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crazy4reptiles
02-20-05, 06:13 PM
Well as I was just walking around the mall with my son today... I have always noticed this before, just never dicussed it with anyone but my GF... I notice it in other places, not just the mall.. it is just easier to spot these species there.... O.k. what I am referring to is people... mostly little kids...little "Gangstas" per say rocking platinum chains, and 5 K diamond earings... in both ears even.... It is obvious they are fake, so why do they rock this bling.. I never did understand this... personally I think it is hella cheesy... and always makes me laugh when I see a person sporting fake 5 k diamond earings, and $100,000 platinum crosses....What do others think?
i see no problem with rocking it if you can afford to buy the real ish, but i agree if youre sporting fake ice you are a clown. :(
kids these days are right f****d. id hate to see how most of them turn out in 20 years. :(
crazy4reptiles
02-20-05, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by munchy
i see no problem with rocking it if you can afford to buy the real ish,
ya if you can afford it... sport it all you want... I'm talking about teens that think they are hard sporting obvisouly fake gear...
and I would have to agree that kids now a days are F'd... they think they are so hard.... little kids trying to call you out at times.. and all you can do is just stand there and scratch your head...:confused: kids difinately have alot of balls these days..
yep its ridiculous in my town you got lil bastards like 11 years old walking down the street mad-dogging like they gonna murder you. i just drive by and laugh but its getting pretty bad you just wanna jump out your ride and smack the **** out them...
Punks. It's unfortunate that many parents these days leave it up to the T.V. and teachers to raise their kids. Totally hands-off. That's ok, these same kids will be raised by our prisons soon enough. If I was as disrespectful, rude and "attitudinal" as many kids today, my parents would have beat the hell out of me and then grounded me for bleeding on the carpet. Parents are too afraid of their children these days. If I ever as much as spoke back to my parents or swore in their presence, god help me. Don't get me started!!....
Originally posted by mykee
Punks. It's unfortunate that many parents these days leave it up to the T.V. and teachers to raise their kids. Totally hands-off. That's ok, these same kids will be raised by our prisons soon enough. If I was as disrespectful, rude and "attitudinal" as many kids today, my parents would have beat the hell out of me and then grounded me for bleeding on the carpet. Parents are too afraid of their children these days. If I ever as much as spoke back to my parents or swore in their presence, god help me. Don't get me started!!....
yep id get the back of the hand for sure if i stepped outta line and you know i think it was probably a good thing..
ATBlover
02-20-05, 06:59 PM
hmm im 15 and im around this stuff alot...it is stupid if their wearing fake bling...but if its real thats alright....also its true...all the kids wanna do is fight n jump sum 1...also their all gettin into drugs..not that thats a really bad thing..we all try it;) ahaha but if you are gunna do it...dont walk around on the streets while ur smokin it or aftre..they just cause trouble...Connor
crazy4reptiles
02-20-05, 07:11 PM
ya if I ever sassed my parents, I would get my *** kicked!! we were scared to step out of line.... it's true now a days parents are more scared of their kids... Here in Calgary it is bad for little kids thinking they are hard... I was at Burger King and some kid was trying to pick a fight with me.. saying he was gonna spray holes in me and stuff... hahahahah... I was like kid... I should soo mess you up right now... but like my buddy said he was just that, A kid.. not worth the effort, or the bloody knuckles ..lol...
Sheesh kids.....
By the way.. Munchy... where in BC you from man?
Even if it is real it looks stupid to me, the person is obviously just trying to make his/her self feel better by showing off while they really just look rediculous..... In my opinion.
Originally posted by Rikki
Even if it is real it looks stupid to me, the person is obviously just trying to make his/her self feel better by showing off while they really just look rediculous..... In my opinion.
nah i know a few people who honestly just have that much money. you got your house, your 5 cars all new and on big rims, your chopper, all your toys and everything you pretty much ever wanted and still have money left to burn....
why the hell not?
It's sort of tragic, if you really think about it.
crazy4reptiles
02-20-05, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by munchy
A-town baby!!
Maybe I'm not up to speed on the burrow's of BC.... but where the hells that man... personally I hail from K-Town... currently living in Cow Town right now.
I was thinking Abbortsford, Aldergrove.. lol .....
Im talking about jewlery is there really a need for so much? Its stupid, plane stupid.....
crazy4reptiles
02-20-05, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by Rikki
Even if it is real it looks stupid to me, the person is obviously just trying to make his/her self feel better by showing off while they really just look rediculous..... In my opinion.
If you can afford it why not.... I know a couple people... part of the non tax payers club... if ya know what I mean.....
Originally posted by Rikki
Im talking about jewlery is there really a need for so much? Its stupid, plane stupid.....
if you say so buddy. some people will just never understand...;)
Originally posted by crazy4reptiles
Maybe I'm not up to speed on the burrow's of BC.... but where the hells that man... personally I hail from K-Town... currently living in Cow Town right now.
I was thinking Abbortsford, Aldergrove.. lol .....
lol yep good ol abby!! lol pretty damn close to the grove too...
k town as in kelowna? lucky. :(
peterm15
02-20-05, 07:30 PM
`whats really funny is when thoes little "thugs" are callin you out and you take them up on the offer.. put the car in reverse and slam the gas.. than ask them to repeat themselves and by that time there either saying sorry or runnin like there gettin shot at... now thats great
Originally posted by munchy
lol yep good ol abby!! lol pretty damn close to the grove too...
k town as in kelowna? lucky. :(
i actually may be moving to a place near calgary in the near future:( lol have you heard of black diamond?
crazy4reptiles
02-20-05, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by munchy
lol yep good ol abby!! lol pretty damn close to the grove too...
k town as in kelowna? lucky. :(
good guess...... I had to think about it for a sec... lol
Ya K-Town as in Kelowna.... been here in Cslgary for about 4 1/2 years though.... can't wait to go back... I love it there....
