Taking SsnakesS.com back...

[HeatherRose]

Hey everyone.

In light of what has happened last night, and what's been happening for the past little with the moderators alone not being able to do anything with the site, it's being promised that from now on the site will be taken care of.

What do the members want?

In the past requests for new forums have been made, as well as requests for other changes. We'd like to hear what these requests are and give them to you.

We intend to update the front page and add forums that have been/will be requested by members...

I/we really want to see this site in the hands of the members, and I know this opinion is shared by many.

Please don’t let this post get out of hand; it’s for the good of the site. Bashing any further won’t get anyone anywhere, nor will it get our problems solved. Feel free to ask questions. If anyone has anything to say they don’t want to post, feel free to PM myself or any one of the other mods.

This process would take a few weeks, so please be patient.

-Heather

[DataRipper]

So its true that the site has sold out to the us?

[joey]

cool.

[clint545]

I'd like to see a forum that relates to diseases and illness!

[Joe]

The site is still run mainly by Canadians, with US influance it could only do good for the comunity... I have been on this site since it's infancy and seen it grow... it's not just a Canadian site anymore, this site has grown rather quickly and is a very knowledgable site... I for one am glad and happy the site is now being run by someone else and I feel it will only benifit...

[HeatherRose]

Awesome....

What does everything think the pros and cons to an 'emergency' help forum would be?

[coldblooded]

Good call... A disease and illness forum would be interesting.

[Alien_Regalis]

The site was sold yes. All of us moderators feel that the site needs to remain unique. sSNAKESs.com is not going to lose its personality, that wich has made it one of the top reptile forums in the world. Its each of you that has helped to make it such. Its each person on this forum that has helped to make ssnakess.com what it is today, not the owners. With all of us here we will continue to make ssnakess.com grow and make this an even greater place ( if such a thing can be ). This is why we want YOUR suggestions. What do you feel the site is missing? What would you like to see in the future?

[coldblooded]

The fact that everyone thinks they have an emergency....

And, by emergency help, do you mean: Help, my (insert species here) is wheezing, what should I do?

Mike

[joey]

Originally posted by HeatherRose
Awesome....

What does everything think the pros and cons to an 'emergency' help forum would be?

An 'emergency' forum would be extremely benefical for ANYone ---I think that's a stellar idea!

[Paleosuchus]

I really enjoy this site and did not want to leave, glad we are trying to work this out. The emergency help forum is a awesome idea and like said would help a great deal.
I would like to see a current event type forum where if there is a change in genus etc... it can be discussed. Such as the Elaphe to Pantherophis.

-Jason

[Wizwise2000]

Yes, I'm with the "Emergency" forum being a good idea too. Really good idea.

Shane

[kcpets]

how about this idea......lets keep ssnakess a canadian site so canadian herps can continue to build and not be over shadowed by hudge us breeders

[Big Mike]

The problem with an emergency forum is that there are too many conflicting opinions around here. Just the other day, I got a few suggestions for treating a suspected RI. Some suggestions were completely opposite of some others...how is someone supposed to figure out anything when that happens? If an emergency forum were to work, I think it would have to be moderated by a qualified Herpetologist or Doctor of Veterinary Medicine.

A better idea might be to have a place for articles or links to what to do in sickness/illness situations. Or at least something pointing to the search functions.

I think anything that gets people to use the search function would be beneficial. How many times do the same questions get asked over & over again?

[Shad0w]

Just a comment... After seeing how long the home page has been stagnant, it sure is impressive how quickly the PCPets banner was removed from the ssnakess home page.

Dispite the fun Ive had on ssnakess, my loyalty remains with Grant and the boys at PCPets. Off to www reptiles / canada dot com :)

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

It' s a shame these recent events happened for whatever reason. I am not taking sides because I feel there is more than enough room for multiple forums to exist. I see no reason to tackle issues others brought up and believe that we as a membership have to keep repeating and using negativity surrounding these issues. I agree the membership makes these and other sites strong, there are pros and cons on this strength but I will not go into it.

I hope this site and others can operate equally as each of these forums are a wealth of knowledge to past, present and future members and viewers.

I guess the biggest issue I feel that does not belong here is the hobby politics. We all know they exist, but we don' t know the actual information or history in them. And in the end what does it really matter because there are emotions involved and these circumstances boil from that alone. Nobody is innocent in this but it takes true character to put this aside and live in peace. Sure for some of us this is business and being a small market in Canada competition is tight. But for others its a hobby that has some gains with information, friendships, and sharing of the love for the hobby.

I guess what I am saying is if the site is revamping itself and trying to be open to the membership and wanting to improve itself, then the issues of HOBBY POLITICS between members should be controlled and stopped.

I apologize to the membership as a whole and say sorry and it will not happen again, as I am focused on my hobby and other parts of my life and I can not be involved in the hobby as an active member. I will still be a member to all these forums but will do like many others who love the hobby but stay away from the politics.

I hope everyone accepts my apology or least lets the past be the past. I am not looking for a reply or comment just thought I would say sorry and leave it at that.

[Joe]

Its not really a matter of loyalty, and im sure as soon as all this is dealt with Grants banner and many other things will be back up and running... there is no war here, these comunity's are all here for the same reason, to educate people, ssnakess.com isn't out to get anyone nor is the other sites, there has been a bit of confusion on the site lately and everything is being worked out and I sincerly hope we as a comunity can deal with this in a mature way..

[augerdvm]

I think that an emergency forum would be beneficial as long as the topics are TRULY emergencies.....this could be abused and "like the boy who cried wolf" ..will make`people ignor the threads....

ie... a missing snake is not considred an emergency but a rectal prolapse would be etc. etc.

remember that 95% of emergencies should be dealt with through your herp vet FIRST.... time is of the essence in some instances....to be honest the time delay between posting and getting a reply could be the difference between life & death...

Use this forum for what its intended for......and no bashing

Just my opinion

[HeatherRose]

:rolleyes: Sometimes I think they should teach reading in school.

That's really immature Shadow. There is no animosity towards the 'other site' at all. I am just as active there as here.

If you'd read what was in the other thread, you'd know that the current team had nothing whatsoever to do with removing/banning/deleting anything.

This thread is here to be productive and to benefit, not bash. I expect this to be my last comment on the matter within this thread, now let's just brainstorm, ok?

[Shad0w]

LOL HeatherRose,

Like I said.. was just a comment ;)
My personal feeling is Id rather support a 100% canadian run and owned site.

And honestly.. if there were no animosity to the other site.. WHY filter out reference to it? Cant even post its URL :) Hmm.. would that be called censorship if its not animosity? :)

[Joe]

that wasnt done by the mods on this site and im sure will be corrected soon!

[kcpets]

Im with Shadow. it was fun while it lasted. It just a matter of time before the US invasion begins and the canadian influce is lost. It's a shame as this was a great place for canadian herpers to get information, and lets not forget building friendships with other canadians. Also it is hard to believe that good people who have been supporting ssnakess with donations and have been buying photo hosting have all of the sudden been erased. The Moderators need to remeber that the canadain herpers are much closer to each other then in the states in general we all know each other and if one person gets screwed it doesn't take long to get around. Good luck ssnakess with the US market as canada wants a canadian site for canadain herpers. My new home page will be **************. thats it unless ssnakess stays canadian.

[Shad0w]

I have nothing against the mods.. I know some of them personally and they good people...

What does not sit well is the fact that ssnakes.com prided itself on being a canadian owned site...

This is taken right from the ssnakess.com home page statement:

"Although alot of our members are Canadian, we also have members from all over the globe! sSnakeSs.com isn't only for Canadians, but we do our best to provide Canada with some of the things American sites have, but we don't"

Sort of funny huh?
The purpose of ssnakess was to have a canadian owned site that offers what the american sites have...

I guess thats gone now.
If anyone still believes in that original statement... I guess they would move on.

I have nothing against our brothers to the south, but I take pride in whats Canadian.

[kcpets]

who is with me ?

[Tim and Julie B]

Originally posted by HeatherRose
:rolleyes: Sometimes I think they should teach reading in school.

