Anyone else watching UFC on SPIKE?

[CDN-Cresties]

Is anyone else watching this show. I got to say that tonights fight between Josh and Chris was terrible. I would bet my life earnings that Chris would have beaten Josh if they actually fought 5 rounds. Anyways, I would like to hear what you who watch this show thought?

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

STEVE:

I watched the last few weeks gotta catch tonights still.
Its not a bad show, I love watching the series before some rules were added :D

Tony

[zero&stich]

If your asking about 'Ultimate Fighter', of course. MMA is the best sport out there!

I laughed my @ss off when Chris lost the fight. That dude deserved it. Running his mouth how he could beat anyone there and claimed to be the best? Peeing in a person's bed? Pfft...When he faught Koscheck(Josh) he barely could get off the ground and his MMA record is 15-1? LOL! I hoped Josh would pound him, and even if he didn't he took Chris who clearly is not a grappler, to the ground.

Somehow, I expected a better proformance from Leben(Chris). But then again he does lack disapline an is an emotional wreck mentally.

No doubt though, we will see him in the UFC or Pride, soon enough. He has skills, once he harness's his energy and can mentally focus clearly. He will be an unstoppable force.

[CDN-Cresties]

Josh did nothing while he was on top of Chris. It was pathetic. I think Chris was too tenative. If he came out flying Josh would have ate it. Didn't it seem like Chris threw more punches on his back then Josh???

[Andy_G]

Josh is a wimp, all he did was dog pile, but I will admit he is very good at doing that. Chris isn't perfect either, but I think there should have been a 3rd round, and if it really came down to a 5 round fight Chris would come out on top if he stopped Josh from laying on him.

[zero&stich]

True, if you watch it closely, there was several times Chris almost had Josh in holds. At one point it looked like Chris almost had an armbar locked on.

Niether did much damage, it was takedown after takedown. But it was a standup(striker) vs a wrestler, maybe grappler? Two different backgrounds, two different styles. I believe Josh didn't want to fight standing, because that is where Chris excels and it was pointed out quite a few times how he has a dangerious hook. I believe this was Josh's defense against that and to take em' down to the ground, where Chris would be more volunerable and it worked even though it went to the judges :(.

[CDN-Cresties]

Yeah thats too bad for Chris. I dont see Josh going far at all. I wouldnt take pride in a win when all I did was dry hump my opponent. Who do you thing will join the green team (forgot the name) Also who will fight next week.

[JAdkins2451]

I totally wish that Chris had won, I dont like josh what so ever.. But to his credit he followed his game plan which made for a boring fight. He knew if he stood toe to toe he would have been knocked out.. Team Liddell thinks there invinceable, but I will put money that team Coture wins in long run.

[CDN-Cresties]

I just read that it looks like they will bring back eliminated fighters later on in the show to fight once again. Now I want Josh to carry on so Chris can show em how its done!

[JAdkins2451]

I totally agree.. Josh and Bobby from team Liddell talk smack

[samurai]

I watched it too, very disapointing fights. But i think your right there will be some point where they bring back eliminated fighters. especially if the fights start getting as boring as that one was.

[CDN-Cresties]

Did anyone else notice that a couple weeks ago Josh was nervous about taking Chris on so Diego took on that other dude. I would think that a fighter would have jumped at the chance to get in the octagon. ...can you tell im a Josh hater lol

[samurai]

I am too, he looked real nervous for the fight, and chris was right when he said that josh didnt even hurt him he just layed on him. Its not a fight josh can brag about.

[JAdkins2451]

Oh yeah Josh was totally nervous. Thats exactly why he just layed on Chris.. I thought for sure he would have tried harder to get out of Chris gaurd and go for a submission.. He didnt even ground and pound..

[samurai]

If he was supposed to be this great wrestler i can see not going for the face when he had chris on the fence. But i was expecting a submission attemt evertime he moved and it just never happend.

[zero&stich]

Did anyone else notice that a couple weeks ago Josh was nervous about taking Chris on so Diego took on that other dude. I would think that a fighter would have jumped at the chance to get in the octagon. ...can you tell im a Josh hater lol

Josh is inexperience compaired to Chris's calibar. So I would have expected that. No shame in showing some nerves or fear. Thats natural. When the anderaline(sp) kicks in, that's what really holds you strong, and Josh proved that, even though there was no damage.

As for Josh and Bobby talking trash, Chris was talkin way more trash then anyone there and he was sober! Heh... Both those guys were intoxicated. As for the hose, those two pulled on him, I feel it was slightly overboard as Chris did make the right decision to sleep outdoors.

