Hoax? It's your say

[CORN_SNAKE91]

Hey, I'm getting to a conclusion that the first moon landing (by the Americans in 1969) was a hoax. Now before some (or all) of you start killing me I wanted to express the views on why I think this.

Here are a few links:


Carpenoctem (http://carpenoctem.tv/cons/moon.html)

http://batesmotel.8m.com/

http://www.moonpeople.com/html/themoon/conspiracy.html

EDIT: now you can start killing me :p

[Davey312]

it SEEMS to me (i could be wrong) you mostly got your information from sites that say it was a hoax.. that would influence you quite a bit.. maybe if you read some information off of a site giving details of the planning or the mission.. the construction of the shuttle.. etc, you might change your view on the subject, but not everyone will feel the same way or beleive the same things about the subject. it's your choice :)

Davey

[joey]

total hoax. i've been convinced for years.

[HeatherRose]

I'm with Joey 100%

For anyone who is a fence sitter or remains skeptical in any way, I suggest you check out the documentary "A Funny Thing Happened On The Way to The Moon", I was a fence sitter until I saw it, and regardless, it's a great and well put together film.

[tHeGiNo]

Moon conditions are different and absolutely alien. The Moon has no atmosphere and less gravity and these mean that things will look wierd, objects will move differently and events will have unusual consequences. If the NASA scientists hadn't sent anyone to the Moon then how would they have known for certain what the conditions were like and so, how could they have reproduced them in a hoax.

This quote in addition to the fact that this is fourty years ago, when we did not have the technology or means to produce such a hoax, is for me enough to prove this "conspiracy theory" a load of crap.

[CORN_SNAKE91]

For anyone who is a fence sitter or remains skeptical in any way, I suggest you check out the documentary "A Funny Thing Happened On The Way to The Moon", I was a fence sitter until I saw it, and regardless, it's a great and well put together film.

I actually saw this documentary....it influenced me a lot.... not those sites alone

[HeatherRose]

It's an amazing documentary, and it just keeps throwing things at you. I think even the biggest skeptic would have their mind changed by it, I challenge all of you skeptics to watch it and see if you still retain your original beliefs afterwords.

[CORN_SNAKE91]

are u sure of that statement the gino? because we ppl in the 21st century are ingnorant to the fact that they still had technology enough to film it here on earth, and the first link saying it was probably filmed in US in the desert

[JAdkins2451]

Originally posted by HeatherRose
I'm with Joey 100%

For anyone who is a fence sitter or remains skeptical in any way, I suggest you check out the documentary "A Funny Thing Happened On The Way to The Moon", I was a fence sitter until I saw it, and regardless, it's a great and well put together film.

I totally agree with Heather.. As soon as I seen the documentary I totally belived it was a hoax.

Jamie

[Ptindy]

I think that was a hoax completely. Don't forget people, at this point in time all leading countries of the world were competing to land the first shuttle on the moon or enter outerspace.

Mike

[tdherper]

Do you realize the magnitude and scope of this supposed conspiracy. How many hundreds of people would have to be in on this? Could they have remained silent all these years? How about espionage? The race to the moon was huge in its time, do you not think the international intelligence community would not have found out?
There are so many conspiracy theories, it's a subculture. I generally argue for this hoax argument with friends and family for kicks, but I know that logic and human nature would not allow this hoax to continue for nearly fourty years.
My .02 :zi:

[Shad0w]

I saw the documentary and still think we landed on the moon...

Its simply amusing how every accomplishment man makes these days is either a HOAX or a conspiracy :) HEH... man is truely his/her own worst enemy :D

Anywho... to each their own :D

BTW.. anyone here been to Kennedy and watch a shuttle or rocket launch?

I did and I tell ya.. was a very moving experience... Almost religeous (and Im not a religeous guy)... the power of those rockets is just unbelieveable... makes the air shake...

Edit: Lisa, yes with good telescopes you can see stuff left over... I know we have mirrors set up there from back then that we still use for measurements using lasers...