LOL .......I think.....oh nevermind I don't think I am in a position to say anything my user ID got ....not banned or erased by turned into a guest book. With good reason. I don't blame Jeff one bit but it wasn't by my actions, all I wanted was some answers so I hope no one has a problem with me being here. As you can see I am here as a single member now. If they do just let me know. I still don't know what the hell went on but i don't really like either sites. I am not a complainer. I just ethically don't like the "change" on this site. But I have issues with the other. I am not going to say I won't post much because I can't keep my mouth shut when people need help or want to have a good discussion about a species. I am Irish we can not control the gift of the gab. :D Oh has anyone cracked the super secret stealth code of my member name??? LOL BT

[joey]

"Im with Shadow. it was fun while it lasted. It just a matter of time before the US invasion begins and the canadian influce is lost"

You know, I really resent that. You don't have a clue, so just come off as a bigot. Bright. :rolleyes:

...you ought to just head off to that 'other' site man and just forget it.

[Joe]

as stated before... the site is still going to be run by Canadians and for Canadians... this site was built by it's members influance and will stay that way, nothing is going to change unless you people want it too!

[Tim and Julie B]

Oh as far as suggestions.......updating the home page regularly would help make it look better and give the impression that it's not been abandoned. As far as forums I think that you will run into lots of trouble with the disease forum as much as I would like one. As previously stated we are not vets and there are liability issues.

[coldblooded]

It's a shame as this was a great place for canadian herpers to get information

People make me laugh. I don't think the info is going to be different for (as an example) a Canadian kept corn snake and an American kept corn snake. The information is still the same.


Truth to tell, I am probably useless in a brainstorming thread as my brain hasn't been working since the gov't began controlling my thoughts years ago... ;)

Everything I can think of is already covered...

Mike

[CORN_SNAKE91]

as for adding things some care sheets arent even working and were brought to the attention of mods and they havent done anything to fix it or at least tell administration... i agree with .B miT<-- that the home page should be updated

[HeatherRose]

As I mentioned, the current mod team has had NOTHING TO DO with the censoring, and I have been told it will be dealt with soon.

[HeatherRose]

as for adding things some care sheets arent even working and were brought to the attention of mods and they havent done anything to fix it or at least tell administration...

How many times can I say this?? The mods had no power to do anything... the admin was obviously MIA. This has changed now, and the site will be taken care of.

If the 'mods haven't done anything' it's because we/they couldn't.

[CORN_SNAKE91]

im not hating the mods, u've guys done a great job! I'm just baffled that administration wont fix things up and wont take care of a well rounded site

[HeatherRose]

Well, they are promising to take care of the site. I would NOT be here still if I personally did not think they had the sites best interest in mind. Trust me.

[CORN_SNAKE91]

promises are broken especially by people i dont know

ill just have to wait and see, but that doesnt mean they should ban a sites name

[HeatherRose]

I pmed you...

I can't say this enough... they didn't star out the name and are working to do something about it.

[CORN_SNAKE91]

yep...

EDIT is it the moderators that will change the site or the admin.?

if its the admin. why doesnt he/she not ask us instead of moderators asking?

[Alien_Regalis]

Once again I must stress the fact that it is not the owners that made this site what it is. Its the members, all of you that have made ssnakess.com great. This site is still canadian. sSNAKESs.com is still THE place for everything canadian reptile related. This will not stop. sSNAKESs.com has its own personality, its set aside from the rest of the reptile websites out there. But again, you have to remember that its not the owners that sets it aside, its YOU. You are the face of ssnakess.com.

In addition we are setting up another ssnakess.com chat room on ReptiChat.com you can access it at www.reptichat.com you can find further discussions about this there.

[justinO]

Jeff, It has been mentioned a bunch of times in the past, but one of my only pet peeves about the site are the classifieds.

It REALLY bugs me when someone posts an ad for something and leaves out all the important information. I think it should be a requirement for ALL classified ads to have:

1) location
2) price ( example, "i've got a ball for sale, pm me for details").. its an annoyance. It just adds too much time.

It is good to see the admin is willing to listen to its members and willing to make positive changes.


Cheers,
Justin & Jessy

[Shane Tesser]

Actually i form with must have info for such things as classifieds might be a simple solutions. Basically have an order that stuff has to be filed in. For example...what your selling, price, yours location, quantity, your email or other contact info etc etc.

Oh yeah, incase ive gone quite un-noticed....im baaaack!

[nareptiles]

I agree this is still a good site and I will continue to post adds here and now I might be able to actually get ahold of someone for advertising.It would have been nice to know the site was for sale ,because I would have liked to have bought it myself.I have noticed since moving back to Canada after 13 years of living in the Usa that the herp comunity here is alot different .The people here are more of a close knit comunity which is a good thing ,in the states it is a real cut throat busines and alot of politics are involved.Here in Canada people take alot more pride in what they are selling you and everything I have bought or have had traded in has been in excellent condition.It is not who owns the site that counts ,it is the people on it that make a difference.
nareptiles@cogeco.ca

[HeatherRose]

if its the admin. why doesnt he/she not ask us instead of moderators asking?

I've been talking to the admin/Jeff all day. I just volunteered to post the post, after he checked it over.

[HeatherRose]

Shane is that form doable here? Or do you need the new Vbulliten software?

[Joe]

welcome back Shane.... missed ya buddy!

[Shane Tesser]

Heather, i have one in the works of aTa right now. Its actually something that a member of mine suggested and i thought what a great idea. It could even extend to such things as questions reguarding health. Think about it, weed through the usual questions. People would simply post things such as temp range, amount of light and what type....type of heading, feeding, what size of food, type of enclosure...and a description of what the problem with the herp is...ie R.I.

Its still in the works on my site...but i could adapt it here im quite sure. So leave it with me....that is, if ppl think its a good idea, and ill see if i can put something like that into action! Your thoughts......your site, let me know :)

[Shane Tesser]

Joe, we must have answered at the same time...thanks man...and yes i know i still owe you a beer! Or is it a couple of dozen by now lol!!!

[greenman1867]

This is all just to weird for me. None of these supermods/admin have been around for months (well 3 as I know it) and now there is a problem they are coming out of the wood work. I am glad you are all aking an interest but wow, why wait til the ship starts sinking? I was totally and truely amazed when Jeff/Admin came on and said he didn't even have an account anymore. Wow, thats a true lack of interest.

Good job you are all back, hope it works out. This is/was a great forum with fantastic people. Not to mention the wealth of info already here.

Shawn

[bighillreptiles]

Over the last few days this sit looks more like a soap opra than a reptile site . The only thing that bug's me is that the site owner did not care enough for the site to step up to the plate and let the ones that made the site what it is know what was going on in the first place and not let things get this far out of hand , Time will tell but I take pride in being Canadian not the American and i still fell like the site has sold out to the USA

[JAdkins2451]

I am personally dont have anything against the mods or the site. I will continue to be a member here, if it wasnt for this site I wouldnt know half the stuff I do. I think its great that people are being patriotic and are loving Canada. But just because this site was sold to the states dosent mean its still not " canadian ". I also wanted to know what was going on with the admin, and he have found out that they are going to take care of the site. I belive the mods will contiue to do a great job.
Just my 2 cent

Jamie

[Bartman]

I personally dont care who or how or whatever this site was sold to, but its crap that all the owners of the site didnt give a crap about its members and hid in the shadows while the mods tried as hard as they could to keep us calm.

I'd hate to leave here, but I think Reptiles Cannada will be way better and its owners, as of now at least, really care for its members. How can you run a site when the person who makes all the changes/decisions is never there....

[evil11]

i just joined this site a little over a week ago. im in the US. i thought to myself that this is a really good site. the people are cool. but after reading all this US stuff i feel like an outsider and US people really arn't wanted. :(

[joey]

...don't worry anout it evil11. I'm from the US too and I think the people who have probs with 'our kind' are leaving anyway. They are just using american members to blame it on. Shame on them---they're clueless.

Stick around, I am.

[clint545]

still can't get over the whole Canada/US thing myself. We're all here for a common purpose aren't we? Oh well, keep on truckin':)

[DragnDrop]

Originally posted by joey
They are just using american members to blame it on. Shame on them---they're clueless.

