Difference?

[bigdave]

Could somone please tell me the difference between BCI and BCC boa's?

[knight45]

this site has alot of good info on all the sub species of bcc's and bci's

http://www.boa-constrictors.com/com/com.html

[Snake Pliscan]

BCC, Boa Constrictor Constrictor ; BCI, Boa Constrictor Imperator.
The first is your common red tail, the second is known as the Emperor or "Mexican" boa as it is native to northern Mexico, although it can be found along the west coast of South America

[Invictus]

I don't know where you're getting your information, Snake Pliscan, but you're dead wrong.

Boa Constrictor Imperator includes MANY localities of boa including Colombians, Hog Islands, Mexicans, and many more.

Boa Constrictor Constrictor are the "True Redtails", and include localities such as Guyana, Suriname, Peruvian, and Brazillian. What's the difference? Well, some argue none at all. Some argue that they should ALL be separated into subspecies. You know a true redtail when you see one though - their tails are usually just electric.

[HumphreyBoagart]

Originally posted by Invictus
I don't know where you're getting your information, Snake Pliscan, but you're dead wrong.



I couldn't agree more.

[Snake Pliscan]

Hey, lighten up alittle. Sorry Invictus, I didn't mean to call BCC "common". I have two. And while it is true that boas are no respectors of boundries, I was relating the general locality listed for boa constrictor imperator in "Red-tailed Boa" by Glen Drewnowski. Wrong, maybe, but not dead wrong.

[Invictus]

There is no "General locality" listed for BCI, since they are all over South and Central America. So your information was wrong. Sorry if you can't handle having mistakes pointed out.

[bigdave]

Thanks a lot knight45, that site you pointed out was a real help! :D

[Snake Pliscan]

Invictus:
This is a VERY big world we live in, so general locality is a relative concept. You seam to be more hung up on the exact wording than the principal idea. If you will PM me with the tilte of any informative books that you may have written on the subject, I will be more than happy to read it. I gave you the title of my source. According to a leading herp website, the term "red-tail" is applied to Columbians, (bci ?). This same site states that boa constrictor constrictor is the Columbian Red-tail.
I don't mind being corrected, but at least list your resources.
As this forum is designed to help each other out, can we dispense with contrite comments.

Thanks to knight45, the site was helpful for me also. Another one to check is www.boa-subspecies.com

bigdave: Good luck with whichever one you choose, they are very rewarding.

[Jeffry (nl)]

I think that the mainland Boa's are (really) a large group of BC ssp.
Just the locality and the variety of food is what makes the difference




The Island groups are another story........
Mainland Boa's will always crossbreed with one another.............(BCI with BCC and vice versa)

[knight45]

no problem

[RB420]

this may sound like a pretty stupid question, but could you breed a BCC and a BCI?

[Snake Pliscan]

No question is stupid if we learn something from the answer. I have known of carpet paythons and tree pythons mating, so I wouldn't think it would be any different for our friends bcc and bci since they are subspecies of the same species of the same family. But then, what do I know, the half dozen books I've read on boas don't mention it.

[HumphreyBoagart]

Montie,
They'll breed, but it is highly frowned upon in the herp world.

Snake Pliscan,
I haven't written any books either so I'm no pro, but I hate to be the one that breaks it to ya, Invictus is right, you are wrong.

[Invictus]

Oh, apparently we need to write a book in order to be correct about something. Interesting.

[RB420]

yeah i assumed it would be frowned upon, just curious if it was possible.... also, are all the same morphs available for BCC as there are for BCI....or any BCC specific morphs

[Snake Pliscan]

Invictus:
You don't have to write the book, just list your source so that you and I are on the same page.

HumphreyBoagart:
Please be more specific than Ivictus, and tell me what part of my statement was wrong. Is bci not native to north Mexico and western South America as stated in Glen Drewnowski's book? Or is it just that I didn't list all localities? This forum is for us herp lovers to "learn" and exchange ideas. I would be glad to sent you guys a list of the boa books I own so you can tell me which ones to throw out.
I have (1) Peruvian (3) Cloumbians, (1) Green Tree Python and (2)Carpets, All of which were bic ("Born in the USA") so you might say that my red-tails are "American Boas".

[Snake Pliscan]

Hey guys,
I forgot to mention; I'm from Missouri and they don't call it the "SHOW ME" state for nothing. lol

[HumphreyBoagart]

Sorry, I didn't feel it was necessary to "parrot" everything that Invictus said. I was just stating that I agreed with him, and disagreed with you.
It wasn't that you didn't list off the localities at all. It was that you were calling Bcc's "Common Redtails". I don't know maybe that's what you guys call them down there in the "show me" state, but up here we call Columbian Bci's "common redtails" and Bcc's are known as "true redtails".
Hump.

[Snake Pliscan]

Okay, I can understand the confusion. The book I was quoting from lists bcc under the heading "Common Boa". It also refers to them as "so called red-tails" because that is haw they are referred to in the pet trade. I had already apologized to Invictus for calling bcc "common", and would still like to know what your sources are so that I can add them to my library. I am no expert, but I do my homework. In several informational pieces that I have read, bcc and bci are each teferred to as Columbian Red-tails but not articles written by the same author.

[RB420]

any one got an answer to my morphs question about the two ?

[Snake Pliscan]

montie, Check out this web site; www.boa-subspecies.com

[HumphreyBoagart]

That's probably because there are both, Columbian Bcc's and Columbian Bci's.

[Snake Pliscan]

Yeah, according to what I read on www.boa-constrictor.com, columbian bcc is pretty rare, most columbians on the market are bci. Whould you agree? Do you know of anyone breeding columbian bcc?

[HumphreyBoagart]

Yep, I would agree, they are pretty rare. I have never heard of anyone owning one let alone breeding them, but that by no means doesn't mean anyone doesn't or isn't.