Then again the hose is exactly the same thing that Chris pulled on the guy from Canada by peein in his bed. Many things to concider.

Overall, all three were at fault. But at least Chris did appologize, those two didn't.

I was for Josh, as Chris was a problem from day 1 and did nothing but put others down and brag about his record. Now that Josh stucked to his game, he has proved experience means nothing and wits keeps you alive. My props goes to Josh for his decesion to keep a him to the ground where he's helpless.

On a side note, Couture is not training his boys well. If anyone noticed how they prepaired Chris was to have him spar only with Randy. Even though Randy has more experience, he only focused on strikes, Chris strong point. No cardio, no grappling/ground work. This might have been Chris's downfall, due to his coach.

Lidell on the other hand, I thought prepaired Josh well. His first oppenent we saw was Diego, an accomplished submission fighter, maybe a shootfighter? (Not sure) You could see Josh was exposed to stand-up and ground work for preperation.

Sorry for long post, but I watched fights closely. :D

[samurai]

Im not knocking josh for what he did. Thats his game and he did what he tried to do, its just not as exciting. I would have liked to see a knockout but i can respect josh for winning, i mean he did WIN and chris went home, hes still there.

[zero&stich]

I wanted to see the blood fly...:D...Aren't I barbaric? lol

In all due respect, Chris had many opertunities(sp) for a KO but he pawed around and gave way too much time.

Couture pointed out he's an emotional fighter, and I think his anger, frustration and worry of bein eliminated gripped his judgement.

Although, I will also give Chris HUGE props for not running in like a caged lion and start firing punches reckiousally. He tried to stick to technique. I just think his nerves got the better of him. And Josh took advantage of that, I guess.

Chris will be back, no question. This man has tremendious skill and endurence. I hope to see Chris back, but with more mental stability and disapline.

Don't get me wrong, I have respect for Chris but his actions were intolerable, not including the door or window. He needed to learn disapline and he did a little in the Octagon.

.....Now its Forrest's turn in the cage.:D Hell ya, hehehe....

Edit-I read the winner of the show might fight Ken Shamrock??!! I lost the link...I'm looking for it now. If thats true, holy crap, lol.

Saw it posted 2 weeks ago on kenshamrock.com (http://kenshamrock.com)

Well can;t find the link so guess I'm mistaken.

[ChokeOnSmoke]

I thought Chris won round 2 even from the bottom and there should have been a ot round.
What was Chris doing with his leg/foot in the second round? It looked like he was trying to put in behind Joshs head... weird

[Linds]

Originally posted by CDN-Cresties
Is anyone else watching this show...


Boooo to having to wake up at 4-5 am :( I watched the first two episodes via Sunday re-runs, and have managed to miss every one since :confused:

[greenman1867]

I hate that grappling crap. It got so bad thay had to change the rules. I remember Gracie laying on his back for 15 minutes and winning. I stopped watching the UFC after about 10 or 11 because it was so boring.

**edit: I hate Josh too, I was soooo hoping for Chris to take him out **

[Ron]

Originally posted by greenman1867
I hate that grappling crap. It got so bad thay had to change the rules. I remember Gracie laying on his back for 15 minutes and winning. I stopped watching the UFC after about 10 or 11 because it was so boring.

**edit: I hate Josh too, I was soooo hoping for Chris to take him out **

I'm glad they break people up now if nothing is happening but I liked it when you could kick the guys kidneys from below. It makes the guy on top do something which usually led to a mistake and a Gracie win. Royce was sure boring to watch but he sure did make a lot or bigger guys tap out. I also liked the no weight classes of the original UFC's; it was neat to watch Keith Hackney beat that huge Sumo guy. I kinda like the old rule too where anything goes except for biting and eye gouging; it was funny watching Keith Hackney search around for Joe Son's jewels and proceed to pound them till he released his headlock......Ahhh my fond UFC memories.

[JAdkins2451]

I think that most the fights now end with a knock.. But back when it first started the fighter were not as verseatile as they are now. Before the were graet at there style, but now the fighters are good at most styles or at least train in at least 2 diffrent styles. Which makes for a more exciting fight in my books. In any UFC from 32 and up you are bound to see some great knock outs.

[YoungBuck]

I've been watching Ultimate Fighter since day one and I have always been a Josh fan. I had always hated Chris...to be a great fighter, you need to know how to control your emotions...Chris just doesn't have that! He can dish it all out but when anyone tries to give it back, he just breaks down and cries. It's always poor me! Big baby! :D

[greenman1867]

Originally posted by Ron
it was funny watching Keith Hackney search around for Joe Son's jewels and proceed to pound them till he released his headlock......Ahhh my fond UFC memories.

