Albino Cresteds?

[babysweet]

Someone on a Rhac list (possibly here, possibly elsewhere) had mentioned in a post that they were pretty sure that there had been Albino cresteds bred overseas.

Does anyone have any confirmation of this? I've searched just about everywhere I can think of, but I've barely even found mention of albino rhacs..

Thanks!

[CDN-Cresties]

If there is, I haven't seen pics to proove it.

[clint545]

I'd think if there was one, they'd be showing it off! I know I would:)

[DragnDrop]

Considering how rare an albino Rhac of any kind would be, and how much some unworthy scum would love to steal it, I sure wouldn't mention it until I've managed to produce a few, which could be 5 years if it's a Leachianus :)
However, no matter how quiet you keep the news, unless you show it to NOBODY, word will leak out sooner or later, most likely sooner than you'd want. I haven't heard of any albino rhacs yet, haven't read about them anywhere online or out on this side of the PC monitor. THey might exist, but the chances are they won't show up for another few years. Rhacs are only captive bred for a relatively short time. Leos were being bred for around 20-25 years before the first ones showed up. Fatties weren't quite as long, but getting up there in years. Rhacs are only in about their 10th or 12th year, give or take, so there could still be a while to wait.
Captive breeding does increase the odds of producing albinos and other recessive traits, but if none of the captive breeding stock was het for that flaw, or nothing stimulated a spontaneous mutation, then we might be waiting a lot longer yet.

[babysweet]

Great points, DragnDrop.

I have a question I hope someone here can help me out with. Can anyone recommend a basic genetics/inheritance book/text to get me started? I have basic biology knowledge, but I'd like something to bring me back to the beginning, kind of a refresher course.

Information on dominant/recessive genes and the 'proving' of genetic traits is most important.

Also, if anyone knows where I can get my hands on the out-of-print Henkle Rhac Biology book, I'd REALLY appreciate it.. :D

Thanks again

[DragnDrop]

I'd contact Scotty Allen about the book. He always has a table at the PCPC shows, he's the official 'show librarian' :) Look up his profile in the members list and contact him, maybe he knows where to find a copy of it and can bring it to the show.

Genetics is a bit trickier. You have to know what traits in the geckos are linebred/selective and which ones are genetic - recessive, dominant, co-dominant. Once you know that, you can go to the GENETICS WIZARD (http://www.geneticswizard.com) and do some experimental crosses to get an idea of what's what.
There are also some good sites that explain basic genetics:

Geckos Etc. Herpetoculture - Genetics (http://www.geckosetc.com/htm/genetics.htm) is mostly meant for leopard geckos, but the workings of the genes would be the same, just the traits/names/morphs would be different.

If you're really into genetics, you will probably like Understanding Genetics (http://www.thetech.org/genetics/index.php)
It's based on human genetics, but again, the workings are the same.

Then there's Serpwidgets Genetics Info & Tutorial (http://www.serpwidgets.com/Genetics/genetics.html)
It's more towards cornsnakes, but it has great explanations of how genes work.

[babysweet]

As usual, DragnDrop, you are a WEALTH of useful information!

I've found a few sites that explain the possible outcome of several mixes of dominant/co-dominant, etc., but what I really need to know is how to decide which traits fall into which category. I apologize for my lack of genetics knowledge, but school was about a decade ago, and the majority of my knowledge is nutrition/medical in nature. Add to that the fact that most of my breeding knowledge is of mammals... hence my decision to start at the beginning.

Thanks a bunch for the recommendations (after a quick search it became apparant that choosing a few texts was going to be nothing more than a crapshoot) and thanks for the lead on the "show librarian" lol.

He and I met a year ago when we bought our ball... and a book to go with her. I don't forsee the possibility of actually finding a copy of the 'holy grail' of Rhac books.. ;) but I figure it's worth a try.

Thanks again (and again, and again, and again!)

[DragnDrop]

If you're looking for a current, in-print Rhac book, get "Rhacodactylus, The Complete Guide to their Selection and Care" by P de Vosjoli, F Fast and A Repashy.
It's got just about everything you'd want to know about Rhacs, except there's not much genetics though there is some mention of it.

[rhacogecko]

Even from top breeders, I've have not heard anything about an albionos crested ...

One thing, M. de Vosjoli told be there would be a new book, only for R. Ciliatus.

Has anyone heard news from this book ?

Thanks

Martin ;)

[CDN-Cresties]

I heard a while back on this forum from Anthony C that a new book was coming out. Thats the only news that I've heard.

[little_dragon_]

I remember him saying there was some albinos in germany or something..who knows..these geckos are extremely poly morphic lets not worry about albinos, lol