Edit.. yep... damn back in the day.. when I lived here in High school small town south of Calgary.. called Nanton Black Diamond was hella rivalry in hockey man!!!! we hated each other... major bench clearing brawls... ahhhh good memorys.. lol
Originally posted by crazy4reptiles
good guess...... I had to think about it for a sec... lol
Ya K-Town as in Kelowna.... been here in Cslgary for about 4 1/2 years though.... can't wait to go back... I love it there....
yep its beautiful out that way. thats where i eventually see myself in a few years...maybe not exactly in ktown but somewhere close. a-town has turned into the biggest s***hole of a town the last few years...
Originally posted by crazy4reptiles
major bench clearing brawls... ahhhh good memorys.. lol
:D thats what i like to hear
i looked it up on the net and it looks like the most haggard little hick town ive ever seen. i dont wanna go. :(
crazy4reptiles
02-20-05, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by munchy
:D thats what i like to hear
i looked it up on the net and it looks like the most haggard little hick town ive ever seen. i dont wanna go. :(
Lots of scrapping and lots of bikers.... real bikers... not a town these little thugs we are talking about... would last very long I'll say that for sure....
You do what you have to do in this world.
Everyones their own hustler...
Mike
Ya know...
I could easily start a post about why the hell punks these days wear chains that hang to their knees and have split tongues and and all this other body modification done to 'em... or I can write about how I think people who own reptiles are losers.
So... I dont wear chains, nor do I sport "fake diamond" earings... but, then one thing I dont do, is state how someone dresses is "really funny" or "hella cheesy". I take it your style is the answer to all the worlds problems?
So you asked for other peoples opinions... so I bring forth to you mine. Your opinion is ****. All you stated was how you think its funny. Good for you :)
Keep in mind, that you refer to these gangsta's as ''kids", we were all young and stupid at times, weren't we...
Mike
Lol, whats wrong with a little bling bling!
seriously, i see 12 year olds wearing fake crap like that, it makes me laugh, the only shiny jewelry i wear like that are earings and a ring, which are real, but sometimes those huge chains look funny, lol..
but like alot of you say, theres nothing wrong with it, but you would rarely if not never see a kid wearing a 50 000$ chain like the rappers do, lol.
crazy4reptiles
02-20-05, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by Dozer
Ya know...
I could easily start a post about why the hell punks these days wear chains that hang to their knees and have split tongues and and all this other body modification done to 'em... or I can write about how I think people who own reptiles are losers.
So... I dont wear chains, nor do I sport "fake diamond" earings... but, then one thing I dont do, is state how someone dresses is "really funny" or "hella cheesy". I take it your style is the answer to all the worlds problems?
So you asked for other peoples opinions... so I bring forth to you mine. Your opinion is ****. All you stated was how you think its funny. Good for you :)
Keep in mind, that you refer to these gangsta's as ''kids", we were all young and stupid at times, weren't we...
Mike
Well actually I never said my style was the answer, and really I didn't bash on anyones style... I was a "thug" back in the day wore my **** real baggy... and slapped my cap backwards wore a Pac bandana and stuff rocked jersey after jersey.... I never bashed the style... I just stated it was cheesy that they wear 10k's worth of diamonds in their ears.... when obviously they are fake... and ya I was young and stupid... but I also knew when I ran my mouth I could back my **** up... never started **** I couldn't handle... not like alot of kids these days... come on like a 15 year olds gonna kick my a@@.... lol
Dozer ya gettin all bent cause you prob rocking the fake **** ya self.... lol
peterm15
02-20-05, 08:30 PM
there is nothing rong with it.. but what is rong is when these "kids" are spoiled little brats how show no respect for anyone or anything... NOT ALL ARE LIKE THAT, i have been sterio typed my whole life for the soal reason is that i listen to punk and i am a punk.. used to have very colerful hair, lip ring, baggy cloths, loud music, tats ect. ect.. and even now.. i get type cast.. there are these little "thugs" that are very smart and have something going for them.. and even thoes who dont... i have nothing against them as long as you show respect for thoes around you.. hell ppl still cross the street when im walkin towards them and i look quite normal now... but thats doesnt stop me from offering my help to someone who is having a hard time crossin the street or reaching something in a store or even pulled over on the side of the road..
the way i look at is at least try to have your own style.. and dont follow others... cool is what you make it not what other ppl say..
HeatherRose
02-20-05, 08:36 PM
Hey guys...
Can we try to cut out the swearing so this doesn't have to be moved?
I think that people are way too judgemental...why can't people look like they want to look? I'm sick of taking out all of my piercings for work, but I guess I'm glad I don't have as many as I used to anymore. The looks you get with a few facial piercings are funny, and not funny haha.
Originally posted by HeatherRose
I'm sick of taking out all of my piercings for work, but I guess I'm glad I don't have as many as I used to anymore. The looks you get with a few facial piercings are funny, and not funny haha.
ive had a lot of jobs and nobody has ever said anything at all to me about my piercings. where do you work at?
HeatherRose
02-20-05, 08:44 PM
I think people are less fond of oral piercings than eyebrow rings and stuff...
I work at a pizza place.
crazy4reptiles
02-20-05, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by HeatherRose
Hey guys...
Can we try to cut out the swearing so this doesn't have to be moved?
I think that people are way too judgemental...why can't people look like they want to look?
