Jungle Carpet x Bredl

[Dirty]

Has this hybrid ever been produced? Is it possible? Pics?

[Stockwell]

Lets hope not!

[Jeff_Favelle]

Its possible, but I hope nobody would ever do it.

[Invictus]

Anyone who would take something as high end and frankly STUNNING as a Bredli and cross it with a jungle should be strung up and beaten repeatedly. :)

[Jeff_Favelle]

I wouldn't say that Bredl's are that high end. In fact, they are due for a serious price drop in 2005. Just watch. In the US, they are VERY inexpensive right now.

I find both species (yes, they are separate species) equally as stunning.

[BornboreD]

Both are beautiful on their own. What would posess one to even think about that cross? What would you hope to even accomplish with it?? Red and Yellow Carpets?? Not quite. I remember seeing a pair of Bredl's at one of the PC shows a year or two ago, for an amazing price.........as compared to now. I shoulda picked em up. Oh well........

Colin

[Woodpusher]

I think it would look really neat - again though it wouldn't be a good idea to mess around with Mother Nature's Snakes...

[Derrick]

hehe just reading the title made me cringe. In my mind its hard to see how these two beauties would make anything but ugly. It will happen though one day I'm sure.

[Tim_Cranwill]

LOL It's funny how some crosses are more accepted by the masses than others. I'd have to side with the "I hope not" people on this one. It's one of those crosses that just rubs me the wrong way... though, maybe a visual of the outcome would change my mind much the same way carpondro pics sort of did. :)

[gonesnakee]

Wait until all the male Jags start breeding. The crosses are going to start coming out of the woodwork. So far in Canada we've already seen IJ X Coastals, Coastals X Jungles, Jungles X Diamonds & Jungles X IJs & thats ones I know for sure about. Only 1 of those examples involved a Jag the Coastal X IJ (or whatever you want to call them LOL). That is irreguardless to the fact their are already Diamond, Jungle & IJ Jags out there & when they hit breeding size (already?) being bred to ? (in some cases every breedable female?) The Jags they make are super cool but the "mutts" that aren't Jags are not going to just disappear. So how much will a Jag sibling thats say 1/4 Jungle 1/4 Coastal & 1/2 IJ or Bredils going to go for & will it be sold as what it is? Some people are going to freak when they see the stuff thats going to start coming out, Mark
P.S. I heard the term Het Jag the other day instead of sibling from a petstore person, which when ya think about it just makes it all more scary to the pursit folks & the otherwise uninformed (ya I want some Hets LOL). Me I'm a hypocrit not sure where I stand. I already do the Colubrid Hybrids, so when I get my Jag what do I do? I'll get a pure Coastal 1 to begin with, but what will I do with it then, I guess I'll see?

[Derrick]

Originally posted by gonesnakee
I'll get a pure Coastal 1 to begin with, but what will I do with it then, I guess I'll see?

hehe cross it with an indigo or a woma?

[jungle_man86]

why would any one what to make a hybrid. keep it all pure breed

[YoungBuck]

As much as everyone likes the Bredli...I personally orefer the JCP. Personal preference of course...and I like to be different too! :D

[Katt]

I agree, I hope not too.

I sure wish diamonds hadn't been crossed to JCP either.

[Invictus]

P.S. I heard the term Het Jag the other day instead of sibling from a petstore person, which when ya think about it just makes it all more scary to the pursit folks & the otherwise uninformed (ya I want some Hets LOL).

Actually Mark, he's not necessarily uninformed. The jag sibs may very well be a visual het for Jag. This is going to be proven out by a couple of people this year. It's kinda like Mojave ball pythons - they are "het" leucistic, even though Mojave is co-dom. Jag may work the same way. If it does prove out, you won't be able to buy jag sibs for $400 anymore, lol

[gonesnakee]

Right now Jag sibs are going for $200 CDN wholesale already so they don't appear too confident that they are anything but normal Coastals or "mutts" depending on if it was a pure Jag & what it was breed too. What exactly do you mean by "visual het" I'm not famililar with the use of that term, unless it means ya can tell by looking at them or something LOL Also apparrently Jag Sib X Jag Sib has already been done overseas (Norway?) & produced nothing but normals. Why haven't we all heard about it then? Because people are trying to protect their investments, thats why! There is no such thing as a het Jag & the sibs are just as they appear either nice normal Coastals or cool mutts of some kind, Mark
P.S. a male Jag Sib from Craig Stewart is currently in Shawnessy PL for $400 & I think Grant at PCP had all the other males from CS's stuff (around 15, all the females were sold by CS)

[Siretsap]

I too believe that some morphs are visual het. Jag siblings can look very different than regulars. It still needs to be proved out.

I also believe that the motly gene in cornsnakes can be visual het.

[gonesnakee]

Jag Sibs may look different then regulars, but are still not Hets & that has already been proven out. Mark

[Siretsap]

When has it been proven out?
I would like to see that.
From everything I read, Jag is quite a unique morph, and I personally think it's a combination of a few morphs that gives this physical look.

[gonesnakee]

Here's the Jaguar story & how this Morph came about (not a combo of other morphs). No Hets was proven out overseas & kept hush hush to protect investments until the general public figures it out on their own. Mark

http://www.jaguarpython.com/jaghist.htm

[Siretsap]

quoted from your text
''Breeding the Jaguar with a Jaguar has not yet been accomplished. The females
are simply not old or large enough. This situation applies for the normal siblings as well.''

So it still has not been proven out.

[gonesnakee]

Refering to the link at that time (May 2003, check the sentence above your quote) it hadn't. Both have been done since,
Cheers Mark
P.S. sentences after quote state that both were to be tried that same year (2003) by the orginal breeder & who knows by whom all else since ;)
P.P.S. the Hush Hush above is JMHO BTW

[Jeff_Favelle]

Jag is a dominant (maybe co-dom if the damn lucies would live long enough) so there's no hets. In fact, the Jag itself is a "het". A Jag is a het of a "Super Jag". Genes do NOT have FOUR alleles on the gene site, so there's no way a Jag sib is a het. Maybe its carrying something else, but not a Jag gene, that's for sure. Grade 9 genetics. Mark I. is right.

[gonesnakee]

In reguards to the Lucies, hopefully now that people will try with Jags that have been outbred enough they (Lucies) will be not so inbred & maybe some will live? Hopefully cause that'd be HELLA COOL! Mark
P.S. Hey Jeff wait until the Granite Jags are produced eh? I'm sure you know about the hets. For those that don't a Jaguar has already been bred to a Granite IJ so there are Jaguars het Granite already : ) Now that would be HC for sure!

[gonesnakee]

Like Jeff says though "maybe its carrying something else", but that is what has been failed to be proven. As other than being/producing just nice normals, nothing else has been proven that they are anything but. Mark :)

[Katt]

Leucy's that never live?

Sounds like Lethal White!

[Jeff_Favelle]

Hey Jeff wait until the Granite Jags are produced eh? I'm sure you know about the hets. For those that don't a Jaguar has already been bred to a Granite IJ so there are Jaguars het Granite already

That would be insane eh? I wonder what the heck would dominate? Maybe it would just end up patternless? Hmmm..... ;)