Heck, just learn to love poutine and we won't know you're different. ;)

Maybe it's just a major case of cabin fever. Things will settle down before long. I'm confident ssnakess will live long and prosper.

[greenman1867]

It's not the US members. It's that the site was sold to US interests. If you look back at the vast majority of your posts evil11 you will know that there is no real hard feelings to our non Canadian friends. I think alot of people are putting their emotions into words which are not coming across as intended.

Canadians in general have a big chip on their shoulders when it come to the US a a whole, but not towards individuals. IMO it's really more of a little brother complex than anything.

Regardless, be assured there are no hard feelings towards any US people, just the US $$$ which bought out the site.

Shawn

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

After reading more into all this situation from a few threads I can understand why the members are upset. More so because the administration had things in the works and kept it from the people who made this site great - members, posters, advice givers and helpers, supporters, advertisers and the team of moderators that tried their best to keep things calm and civil. Sure we can' t all get along and this also means members / moderators, but over all and in general the team did a great job.

Making comments that the site has gone American or sold out is mighty strong words that are directed to the administration and new owners I think. But members that are American are also offended by these comments. And they should be because we as the Canadian community are not really stating in detail just generalizing and that is not really fair.

To all American members, I hope these comments don' t change your view of the forum and Canada' s reaction to the current events. As you can see we are a bit upset but this is not directed to you. This forum was one of the best Canadian forums for many reasons but a major one in my mind was that we are a small community and this place was like a meeting place for people who enjoy reptilian pets, we do the chat, info and sharing advice and photos like any forum but this particular one was a popular one for us. I am member to many USA sites as well and again all are great each has something great about it.

I think I read something about worrying this site will be over run commercially by Americans now, that may happen....but what does that really matter. I and many others agree once in awhile we see some new website and animals that are in the USA and praise that. Even some of us actually venture forward and import beautiful animals that become established here in Canada. So I think in the end we are just one large community that has its goods / bads but we all have 1 similarity and that is gaining the knowledge to provide the best for our animals.

Final note leave the political (this / that) out of it, and lets help this and all other forums evolve into the best information on the net. There is enough room for everyone, and a little diversity is how we are evolve, and grow.

:D

[bighillreptiles]

I haave no problam with the USA just don't like It when all of the Things we as Canadians work for go south like ower Jobs and things of that nature I could care less where or who Picked up the tab It should of stayed in canada Or at least given us canadians first chance not one person like Jeff said he offered It to and keeping all of the members and suporter in the dark for so long and letting the Mods take the heat for his mistakes .Sorry if i ofended anny one from the USA but It is not there falt at all Jusst the admins that don't give a **** abought anny thing except them selfs

[evil11]

well thanks everyone for clearing that up :) so far i like everybody here. i am not offended. i just didn't want to stay if i wasn't welcome here. i belong to like 7 sites and this one is one of my very favorites so far.

[SnakeyeZ]

Oh boy, leave the computer for a few days..and things are all blown up. In my opinion who cares if its american owned...or canadian owned...we all herpers anyways, what does where we live hafta do with anything anyway?
I know quite a few americans on here and I treat them the same as I would another canadian. Its a forum with PLENTY of room for everyone..the more users there is, the more information and opinions we get!
So if we cant all get along under one roof...why do we bother comming here? Im canadian and I moderate another american room..and see no harm in it. Just my thought...

Think this whole discussion got a little bit off topic...but doesnt it always...

[evil11]

and us herpers need to stick together :)

[SnakeyeZ]

Thats right...if all were goin todo is complain and argue with each other on a reptile forum.... and sound like a bunch of kids ..THATS whats detering the people...not the moderation or adminstration.

[evil11]

so lets get back to the important things....snakes :)

[sapphire_moon]

Ok, ummm, I am TOTALLY and completely confused!!

What Happened? Why was the site sold? who was it sold to? why was it sold to the US? (Everythign sold to the US goes bad
:( )

I gtg to work. I hope I see answers when I get back!

[CHRISANDBOIDS14]

I for one never cared about where another herper was from, and Im sure most of us "northern guys"(canadians), dont care. But I think why people are mad (and are directing their comments toward americans) is because:

A) "Left in the dark"

B) In Canada, the herp community is so much smaller, so everyone knows everyone else pretty much, as was mentioned earlier. There is such a large american herp community compared to Canada, and there are many american site, so there was American Pride because the US had their own US owned/operated sites, but Canada didnt really have any, and this site seemed to be the best one created, ofcourse we still had some american friends(and people from othe places) in it, but it was really a piece of Canadian Pride, and now it was sold to US owners. It killed the pride. Also, everyone is mad because of the fact that is is owned by IguanaFarms.com and some other places that we as a herp community dont like.

C.

[justinO]

Shane, do you know if there will be any opportunity to upgrade photohosting?

thanks,
Justin

[Vengeance]

I think one of the reasons I no longer want to support the site is not the fact that it was sold to an American company, but what that company that it was sold to stands for. From the donate, paypal button on the front page, you are donating to IguanaDepot.com, myself personally, I do not want to support a company that supports the breeding or importation or Iguanas being that they are one of the most abandoned herps out there.

American, Canadian, German, I could care less but I personally would not want to support or be associated with a site that is owned by such a company. So although I may check in here every so often, I definitely will not ever be donating to this site again and will not be putting forth much of an effort to remain active here either.

[sapphire_moon]

wooooooow.
WHO was ssnakess.com sold to? WHY was it sold? WHEN was it sold?

[JAdkins2451]

I belive it was sold to an Iguana Farm, I dont know why or when.. But this is what I got out of what happend last night.

Jamie

[katev17]

Sooo... about those suggestions...

Maybe there could be a literature forum... To share any books or magazines or something that you find really helpful and interesting?

I dunno, it might be getting too picky, but I think it would be pretty cool.

Anyways, since Heather CLEARLY stated that this was not the place to discuss anything other than suggestions to improve the site... I will refrain from making any other comments.

Mmmmm..... getting back to normalcy.....
Kate

[katev17]

*ahem* CLEARLY STATED...*ahem*

[Jason Wakelin]

I registered September 21, 2002. Since then I've not had a whole lot to say, or less than 100 posts. But, pretty much every day since that beginning I would "pop by" to look at what was going on. Heck (no screw that) HELL, ssnakess has even been my homepage for the last 6 months or so. So am I staying? NO WAY!!

I feel lied to, cheated, and decieved. This site was sold out. Not only to an American company, but to an Iguana farm! I can't be the only person who believes that "pet" Iguanas are a bane to this hobby. And to support this farming by posting or reading this forum, why would anyone (American or Canadian) do it?

America is a big country. No matter what your politics are you are still American, and that is a brother/sisterhood. More people live in California than all of Canada. So this little piece of Canada is gone. I have nothing in particular against Americans, Germans, the English, Indians, Africans, or anyone at all for that manner. But, given the chance to support my brothers and sisters I will do so, wouldn't you?

Jeff and Shane you can come back now to do your masters bidding. It is so strange that until the mass exodus started to happen you have been absent for a long, long, very long time. So keep your contract, try to use your name and reputation so "save this site". I will have none of it.

My last post,
Jason Wakelin
Gecko and Frog Keeper/Breeder
Canadian

[evil11]

Iguana Farms are as bad as burm breeders. my nephew owns a pet shop and iguanas are dropped off left and right. he cant even sell them. the same with burms. i will not and can not ever support either thing.

[Shane Tesser]

Iguana's are the tip of the iceburg. Lets look logically at the animals sold everyday. This is common place for everything from dogs and cats, to fish and rodents. Its a simple supply and demand. If no one wanted them.....you wouldn't see them. If ppl knew more about care, realized their growth potential, read up on their dietary requirements....then alot less ppl would probably buy one in the first place! Your statements about Iguana's are backwards. If you produce a product, you don't go out, make as much as you can of that product and force it onto the market......if no one wants it...you wont be able to sell it! If there is demand in "X" number for this product...you produce that much to succeed! No company just makes a product in hopes that it will sell.....that's called putting yourself out of business. Does McDonalds make 10,000 big mac's in the morning knowing that they may only sell 300??? I doubt it! So whats the solution here that ppl have. I think this is the biggest question. Ban them outright??? I know some very big herp keepers....including ones on this site that have iggies....and ill tell you, alot of them are very very well looked after....a joy to own for these ppl with their great personalities and extremely loved. Should we not allow access to these ppl??? While we are at it, lets start going after dog and cat breeders! How many of those go home with ppl not prepared.....what happens to them? They become strays, or get dumped off in the country on some road somewhere! Its such a bad problem that you will be hard pressed to find a city or town that doesn't have a shelter for these animals....and full time staff that goes to pick them up and rescue them!!!