[Lisa]

With a good telescope you're supposed to be able to see the stuff left over on the moon.

[CORN_SNAKE91]

the stuff could very well be from the previous landings on the moon (not with people inside them)

though i may be wrong here

[Gary D.]

And JFK is still alive. That's why the CIA snuffed Maryln Monroe. Elvis blew his brains out with a shotgun, but the media thought that the amphetamine angle sounded better, and Yoko Ono was the one who contracted the hit on John Lenon.

Does that about cover it?

[tdherper]

You forgot 9/11 and Roswell...

[paulsreef]

A theory is just a theory. I bet the same people that think the lunar landing was a hoax believe that crop circles are not a hoax.

[Paleosuchus]

Most of these hoaxes are bullcrap but the evidense on those two links alone should not leave one person wandering if we did or not, to me it is clear we didnt.

[Will]

You forgot 9/11 and Roswell...

...And Sasquatch and 'Nessie... :rolleyes:

[Gary D.]

Roswell... Did you know that during the height of the cold war Reagan was developing weapons based on alien design. It was feared however that weapons could well put the balance of world power in the hands of the US. and that the Russians would attempt a first strike if they got wind of the program. Also that if the program did succeed it would end the prosperity of the arms race. And of course, most significantly, it would mean revealing the truth about Roswell and alien existance. As a result Reagan spent the rest of his days in a drug induced stupor and the project was burried.

[HeatherRose]

A theory is just a theory. I bet the same people that think the lunar landing was a hoax believe that crop circles are not a hoax.

Perhaps... but there is no footage of aliens making crop circles, while there is documented video of the Apollo 11 astronauts placing black paper over the window of their craft to make it appear that they were much, much farther from earth than they really were, and then removing it once they were finished taping (this was in that documentary)... among many many other things... IMO there are just TOO many things that are off about the moon landing.

[Double J]

Originally posted by HeatherRose
It's an amazing documentary, and it just keeps throwing things at you.

Often this is a warning bell that a documentary or article is pseudoscience.

[Double J]

Let's not forget that Kurt Cobain was murdered and that Tupac is still alive. :joker:

[Scales Zoo]

The Skull and bones society, 100 years old, filled with Bush's Cheynies etc...

They started the CIA, which smugled drugs for profit. Vietnam war was about heroin, Noriega was about cocaine. Lots of webpages on this stuff.

Well JFK, a Kennedy (hates Skull and bones and vice versa) knew all this, and decided to kill the CIA. The opposite (through mob drug ties) happened.

Reagans say no to drugs campaign, and all the drug busts, keep the price of lucrative drugs high, for the CIA, made of Skull and Bonesmen, like both Bush's. Drugs are illegal because of this money they fund, in a black market.

Oil became lucrative in the late 70's, and most of all these people are also tied in with major companies making lotsa coin over recent wars and other things.

I could go on and on, but there are many books not found on Amazon that prove all this to be true. I've asked Michael Moore to do a movie on this huge thing that has been kept secret, and he might, as he also knows all this stuff is true.

See how long it takes some guys in black coats to show up at my house. Save what I have typed on a floppy disk, and hide it with your sugar!

Ryan

[HeatherRose]

How so?

What I meant by that statement, is that there are just SO many things off about the moon landing that it's very hard to remain a fence sitter after seeing it...

Not that it keeps hurling random crap about conspiracies at you, sorry if you misunderstood...

:)

[Scales Zoo]

Or what about "global oil". Search that in google, there is a huge page showing the old plan for U.S domination of oil and gas, and how they know it will run out in 2015, leading to huge stock market crashes.

Moore, made mention of this because every time the Bush's are in power, they attack the middle east, as has been planned by the bonesmen for over 20 years. This is documented, and is a fact, lots of books you can buy proving all this stuff, but you don't often find them for sale on popular internet sites.

Suzuki and others have written about this, but still it remains hidden from the public.

These things I post are real, media hides them from us!

No people at my door yet!