Oh my Lord!!! I remember that fight vividly (cept I was probably drunk! LOL)! That was so brutal! Then Joe Son shook his hand after if I remember right. I understand the honour thing but holy crap he had his jewels pounded into his chest!!

Wow, that is a long time ago................I am so old :(

[Ron]

Originally posted by greenman1867
Oh my Lord!!! I remember that fight vividly (cept I was probably drunk! LOL)! That was so brutal! Then Joe Son shook his hand after if I remember right. I understand the honour thing but holy crap he had his jewels pounded into his chest!!


I think he did shake his hand but then shoved him away.

[CDN-Cresties]

Originally posted by YoungBuck
I've been watching Ultimate Fighter since day one and I have always been a Josh fan. I had always hated Chris...to be a great fighter, you need to know how to control your emotions...Chris just doesn't have that! He can dish it all out but when anyone tries to give it back, he just breaks down and cries. It's always poor me! Big baby! :D

Dude do you know what you are on about??:p So what if Chris wears his emotions on his sleeves. He's gone threw some things that people haven't. I dont agree with what he did after the fight but Josh was tastless as well. Chris will in the UFC long before Josh. Watch some clips of Chris on the net and you'll see his true ability. I doubt Josh will even make it to the ufc.

[zero&stich]

I don't think Josh will make it to the UFC eaither. Not if he presists on hugging his opponets on the ground, lol.

Chris has real skills, just where were they last night, we shall never know. I see Diego making it to. About the others, we'll see when they enter the cage.

Bobby Southworth is a chump, lol. No real skills in my opinion.

[CDN-Cresties]

I hope we get to see Diego eat up Josh in a future fight.

Has anyone seen that clip of Gracie toying around with a undefeated kung fu master???

[JAdkins2451]

CDN- Cresties I totally agree I have seen clips/ Full fights of Chris and I think he will make it in the next couple of years for sure..

Jess- There is no way Diego is goin to make it. I think Forest will make it.. And If Nate heals I also think that he has a good Chance.. Plus I think Mike Swick has a chance and his only lose is to Chris Leben.. IMO

Jamie

[zero&stich]

I think Diego has a shot, if he works in his stand up game and works on some boxing. His technique is a little screwy, least with his last match in the Octagon, but I think he could excel as a shootfighter. I'd like to see Nate in the cage myself, if he heals. But supposally Forrest is goin in. Should be interesting.

Also where you finding the full clips of Leben? On sherdog? Could someone post me a link please. :)

[CDN-Cresties]

http://www.subfighter.com/vidz/high...ight%20Clip.wmv
Thats a clip of Chris. Im trying to find a downloadable video of Leben vs Swick

[zero&stich]

Bummer says link doesn't work. CND- Have any others? oh ya I'd like to see the DL version to.

Chris Leben on Sherdog (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=6258)

Ha, found him on Sherdog. I just wished he would have controled himself. If he had the disapline and didnt act like a little punk...Well I hope his loss to Josh know shows him, your record means nothing and he needs to regain mental balence.

On a side note, this guy will be tough, when he fine tunes his technique. A mac truck no less.

[CDN-Cresties]

Check out this link. Its on this page.
http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/search/topic/27682-1.html

[zero&stich]

Cool thanks buddy. :)

[CDN-Cresties]

No problem :thumbsup:

[zero&stich]

I am very wrong but Chris, judging from these vids, chris seems to do well on the ground, least not ending up in submissions. Judgin from those vids, his game is swing, swing and beat em, lol. Kinda reckless, but guess it works.

Now I'm kinda bummed he left, lol.

[chas*e]

What a waste of time that fight was..they should have a 30second ground rule...30 seconds on the mat and the boys have to stand up and really fight...The grapling part of the UFC is always crap.

[chas*e]

What a waste of time that fight was..they should have a 30second ground rule...30 seconds on the mat and the boys have to stand up and really fight...The grapling part of the UFC is always crap.

[chas*e]

What a waste of time that fight was..they should have a 30second ground rule...30 seconds on the mat and the boys have to stand up and really fight...The grapling part of the UFC is always crap.

[chas*e]

What happened there 3x...lol..don't look at me..

[JAdkins2451]

Not all fight that are on the ground are bad fights.. If there not doing anything ( like josh did) then it should be stood up.. But some of the best fights that I have seen are ground and pounds which are good and exciting to watch..

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

CHASE:

3 replies, lol guess you really hate grappling :D

Tony

[YoungBuck]

It's not that Josh didn't do anything...it's that Chris didn't give him the chance to...I thought it was good defense on Chris's part actually...and I thought a 3rd round was called for.

