Interspecies relations?

[askaboutrep]

Can a veiled mate with a Jackson's, or any other different chameleon species? I am sure they could probably do the deed, but would they, and could any babies come from it??

[thunder]

veiled and jackson's are not terribly closely related, so i wouldnt bet on that cross. ive never heard of a hybrid chameleon, but its perfectly possible that there is one.

[DragnDrop]

There are some people who intentionally make hybrids but it's not such a great idea. Considering how fast wild chams are dying out, let's keep the species pure.
In case you hadn't realized it, in your example, you're suggesting mating and egg layer and a live bearer, which just wouldn't work no matter what. ;)

[vipervenom]

I completely disagree with interbreeding even with different locales of the same species. It just complicates the bloodline and eventually it will be impossible to get a pure bred Nosy Be. Also you would be doing what nature didn't intend to, and thus complicating the bloodlines even more, please do not attempt this. But I am glad youa sked for other users to understand.

[askaboutrep]

I guess part of the reason I asked is because I was thinking of getting another chameleon. I have a small female veiled, and was wondering if there are any complications keeping a smaller breed with her. Maybe a pair even. She is maybe half the size of a normal adult female veiled.

[dank7oo]

With her. No. Do not do it.

Jason

[DragnDrop]

If by " keeping a smaller breed with her" you mean in the same enclosure, DEFINITELY not. Chams are solitary animals for the most part, even those species who live in groups in the wild stay far enough away from each other for personal space. In captivity they should never be kept together (except for the small terrestrial species which have exceptions to this rule).
Never keep the larger arboreal species in pairs (or groups) except for mating purposes, and never ever mix species.

[askaboutrep]

Ok...judging from the tone of your responses, that idea is out of the question. She just looks so bored.

[vipervenom]

Haha, to youshe does, to her she's doing what she always does. They are solitary by nature and will be very stressed with anohter animal within the same cage.

[askaboutrep]

Its so hard not to give them human characteristics.

[galad]

NOt that I want anyone to make a hybrid chameleon

But if they did they would not really be effecting any bloodlines because hybrids are infertile.

But breeding locals of panther would affect bloodlines and i hate people who do it. Not only do they cross locals but some of them do not label them as a cross. This is where problemes arise.

[vipervenom]

They are? Well well, I didn't know that. But back to one of my points, why? Why create a cross when nature would have never permitted it in the wild?

Yes but then agian they may not be marked as what locale etc, and then that person thinks they have a pure nosey be, a few clutches later could show up some odd colours and then, like I said, it may eventually be impossible to get pure bred locales and such.

[newticus]

Not all hybrids are sterile. Because people don't know this even more problems arise.
As an example, wolves (canis lupis) and dogs (canis familiaris) hybridize into a fertile malamute
albino kingsnakes and albino corn snakes also make feritle offspring.
and appearently a killer whale and dolphin can make fertile offspring.
the sterility of a hybrid depends a lot on how many chromasommes each genera has.
Horses and donkeys make infertile offspring because horses have 64 chromasommes and donkey's have 62. Mules have 63. They are infertile because their odd chromasomme has no pair during miosis.

[Gregg M]

Not all hybrids are infertile..... There are plenty of hybrids that are viable and give birth to viable young..... Hybrids are a real threat to captive populations because they can take over pure blood animals or make them harder to come by...... Also hybrids come with a bunch of other health issues including skeletal structure deformities most often found in the skull, intestinal and other soft tissue defects and somtimes infertility....

They can pollute the captive gene pool and cause these defects to snowball.....

Hybrids are bad news to the herp world..... Some will argue the fact and say stuff like "hybrid vigor"..... Hybrid vigor is a term coined by dog breeders when they outcross a pure bred into another breed to strengthen the genetics..... But as we all know, all breeds of dog are the same species so in actuality crossing breeds of dog, does not create hybrids..... It creates mutts....

Crossing reptiles of different species or even subspecies is a totally different ball game.....

If there was some sort of benefit to the offspring by breeding two different species together I would not have that much of a problem with it....

The only reason snake or reptile hybrids are created is to line the pockets of greedy breeders...... Plain and simple..... It is a selfish act and does nothing for the hobby but to help pollute the captive bloodlines......

[dank7oo]

Well .. the last two posts take care of my first point ... enough said.

i hate people who do it
I hate people who make sweeping generalizations.

Jason

[askaboutrep]

Wow, I didnt think this would bring up so much anger and bitterness!!
What if the cage is a nice size? Then would it matter? My cage is 3Lx3Wx4H with tons of trees and branches. Camilla, my veiled...she is only about 3.5 inches long not counting tail, and she's two and a half. I am not trying to make excuses to put them together. If they are together in the wild, a big enough cage should be able to incorporate them in captivity. (although I think my cage wouldnt be big enough).

[Collide]

No matter how big the cage is another anything in the cage will stress her out it is not good, veilds are very agressive as well even if she is timid to you dont mean that she will be timid in her taratory when a intruder enters, you either gonna end up with stressd animals (will lead to death eventually) or total aggression, veilds dont have many types of chameleons that live in there area, and any of those chameleons that do come from the same area are not common and hard to get, any other chameleons are gonna need different requirements and putting another cham in is not good, that being said it is not impossible to house 2 females in a large cage but this will depend on the temperment and ability of the keeper to know what sighns to watch for, the odds of finding 2 timid veilds isent good. My advice is to not add another chameleon, keeping more then one cham in a cage even with same species is dificult. for the benifit of your veild (or the cham that would join her) i would suggest against it

B

[galad]

sorry guys. I messed up big time with the hybrid infertile deal.
Thats what happens when you listen to other people without trying to find out for yourself.
Anyways my bad.
Learn something new everyday.

If you want more then one chameleon so bad just buy or build anouther cage for it. Simple solution to that probleme.

peace

ws

[dennis.epp]

I agree with what Gregg M says but I do not understand then why he has Gaboon/Rhino crosses which is a hybrid of the two species. Just a thought

[Gregg M]

Hey dennis,
Good question, and it deserves a good educated answer.....
The gaboon X rhinos I own are wild caught and are not being bred at this time......

Also gaboon X rhinos are natural intergrades that breed with quite a bit of regularity all over their natural ranges..... The cross may very well be subject to its own species classification because of the populations of them found within and outside of their overlapping range...... We shall see though......

[vipervenom]

Even inthe wild where chams have all the space they want (usually) they will still fight over territories, chameleons are for the most part solitary, period.

[askaboutrep]

She is very mean to me too, so I doubt she will be friendly with other chams either. No room for another cage in my house, so I guess that answers that.

[tHeGiNo]

Wow, I didnt think this would bring up so much anger and bitterness!!
What if the cage is a nice size? Then would it matter? My cage is 3Lx3Wx4H with tons of trees and branches. Camilla, my veiled...she is only about 3.5 inches long not counting tail, and she's two and a half. I am not trying to make excuses to put them together. If they are together in the wild, a big enough cage should be able to incorporate them in captivity. (although I think my cage wouldnt be big enough).

Whatever the case, two chameleons of opposing species or not generally should not be housed together. Although there may be one or more species of chameleon in a particular area of the world, they are not confined to a tiny enclosure together.