For those of you who believe your dealing and supporting an evil empire that sells iguana's only....please give your heads a shake! Your dealing with one of the largest reptile dealers, dry goods producers, worms, crickets, and decorations producers out there!!! A company who wants to see this site, this hobby flourish. A company that will spend much needed dollars here, provide access to stuff that no other site can. This is just early stages and clean up. Alot goes on behind the scenes and its unfortunate that we all can't take part! What we can do is help steer this site into a positive direction......we are asking for the community to tell us what they want! Its your site, you use it!!! Do you see a bunch of corporate executives here posting polls, pie graphs and wondering what the bottom line is??? NO!!! Use your heads!

[PYTHONS N BOAS]

Shane, I just lost any respect for you I ever had. And I wonder why suddenly you are back and helping the site out, was it in a contract?

People like Jason, that kind of thing is what I respect.

The company is a terrible company, not only do they sell mass produced reptiles like Iguanas and turtles to the pet market, but the guy who bought this site also runs a food business, and they sell "food and medicine" from their reptile farms to all over the world.

They don't care about the hobby, they care about their wallets - this is not news, do a couple of searches on Fauna and other places for Flukers and Howard Chan. I had posted a link earlier that got taken down.

If that is what you want to support, keep posting, I will not.

Also, I don't think it is an American company anyways - so all this talk about Americans is poinltess.

Ryan (used to be scales zoo)

[tdherper]

I cant believe the ridiculous and petty idiocy about the site being purchased by US interests. I am reading messages from people that cannot even spell simple words properly, written while they climb up on their soapboxes and proclaim how they have been duped or screwed by the sale of this site. Its ridiculous, period.
I have been a member of this site since I used it to "give" a couple of my friend's snakes to a good home. I was successful in finding them a home, and had many inquiries about them from members. Since then, I have visited the site daily and enjoy my time here very much. BTW, the same person who took my free snakes, then sold them for profit. BHR, you cant spell, but you sure pulled one over on me.....
I value all the reptile expertise in these forums, but this ridiculous claim of selling out to the US is annoying. Many have complained about the admin being unavailable, obviously life has many facets, and unfortunately somethings certainly have been more pressing for them than this site. Maybe a change of ownership is good for the site, let's give it a try.
As mentioned before, it's the members that made this site what it was and is, Canadian, American, Swiss, Dutch, Latin American, and so on. We all love reptiles, and come to this site to share and observe each others thoughts, knowledge, and wit.
I also share the viewpoint of how comical it is when people make their final post for the 50th time.....those of you who hate this site so much, leave, no one is forcing you to stay. And to all of you I feel I know through the daily interactions on this site, I look forward to continuing our online community that has become a part of the daily routine.
Thanks for your time....

[Manitoban Herps]

I also will not be coming back...

[Shad0w]

WOW,

Ryan is banned because he voices an opinion and provides some facts?

This is a new low...

[Son of Creature]

It's a shame a Canadian icon was sold to foreign interest, but largely irrelevant as the Canadian comminity still has a great site which their own at the other site. The real issue is that it was sold to Flukers, a freaking Iguana farm! which share's Jeff's views of 'this isn't about the community, it's just business'. Just because they sell overpriced petstore products to the general hobbiest, doesn't mean they give a damn, and you are seriously naieve if you think they do.

About dogs and cats in the street, well this is about reptiles, and we can and should make an effort to keep our own house in order. Would a respected AKC site sell to a puppy mill? that is the parallel.

To those who say it's about the members and the people what makes a good site, DAMN STRAIGHT IT IS!!!! and the previous ownership didn't think enough about the community or the members enough to reply to them or even answer their mods until members started leaving en-mass, and that is likely because it hurts the terms of their sale, like Jeff said "this is business".

You can't honestly say "ok well everything will be back to normal, it's all good" when most (not all) of the mods who tried to hold things together feel strongly enough to have left?

What would I like to see from ssnakess.com? How about starting with accountability from the former and current ownership instead of lip service, and maybe Flukers (if they really did give a damn) hear our voice and drop the iguana farms, and just sell their over priced dry goods which they make a killing on anyway. And perhaps we can all close our eyes and wish really hard the green sea turtle and the Jamaican cyclura will be removed from the endangered species list. It's just about as realistic.

Gary D.

[Alien_Regalis]

LOL no iguanas are sold by that company for meat.

This site is still canadian. American interests in ssnakess.com makes it no less canadian. Some of you seem to forget sometimes that its not who owns it or how it looks. Its the people and its the content that make the site. There are some great people here that have a wealth of knowlege to share. The site isnt going to change except maybe to update the software and start updating the front page again.

I could try to defend an iguana farm but theres no need. An iguana farm is just that. I wonder at times what makes any of us better than an iguana farm. I mean...how many of you have bred burmese pythons, ball pythons or even Bci? Ive bred all of them in the past. While I may have worked hard to ensure that all of them made it to good homes, does that make me better than an iguana breeder? Hell, ball pythons are brought imported by the thousands every year from farms in ghana. Blood pythons, bci and many others are collected in the same manner.

Yes, when you click the donation button it now goes to iguanadepot. This site is not american and is still the best forum around. Back in the day Jeff and Shane put alot of hard work into the lay out of ssnakess.com. Many others helped with this. But the attitude of ssnakess.com, its personality, is all of you. It has nothing to do with the owner. Have you guys noticed perhaps that on a few of the reptile website rank systems ...ssnakess.com is #3 and #4.... This means there is a whole lot of you coming to ssnakess.com. This is competing against websites like faunaclassifieds and reptibid as well as many others. Those are some statistics to be proud of. One way to look at it is that kingsnake aside...this is the #2 reptile forum in the world !!! Thats a nice claim to be able to make....there are many american forums....many...but this one is smaller than only one of those wich is faunaclassifieds. Its not the new owner that created those numbers its all of you. This is still a strong place and will continue to be. There are many fun and informative years ahead of all of us here at ssnakess.com. I for one cant wait.

[Gregg M]

In all the years I have been posting on this site I have never been insulted until I read this thread..... It is funny how when a situation comes up you get to see peoples true feelings.....

What is with all this anti-American talk going on???? This is unreal...... Alot of very good info is posted here...... The thing is it is not just posted by Canadians...... Us Americans do a great job of putting info out on these forums as well...... Just take a look at the venomous forum..... I would say that 80% of the relavent info posted there is done by us lowly Americans......

Hey, whatever...... I know who the REAL people and true friends are on these forums.... Canadian, American, or otherwise.....

I am just glad I got to see the true colors of the senceless bigots on this site..... Thanks for showing your ugly head......

[CORN_SNAKE91]

ok so far i have seen numerous flame threads and post about canadians and americans, and still no change to the site....

when will the site be updated and changed? why has the photo contest been deleted?

i would like to see ssnakess.com improve, i really do....

[Alien_Regalis]

Gregg!!! Its about time you showed your face ;)

I have to agree in some sense. I think americans add alot of input here and its a shame to see so much anti american sentiment. We are neighbors in this great world.

[DataRipper]

Gregg M .. I dont think it is a us/canada thing.. atleast i don't think so..it more of a thing about the people in general..like all i have heard is bad things about them..

But who know.. I think the site should be US/Canada.. like it is and always was..

[CORN_SNAKE91]

it wasnt always canadian and american! its a global site! although americans and canadians make up most of the site there are people from all over the world! please put that into consideration before you say anything

[DataRipper]

like i said it was always US and Canada.. the way it should be

[Gregg M]

Alien, Its good to see you too....