[zero&stich]

If a third round came about I'm sure the blood would fly. And the blood would be with Josh's broken nose. Or slightly worse: A broken or fractured jaw bone.

[samurai]

grappling is important tho, think about anyfight, your eventually gonna fall down, a good grappler is a talent, its just not as exciting. i would have liked to see a knocke for sure.

[zero&stich]

KO's are kinda cool, but in my opinion I prefer to watch a Tap. There is nothing like watching the oppenet tap, because they give up, lol. A KO is kinda a cheap way out and not too hard if you have solid forarms and a good strong and solid hook. If it connects, a knockout isn't too hard, as the mind isn't meant to take that impact.

Just my thoughts.

[samurai]

i wouldnt agree, the mind isnt meant to take that impact, however limps arent meant to be over extented as well as blood supplies are supposed to not be cuttoff from the brain. Either is good with me, gotta admit those guys are some tuff s.o.b's wouldnt wanna accidently mouth them off at the bar in a drunken state. sure would wake up with a headache

[JAdkins2451]

It all depends on who you are fighting.. If you watch UFC (not the show) but the real thing theres Brawlers that can take alot of punishment before being KO like cabbage, or Tank Abbot, or Andre Arlovski... These guys can all take a heafty beating before being KO.. There are alot of fighters that know how to grapple but never really want to use it.Unless they have to, but most will just try and avoid the take down.

[zero&stich]

That's a good point Jamie. I haven't seen all the fighters in the UFC yet, It's hard to find dvd's to watch where I'm at and I'm not paying pvp, lol. So that bein said I take back this: "If it connects, a knockout isn't too hard, as the mind isn't meant to take that impact."

[JAdkins2451]

Jess I have seen alot of clean KO like you metioned but there are "SOME" that can take a good beat down. Which IMO makes for an awsome fight.. If you didnt live so far away I could let you borrow some of mine...LOL I got a bunch now about 100 hours or more....

Jamie

[zero&stich]

You live in Ontario, I live at least 4 hours from there, so not too bad, LOL! Ya that does kinda stink, but I plan on hopefully making another trip to eaither Quebec, Ontario, NB, or BC for a fishing trip. Not sure what province I'll choose, but I know I will have a blast! So if I end up in Ontario who knows, maybe you'll see me somewhere on a river or lake, lol. ;) Baw, I need a license, hehe.

I agree, if anyone can take the beating, they are warriors in my book and have my upmost respect.

[chas*e]

Grappling is important in a real fight but ..come on...I watched and listened to those two, "whaaa whaaa whaaaaa" for hours and had to watch a kissy-face grappling match...bllaaahhh

[zero&stich]

That matched stunk, I agree Chase. They looked like they were hugging eachother. I watched the fight again last night. So I'm gonna change my opinion, Chris did a awesome job and even prevented some of his takedowns. Josh just went and pussed out, lol.

I also noticed the second time around, where actually had my satalite set on slow mo to see some of the angles better. Chris almost had or looked like he had an armbar locked and Josh barely broke free. Chris also had a couple other submissions on him, but it was difficult to justify what he was also trying to accomplish.

I can forsee Josh becoming a suma wrestler after that match, heh.

[CDN-Cresties]

I also watched the fight last night. In the second round it looked like Chris tried at least 3 times to put josh in a submission. I seen that armbar too, from the looks of it, Chris wasnt really trying to give Josh an option to tap out if you know what I mean.

[CDN-Cresties]

Who just saw that. Haha I love how that punk bobby lost. It was close but I think his he lost. Can anyone say the CATSMASHER is back. Oh yeah Josh is going to eat it....HARD!

[JAdkins2451]

Same here I hate that punk bobby, Now we just need some one else to take out josh... I can say stephan won the first round but the 2nd was a close call. I am glad he lost..

Jamie

[CDN-Cresties]

Yeah it was close but bobby was always retreating. He never once was the aggresser. Im so PUMPED that Leben is back!!!

[JAdkins2451]

Oh yeah, Stephan forced the pace of the whole fight.. If it is leben I cant wait and I hope he Knocks Josh out. Knowing reality TV he will probley end up on Liddells team.

Jamie

[zero&stich]

Haha. Sweet, this thread is still going.I would like it to be Leben to finish unfinish business. I was ruting for Josh in the beginning, in hopes to shut Chris's cocky mouth. For all we know, it would be the canadian coming back, seeing how TV likes us to keep guessing. Haha I would love to see Chris on Lidell with Josh.

Now for the fight. Finally no more snooze jobs. I can't really comment on eaither as to who was a shmuck, lol. I actually do like Southworth and he is very enertaining. Stephan was the "aggressor", Bobby was the the defenseman.

