Venomous Snakes From Brazil

[solenoglyph]

Hi !! my name is Marcus i'm from Brazil, beginning in this forum, i keep and reproduces venomous snakes native of my country, my intention in joining me to this forum, is to be changing information about venomoussnakes of diverse countries. Pardons Me my English is Bad !



Bothrops alcatraz (Isla de Alcatraz São Paulo Brasil)
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/9315/bothropsalcatraz0aa.jpg

Bothrops erythromelas
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/3723/bothropserythromelas8qh.jpg

Bothrops fonsecai
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/2493/bothropsfonsecai0lt.jpg

Bothrops insularis (isla Queimada Grande Brasil)
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/9195/bothropsinsularis7hg.jpg

Bothrops jararaca
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/9205/bothropsjararaca0mb.jpg

Bothrops jararacussu
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/3124/bothropsjararacussu0ac.jpg

Bothrops moojeni
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/5693/bothropsmoojeniii9tz.jpg
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/8103/bothropsmoojeni9vi.jpg

Bothrops neuwiedi paranaensis
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/506/bothropsneuwiediparanaensis9kt.jpg

Crotalus durissus terrificus
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/3329/crotalusdurissusterrificus9dl.jpg

Crotalus durissus collilineatus
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/944/crotalusdurissuscollilineatus2.jpg

[Tim and Julie B]

Those are some amazing snakes! You work with all of those......wow. Feel free to post as many pics as you like and welcome to ssnakess.com! TB

[Jeff_Favelle]

AWESOME pics!! I like the last one! Looks axanthic!!!!

[jungle_man86]

Wow never seen those kind b4 nice looking snakes

[JD@reptiles]

oh wow. how did you get the Bothrops insularis? I really want to go to Quemade Grande some day.

[Cruciform]

Those are some beautiful snakes! :)

Welcome to the forums :) Your English is better than that of some English people I know :)

[Will]

Welcome! Fantastic snakes!

[solenoglyph]

Debtor to all for the reception ! Thanks !
I live in Rio de Janeiro, 8 hours travelling on car to arrive in Santos city in São Paulo, more close city to take a boat and go for Queimada Grande Island, this is absolutely illegal but ... ... I could not be without this animal in my collection LOL

I do not work with Snakes making extration of poison and similar things I only have my collection i keep and breed for Hobbie.

I know that my English is bad but I am studying sufficient, all the errors that I to commit can correct thus learn more fast.

Thanks !

[JD@reptiles]

haha. well good for you! Its not like they are hard to find or uncommon on the island. It's my dream snake to own and work with, and even see in the wild. your english is really good.

[Thrush]

wow, gorgeous snakes. I can't beleive how angry most venomous snakes expressions are >:(
I'm sure it's all just anthropomorphisms.... :D
(seeing human expressions in animals)

[thunder]

that urutu is awesome!

[solenoglyph]

Thunder, that you nominate as urutu is not the Real urutu
this is a Bothrops fonsecai extremely rare, inhabits only cold mountains between the states of Minas Gerais, São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro and an isolated population in also northwarder a Cold mountainous of the state of Rio De Janeiro.

The correct urutu is the Bothrops alternatus, it is extremely similar, But ... they are animals that inhabit distinct areas, also they are distinct in taxonimic studies.

here i sending a photo of the Real Urutu Bothrops altarnatus
http://img240.exs.cx/img240/5369/deucalio020lw.jpg

[Rob Olivier]

Wow, those are some beautiful snakes!!!

[Cake]

Originally posted by solenoglyph
I live in Rio de Janeiro, 8 hours travelling on car to arrive in Santos city in São Paulo, more close city to take a boat and go for Queimada Grande Island, this is absolutely illegal but ... ... I could not be without this animal in my collection LOL


I hope I am mistaken in reading this, are you collecting a species that is listed as critically endangered on the IUCN red list? Is Queimada Grande not a protected Island that one would need permits to step foot on in order to prevent these kinds of actions?

And we wonder why so many species are in trouble..........

[Holy Mackerel]

Cake I agree,

It's great and all that you're into snakes, they're beautiful animals, and you have some very nice pets there....but I am very curious where you obtained them?

Some of your animals are highly endangered, and protected.

Bothrops alcatraz - Critically Endangered (IUCN)
Bothrops insularis - Critically Endangered (IUCN)

B. alcatraz is found on an island of only 1.35 Km2, and B. insularis is similarly confined to a single island. The theat to these animals is great enough. There is no potential rescue from mainland specimens. We have a similar situation here in Ontario with a snake confined to a tiny island. That snake is listed nationally as Endangered, and access to have a captive specimen is nil.

I'm pretty sure you're right Cake, as far as I know access to Queimada Grande Island is prohibited without Government of Brazil permits.

[solenoglyph]

Hi Cake ! I do not know where you live,I live in Brazil the things are different here the people do not import themselves with the reptiles, these animals are only remembered when a TV team as Discovery or Animal Planet come to Brazil to film it.

the Island is protected by the government, but you must know as they are the things in poor countries like Brazil exactly being forbidden to arrive in port in the island, many tourists are always going until there knowing the famous Queimada Grande Island.

I Brazilian am gotten passionate by Venomous Snakes, I have 3 Bothrops insularis and am trying to reproduce them, in the future the Bothrops insularis kept and been born in captivity could be indispensable for the survival of this species.

I have these animal ones why I travelled until the islands to collect them, monitoring in the place does not exist. I am Brazilian I know when I can and I cannot go until there.

[Cake]

Originally posted by solenoglyph
I Brazilian am gotten passionate by Venomous Snakes, I have 3 Bothrops insularis and am trying to reproduce them, in the future the Bothrops insularis kept and been born in captivity could be indispensable for the survival of this species.