This is one of the many sites I visit and give info that I have gotten over the years of keeping reptiles..... I realy like this site because of the people here...... I could give a rats @$$ who owns it...... We all have a common interest and that is reptiles..... I feel I was not loyal to this site but I was loyal to the people who make the site what it is...... Just about everyone I met here were great people and most of them I consider to be friends wether they were Canadians, Americans, or whatever else..... Just do me a favor, if my friends on this site go somewhere else, let me know where you are going...... And again, I do not care who owns it.....

It realy is not a Canadian vs American thing but some of the people posting are turning it into that......

I will continue to post here and give out as much info as I can...... I will also continue to learn from others on this site...... This was a great place to hang out and it can still be......

[Son of Creature]

If you thought my post was aniti american, you are mistaken I have many American friends and participate on other American forums too. And I sure as he** don't want to exclude Americans from participating or make them feel unwanted. I agree it is sad that there appears to be some who do, but as I mentioned that is not the point. The point is it was sold to an iguana farm, (selling the animals for food or not, doesn't make a difference. IMO bombing them into the pet trade exclusively is no better) and how the former ownership showed no respect to it's members or it's mods. They have yet to appologise to any of their financial supporters, and are simply snow jobbing with the latest in "this is your site what do you want to see". Guess what that ship has sailed, members for the last year have been saying what they wanted and the only answer they got was "sorry the mods don't have the power to make it happen, and the owners aren't replying to us".

This site IS truly 100% Canadian after all. Just like federal election time everyone's willing to forget all the crap and lies of the last year, and openly accept the new empty promises. That is the Canadian way is it not. Congratulation I'm convinced now.

GD

[selacs]

It's too bad that some amercians are picking up on the negative vibes going along with the sale of this site, they were not meant for you I am sure.

Alien:

Was the site sold to Flukers?

Do you work for Flukers?

Is Flukers based out of El Salvador?

Is there going to be any formal heart felt appology for what has been going on. Mods left in the dark? Advertising funds not going towards advertising? Mass bannings of some of them lists best members?

It is getting kind of late for damage control, and it seems a few are just digging the hole deeper. Why not start a thread that deals with the serious issues at hand, and discuss them.

Would you rather it be done over at Fauna, where a lot of people will be able to comment about certain things for everyone to see forever?

JimBob

[DragnDrop]

Ryan, um, ... Selacs, sorry.... what does all this have to do with ssnakess? Would you confront any business person in your town for selling all or part of his business to someone? Do yo really feel you need to know all the details? Does being a member of an internet forum give you the right to demand he spill all his personal private matters to you? Does knowing all the info about Flukers make ssnakess a better place? I thought this was a forum for discussion of reptiles and related animals. Since when did it become a forum for international business development and debate?

Why not just drop this? You're starting to look rather foolish keeping this up. You've had your fun, now it's time for a nap. Go finish your milk and cookies, curl up with your blankie.

[selacs]

And you keep on being a mod of this site, I hope you feel good about it I know I sure as hell wouldn't.

JimBob

[DragnDrop]

Well, I guess that's the difference between you and me. Sometims you like to stir things up, sometimes I like to calm them down.
It's a tough job, but somebody has to do it. I'm here for ssnakess... ssnakess the forum.... the place to hang out and discuss herps.

[coldblooded]

Wow, you guys are horrible... every thread starts out different, but ends up the same...

It's too bad. I enjoyed myself here.

Bye

Mike

[coldblooded]

Can my account, if that's what you call it, be deleted please.


Thanks,

Mike

[HeatherRose]

Why are posts being removed?

[sSNAKESs.com]

It would be very much appreciated if this thread could stay on topic. This thread was NOT started as a complaint thread. This was started as a way to give members a place to be heard about what they would like to see done with the site.

[Ryan23]

I was about to ask the same thing.

I am a long time member that just wanted to know why we weren't being treated with the respect we deserve as the ones who make this site what it was.

[Son of Creature]

Whoa!!!!!! I mention responsibility to the advertisers and legal responsibility and it evapourates. Hmmmm. I guess the truth hurts, and should be hidden from the members. Gee that shows respect. And for what it matters, my first post did mention what I would like to see from the site, accountability!!!!! And it was a mod that changed the topic for the record.

[Ryan23]

It would be very much appreciated if this thread could stay on topic. This thread was NOT started as a complaint thread. This was started as a way to give members a place to be heard about what they would like to see done with the site.

Actually we are expressing what we'd like to see done with the site.........for the Admin. to start taking responsibility for their actions or lack thereof!!!!!

[Ciddian]

Originally posted by katev17
Sooo... about those suggestions...

Maybe there could be a literature forum... To share any books or magazines or something that you find really helpful and interesting?

I dunno, it might be getting too picky, but I think it would be pretty cool.


Kate

I like that sugestion! :) I would love to see maybe a list of "must haves" on your shelf. There are also so many great articals in the reptile magazines as well. I like refeering to those books sometimes because of the different answers i tend to get on here. Somtimes makes it hard to know what is right and what isnt.
Its kinda nice to be able to second a sugestion with a good artical or book.

[Tim and Julie B]

OK I have to say I really like Shane (you are a good person) but I have to disagree with your statement on supply and demand. The only real reason there is such a high demand is the general public knows nothing about reptiles or their care. People can come into a pet store, look at a sav monitor and say "oh look at the iguana." They don't know. There was a time in the 70's and 80's were iguanas were the most popular pet lizard, we all know how that tuned out, so that is what people are used to seeing. Having no clue that most iguanas were kept is less then good conditions. ask any herper out there and they will tell you that iguanas should definitely not be kept by the general public. Just the amount of room needed most people can't provide. Yet still people want them. Nothing PO's me more then some (insert colourful phrase here) selling iguanas at a reptile show to anyone with $25. You can say supply and demand, that is honestly correct, but who is demanding them? Does it justify sending in mass quantities of what's already known to be a troubled reptile in this industry? And lets face it every society and reptile rescue uses the abandoned iguana stigma for complete bans of all or certain reptiles which I have fought my bum off trying to stop. This is what the site is about, trying to move the herp community forward together as a whole. Sometimes the ends don't justify the means but like anyother business it's money. But if we the members of this industry don't at least stand up and have our say about the quality and ethics of this market then we have been fighting a useless war trying to get the respect for reptiles that they deserve. That is how most people that feel.
It is not a US thing although I noticed that keeps getting brought up but some members. One I know is an American so go figure. I personally don't know a single person that is or was a member of ssnakess that doesn't value our American members and treats them with disrespect because they are on the wrong side of the border. So please don't take it that way.
I do and don't agree with some of the statements made by Alien you can not compare a reptile with simple needs to that of one that needs alot of care and husbandry. You can not compare ball pythons and burms (I agree with you about burms 100%) and you can not guarantee who is buying what. Will it have a good home? It is like that for any breeder of any animal, bird or reptile. But it all comes down to ethics. Would you sell a 16 year old a burm for money? I would like to think 99.9 % of the people on here would not. But maybe I am dreaming but it seems to me that our small community of herpers in Canada does a pretty good job of keeping people honest. Word gets around because we all know each other (thanks mostly to ssnakess). It doesn't always work and it isn't 100% effective but it does help weed out a lot of bad people.
And yes a corporate sponsor/owner does reflect itself on all businesses and organizations under it's umbrella.
Having said all this I am still around. I am not a sheep that will follow the flock of a cliff and I refuse to do anything because everyone else is. I can participate on both sites. I truly believe what I have wrote here. I know if you agree with it our not the people that run this site have invested interests in this and you work for them. I just wanted to clarify a few things already stated on here and I know Jeff (is it Jeff?) wanted this thread to stay on topic so I will add an idea. In the classifieds under other can you please split it up into Other reptiles, including inverts and amphibians etc so I don't know how you would word it and then have one for supplies. It doesn't make much since to be searching through multiple adds of heat tape, tanks and cages. In the hopes that someone is selling a turtle. Just an idea I had.
.B miT<---
Oh and I know that I am banned so if you have problems with me being here just say so and I will leave and all my new posts can be turned into a permanent guest book.

[tHeGiNo]

I finally cracked your name! TIM B! Whoo hooo!

[sSNAKESs.com]

Tim

You have a voice, express your dislikes and likes. I do ask that its done on the other thread. I would really like to see this one stay positive. By the way yes my name is Jeff.