Sorry Heather:o
I'm not trying to be judgemental.... I don't care how someone looks.... I'd actually rather see a someone with 20 facial peircings.. then someone with two 5k fakeys... lol....
sorry if I offended any of the"fake" blingers out there.... just somthing I thought was pretty funny.....
yeah thats pretty stupid. i have two eyebrow piercings and one in my tongue and ive had many jobs. nobody has ever tried to get me to take them out or even commented on them. at a few of the labor jobs there have been co-workers that have obviously busted my chops about it but i pretty much expect that kinda ball-busting from greasy old dudes working at mills and stuff. im a big boy now i can handle it. :D
paulsreef
02-20-05, 08:51 PM
Last summer some kids got up on the school roof across the street from my house and started throwing bottles down into the school yard where the kids play basketball; broken glass everywhere. If I did that when I was a kid, an adult would walk over and give me a slap in the head. Nowadays you would be sued, you'd loose your house because the slap in the head caused permanent traumatic stress, depression, headaches, etc... I guess if my kids get cut on the broken glass, stitches and bandages are cheaper then being sued. Best to accept the fact that law isn't on our side anymore.
HeatherRose
02-20-05, 08:51 PM
I'm not trying to be judgemental.... I don't care how someone looks.... I'd actually rather see a someone with 20 facial peircings.. then someone with two 5k fakeys... lol....
I didn't mean you guys, I meant people in general :p
I'm not saying I'm not either, I know I've made fun of those people before.
JAdkins2451
02-20-05, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by Dozer
Keep in mind, that you refer to these gangsta's as ''kids", we were all young and stupid at times, weren't we...
Mike
In a sence you are right.. But growing up I have done my fair share of trouble making and doing bad things.. But these "kids" are pure disrespectfull to everyone it doesnt matter there age. When I was growing up I was always taught to respect my elders and thats what I did. If I were sitting on a packed bus and a lady came on I gave up my seat its called respect. Thses kids dont have it. This is just my opinion..
Jamie
crazy4reptiles
02-20-05, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by JAdkins2451
. If I were sitting on a packed bus and a lady came on I gave up my seat its called respect. Thses kids dont have it. This is just my opinion..
Jamie
No doubt... it pisses me off when they don't give up there seats to women especially ones with kids and elderly people...
GRRRRRR......
JAdkins2451
02-20-05, 09:19 PM
Iam not even that old, I am only 22 and I still give my seat up to women, elderly, women that are pregnant or with kids.. Its the same as if I were walkin down the side walk I move out of ther way.. Some kids now just walk right thru you its insane..
Well crazycorn, I might have a different view than you, 'cause there really isn't many people where I come from that can't support their talk. I'm not tryin' to make myself look all big and bad by sayin' I come from a part of the city where violence and crime is high. I also haven't experienced kids yellin' or screamin' at me while I drive by them, so my view might be different from yours.
I dont think you realize my point, I didn't say you bashed their style... you wanted an opinion so I openly gave you mine, if you can't accept it, so be it. Not everyone has to agree.
Respect is another topic, it depends on how you were raised... I grew up in an immigrant eastern European family... so the belt and the wooden spoon were usuals. I agree with anyone who says our general population of youth is corrupt and disrespectful. Again, thats another topic.
Mike
Goin' back to the original post as to WHY these kids wear the chains and the fake bling is because modern rap exposes these young kats to rock that kinda gear... like their gangsta idols. Its the same thing thats happenin' to young girls and Britney Spears.
Most ( gotta be correct here ;) ) young'ns these days are spendin' less time in community involvement, sports and other activites that benefit them. The world is changing rapidly, and whether its good or bad, thats an opinion. I personally didn't know what Marijuana was until grade 9 came along... now I hear stories of young kats gettin' suspended from elementary school for smokin' it on school property ( grade six students )... I dunno, its a crazy place.
BOAS_N_PYTHONS
02-20-05, 09:44 PM
CRAZY FOR REPTILES:
LOL......its funny the gangsta look, see it all the time. Each generation does the next look. I remember the 80s and all the Duran Duran, Platinum Blonde, Twisted Sister, Pet Shop Boys, Madonna looks and we all thought that was cool.
Funnier now is when I was in high school it would be 1 in 400 to have a car let alone a sweet ride. A few weeks back I visited some some friends that live near my old school and holy foshizzile. The rides now are not rare but expensive, where did these kids get the money or the loans to sport 4 x 4 BMW, JEEP, SUBURBANS and etc, and lots with the bling look.
I know my cruiser crowds and that is weird to see some 16 year old sporting a 40k truck or others with 30k sport cars. Man I got old in the wrong era, lol.
Tony
HeatherRose
02-20-05, 09:46 PM
Twisted Sister is STILL cool :p
BOAS_N_PYTHONS
02-20-05, 09:49 PM
HEATHER:
LOL :D
Tony
crazy kids and their crazy VD
Invest your money into Private Correctional Facilities...there will be a big need for them soon...yo...lol
Dark_Angel_25
02-21-05, 12:56 PM
I find kids disrespectful regardless of there stryle, but you know what? Most adults are no better!!
I am 8 months pregnant, and I take the Metro and Bus to work in the mornings, I have had an ELDERLY man and ELDERLY woman offer me their seats. in the 8 months I have been carrying, only TWICE has this happened. Heck! When I was under 5 months I would offer more pregnant ladies my seat!
And dont even get me started on the gangsta wannabees, every morning and nioght there are cops at my last Metro stop because of these kids hanging around breaking stuff, smoking up or harassing the general public before and after school.