Props to Team Couture on winning twice and taking out Liddells strongest fighter.

[JAdkins2451]

The "Cat Smasher" is back.. It kind of sucks that Nate cant fight now.. And hopefully Chris will take out Josh..

Jamie

[CDN-Cresties]

LOL thats my MSN name right now. Man Diego pounded Josh hard. Doesn't that mean, Team Coutour only have one middle weight? If so then Team Liddel will have to give up another fighter. I see it being Kenny if thats the case.

[JAdkins2451]

Oh yeah for sure.. Josh raffety didnt even looked like he tried. It will be hard to say who Liddell will send over but considering the Josh Coshcheck and Dieago have both won fight I would say Kenny as well.

Jamie

[CDN-Cresties]

I agree, it didnt even look like Josh R tried. He didnt even bother to protect the choke. It seemed that he just invited him to finish the fight.

[JAdkins2451]

He obviously didnt want the contract that bad like he stated.. They werent there to make friends. oh well his lose.

Jamie

[nita]

I missed the Josh/Chris fight, I'm sure they will eventually do a marathon though and run everything back to back but I was glad Leban lost, he's big mouthed @ss that I wish had gotten KO'd or forced to tap out, oh well since he's back hopefully it will happen. ALL THE GUYS TALK SMACK before a fight anyway!!! Josh is a team player though, Bobby wouldnt' have even made it to his first fight without Josh's help. Bobby should have won his last fight although Stephen was the aggressor he did no damage, Bobby was the only one doing any damage. You win for walking into punches????, nice rules, that was a sucky decision. Diego kicked butt like I expected, that was a great fight!! LOL, I'll be catching it again on Saturday. I can see Diego going far, he is a good fighter and I wouldnt' mind seeing him against Leban, heck anyone against Leban, as long as Leban is out cold or humiliated at the end!! Yup, the peeing in the bed made me hate him, nothing will change it, he is an ignorant SOB.

[CDN-Cresties]

Leben is the best middleweight on the show. Josh K didnt even beat him, all he did was hold him on the ground. Leben vs Diego will be the final for middle weights. Leben will knoch him out. Diego is good but he has fought weak opponents.

Josh is in no way a team player. Look at the abuse he hurls at Sam every show. Like Swick said, this shows called the ultimate fighter not the ultimate wrestler.

I found it funny how Hypocritical Bobby was. He gave his advice to Leben about not being a sore loser but when he lost he went bi polar. I dont think either of them won though. They both fought hard. A third round would have been nice. That spinning kick by Stephan was pretty awesome. I truly dont think that Bobby hurt Stephan because after some of those shots he took, he was still pushing the fight. I cant wait until next week!!!

[JAdkins2451]

I totally agree with you Steve.. Bobby also stated when Josh and Leben fought that it didnt matter that josh just layed on leben.. But at the end of his fight he was crying that all stephan did was lay on him.. Hypocrite. As long a Leben works on some of his ground game he has a good chance on winning.

Jamie

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

I second that ;)

[zero&stich]

I'd like to see forrest go in the cage. That would be interesting.

[ChokeOnSmoke]

I'm glad bobbys gone as well. Diego was a savage in there this week.
I'm waiting for Forrest too at the start of the show I think you see him stand up smiling with blood running down his face.

[JAdkins2451]

I would also like to see forrest fight, and Mike Swick there supposed to be pretty tough. I can see it coming down to those two.. I dont see Sam making it to far. For Light Heavyweights.. As for middle weight Im not sure what will happen. Leben is the only striker.. Kenny, Dieago, Josh K are all ground/submission fighters. If Leban steps up is ground game enough to get the fight to its feet he has a great chance.

Jamie

[CDN-Cresties]

Leben's ground game isn't all that bad, after all his record is 18-1. I think the only reason Josh K beat him was it was only 2 rounds and Josh K is a stronger than him. I cant wait to see Forrest go at it. I think all the light heavy weights on Coutour are decent fighters.

[JAdkins2451]

I belive his ground game is decent, but you cant compare it to Josh, or Dieagos. And they are physically stronger for sure. As for Randys team I belive they are decent. It will be tough to say whos the best.

Jamie

[zero&stich]

Randys team is shaping up to be real warriors. I love their "no quit" attitude. They have alot of heart. Lidells team are just cocky SOBs, lol. I don't see Sam making it eaither, but who knows, the camras seem to be hiding his talent. So far all I've seen from Sam is a backstabbing, lazy jerk, lol. I haven't really seen much preperation at all. I think he will leave on his own.