Ryan

[Will]

I thought that was The Stonecutters... ;)

[Scales Zoo]

Stonecutters was a comedic take off the masons - not a lot of real exciting stuff with that sect - it' mostly urban legends (i've seen all the books and swords and alters and things - interesting, but kid's play)

Skull and Bones are what every secret society looks up to. They are real, and they are evil!

I meant "Peak Oil" - about the stockmarket crash in 2015, and what various countries have been doing to secure oil, gas and other fossil fuels to try to live past 2015.

Google it!

Ryan

[Gary D.]

AAAAAAHHHHHHH my computer just locked up they're coming for me for sure now. I know it.

[beanersmysav]

I've been on the fence about it, no one can prove it one way or the other so I just sit back and listen to other people act like they know :D

[crimsonking]

Yeah, but I have PROOF of another conspiracy.......
and it's NOT WHO YOU THINK!!!!
take a look!
:Mark

[Slipknot]

Dale Gribble:

"The Super Bowl was filmed 6 months ago in the same secret wherehouse the moon landing was faked in!"

:p

[Gary D.]

Did I ever tell you about the smurfs?...

[concept3]

well since nobody knows and know one will ever know quit acting like your geniuses and trying to make everyone else look stupid/

[HeatherRose]

well since nobody knows and know one will ever know quit acting like your geniuses and trying to make everyone else look stupid

I don't see that *anywhere* in this thread...if you don't have anything to contribute....

:rolleyes:

[Scales Zoo]

I also like all the theories to lyrics of songs and things. The beatles Abbey road has lots of conspiracies, and the lyrics of "stairway to heaven" have been way too scrutinized. Was just on a link last night about them - and they were way off! They credit it to Lord of the Rings....

Just read one about Popeye the cartoon and drug references. Spinach was an old slang for marijuana, and there is a lot of evidence pointing Popeyes poweres to cannabis, and other drug references.

I know we are also teatering on the rules of the forum with the government conspiracies, but many biblical things and references are pretty interesting and weird. For example, the popeye thing I read mentioned the "burning bush", and it being an old reference for marijuana from the bible. If Jesus had turned the field to MJ instead of turning water to wine, we'd all be toking every Sunday in church! Damn water!

Gary sent me this link cause he knows I am "Mr. Conspiracy theory guy" I guess I am.... all these things are very intriguing.

For the record. the man on the moon thing... It was a race so the soviets would spend their coin on the space race, rather than nuclear weapons and arms. It turned into a U.S vs the Soviets, so the government at the time did fake the first one, to boost moral support for the U.S.

Since then, man has walked on the moon, for real - which truly suprises the people who were in charge of the hoax in the first place.

Ryan

[concept3]

you must need stronger eye glasses ;)

[HeatherRose]

My glasses are pretty strong actually... feel free to point it out if you can find some evidence of everyone trying to make everyone else look 'stupid'... I just see a really cool discussion :D

[Gary D.]

well since nobody knows and know one will ever know quit acting like your geniuses and trying to make everyone else look stupid/

If you are you suggesting my smurf theory is bogus I'm affraid I'll ahve to ask you to step out side. I'm very proud of that theory thank you. :D

[tdherper]

For the record. the man on the moon thing... It was a race so the soviets would spend their coin on the space race, rather than nuclear weapons and arms. It turned into a U.S vs the Soviets, so the government at the time did fake the first one, to boost moral support for the U.S.

Since then, man has walked on the moon, for real - which truly suprises the people who were in charge of the hoax in the first place.


HUH?? Where's the proof? I heard recently a guy caught a baby dinosaur in the US..... I heard the dino scream on the radio,"coasttocoastam"....
Don't you think a scam of this magnitude would have been readily exposed after all these years? Geraldo Rivera would be all over it ;)

[concept3]

lol, by all means gary, share this theory

[paulsreef]

Geraldo Rivera is an Alien. You can tell by his moustache. Nobody has a moustache like that.