[Brock]

*sigh*

Looks like the site has gone from the ownership of one scumbag to another, but at least the first scumbag was Canadian.

Now that the sight was bought by international investors: Investment=buying something for less than what you expect to make from it: therefor they are obviously going to want to turn around a profit from this site, and as Jeff so blatantly stated through his girlfriend's account, which shows the measure of a man in itself, he wasn't making anything out of this site as a Canadian one. So if I was an American investor buying a cheap Canadian site that could easily be marketed towards Americans, I'd do it. Obviously Iguanafarms and Flukers want profit, America was built on investment and entrepeneurial methods, and Canadians alone can't give them that, so what I'm getting to is that this site will be overrun with Americans.

Go to KS. ca and compare it to KS. com, you'll see a difference immediately once you browse the forums and classifieds. Americans are a huge majority, and this site was for CANADIAN NETWORKING, it would be difficult to find a Canadian in a site where its 100 to 1. Contrary to what Jeff says, a Canadian site is a bit different than American, it's not about business, it's about loyalty and community, unison for our nation, which we are hard pressed to find in respects for reptiles.

You won't find too many iguana farms in Canada, and that's the difference right there.

It's really a shame, this was a good site. Who knows that the future holds for it, I will stick around to see, but I definately would support Reptiles canada. com before I would support this. And I think anyone, breeder or private keeper, who has a passion for this hobby would not support a website thats donations go to iguanafarm.com, that's just stupid, I couldn't stomach the fact I was supporting a death camp. This sight WAS #2, now I reckon we make Reptiles canada. com #2.

-Brock

[chas*e]

Don't make me laugh...with words like Loyalty and O'Canada...COME ON PEOPLE.....This is the INTERNET...heolloooo..all these places are only websites they are Nowhere...and they are being done for the money(and a little interest in the topic)......Be REAL ..GET A LIFE
Go to anywhere you want..go to all the forums everywhere..I like the CornsnakeIceland.com...hahahaha

[CHRISANDBOIDS14]

Originally posted by .B miT<--
But it all comes down to ethics. Would you sell a 16 year old a burm for money? I would like to think 99.9 % of the people on here would not.

Hey Tim, I definetly agree with that and see where you are comming from, But I must say that not every 16 y/o is irresponsible.

Im not going to comment on anything else in the thread because I dont feel it would be appropriate to join the pissing matches.

C.

[Tim and Julie B]

True Chris but a 16 year old reasponsible or not is not at a point in their life were they should have a burm. In a few years what if they want to go to school or maybe they will get a job were they have to move etc. They just have no idea were they are going to end up so what will happen to that snake? I am not an ageist (lol) I know a few younger people with more comman since then some adults. :D

[havenbounce]

Boy oh boy!
I can't really get why people are getting way out of hand on the sale of this sight. So it's owned by an American big deal...(most of Canada already is) it's still the same people who are members...the same people who have the same hobbies. We didn't pay to join so why should we have been told about the sale. Maybe people who pay for advertising should have been notified but why should the rest of us.
For those who are angry because they think it's owned by Flukers than instead of bashing a sight where they are not making any money or posting advertising for their products do something that would be more beneficial...don't buy their products, don't shop at their stores, start protests and educate people who don't know about these things...get them where it really counts...the pocket book. How is the bickering on this sight going to help stop the sale of mass productions of reptiles?
way off topic but...
Gary I also feel I have to comment on somrthing you said
Would a respected AKC site sell to a puppy mill? that is the parallel. A puppymill isn't big enough to make they money it takes to do so.
AKC is not as clean and honest as you think either. Most of their events and shows are sponsered by a company that was caught in animal testing.
Plus the type of breeding that goes on by breeders to get that "look" that a dog needs to win can be discusting. Mother and sons are bred together, brothers and sisters and all kinds of things. (yes I know it for a fact...I've been with a purebred rescue for a long time and have seen the results of these breedings...just last Nov I was a foster mom to a puppy that was dumped on the streets when it was 9 days old because she was deaf and the breeder didn't want people to know they bred a deaf puppy. This dog was deaf because the breeder bred to colours that when bred together has the risk of 1 out of 4 puppies being deaf,blind or both. They did it anyways because this breeding also gave them a better chance of getting the colour they needed to win dog shows.
Ginnette

[CamHanna]

Posted by CHRISANDBOIDS14
Im not going to comment on anything else in the thread because I dont feel it would be appropriate to join the pissing matches.
That's been my position as well.

Posted by havenbounce
So it's owned by an American big deal...(most of Canada already is)
Sometimes it seems that Canada is the new Cuba (just as influenced, though not as exploited). A few Canadians may see that as a big deal.

Cam

[Minnow]

I think a lot of you are missing the point. I get the feeling that nobody has a problem with the site being owned by Americans. I think the problem lies with their money supporting an organization they did not choose to support!
If Jeff had been honest right from the getgo, some of the supporters might have wanted their money to go elsewhere. So even if advertisers got their money's worth, it probably wasn't supporting the cause that they thought it was. Eight months of evasion was totally unacceptable in my opinion.
SsnakesS.com was a very close knit community. As somebody pointed out 'this IS the internet!'.......yes it is........but this group developed bonds here and nobody wants to feel duped!
If 'this IS the internet' is an excuse, I guess Tony was justified to post pics of snakes he didn't have but wanted to impress us with.
If we want a site bases on lies and half-truths, I guess SsnakesS.com will stay alive. Most of the ppl that post here have hoards of info and are very trustworthy. Many good deals have been made in the classifieds. Too bad a few bad apples have to spoil it for everbody.
As I stated before. I feel bad for the Mods that had to keep coming up with excuses for why they couldn't do some admin duties until 'Jeff comes back'. And now I see Jeff accusing members of acting immaturely!!! LMFAO
************** is like a breath of fresh air. Maybe it is the new start we need. USA, Europe, Australia, Canada..........wherever you are...........join us for some good reptile discussions!

Peace!
Carol

[Minnow]

You are still blocking R E P T I L E S C A N A D A . C OM ?
Get a fricken life

[havenbounce]

The 'most of Canada is' was sarcasm...but really my point is nothing in the real world is perfect and whinning about it won't change things...instead of bashing things or people Canadians (and anybody else who wants to make a difference) should get off their hinnies and do something about it. Demonstrate, join groups that protest, visit schools and talk to kids again don't buy their stuff. I put my money where my mouth is and I go to people and educate them about why they shouldn't buy puppies from pet stores, I raise money for dog rescues, I got the store I work for to stop selling a brand of food that supports animal testing and they tell their clients why they don't carry it anymore. They now have also started they share and now donate food to rescues and talk to customers about adopting from shelters and rescues instead of stores. So you see one person can make a change. It might not be a big change but it's better than sitting around and complaining about it and doing nothing.
Ginnette

[Minnow]

Yes Ginnette, we can make a change.......right on over to that other sight.

[selacs]

I guess I got the "stand up for what you beleive in and fight unfairness" thing from my mother. I'm proud to say that.

Jeff, soon there will be nothing left for you to be proud of, if you continue making yourself look 2 years old.

You are the ony one looking like an idiot, sleep on it and read all the posts again.

Ryan

[havenbounce]

Minnow how is that changing anything? But I guess it does show one thing...your a follower and not a leader.
Ginnette

[selacs]

So now all of Jeff's posts and a few of mine were just deleted?

I'm gonna start saving all these files to my hard drive - this is just nuts, who is doing the deleting? Alien?

Jeff, when I click on your profile, I'm taken to havenbounce - is that you making those posts, what is going on here, mass censorship?

This is nuts.

Ryan

[Laurynn]

lol its enough for me to throw in the towel.. Have a great life peoples and no hard feelings. Love you MWAH!

Oh yeah btw this is Jeff ;)

[selacs]

Did you delete all those posts?

No hard feelings here, I just had to be honest man, we'll have a beer when I come to one of the shows, and laugh about all this..... maybe.....

Damn, those posts were good, I wish they would not have been deleted.

Off to the other site....