And what about the GIRLS? some of them are WORSE than the boys! Wearing outfits that would put hookers to shame!! I tell you, It almost makes me afraid to give birth to Logan... he is much safer in my belly!!!
clint545
02-21-05, 01:06 PM
How about holding doors open for people? I was raised to do it and I've had older people almost fall over from shock when I hold a door open:)
But what's worse is when you hold a door open for someone and they just walk past without saying Thank-you. The worst part about that ,is it's usually ppl that are old enough to know to say thank you that don't. The ones that do say thanks are usually the young kids:)
Originally posted by clint545
How about holding doors open for people? I was raised to do it and I've had older people almost fall over from shock when I hold a door open:)
But what's worse is when you hold a door open for someone and they just walk past without saying Thank-you. The worst part about that ,is it's usually ppl that are old enough to know to say thank you that don't. The ones that do say thanks are usually the young kids:)
They walk through the door like you had no choice BUT to hold it open for them.
I take my nephew to his skating lessons every Monday and Wednesday night and entering the arena I always hold the door for anyone behind me and if there's 10 people, i'll hold it for all 10. MAYBE 2 of those 10 will say thank you and it's ALWAYS kids.. Of all the kids skating, their parents likely range between ages 29-35 and NONE of them will tank you for holding the front door open, the dressing room door open or the door to the ice surface. As soon as one of the kids come through that open door, they say thank you right away..
-Matt
crazy4reptiles
02-21-05, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by Dark_Angel_25
Most adults are no better!!
That is true.... and when it comes to public transit in my city... it is a shame... grown men also won't give up their seat on the train to a women... it makes me wonder somtimes... I was raised very old fashioned... to be a gentleman... opening doors, weither it be a car or a building, walking on the outside of a sidewalk with a lady... etc etc... and especially giving my seat up to women ... especially a pregnant one on a train.... I actually got very mad at a man one time on the train.. well a couple men... who just sat there well a pregnant lady... with a freekin toddler was trying to balance her kid in a stroller... not to mention herself on a pact C- train one day... needless to say I aired my opinion very openly and loudly... and made them feel very stupid to boot... she had a seat very quickly!!!
Anyways this thread has adopted a couple different topics now...
Edit: Another thing that gets to me is when someone asks how you are?... and you say good, and you?........... and they don't answer you ..... makes me mental.... lol.. Don't ask me if your not going to answer me back!!!
Vengeance
02-21-05, 01:36 PM
One of my problems with the "thug" look isn't so much how funny it looks or people sporting fake "bling", but what it stands for. The message a person that dresses or acts like that is trying to send is that of a criminal. The whole genre disgusts me, people thinking it is ok to be violent, sell and do drugs, commit crimes, it's all mainstream now and "cool". I know people shouldn't be judged by their appearance, but if you are going to dress that way that what image do you expect to promote? I know one point brought up by heather was that of piercing, I can see how people are unfairly judged because of piercing and I personally see nothing wrong with them as it is just self mutilation and doesn't hurt anyone else. But the image of the "thug" and that kind of dress and what it stands for, I think, should not be tolerated. It promotes nothing good and only sends a negative message that as a person you believe it is ok to act like the gangster genre promotes.
JAdkins2451
02-21-05, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by clint545
How about holding doors open for people? I was raised to do it and I've had older people almost fall over from shock when I hold a door open:)
But what's worse is when you hold a door open for someone and they just walk past without saying Thank-you. The worst part about that ,is it's usually ppl that are old enough to know to say thank you that don't. The ones that do say thanks are usually the young kids:)
I totally know what you mean, being a punk when I was younger people were afraid.. But when your leaving a restraunt/store and you hold the door open for the people behind they seemed quit suprised.. I also agree that most the people that do thank you are younger, but I always get a thank you from elderlys. But the middle aged people dont say anything like its a responsibility to hold the door for them.
Jeez, I'm getting old. Where did the term 'bling' come from? I get what it means and sort of assume it comes from the gangsta rap? correct?
I heard a story about a kid who tried to hold up a small store and soon had the cops running after him---poor boys pants were sooo droopy that they literally fell to his knees and he tripped!!! ...yep, he got caught. lol
I grew up in the 80's when the whole punk look was cool --I got totally into it. I liked it because everyone looked unique in their own way --thrifting was cool. Punks around here were like art students gone bad ---'art as crime, crime as art'. graffitti, poetic terrorism, illegal warehouse punk shows, tattoos, piercings, crazee hair. I loved it.
Today it seems so much like kids are all about the image of money--power is money--that's all that matters. Girls look sleazy and the boys look like they want to KILL something. I think it's sad and ugly.
They do look like dope dealers. Makes me feel like going up to them and slappin them aside the head AND giving their parents a kick in the butt!
Originally posted by Vengeance
One of my problems with the "thug" look isn't so much how funny it looks or people sporting fake "bling", but what it stands for. The message a person that dresses or acts like that is trying to send is that of a criminal. The whole genre disgusts me, people thinking it is ok to be violent, sell and do drugs, commit crimes, it's all mainstream now and "cool". I know people shouldn't be judged by their appearance, but if you are going to dress that way that what image do you expect to promote? I know one point brought up by heather was that of piercing, I can see how people are unfairly judged because of piercing and I personally see nothing wrong with them as it is just self mutilation and doesn't hurt anyone else. But the image of the "thug" and that kind of dress and what it stands for, I think, should not be tolerated. It promotes nothing good and only sends a negative message that as a person you believe it is ok to act like the gangster genre promotes.
come on now that is ridiculous...
we had a discussion where crap like this was brought up before and the topic was closed if i remember correctly..