[sneaky_boa]

I'm with people on the whole moon conspiracy thing, but I did see a made-for-TV dealy a few months ago that actually set up a 'moon set' (like the hoax people claim) and disproved all the points of arguement that the conspiracy theorists had (like the flag in the wind and the shadows being incorrect and all that). It was pretty convincing at the time. But, how long have they been working on disproving the conspiracy theorists? Or maybe their 'set' footage was the REAL moon footage....or maybe they went to the moon to disprove the conspiracy :)

[Gary D.]

lol, by all means gary, share this theory

Well since you asked... (as countless people groan "not again")

The Smurfs are a comunist child indoctrination ploy. They were created in East Germany and existed for years behind the iron curtain before coming to the west and reaching saturday morning popularity. They are based on the writings of Karl Marx and mirror beautifully George orwell's 1984.

Here we go(we'll start weak and get better as we progress)...

1. Papa Smurf wears Red the colour of comunism.

2. Papa Smurf's likeness is based on the image of Karl Marx )as was big brother's)

3. the smurfs live in a communal society with no posessions

4. to further reduce individuality they all wear the same uniform which mimics papa smurf's but clearly establishes him as the authority.

5. George Orwell described to us the Marxist concepts of "double speak" and "double think". Here it is outlined that by reducing language and eliminating words from the vocabulary one can reduce free thought. The ultimate expression of this would of course be one word to describe all adjectives, adverbs, thoughts, and emotions. The happy little smurfs have sucessfully reduced this down to the term "Smurf" or "Smurfy".

6. The basis of a great many stories was Brainy Smurf striking off on his own without the permission of Papa Smurf, and often against his wishes, and without the aid of his fellow smurfs. Thus acting completely of his own free will. Invariably he would encounter great troubles and the rest of the smurfs acting as a group would have to come save his a$$. Thus teaching the moral that indivuality will get you in trouble.

7. And of course where would our little blue heros be without a villan. In this case the alchemist Gargamel (AKA capitalism). Who's sole goal in life is to exploit the smurfs and turn them into gold for his personal financial gain.


There it is in a nut shell.

GD

[Asian Jon]

Lol Gary, Thanks for sharing. That was an interesting read.

[Scales Zoo]

Thanks for making my theories seem more reasonable Gary.

Pot smoking Popeye would eat the smurfs houses and laugh, and laugh and laugh about it.

Ryan

[latazyo]

hahaa...you guys are all classic

don't forget the Pentagon was hit by a missle now too...haha

[Scales Zoo]

The pepeye link I mentioned - good read!
http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/21206/

Peak oil

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/ (very good read with lots of information)

http://www.oilempire.us/peakoil.html

skull. cia, bush, drugs, kennedy

http://www.oilempire.us/kerry.html

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/3/skullandbones.htm

http://www.crystalinks.com/skullbones2.html

Communist smurf of Gary's, there is something to this

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=smurf+communist&meta=

[SnowSnake]

I looked at http://batesmotel.8m.com/ I here I will have a go at all their "proofs" from pictures. I won't put the pics in this post so go see on the site. All the proofs have either a letter or number on that site so I will be using them as reference.

A: Quote: " On the moon, there is only one light source, the sun. This is a shot of Buzz Aldrin and Neal Armstrong planting the US flag on the moon. If the sun is the only light source used by NASA on the moon, Aldrins shadow A shadows should not be so much longer than Armstrong's"

Depending on the height of the astronaut the shadow will vary in length. (standing on a mound or in the air) And depending on the position of the sun only a few inches can make a big difference.


B: Quote: " If you will look at area B you will notice a shadow cast across Buzz Aldrin's space suit. Once again, if the Sun is the only light source used on the moon, this shadow would have been MUCH darker. "

For us to be able to see the moon at night light from the sun has to be reflected by the moons' surface and enter our eye. Since moondust is reflective light from the sun will reflect on the ground and make this shadow lighter, also the darkness of the shadow depends on where the sun is positioned.

