
ok point taken, i understand that it was the whole forum, but it felt like it was against the people in this thread like me and boids and why did you have to point us out as americans ?? couldnt you have said silly rookies?? also again i was not the one fueling the fire again and again i was the first one. so we can say truce now ?? i really dont see the need to go on about this. thank you and have a nice day
I never said its not my fault, its no ones fault that a snake is ill but the pet store, I will not b uy from them again. The snake is doing better, he is active, and has been drinking a whole lot though not eating yet. Could you guys stop arguing and get back to topic before this one is trashed?
Edmond Y
07-08-05, 03:06 PM
Rikki, so glad to know that the baby ball is getting better. If he still not eating, you may want to assist feeding. There are very good formula from Ball Python manual p 66 which may help. Just incase you don't have the manual handi.
1 jar pureed chicken baby food
1 jar fo Gatorade or Pedialite
1/4 teaspoon vegetable oil
1 Tums tablet, crused( provides calcium)
Mix all ingredientswell and feed at the same rate as the a/d: one 10 ml per kg every 7-21 days, as need.
I haven't try those on any of my snake but similar formula I been try on my sick puppies and is very good.
Hope this help.
Best regard
Edmond
Edmond that formula would be for force feeding and unless you have a lot of experience I would not recomend you try that. To assist feed something as scrawny as the snake pictured use a mouse fuzzy and gently but firmly holding the snake directly behind the head and get the mouth open, usually just gently pressing the nose of the mouse to the snakes mouth will get him to open. Place the head of the mouse as far back in the snakes mouth, close the mouth and hopefully he will recover. From the looks of him though I wouldn't bet on it.
Serpens
07-08-05, 06:39 PM
Rikki, I'm glad to hear that your BP is doing better. Sorry I can't be of more specific help, but like I said in one of my posts, I'm still new to all this myself. Good luck with your BP, sounds like it's coming around, and keep us posted.
Serpens
BoidsUnlimited
07-08-05, 10:51 PM
Alright, i've taken my anger managment meds.
I have never said i have anything against Americans, that was just the title of the post.
The lowering your head comment was meant to lighten the mood, in response to Sharno's comment about bowing down to me.
The comment made by myself was directed at this entire forum, not just this thread.
You 2 [ Boids and Sharno] seem to be takeing this as a personal attack, while i will admit, call me out and i'll return the favor[ make it personal, i'll get personal].
If either of you can recall, i agreed that i felt the same about purchasing the bp in the condition its in, even buying from pet stores in general.
I've received so many private messangers concerning my post, i answered all and think everyone seemed to understand the point i was making.
The fact still remains that after the initial reply that he shouldn't have purchased the bp, some continued to rub his nose in his [obvious] stupid mistake.
I've been in this game a long time, but still don't ridicule people for making mistakes, everyone makes them.
What i've always done, is try to give helpful advice dealing with the persons questions/concerns, and to do so in a positive way.
When i see or hear others beating them down, that pisses me off.
Serpens comment is absolutely correct, we are all still learning, but it's always a better learning experience when we are teaching and not preaching.
Hey, Im cool if you are. I have nothing against you. Maybe your right, maybe I DID come off too strong on the kid. But I just feel even if he did make a mistake you should point them out. So next time I'll be less forward and more calm about it. I apologize if it bothered you. I'm just here to help. I have done some damn stupid things in this hobby, and I just like to help people NOT do what I have done.
Later,
Don Meyer
BoidsUnlimited
07-08-05, 10:53 PM
I never said its not my fault, its no ones fault that a snake is ill but the pet store, I will not b uy from them again. The snake is doing better, he is active, and has been drinking a whole lot though not eating yet. Could you guys stop arguing and get back to topic before this one is trashed?
Great work. Hows the wound looking? Try some neosporin on it. I'd keep the temps up abit too. Try to keep handling to a minimum also!
Good luck, let me know if you have anything specific you need answered.
Thanks,
Don Meyer
I'm the cousin of Rikki my snake has ate and is
doing alot better.
I have 7 ball pythons 3 rescuded. Not only is your snake sick it looks very dehydrated. When there is wrinkles in the skin theres your first no. Second for your own good because this will drive you up the wall. Take the babie to a qualified herp vet then make sure to notify someone who has power about the store you purchesed it from because i've seen some bad babies but not like that. They should be ashamed for having dead animals in there tanks for the public to see and tell the world.
The snake now is doing great.
I'm glad to hear it. get your hands on the ball python manual written by Phillipe de Vosjoli .I read it cover to cover and I can solve my own problems. You can to. enough of listening to people argue. Do you reaserch. Solve them by yourself the feeling is great when you can give advice as well as solving your own problems. Good luck kid. It's all patents. I have 7. 3 wild caught thats problems. That's another story. Congrads you own one of the pickest snakes in the world.
Just another update, this snake is doing amazing now, the scar is nearly gone, he is very hydrated and looks great! :)
Tommorow I'm buying my bp a hopper.She is doing great.
Big-D Reptiles
07-13-05, 08:18 PM
Why on earth would you still buy from that Pet Store ??
~~~ And now your looking to buy a baby burm from a pet store, who again has dead snakes ??
In fact, wasn't the initial burmie you were going to buy dead ?
And now you have to wait for another one ??
Sorry, to be harsh................... but think about what you are doing !!!
And, what kind of pet store is this anyways ?
Somebody should have that place closed down !!!
I am not the one purchasing the burm, not my cousin Jeremy. Though we never stated which pet store we are purchasing from, yes, we are purchasing from the same pet store. Though my burm is ordered in through a private breeder, when I pick up my burm it will still be in the shipping box from the breeder and will not come in contact with the other animals.
The initial burm I was going to purchase yes was found dead, the snake apparently choked during his first feeding, mand hatchlings just do not live at some times. This snakes housing conditions were great though, the day of pick up; he was dead. Though I do not in any way excuse any form of animal cruelty, they have made improvements since I have commented on the conditions.
Trust me; if there was a better store in my area I would purchsae from them, though my current reptiles have to eat and this is the only available source for their food rather than an online source which would cost a much larger ammount, not to mention shipping.
wow its freaking amazing ...... poor animals ......
Ciddian
07-14-05, 06:44 PM
Wow! Landon you must have heaps of room and cash for all the snakes dude :) I only wish i had money like that ^^ LOL One of the downfalls of living in your own appartment... having bills etc etc.
Do you think we could get an aftershot of your BP? I think it would neat to see...
Thanks eh! :)
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