ShawnBC
02-21-05, 08:28 PM
Well, I think you guys are right... Some of you say Ganstas, others says Punk... Know what? I'm 15, i'm the type of guy who mostly listen to black/death metal, and I still hold door to people, give my seat to eldery persons and women (pregnant or not), and I walk on the side of the street while walking with women.. Always walk 2 step behind when going upstairs and 2 step in front while going downstairs, just in case ladies would fall (it arrived once and damn, was she happy I was there!). Some people (like me) are lucky enough to have been raised by good parents like mines...
Hope you guys understand even with my bad English!
Well growing up I was always a jeans and T type of girl, that was what was comfy it was what I wore. LOL, I have my tongue pierced now and 2 tattoos, and my hair is what ever color I fancy for a while and I get strange looks from time to time. I agree with the the thugs/gangta/pimp look is rediculous look at the names of the looks why would anyone want to look like a criminal???? Doesn't make sense to me. When I've got my 4yr olds at the playground and the 6-8 yr olds sound worse than sailors do, I get mad. I have on a few occasions had a few teenagers who were there start swearing and one of them right away told the others to watch their mouth there where little kids present!! Yay, score one for their parents!! I do get a kick out of parents that dress their toddlers to look like miniature 20 yr old in belly tops and hip huggers and their are the same ones whining that their 12 yr old is dressing to sexy, duh it is what you have been dressing them in since they were 2 why would they change now. I personally like my 4 yr olds to look like 4 yr olds.
I agree with shawnbc, i havent read thje whole thing through so i dont kno if this is already said or not, but ive caught a few things calling thes exco thiugs punks, theyr not. punk is a whole thing in of it self, a culture and and the true, a beliefe, these kids are a bunch of loosers doing what the media says is cool, because they have no taste of their own, also withthe parents being more afraid of their kids, kids arent that dumb, they now theyr parents cant touch them, or social services can take over, in the way of discipline, all parents can do is ground and take stuff away, woopdy do, and like shawn said, hope u understand through the grammar
sneaky_boa
02-21-05, 10:20 PM
I used to work a youth program both in the jane and finch area of TO and some of the seedier towns in the niagara region (Up untill I moved west not too long ago). These 'thug' kids for real think gangs are cool, and the pierced punk kids are no better. They are just copying what they see because thay have no REAL good media role models and they will continue to emmulate what they see until they find a persona that they like or discover one for themselves. IN my experience most of these kids are good kids, and the rude ones on the street will generally change their ways when confronted. Parents in recent years have been left with few effective parenting tools (what with spanking being ousted) and so discipline for these kids is a rareity. Therefore they are continually pusing the envelope until they find someone who will stop them. It's no different than when I was a kid, just that then more people were willing to stop the behaviour sooner....now the laws have made us fearful of getting sued or parents getting their kids taken away.
I have many visible mods and encounter a lot of prejudice in my daily travels...what we need to do always is be a positive role models to these 'punk' kids, instead of discounting them. They are our future leaders and once they pass through their phase of media worship and emmulation they'll turn out just as jadded and capable as the gen x-ers and the y-s. This stuff has been happening for eons (rockers, hippys etc.) They look silly and someday they'll look back at themselves (as we all have) and laugh!
HeatherRose
02-21-05, 10:27 PM
and the pierced punk kids are no better. They are just copying what they see because thay have no REAL good media role models and they will continue to emmulate what they see until they find a persona that they like or discover one for themselves. IN my experience most of these kids are good kids, and the rude ones on the street will generally change their ways when confronted. Parents in recent years have been left with few effective parenting tools (what with spanking being ousted) and so discipline for these kids is a rareity.
I've had piercings everywhere, a couple tattoos and have been known to sport pink hair on occasion... it has nothing to do with emmulating the media, nor the music I listen to. Media worship? Get real. I do it 'cause I like it. I think some people group people who look the way I do/did into one group of disrespectful little street urchins and it's beyond ridiculous.
I have amazing parents, and I've always been extremely respectful of them and other authority figures... I have a home and go to school and have a job... but I'll stop now, as ignorance is simply ignorance and therefore there's no use arguing with closed minds.
As a parent, I believe there are many great ways to discipline children rather than spanking. Children naturally want to please their parents the problem is from small on parents give in because they don't want the child making a scene in a mall so instead of simply picking up their screaming tantrum throwing child tossing them over their shoulder and taking them home they give the kid what they want so they stop making a scene. I know all children are different, I have triplets and different things work for each one. I suppose I will have to see how things go once they are older but I am also a strong believer in keeping them busy with positive things keeps them out of trouble. My girls are in gymnastics, Tae Kwon Do and are in school 5 days a week. Keep them active enough that they won't have time to get into trouble.
Children are what we raise them to be, when I notice my children doing things I don't like I usually find it is something I do without even realizing I do it.
I also went to school, hold a full time job, have a pretty large amount of animals, have manners and oh my godness....I have over half a dozen tattoos and 11 peircings. All I started getting at 14.
Watch out for me! :D:D:D
Marisa
PS. Way back when people thought they way Elvis danced was going to send the entire teenage population to hell. Also way back when Ozzy was thought to be Satan or at least worship him by most parents, and now you can buy his "Bobble head" at Wal Mart.
JAdkins2451
02-21-05, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by sneaky_boa
. IN my experience most of these kids are good kids, and the rude ones on the street will generally change their ways when confronted.
I disagree with this, you can confront all you want but they will just cus you out.. And the chance when you confont these kids you could get jumped or stabbed is very likely. How do I know this is I have seen it happen. I agree with you whan you say they think gangs are cool.. I also worked in the Jane and Finch area (landscape) we have found guns there on more then one occasion so it is a bad area. And I give you kudos for tryin to make a diffrence in that area..