C: Quote: " Looking at area C you will notice that the surface of the moon fades off into the distance, then is met with the moon's horizon. In a no-atmosphere environment, the ground shouldn't have faded out, but stayed crystal sharp unto the moon's horizon."

This was in 1969. Cameras weren't as good as they are now. If you have a digital camera go to a field, have someone stand in front of you, put that person in the center of the picture and snap a shot. You will see that the camera can only focus on whats in the middle but everything around will fade as it get farther.

D: Quote: " Looking at area D you can plainly see some type of structure reflected through Aldrins helmet. I do not know what it is, but it is there."

The 'structure' you see is between both astronauts because it passes in front of the little astronaut that you can see in the mask. I asked a friend who makes graphics for web sites if he could replicate something like that with photoshop, i'll get back to you on this when I get his answer.

E: Quote: "In this picture, taken from the LEM, you can see at least two abnormalities. In section E you see an abnormal shadow on the moon's surface. NASA claims that this shadow is the shadow cast by the Lunar Module, but on earth, even when aircraft is flying low to the ground, it does not produce such a clearly defined shadow."

Take a big piece of cardboard and go out about 2 hours before sunset (to get the right height of the sun) and lift the cardboard in the air. You will notice that the closer you bring the cardboard to the ground the more focused the shadow gets. Now the LEM is much bigger than the cardboard piece you will use so the shadow would be defined at a greater distance.

3: Quote: " OK, here's the kicker... if you will look at section 3 you will notice there are no stars in the sky. In fact, you will never see any stars in any NASA Moon photographs, or hear an astronaut mention anything about the glorious stars that are visible when out of the earths atmosphere."

This is probably the sites' worst "proof". Here's why: The reason you can't se very many stars at night in the city is because of the street lights. Since the street lights are so bright, the light from the stars is blended in and you can't see a star. Now imagine being on the moon with with coming from the sun (there is no atmosphere so it is brighter) and light is reflected from the ground thus making the stars "invisible" from the moons' surface.

6: same as 3
J: same as 3

K: Quote: "In area K you will notice that one side of the LEM in covered in shadow, but somehow the symbol of the US flag in illuminated. This very well could have been a touch up job."

I have 2 answers. #1: Light can pass through the fabric of the flag.
or #2: Photoshop.

L: Quote: "This picture was taken off a camera that was strapped to Conrad's chest. If the camera was attached to Conrad's chest, the top of Bean's helmet L should not be in this picture."

Get someone to stand in front of you, put a camera on your chest and take a picture. If you're close enough you won't see the top of his head.
But take another picture from the same distance, this time leen back a little and you will catch all of that persons' head in the picture.

M: Quote: " All of the shadows reflected in Bean's visor M are going off in separate directions, not in parallel lines like they should be."

This would be right if the visor was a flat mirror. Since the visor is convex this isn't true.

N: Quote: " If you will look at the Environmental sampler that Al Bean is holding, N , The reflection is coming from a light source other than the sun, but it is possible that light is being reflected off the space suit."

The light is reflected from the suit.

7: Quote: " There is a strange anomaly in the sky 7 , It is yet to be determined what that might be."

The 'anomaly' could be a piece of wire or something sticking in front of the lense but no one can say for sure.
I would also like to point out that this photo has been photoshop'd. If you look between #7 and L you will see that a circle has been lightened. Because of this the accuarcy of the pictures can be argued.

S: Quote: " In our last picture, I would like to direct your attention to the circled portion of the screen. These Lunar Rover tracks are quite well defined, don't you agree? Well, the fact is, you need a mixture of a compound, and water, to make such defined lines. I don't know if that idea is so convincing, but I assure you, this next one is."

If fine dust or sand if compacted with enough pressure it will keep the shape of the mold (tires in the picture). Seeing the size of the vehicle it was heavy enough to make imprints in the fine moon dust.

R: Quote: " If you look at the rock labeled R you will notice a the letter C carved in the rock. Perhaps a gag left by the props department?"