Ryan

[Laurynn]

lol I actually deleted my username as I suddenly realized I am stressing myself out over something which is no longer mine... :D and yeah, the beers on me bro, no worries! ;) Take Care.

[selacs]

Oh, and I have to know, when I got tossed as mod was it your wife sending me the p.m, or were you using her account? (notice I did not say anything about you hiding behind her skirt :) )

Ryan

[Laurynn]

lol to be honest dude I cant remember... she was actually active for awhile and thats when it could have happened. I will unban everyones IP's etc as it was pretty unjust aswell as the other site name and then throw in the towel.. Again I apologize to anyone who feels violated or hurt by the sale but just know I feel none of those things towards any of you! ;)

[Laurynn]

Done and done. Keep it clean people and realistic. If you like the other site use it, if you dont like this site anymore dont use it. This drama is all pretty uncalled for and its not worth my time or yours. Take Care.

[WALTER]

How can a person get a hold of the new owner(s) ????

[Laurynn]

Walter, PM sSNAKESs.com as he seems active now and I am sure he can get in touch with them for you. I havent spoke with them for 8 months... Best of luck and God Bless.

[totally banned]

Alien, the other Jeff, who is now the receiver of pm's to ssnakess.com said he did not know who owned it.

My other usernames are all banned, but my IP does not seem to be banned any more, which means I don't have to check the site from Germany.

I like to see accountability fall where it lands - really disliked all my other really valid points about the issues just vaporize.

I suspect any usernames or posts that I have lost recently were due to both Jeffs and maybe a Shane, but whatever. Obviously there is a problem with the membership knowing who the owner is, so I've started a thread on the canadian boi on fauna - hoping someone can answer everyone's primary question.

That needs to happen, and Walters money needs to be refunded. Anyone who has been a mod since I was will know that was one of my biggest pet peeves, was Walter paying to advertise last years Red Deer show, it not being advertised, and then his miceandthings banner being put there. I must have mentioned it in 10 different threads, and started 2 in the mod forum for just that issue. I think the miceandthings banner put ther in October, when the site was sold already - and about the time that the free banners were announced.

Walter sells for rep-call, and I bet they would not want him advertising on a fluker site - and all he wanted to do was advertise the show, but he wasn't able to do that - and was given a substitution instead, which is not acceptable. Walter has always been to nice to stand up for himself, and all the mods know I tried my best - but this had just gone way too far.

Jeff, If walter sent the money to you, and you didn't do anything until the site sale, when banners became free, you owe him the money for advertising. Someone owes Walter money, if it is not you, then say who it is.

I'll have saved this post before it gets deleted, to show that someone got to read it. I'm sure I can post the file on fauna if I need too, at least it will stay up there forever.

Ryan

[Oliverian]

You know, the kitten just looks so strange coming from you Jeff. :)

I guess this is why I really prefer dealing with animals all day to humans.
Best of luck to all of you whatever you chose to do. I wouldn't stress too much over any of this, it won't matter to you after any great length of time. Best of luck also getting money where it need be. :(


Tim, that was clever... It was just simple enough to be overlooked. :)

-TammyR

[Laurynn]

Ryan, I appreciate your concern but you need to get 1 thing straight. Walter paid for his front page banner and personal forum and the advertising for the Red Deer show was given to him for free and was not put up. There was no substituion involved and the free banner was not put up to to ownership change, and it was not put up as there was no admin but you need to get the facts straight before you go on a witch hunt on someone elses behalf. It was also Greg West who I was dealing with for regarding the show and not Walter at all. If Greg would like to man up and clarify this by all means Greg feel free. Noone is not going to get what they paid for and in the same light noone will be refunded. There was also no mention of this "free banners" in which you are talking about they were just not getting removed when they expired because there was noone around to do it. Those are the FACTS. If you have a beef with the new ownership PM sSnakeSs.com and work it out but dont throw BS around about money owed by me for banners when the services he paid for were posted and a banner that was to be given to him for free wasnt. Greg West if you want to do the right thing you can tell these people how many times you were offering to pay me for the banner and how many time I refused to take money for it.

[Laurynn]

Originally posted by Oliverian
You know, the kitten just looks so strange coming from you Jeff. :)
-TammyR

Im getting Married in December it must be causing my softer side to shine through... o> :D

[Laurynn]

Originally posted by totally banned
Alien, the other Jeff, who is now the receiver of pm's to ssnakess.com said he did not know who owned it.
Ryan

Well unless the username and password were emailed to him magically, he knows more then anyone else... ;) I am sure if you PM'd him civilily he could get you in contact with them.

[Laurynn]

I wont be returning to post again so I will leave it at this. Greg West, why dont you do the right thing and tell Ryan that the show banner was put up late and there was NO CHARGE for it.

When I sold the site noone was out money, except for Frog whose website didnt get reinstated when I moved all of my sites off the sSNAKESs.com onto another webhosting server (Any / All websites hosted with me have nothing to do with sSNAKESs.com and are still being hosted on one of my webhosting servers. ) I have for another business I run. I will fully refund his money aswell as give him whatever months he lost for free if he ever needs another webhost. Frog just PM me as I said before with your details and I will put the cheque in the mail, paypal in your account, whatever you prefer. I have no problem refunding someone when a mistake was made but trying to get a refund for a banner that was given to someone for free is something I wont do. If Greg West wants to man up and clear the air by all means do so. If not.. It doesnt effect me in the least so I could really care less. I have said / done everything I needed to do and say and none of you guys owe me nor do I owe you a damn thing. Heres to the future and God Bless.

Jeff

[totally banned]

Greg's TARAS show and Walter' Red Deer show are completely different man, you are confused again! Jesus Jeff!

You ran the canadian mouseman banners for months thinking that was Walter too - get your facts straight!

Ryan

[WALTER]

Well what an interesting few days on ssnakess.com no??
I want to address the issue of the people who paid for advertising on the site. When the site was being run under Mr.******** there were many of us who paid to get banners up to help support the site. I paid for what I will call the full package deal. After I sent the money I still did not have a banner up, I was also trying to get a banner up for the Red Deer Reptile Show and Sale. Nothing was happening. I contacted some of the mods and they could not get a hold of Jeff no one could get a hold of Jeff. Nice to see you back Jeff and going on a posting frenzy. I know TARAS was also trying to get a banner up for their show as well. Finally on Sept 15/04 I got an email from Jeff and the Mice & Things banner was up but still no show banner. Oh well I got over it.
Now that the site has been sold the people who have paid for advertising should have been contacted by Jeff and the new owners to see if we would want to continue to advertise. I was not I and I don’t think anyone else was for that matter. For myself I will not pay for ads on a site that I do not want to support. I will not support Iguana farming. I don’t care if it is just business and that’s the way the owner makes a living. I do not support venomoids as well, puppy mills, illegal prostitutes smuggled into Canada, terrorists organizations and much more. The point is there are many that advertise on ssnkess and I am pretty sure most will not want to support an Iguana Farm. So I am asking for the money back for the ads I paid for and for all Mice & Things banners, site supporter to be removed from my name and off the home page. If people want to support something like this that is their choice. I know we will never be able to stop some of these organizations they will always be around but I for one do not want to give them money for what they do and I am sure that there are others that would like the their money back as well. Time to try and make things right. This might be out of Jeff’s hands now since it is sold but the new owners should be contacting people that are still running ads.

[WALTER]

Jeff you thought I was the Canadian Mouseman at one point also.That's the first excuse you gave me for not having the Mice & Things banner up till 3 months later. The show banner I was trying to get up was for the Red Deer Show and Sale which is totally different then what Greg West was trying to do that was for the TARAS show.

[totally banned]

See Jeff, just saying sorry (again) does not fix this problem.

If you read through the old emails I sent you and posts I made on the mod forums, some of which you acknowledged, I don't think you could have actually been confused about this, I was very specific about the problem, and I repeated myself quite a bit.

Maybe you got confused since then, but that is no excuse - and Walter paid some hard earned money that he did not get banners for.

Ryan

[Laurynn]

Where was the location of the show banner and for how many months did you pay for it for?? Tell me that and your paypal account and you will be refunded for the show banner as I was / am obviously confused and you will get your money. If you want to remove your front page banner etc you can take it up with sSNAKESs.com but I will most definately refund you for the banner that I forgot while the site was in my ownership! Let me know on here or PM me and you will have your money today.