Originally posted by HeatherRose
I've had piercings everywhere, a couple tattoos and have been known to sport pink hair on occasion... it has nothing to do with emmulating the media, nor the music I listen to. Media worship? Get real. I do it 'cause I like it. I think some people group people who look the way I do/did into one group of disrespectful little street urchins and it's beyond ridiculous.
I agree with Heather, I am 26 soon to be 27 mom of 3 and I have tattoos, piercing and sport unique hair occasionally. LOL, I listen to all sorts of music and do not consider myself to be a punk. I have my 1st dan black belt in Tae Kwon Do, my husband owns a successfull business. I have my tongue pierced cause I like it, hubby likes it too but I did if for me. There are other piercings I'm interested in too but I do them strictly for my personal pleasure. My tattoos are again simply for me. My previous TKD master told me once if I got another tat I could leave my black belt in his office, I responded that my tats were no different that wearing different styles of clothes, it didn't affect who I am as a person. He said the other masters thought all his students were a bunch of punks cause we had tats and some of the guys had piercings. I told him to take a look at the behaviour instead of what we are wearing, and he had no response. People do judge on what we look like, seems to be human nature but unfortunately with the gangta "look", the attitude seems to be tied in, at least I've yet to see a kid in the guise without them coping the tude to go with it.
coldblooded
02-22-05, 06:27 PM
Nita: you should have left your belt and cruised... It's only good for holding up your pants... unless it was a "special" belt :)
Mike
HumphreyBoagart
02-22-05, 07:25 PM
Sneaky Boa:
I find it really depressing that you are trying to be a role model to these kids. I truely hope you don't teach them your morals and ethics. I agree with Heather, Marissa and Nita (amongst others from previous pages that I can't remember who said what).
I grew up in a small town and I have been stereotyped my entire life. I am literally covered in tattoos and piercings. I am also an honour student. I recently recieved honours in my post-secondary education as well. I have been working 16 hour days at 2 different jobs since I graduated. I also have an excellent relationship with my parents who I have a great deal of respect for, and the respect is returned as well. I also show respect to anyone who shows me respect, and continue showing respect for as long as possible to those with a lack of respect. I'm gonna quit writing now as you are getting me right worked up. I sincerely feel for those kids you are trying to "help".
Craig
The ones in the streets ussually dont change their attitudes when confronted... at least from what I've seen / heard.
All in all, your look doesn't say anythin' about who you are... You can be a Jew living in the suburbs of Montreal or a computer nerd or a thug... and still be a criminal, book worm or reptile hobbyist... I'm sick of the typical "thugs are criminals" bullshit and "peirced punks'' are street bums... have an open mind from time to time and accept...
Mike
MTV, thank you for all the different people.....that you didn't affect.
It's a good way of effortlessly finding genuine friends. The people who don't confront you and have a negative opinion towards you are obviously ingenuine people and would make absolutely horrible friends. ANYONE who judges someone by assuming their behaviour and personality by their appearance is a complete moron and is someone you wouldn't want around you. The punks and rockers I know, 100% of them, are the most genuine, awesome people I know, most of them were the smartest in school, all of them have extreme talents and are very fair and wise in their opinions, and are fun to hang out with. Gangtas are harmless as long as you don't get on their bad side, I'm talking about true gangstas. If you know where gangs have 'territory' you obviously don't want to be around there, and like with any place, don't go alone in crummy places or at night when they're out on the prowl. My buddy's dad was in a gang in Vancouver, I don't have much respect for gangs from the stories he's told me, but they ARE a family. When you've got no one to look out for you, you look to fill that void in your life and gangs are a good place to find a lot of people to back you up. Dressing like them is basically like wearing your family crest, its pride. 'Represent motha ***' as the saying goes.
Punks are awesome, no need to bring them into this conversation.
Kiddie Thugs/gangstas though are kind of materialistic and territorial and pretty much fake people because of their purchased, commercial image. Personality, however, I've met some thugs/gangstas that you can't carry a conversation with, but are pretty funny because you can't help but laugh at their fake personality ahahahahaha I'm laughing just thinking about it.
Speaking of the little kids who wear this crap, I'm not a fan of the bling bling, I think if you sport some jewelery that has some meaning to you then that's fine, but when it becomes a means of establishing a status symbol of being a 'high roller' via cubic zirconia, then come on, it's not like wearing your favourite band t-shirt, it's just creepy.
The worst is when they walk like they have a limp, and when they wear bandaids on their face......
-Insights of Brock
AAAnd one thing I've noticed is that girls flock to these kinds of guys, the thugs/gangstas, and I would say it's because they know they are protected. If you're a beautiful girl and have a lot of guys on your tail, then getting with someone who will kick their *** is definately a good way of keeping yourself safe. In the end, though, you become dependant and wind up getting tossed around and treated like ****, from what I've heard. When you've got seemingly 10K worth of diamonds on you and platinum, then a girl is obviously going to assume you can take care of her, girls want security both physical and financial, someone who has enough expendible income to become so decorated seems to be the right kind of guy on an instinctual level.
-Further Insights of Brock
sneaky_boa
02-23-05, 11:06 AM
Humphrey....dude...that just hurts. I was trying to say some good things about these kids. I have seen a lot about these kids' home life (keep in mind I am talking about the severe cases of lower income families), not the middle class kids. Maybe there's a misunderstanding??? What's so bad about what I said? Why am I a bad role model?