[JAdkins2451]

Knowing the way Chuck is he will probley just give Sam to Randys team...LOL. As for when the originally picked the teams Randy picked all the strikers and Chuck picked submission/grapplers, for middle weights any ways. From what I could gather of the light heavy weights they all seem to be strikers.

Jamie

[CDN-Cresties]

Sam is a light heavyweight so he cant join Randy's team. My bet is it will be Kenny will be Chuck's pick to leave.

[JAdkins2451]

I know hes a light heavyweight, I was just jokin for the fact that noone on Chucks team likes him, I also think it would be Kenny to go to randys team.

[CDN-Cresties]

K sorry :) Sam's team are a bunch of jerks anyway.

[JAdkins2451]

No need to be sorry you didnt do anything..LOL, I also agree that Sams team is a bunch of Jerks. I wouldnt want to work for them annyways. They wonder why he goes to work out with Randys team and talks to the green team.

[zero&stich]

This being off topic, I am wondering who will win on the next pvp: Chuck vs Randy. I also found this, finally, on Shamrocks site:

Final TUF Episode (http://www.kenshamrock.com/news.php?id=98/articles/news)

[CDN-Cresties]

Is that a spolier???

[nita]

Sams team is great with each other. They hate Sam cause he is an @ss kisser to the green team!! They are supposed to be teams but he is constantly brown nosing the other team members and not wanting to hang with his own team. I wouldnt' have any thing to do with him either.
I like Team Liddel and would also like to see Forest in the ring, I think he's a good fighter.
In the Chuck vs Randy fight I'm all for Chuck!! Go team Liddel!!

[zero&stich]

Is that a spolier??? I guess you could call it that;Sorry. I just found it and thought it would be cool, without really thinking through. :confused:

[CDN-Cresties]

UFC is not a team sport :) But seriously, Sam's team made him the outsider. Liddel's team is a bunch of garbage, they lose a challenge and blame Sam. That makes no sense. Odds were that if Randy's team won that challenge they would have picked Sam to fight but Stephan chose a different route.

No worries. I didn't click on the link although I am very tempted to...:P

[nita]

Originally posted by CDN-Cresties
UFC is not a team sport :)

No but they are in teams and to win challenges and for the training they have to work as a team. If someone is being a jerk they will get singled out. I have never seen Sam try to work with his team, I agree with Koscheck, he is a politician figures kissing up to the other team will get him somewhere and all it did was alienate him from his own team.

[JAdkins2451]

Steve I totally agree with you, it may not be a team sport. But the challanges they are doing are a team sport. And if you lose you cant just blame it on one guy. As for him sucking up I dont think thats the way it is. I think the treated him like dirt so he started to talk/hang out with Randys team which gave him respect. I belive that overall Randy has a more mature team.

Jamie

[CDN-Cresties]

Well you see it your way and I see it my way. Why would Sam want to lose that challenge on purpose??? Sam hasnt alienated himself from the group, everytime he walks by team members he receives some form of abuse. Liddells team has a bunch of guys with no honour such as bobby, Josh and Kenny. Bobby ate it, so will Josh and Kenny. :P

[JAdkins2451]

Well put again steve:) . Thats why I said Randy has an overall more mature team. You dont hear them bashing anyone on there own team. And also if you watched from the beginning you could see that there more mature by the way they helped/encouraged Jason (the canadian).

Jamie

[zero&stich]

Heh, Like I mentioned before. Couture's team are warriors, Lidell's team seems to be cry babies. Think that's any reflection from the couch? Or that's just how the people are?

[jparker1167]

i havent been here in awhile, i aslo like wathcing the ufc. but i dont really get to watch it that much, i didnt think this many people here would be interested in that kinda stuff cool to see some are. i used to take karate, judo, aikido, and grappling, has anyone else taken any thing.

[nita]

I take Tae Kwon Do and we are also learning Haidong Gumdo. Nothing much on the ground other than our street self defense teaches ground techniques.

[jparker1167]

thats cool nita my cousin is a black belt in tae kwno do, lots of kicking lol what belt are you

[nita]

I'm a black belt, the emphasis is totally on kicking. My husband is 3rd dan black belt and has his own school. For sport style sparring TKD style punches aren't really even counted, unless they knock your opponent off balance and punches to the head are not allowed at all, it is all about the kicking!! For our actual practical self defense though we do a lot of submission holds along with elbows and knees, no rules when you are fighting for your life!! :D

[Dave_18]

i'm a purple belt in shotokan( not great but something better than average i spose)

[zero&stich]

Awesome guys. I should have looked into some type of school when I was much younger, but never did really look into a good dojo. If I had to pick any "type" of fighting it would be submission, probably shootfighting or Brazlian Jiu Jitsiu.