Ryan, next time you make it out here for a beer remind me to also bake you a delicious hero cookie to give to you along with the martyr of the year award!! lol! :D

[Laurynn]

and Greg my bad about the accusation.. ;)

[totally banned]

I want a chocolate hero cookie, lol.

Thanks for clearing this up, it's been my biggest beef all along, now I can sleep well at night knowing the confusion is sorted out.

Ryan

[Laurynn]

Seriously all that needed to be done was to explain it more.. I really had no idea what you guys were referring to. I have no problem refunding money that is owed to people that the service actually didnt happen for... seriously ;) Im not out to hustle people, if I was out to make money and run I would have renewed peoples photo accounts and banners. I just want to clear everything up so I dont have to return... ;)

[Laurynn]

Walter you paid me via a online money order if I remember correctly?? Or was it by cheque?? I have no listing for it in my paypal account.. I am trying to find the exact ammount as I have no invoices on this computer/

[WALTER]

Just Pm'ed you Jeff

[honduranfreekk]

Jeff and Laurynn I want to wish you both all the luck on your future weding plans and in everything you both do man;)

I would also like to thank you for starting this site.

It has given EVERYONE here a wealth of info and has been a relaxing place to get away from ALL the days stresses.

Good Luck to you BOTH man;)

Kelvin@Brigitte

[Laurynn]

Kelvin, thanks a million man! I hope all is well with you aswell and hopefully we can get together after one of those shows in the future for a beer or 12 ;) hah hah! :D

Whitewolf: Done.

[Laurynn]

Walter: PM'd you back! and regardless of if rest of you believe me or not I seriously thought it was regarding the TARAS show and you can see from my last few posts.. Walter is getting his money which he IS owed and was not questioned about after I realized what it was from. ;)

[Laurynn]

And to anyone who honestly got to know me on the forums and thought I would with hold someones money from them or try to scam someone in the least you seriously need to check your head. I ran this site for years without a single problem and got to know a ton of you and considered alot of you friends. For you to honestly think I would try to rip someone off after paying for a website for you guys to enjoy free of charge, never ripping off, over charging, or scamming anyone, makes me sick to even think about. Then to acuse me of treating people unfairly??? You have some serious issues... To you people thanks for nothing. To those people who truly got to know me and know differantly.. Heres to a great future and god bless.

[WALTER]

Thanks Jeff, Money was received. Jeff and I have worked things out and no hard feelings. Hope things go well for you in the future Jeff. I will take up other issues with the new owners from this point on.

[Laurynn]

Thanks Walter and I am truly sorry that I was confused and I hope you know that if I had of known what banner you were referring to you would have never had to wait for your money to be returned!! Thanks again for understand and take care!

[anacondaman]

im a little late on my comment due to the fact that i had to read everyones comments...lol...just wanted to say that knowledge has no borders...this site helps us all take much better care of our reptiles...so if you really due care about the hobby and the health of your reptile...then you will use this website, canadian or not.

my 2 cents

adam defreitas

[K1LOS]

I've been here for a while and i have learned a lot. I will stick around untill the forums get pointless and out of control, i would rather it was still canadian owned though 8 (.

What was all that about iguana farms though? can't say i like the sounds of that.

[tHeGiNo]

Talking to Jeff, I have realized how stupid I have been in regards to the change in ownership. I came up with this analogy as to what I was thinking, and what others should start to think; when we buy a chocolate bar, we do not choose it because of the wrapper, we choose it for whats inside. So why then, does this site all of a sudden become American, just because the owner may not be of Canadian origin? It is the MEMBERS of the site that makes it what it is, and so long as the members are present, does it really matter where the owner is from? The site has been sold for eight months as we are told, and there has been no 'americanization' so far - aside from maybe the bar added to the top of the page. What makes us think that it will happen in the future, then?

Anyhow, we all as Canadians owe sSnakeSs.com a great deal, for it has advanced the Canadian community five fold. Where would we have to purchase all our new animals if it were not for this site? I stopped to think for a second as to how much this site has brought me closer to the hobby, and was amazed. I am confident in saying that this site alone has increased the hobby as whole exponentially.

So long as this site stays the way it is, and is updated from here on in, I will continue to post here. Together, both sSnakeSs and Reptiles Canada are working towards the same cause - the love for reptiles, so why the quarrel? I am still upset that we were not informed of this change, however I am sure there was a reason for what happened.

[Cerastes]

...

[Laurynn]

Thanks David. I have no reason to hold back anymore so here are a few things I found really amusing...

Grant Crossman... You truly are one of a kind man... The number of times I have went to the plate for you, the dozens of times I have defended you online aswell as in person, the evolution of your reptile expo from 300 to thousands of people that attend your show cam from this site and I have watched you in the who's online for the last few days reading every thread that has been posted about me and you dont have the nerve to come to mine or the sites defence. Instead you stay idle reading and the only think that you can possibly worry about is how this is going to affect the new site you are working on... Thanks for nothing man. I dont even expect you to respond nor do I want to hear a excuse.

All of the Canadian members... I have sat here and watch you people try to belittle me for selling the website in which I paid for, I went it debt for, for 2 years, I devoted 7 hours a day to bring this thing to where it is and I dont ask you for jack... All I would EXPECT would be a little respect and to some of you to come to my defence when the lynch mob / bandwagen decide to roll over me. Instead that was done by a american Gregg M... How ironic is that?? The majority of you decide to jump on the wagen and some call me a Scumbag while an other says he will refuse to be on a site where people are treated like this... Please. I never asked you people for anymore then you felt like giving back. This NEVER even came close to what I put out for the site and I never complained and this was my project and I didnt expect you guys to pitch in. Alot of people did and unfortunately there are curcumstances in my life which are really none of you business as to why I sold the site and you really dont deserve a explaination.

The people who actually deserved to be angry... IE Walter and Frogman... I am sorry that you guys were overlooked and I have done my best to reimburse you. Those 2 issues were truly my fault and I am indeed sorry. Ryan I will apologize to you aswell since you had to be the key martyr in all of this.

Alot of you people really need to come out of the shells you live in and look at the big picture... You seriously have no idea what this site has done for you regardless of who owns it now... I dont even want to hear a thank you or anything nor do I expect it.. What I did expect was a little courtesy and for people to approch it with a open mind... Thanks for nothing... Seriously.

And since this is smoothed over, this will honestly be my last post. I have addressed everything I needed to and I have made my opinions clear. Good bye and god bless.

[marisa]

I really don't understand this. I can't understand why even come here AGAIN today after saying goodbye yesterday? It's firing this whole thing up each time you do this. Don't you see that? Even if you have valid points, or facts, it's not the point. The point is what's good for this website or any other in a situation like this is to clean up the mess and stop firing the situation up over and over again.

Alien said he is the new admin he "guesses" so the only person talking about this ENTIRE issue should be members who want answers from the ADMIN, and the ADMIN. Anyone else, including this post by you, and this post by me, is just FIRING this whole thing up everyday! If the sites best interests were actually in mind then no one but the admin and mods would be posting on this issue in response to member inquiries. Period. If you are admin, great! If not like you clearly say you are not, then why fire it up again? It just brings you more of the grief you are complaining about????

Either way, if you are done as you say, why give ANYONE "ammo" true or not? You said you are done, yet proceed to insult people and expect them to stop posting about this?!?!?! It isn't making sense man!

You were mad at those who left and brought this up, now you are mad at anyone else who didn't defend you but stayed. I would stop being mad, and simply walk away if its causing you all the distress you say it is. Just stop. I don't see why you would continue this today after saying your piece yesterday and telling everyone you were staying, then leaving, and now leaving again. It's not good for the site, it's not good for you and it's not good for anyone else.

Marisa

[tHeGiNo]

Maybe this thread should be locked and deleted?

[DragnDrop]

The way I see it, people come to this thread to read the lastest updates. I can understand Jeff coming back here to post, update us on the things that have been done to straigthen out some purely human errors. If he or nobody posted about the matters being settled, then it would never die down, just keep making the circles in the rumour mills.