I wasn't trying to say that how you look has any bearing whatsoever on who you are.
Sorry if that's what you guys got form my post, but seriously not what I intended (after all, I of all people, am a heavily modded Neuroscience PhD student....clearly appearances mean nothing). But some of these 'thug' kids in TO genuinely find gangster life an attractive option.
That attack was hurtful and uncalled for. I was just speaking from my years of experience in the slums of TO.
" But some of these 'thug' kids in TO genuinely find gangster life an attractive option."
I get a kick out of this myself actually. I was born and raised in Southern California. My grandparents live directly in Los Angeles, my Mother had a residence in filthy Hollywood for awhile, and my Father in Sacramento.
I can only LAUGH and LAUGH when some Ontario raised "Thug" tries to tell me about the ghetto and being a thug. LOL! It's like dude, you live in ONTARIO CANADA, go try and fake people out in a real ghetto. Those people who live in real ghettos don't want IN , they want OUT! :D :D
But hey, its the same thing. I don't judge anyone for being into the hip hop culture, just like I don't want them judging me for having piercings and tats. Who cares what people look like anyways, I myself don't have time to worry about what some other person is wearing. :D
Marisa
HumphreyBoagart
02-23-05, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by sneaky_boa
These 'thug' kids for real think gangs are cool, and the pierced punk kids are no better. They are just copying what they see because thay have no REAL good media role models and they will continue to emmulate what they see until they find a persona that they like or discover one for themselves.
Sorry, that just sounded like a hypocritical stereotype to me. You don't like being stereotyped for having body modifications, yet you judge others by their appearance? I just don't get it that's all. I took it personally I guess, sorry I was right worked up. I am a pierced, tattooed "punk" who is very much into rap. I don't rock the zirconia, or the real shhh for that matter, and don't walk around thinking I'm Billy Bada$$ disrespecting everyone I see though. If there was one thing I learned way back in Public school it was not to make "hasty generalizations" about anyone based on they're appearance, as much as you thought you knew about them by looking at them. If you take the time to get to know them, 9 times outta 10 you were wrong about them, and the 1 that actually was how you thought they were, go ahead and dislike them. You now have a reason not to like them based on something other than your hasty generalizations.
Hump.
Well I have to agree with you there. Everyone gets something from someone. If someone wants to look like some one they have seen on tv or w/e thats fine. They are not copying, it may just be there style....what they like as an individual. I agree, that some things may look rediculous, though who are we to judge?
sneaky_boa
02-23-05, 09:45 PM
I seeeeee.......I see where the misunderstanding happened. Yep, I carelessly used the word 'pierced'....no that was an unintentional generalization. I was just using it as an adjective, not a sterotype...if that makes sense. Like saying 'those black haired goths'....nothing offensive or stereotypical, just a description. (I think that may come off wrong as well....I give up!)
I can see how that might mave been completely misconstrued. Thanks for clearing it up!
HeatherRose
02-23-05, 09:48 PM
Isn't that kind of stereotypical though? :p
Even with the goth 'generalization' (which is what it comes off as even if unintended) I have good friends who are just scary looking, and people stare when we walk down the street.... they're still the sweetest people ever though.
The word 'pierced' applies to many, many people who do not fit into the category you're implying...
HumphreyBoagart
02-23-05, 09:50 PM
It was actually "those pierced punk kids are no better" that did it for me. I don't even want to get into it, but how can't you know that thats a generalization?
sneaky_boa
02-23-05, 10:10 PM
OMG!!! I wasn't intenting to offend and now I keep digging myself deeper...seriously. I don't stereotype I don't generalize
And this is a totally wasted effort at this point. I've been horrifically misunderstood and I guess it'll just have to be left at that. Moot point now.
ATBlover
02-23-05, 10:45 PM
Iceman...did you get your WLP yet?...Connor
HumphreyBoagart
02-23-05, 11:00 PM
Sneaky Boa,
Don't worry about it. Just try and watch how you word things, it's like me putting " no worse than those damn sneaky boas!"
Meanwhile there's a sneaky boa reading it, you know what I mean?
Hump.
At a local tae kwon do tournament here there was a little boy about 5 yr old that had his hair dyed blue. Personally I thought he was adorable and was thinking how nice it was that his parents allowed him this creativity. I noticed he seemed quite upset though and overheard a bunch of older kids commenting how this kid was just a punk and on and on. I was disgusted he was 5 for crying out loud. My girls thought his hair was great and so I told them to go tell him that, wich they did and little guy cheered up right away. I also went and spoke to the kids that were talking bad about him. He had earned the right to dye his hair blue by listening in school and getting good marks on his TKD test, got a chance to visit with his mom while he was competing since the girls wanted to watch him :) 4 yrs old and boy crazy LOL. My girls have all dyed their hair they got to pick the color, lol, they had to pick at superstore though so we got 2 red heads and a blonde!! If I had been at Sanctuary when they got to pick we would have pink, purple and green.
Ok, speaking of little thugs! What is with wearing the jeans half way down their legs? How do they keep them from falling all the way down? I'm all for baggy jeans but why reveal your boxers? Imagine how funny that would look if they wore tighty whities!
tHeGiNo
02-24-05, 07:15 PM
Guys, take a second and think about the reality of things. Every generation has their own dominant style / styles. Every generation looks at the generation after them and ridicules them - lets face it, we were / are all outcasts to someone / some people. Not everyone is the same, and the majority of people did some stupid things as teenagers.