[jparker1167]

cool nita, dave shotokan is sweet anythere cousin of mine takes it, zero and stich brazilian jiu jitsiu is what i took, i have a book called the fighters notebook has tons of submissions and other training tips.

[CDN-Cresties]

That was a good short fight. I secretly wanted Alex to win but I knew Forrest would just be too much for him. Any ideas what the twist is???

[JAdkins2451]

I have no idea about the twist, but it most be bad if Leben doesnt like it. As for the fight I think Forrest under estimated Alex, If it stayed standing up I think Alex could have won. Iam not bashing Forrest because I like him. I can honestly say this is the only fight so far I didnt have a Fav to win the fight I liked both of them.

Jamie

[Asian Jon]

I agree, it was a good short fight. Once Alex was pinned down he had no chance. Forrest started beating'em like a mad beast.

[CDN-Cresties]

I think that they will have to fight their teammates. If this is the case, here is how I see it.

Forrest beats Sam
Diego beats Josh
Leben beats Kenny
Swick vs Stephan...Im not sure

[JAdkins2451]

It quite possibliy could be that, I honestly have no clue to what it may be.

Jamie

[SyN]

that makes a lot of sense...thats why they had to keep the teams even all the way through...very wise

[zero&stich]

I had high hopes for Alex but I liked how Forrest has class and has real heart. He's a good role model for the future fighters coming into the UFC. I know wars will happan and such but it's good to see the fight didn't end their friendship. It just allowed higher respect for both fighters and showed they both had class.

[CDN-Cresties]

Damn that was a good fight. Chris controlled it but give props to Kenny for hanging in there and landing that elbow.

[JAdkins2451]

For sure Chris was seeking a KO, but Kenny survived every flurry that Chris gave him.. That was a nice clean elbow. But I think Daina White is right when he says Chris is not all "there" and needs to mature.. As for Foresst bringing Bobby back blah I dont like him one bit and I think it should have benn Alex that came back if anyone.

Jamie

[JAdkins2451]

Well who else watched that fight, man did Kosheck ever take a beating his forehead and eyes were banged up nice. Diego caught him with about 10 knees, and I give Koscheck credit for takin it with out getting KO. Cant wait till next week should be good.. Im mean great. I just hope Bobby doesnt fight.

Jamie

[CDN-Cresties]

That was sweet. What fight was bobby watching, i cant believe he thought that fight was BS. I love Dana's quote "Josh Koschecks face was a mess" lol Next week should be awesome..2 fights!!!

[JAdkins2451]

I dont think Bobby could tell his a s s from a hole in the ground. That last round Josh looked totally out of it.

Jamie

[CDN-Cresties]

Yeah Josh was in terrible shape, those elbows to the ribs must have done some damage. So who's gonna take it KenFlo or Diego? I want Kenflo but I think Diego will edge him out.

[Princess Erica]

D'oh, I fell asleep before it was on. I'll have to catch the rerun this weekend. Go Diego! :D

[SyN]

Diego is gonna win now for sure, but its still gonna be an amazing fight regardless...I wonder what kinda style its gonna be

[JAdkins2451]

Between Kenny and Dieago it could go either way, it all depends if Dieago wants to stand with him or if it goes to the ground. Dieago is a superior ground fighter.

JAmie

[CDN-Cresties]

I was reading some info on Sam and it appears that Sam has some skill. I cant wait to see him fight. I think the editting on the show makes him seem like a dud.

[nita]

Glad to hear that Diego won!! I figured he would win that division from the start, I'll stick to that thought. I look forward to the next fights too! Hopefully Forest is able to fight, I like him best. I'll be catching the rerun this weekend too, I never make monday or friday, I have to catch Saturday!

[CDN-Cresties]

Nita, this is the best fight thus far. It was so good that Im going to watch it again!

[turner427]

I've watched the UFC for many years now. Back in the of Royce Gracie, Ken Shamrock, and Dan Severn. I personally have not been impressed with any of these guys. Alot of these fights remind me of fights backs in high school.

[samurai]

Royce Gracie is a jits god

[turner427]

Samurai is totally right. I'm a little disappointed. I wonder what sort of screening process these american shows do, because most of these fighters couldn't bet a average person in a fight.

[CDN-Cresties]

A lot of rules have changed since Gracie.

Turner427....
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[JAdkins2451]

I have also been watching for years and the UFC has changed alot. Not to dis any Gracie or Shamrock but when it first camr out they were 1 demetional fighter ( still great fighters). But the fighters today try to learn at least 2 to 3 diffrent arts.