I agree with this point. What concerns me is the excessive collecting of wild specimans for the pet trade. To my understanding the populaion of Bothrops insularis is doing resunably well. Althought the added stress of collection from the wild for the pet trade has the potential to be of concern for the sustainibility of the population over time. See the example of the Tomatoe Frog, several species of Anurans inhabiting Cuba, or the gastric brooding frog of Australia.

Although I believe your intentions are honerable, and respect your conservation ethic involving the reintroduction of captive bred individuals. Collecting from the wild to provide a breeding population to help the population in the futor when the population is declining, does not seem to me to be valid.

Why simply treat the symptoms, when one of the causes can be prevented in the first place.

I should ask you though, are you involved in a group studying the biology of the species? If you are I may be making an argument against somone who I should not be, and instead should be supporting.

[galad]

Yea I really dont see the big deal. He lives in the country they are found in, so he can release some stock back into the wild. Increasing the chances of survival of the species if you ask me.
Also from what I understand he is only collecting for personal use, not to ship to the pet trade in north america.
That being said he has probably increased the life span of a wc animal. Taking it away from predators and desease. So it has an even better chance of re-producing.
It's people that collect these species from the wild to sell in the market as pets. That I dont agree with.

Cake said: I should ask you though, are you involved in a group studying the biology of the species? If you are I may be making an argument against somone who I should not be, and instead should be supporting.


Why wasnt this the first thing you asked him? People love jumping to conclusions.

peace

great snakes keep up the good work.

ws

[Holy Mackerel]

Originally posted by galad
Yea I really dont see the big deal. He lives in the country they are found in, so he can release some stock back into the wild. Increasing the chances of survival of the species if you ask me.
Also from what I understand he is only collecting for personal use, not to ship to the pet trade in north america.
That being said he has probably increased the life span of a wc animal. Taking it away from predators and desease. So it has an even better chance of re-producing.

Galad. I can't say I agree with you in the slightest. This species is found on a single island, and there is no opportunity for resuce from a mainland population (because none exist). Look at it this way. There are very few individuals of this species (if wer're talking about B. insularis). Yes they are doing well on the island, but they are also in the absence of any predators. The reason there are no predators is because the island is isolated, and humans are not allowed on the island without permits! So he collected three individuals, that alone probably won't hinder the population too much because of the reproductive strategies of the snake. They reproduce once, maybe twice in a good year. Young tend to survive due to the lack of predators. But three individuals are never going to support re-populization.

Further, there can't be that high of genetic diversity on the island (too few individuals). That being said, the removal of those three individuals reduces the gene pool, even if just a little.

Releasing stock back into the wild is also a dangerous thing, and he could introduce disease to the small natural population, potentially wiping the whole thing out.

No, he isn't sending the animals to NA pet trade, instead they went to S.America pet trade (even if its his own collection). No matter how you look at it, it isn't good for the natural population (big deal if some guy in Brazil has the last remaining specimen in captivity).


Originally posted by galad
Why wasnt this the first thing you asked him? People love jumping to conclusions.

Why is this a bad thing. It has been indicated that these critically endangered animals were obtained illegally. The last thing I would have done is discussed these activities in an online forum. Think of the consequenses if this occured in Ontario.

[concept3]

.............. and the tree hugging hippies wreck another post ............

[Holy Mackerel]

Originally posted by concept3
.............. and the tree hugging hippies wreck another post ............


Hahaha, that hilarious...nice one!

[Cake]

Originally posted by concept3
.............. and the tree hugging hippies wreck another post ............

Id prefer to think of myself as a concerned conservationalist, who is willing raise a point about the illegalities that far to often occur in the reptile hobby.

Do you remember about a week ago when RMBolton posted the news article in regards to the individual who was apprehended distributing several protected species of North American Turtles? How the community here was happy that measures were taken to stop this kind of behaviour?
Is this not the same kind of activity? and now it is being supported? If you do not remember the article I can repost it if you would like.


Why wasnt this the first thing you asked him? People love jumping to conclusions.
I didn't ask him at first because he had not mentioned that he was planning on introducing some of the offspring back to the wild population. Usually an activity not undertaken by someone not involved in a conservation program.

Holy Mackerel excellent post, I couldn't have said it better myself.

[solenoglyph]

I am liking very to observe that all know very well the Bothrops here, the Population not this threatened as many says, by the the opposite, in last the 10 years some individuals had been found in the part lowest of the island, previously only they were found in the superior part of the island, where the vegetation is abundant, studies of stomachal content disclose to many years that these animals if feed of small birds that make migration enter the islands of that part of the ocean, Recent studies come showing that bigger individuals are if feeding of lesser individuals, thus changing its natural alimentary habit, this are resulted of a super population that result in competition for food, making with that the greaters if feed of the minors.

I am not wanting to defend what I made, I know that it is made a mistake I know of the genetic problems of the impact the population, to put to reproduce this animal in captivity is very important, knows that the market of reptiles searchs these animals, knows that many collectors want them and they are not imported with the native population, to reproduce these animals is important for keeping specimens for the future and also to take care of I deal it of reptiles, we know that many want to have insularis and pay very for it, so that they do not remove wild individuals and they commercialize, can also take care of to this commerce with animals been born in captivity, this aid very preventing that many wanting of easy money to hunt these animals in the island to commercialize.

I do not commercialize collected animal animals also collected not exchange, however I do not find wrong to commercialize an animal born in captivity or to exchange an animal born in captivity, always me many are born and always I am exchanging for venomous snakes from other countries.

[chas*e]

Awesome pics for sure