HeatherRose,
My law teacher was telling me a story which relates to the modern-day stereotype against those with 'abnormal' peircings. She had her nose and tounge peirced, and was working in Cash Converters in the summer as the school year was over. Working in the jewelerry department, she was approached by a lady who had begun to question what she was doing with her life. She made such comments as "Where do you expect do get in life with those peircings," "Don't you want to make something of yourself in life, instead of working in a Cash Converters," "You're a really good looking female, you can do much better." My teacher replied asking her daughters age, which the lady told her was 12. My teacher replied, "Really, well I am a highschool teacher at Notre Dame S.S, maybe I will see her one day," stuck her tounge out, and walked away.
Basically, the moral of this story is that the unfortunate reality of today, and of every generation in the past and those to come, are full with these often discriminatory prejudices and stereotypes. As a little side note, no employer is allowed to tell you that you have to take your peircings out.
I will admit though, and this is coming from a high-school teenager, kids now-a-days are incredibly disrespectful. I get eight year olds telling me to F-Off, shooting swear words at me that I didn't learn until I was 14! It is a really unfortunate situation - it really disgusts me sometimes. I remember back in elementary, I would be helping out with the kindergarden classes, and on more then one occassion, from several different children, I was sworn at. I couldn't believe it, where do they get this from?
" But some of these 'thug' kids in TO genuinely find gangster life an attractive option."
I get a kick out of this myself actually. I was born and raised in Southern California. My grandparents live directly in Los Angeles, my Mother had a residence in filthy Hollywood for awhile, and my Father in Sacramento.
I can only LAUGH and LAUGH when some Ontario raised "Thug" tries to tell me about the ghetto and being a thug. LOL! It's like dude, you live in ONTARIO CANADA, go try and fake people out in a real ghetto. Those people who live in real ghettos don't want IN , they want OUT!
But hey, its the same thing. I don't judge anyone for being into the hip hop culture, just like I don't want them judging me for having piercings and tats. Who cares what people look like anyways, I myself don't have time to worry about what some other person is wearing.
Marisa
Marisa, you have NO idea how much I agree with you. I see these kids at my school, and I can't help but laugh at some of the things I hear. I am in Brampton, and am surrounded by these kids who think they are in Compton, yet living in the suburbs. I have no problem with the hip-hop style, infact I listen to a lot of the music, its just the attitude and the fakeness which is generally associated with this style that I cannot stand.
Unfortunatly, it's not the clothing that people see that gives them these impressions, IMO thats a misconception. It's the attitudes that float around with youth right now, and it just seems a majority wear these types of clothing. Clothing means nothing, expensive or cheap (fake) it's the person wearing it and how they hold themselves, and it seems like theres alot to be said on that these days.....
Marisa, Gino.. Theres alot more going on here than you would know, I wouldn't dismiss that while comparing it to places like Compton, and Los Angeles. Yes those places are pretty bad, but Toronto is getting there. Only we have a very small fraction of their population. I do see what you're saying but Toronto is far from a clean "suburban" city.
tHeGiNo
02-24-05, 09:44 PM
Marisa, Gino.. Theres alot more going on here than you would know, I wouldn't dismiss that while comparing it to places like Compton, and Los Angeles. Yes those places are pretty bad, but Toronto is getting there. Only we have a very small fraction of their population. I do see what you're saying but Toronto is far from a clean "suburban" city.
Hey Adam, sorry for any confusion, but I was referring to the 'hardcore gangsters' of Brampton. You know, living in the detached houses, wearing Phat Pharm and G-Units, yet apparantly in the ghetto. Brampton is much different from the bad parts of Toronto, we have our problems every now and then, but trust me - they are not living 'the hard life.'
havenbounce
02-24-05, 10:25 PM
Rudness and disrespect has nothing to do with the way someone dresses. We get some little brats from rich famillies act just as bad as the fake wantabees thugs that hang out at malls. Sometimes I think they can be worse because they know their parents can afford to bail them out. Parenting or lack of has alot to do with it and sometimes it can be the cause of it. There is alot of adults out there who treat people like "servents" God we get adults who come into the store go right to the cash (in front of other people who have been standing in line I might add) say what they want and expect the cashier to stop what their doing and go get it for them and than walk it out to their car without even a thank you!
Ginnette
Kids definately learn it from the parents. At a back to school thing they have here in Edmonton the lines were huge I was there with my sister and our children (totaling 6) and 2 girls around 10-13 tried to cut into the line, I informed them as to where the line started and the took off to the back. Not 2 minutes later they are back with their mom who is pushing them to the front telling them to just go up to the front. I looked at her and said "Gee I thought the kids were bad trying to jump the line but at least now I know where they learned it!" The woman just stood there open mouthed.
sorry to be off topic, but
atblover:
i am getting it on monday :D
Lotta true gangstas and big timers live around my area. Good old Scarborough, hell... I loved growin' up in this part of town....
ATBlover
02-26-05, 03:00 PM
ahaha nice...i bet you cant wait the?...who are you getting it from?...Connor
sleddergirl
02-27-05, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by clint545
How about holding doors open for people? I was raised to do it and I've had older people almost fall over from shock when I hold a door open:)
But what's worse is when you hold a door open for someone and they just walk past without saying Thank-you. The worst part about that ,is it's usually ppl that are old enough to know to say thank you that don't. The ones that do say thanks are usually the young kids:)
I agree.......I've taught my kids both to hold doors open for people, to be respectful. Yet adults will walk through a door with a 10 year old or 6 year old holding the door for them, and NOT say Thank you. This is older people too.........yet they are the ones saying kids are disrespectful these days....:rolleyes:
I will very loudly say to my kids "Thanks for holding the door honey, it was nice of you to have respect enough to do that" making sure the ignorant person hears every word.
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