Tuner427 I think you are totally wrong these are only kids trying to learn the ropes of the game of course there not no Gracie etc. But this is how they get better at waht there doing. As the comment about them not able to beat the average person. Youare totally wrong the average person dosent try to be technacel they just start throwin punches the would have no chance. IMO

Jamie

[nita]

Jamie is dead on. These guys are all pretty good fighters, back in the early days other than the few mentioned above all they where were bar brawlers no technique nothing, it has come a long way.

[jparker1167]

i would rather watch a submission match then 2 guys just throwing puches and and not even connecting, kinda like tank abbout use to do, but that me i like the ufc show but dont really get to see it that much

[JAdkins2451]

Well that was quite interesting, Sam wasnt as bad as I thought he would be but Forrest caught him with a couple good knees. I thought for sure Swick had Stephan, it looked really good but he got out and that was that. If Swick let go of the cage Srephan would have had a harder time locking in the arm bar. Which would have at least went into the other round.

P.s See Josh Koscheck at the start of the show he was totally messed. Ouch

Jamie

[CDN-Cresties]

I agree, Sam wasn't that bad, he had some decent kicks. I really felt bad for Swick. He had Stephan but credit to Stephan for getting out of the gullotine. I wonder why Swick was in with the LHW when he is a MW.

[nita]

Forest gets to fight! Yay!! LOL, I was hoping he would be able to fight. So did they do both the light heavy weight fights yesterday instead of splitting them into two weeks. I'll be catching it on Friday or Saturday.

[CDN-Cresties]

2 fights, one show. The finals are this saturday at 9pm eastern time.

[JAdkins2451]

its going to be good, I cant wait to seee what happens. Ken Shamrock is also fighting Rich Franklin which should be a good fight Rich is tough.

Jamie

[nita]

Well, the MW fight went the way I figured it would, Diego took him out fast. For the LHW I was rooting for Forest, I like him, but figured that Stephon would take it. What a killer fight man, Forest I think pulled out the win by being the aggressor and controlling the fight and even managed to do a bit of visual damage to Stephon in the last round. We had already surmised by the 3rd round that both would end up with contracts, like they would toss away the money they will make on a rematch later! :D As for the Shamrock/Franklin fight, what a dissapointment. Shamrock can't even stay on his feet anymore, he fell twice and was out so fast.....Guess he is getting too old.

[CDN-Cresties]

Diego dominated, I thought Kenny would have a submission advantage with his background. But we cant forget that Kenny is a natural 155er not 185.

I thought Bonner won that fight but Im glad he got the contract as well. That fight was awesome

The Shamrock fight was good but short. I was impresseed with Franklin, especially how he managed to escape two submissions.

If anyone wants to know the results of the fights that we not televised go to www.sherdog.com.

[JAdkins2451]

I knew Diego would win, hes a tank compared to Kenny . Aswell Diego has an awsome ground and pound game. Foresst and Stephan's fight was an all out war. I argee with Nita I figured both would end up with a contrac. Man they were both banged up pretty good. Great fight. Ken slipped two which sucked I would have liked to see alonger fight to see what would have happend. Either way Rich Franklin finished well and is a great fighter. I have seen him fight in other UFCs and hes making a name for himself.

Jamie

[ChokeOnSmoke]

That was a hell of a fight maybe the best I've seen.
I thought Bonnar won as well

[nita]

I thought Bonner had won but was pleasantly surprised that Forest got it. I think that they gave it to Forest for being the aggressor and controling the octagon, he did lead the fight even though Bonner did more damage. It was fantastic, I'm glad they didn't push it for a 4th round, the poor guys wouldn't have made it.

[RB420]

i can't waiot to see the forest vs bonner rematch down the road....that was an awesome fight last night, those guys put themselves to the limit. i am glad they both got contracts and i don't think theUFC will regrett it both those guys have a lot of determination and heart

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

Yeah it was a great show, well worth watching indeed.
I watched part of the marathon before the big show, mostly parts I missed in past weeks. Knew Diego was gonna take it way back in the beginning, but Forrest was something to watch even Stephan was amazing. Both deserved the contracts. Considering how some professional boxing either ends in forst round or it a show of hugging, UFC is way better.

Now Shamrock, what the hell. He lost to a hungry fighter indeed, but in such a short time, geez I was hoping to see a few rounds or a serious break em submission, not the 2 slips to the ground. I was hoping to see a better fight with Shamrock, but overall a good show indeed. Congrats to SPIKE as well.

[V.hb]

Shamrock was SLOPPY!!! he slipped twice! he definatly wasn't in his prime, that's for sure.... The Bonner, Forest match was great! entertaining!