This could be one of many things. Either a groove in the rock, photoshop'd but I think it's a scratch on the film like the straight line to the left of the 'C'.


I was careful not to say that this is stupid because I looked at it and tried to find a logical explanaition to all the questions in the pictures. So concept3 i'm not trying to make anyone look stupid, only giving explanaitions and examples.

I would like to see if someone could shoot down my arguments with a logical reason and not just say that it's BS.

Thanks for taking the time to read this :) . What are your thoughts on my arguements?

Jean-Philippe

[Tim and Julie B]

Okay.........
Reality or hoax aside, the simple truth is that mankind just has to know everything. Noses pressed against the glass, eyes wide shut and minds running on fumes and half ideas. Now, that said, we over-ananlize every aspect of life, no matter how big or how small. We are all so convinced of conspiracies that we cannot enjoy life the way it is intended to be enjoyed. Who cares what is real and what is not, as we will never know what the "government" is really up to. They have thier dirty little hands in every pocket and coffer and hide as much as possible from the general public. That will never change. As far as the persons involved in said "conspiracies" and cover-ups, why would they jeopardize thier casual and expensive ways of life to blow anyone's cover. After all, who would believe them anyways? It basically amounts down to nothing because it's a self contained, self-destructing political merry-go-round that never stops. I think I'll sit back and let the chips fall where they may, just enjoying life and the oddities that may/may not come to pass. When the aliens come to take me away I'll just ask them to leave some evidence that they were here, to keep everyone guessing. Either that or I'll get Big Foot to send some post cards from Eden. :D

Julie:)

[Gary D.]

Thanks for taking the time there Snow. Far more topical and productive than my satirical rantings. I agree completely.

Edit: and damn, my Smurf theory was much more fun when I was the only one ranting on about it. I suppose really it was obvious and only a matter of time before someone else realised it too.

[Will]

That's too Smurfy... ;)

[SnowSnake]

Originally posted by Tim and Julie B
Okay.........
Reality or hoax aside, the simple truth is that mankind just has to know everything. Noses pressed against the glass, eyes wide shut and minds running on fumes and half ideas. Now, that said, we over-ananlize every aspect of life, no matter how big or how small. We are all so convinced of conspiracies that we cannot enjoy life the way it is intended to be enjoyed. Who cares what is real and what is not, as we will never know what the "government" is really up to. They have thier dirty little hands in every pocket and coffer and hide as much as possible from the general public. That will never change. As far as the persons involved in said "conspiracies" and cover-ups, why would they jeopardize thier casual and expensive ways of life to blow anyone's cover. After all, who would believe them anyways? It basically amounts down to nothing because it's a self contained, self-destructing political merry-go-round that never stops. I think I'll sit back and let the chips fall where they may, just enjoying life and the oddities that may/may not come to pass. When the aliens come to take me away I'll just ask them to leave some evidence that they were here, to keep everyone guessing. Either that or I'll get Big Foot to send some post cards from Eden. :D

Julie:)

heh i'm 17, I wasn't born when this happened and I don't care how many people think it's a hoax I just want to understand why they think it's a hoax. When you see big foot tell him I said Hi :D :p lol.

Jean-Philippe

[Rimshot]

i believe the landing was real, cause most of the videos are very convincing. Especially one that i saw where the astronauts were collecting rock samples, one astronaut saw a boulder, about the size of a VW Beetle 50 feet away, he started walking towards it, and he never seemed to get closer, he ended up walking hundreds of feet away to the boulder that he thought was small, turned out the boulder was the size of a small house. this is a video that i saw, it would be tremendously hard for them to fake that back then. because there is no air in space, there is no depth perception. how do u explain that you nonbelievers?

[Artemis]

FOR NON-HOAXERS:

I have to say that I too, believe it is a hoax. Based on a number of simple evidences like the flag in the pictures hanging limp in a virtually no gravity environment, among other things.

As far as goverment conspiracy goes, I can only say so much, but I live in a family of people who are REQUIRED to keep their mouths shut about what they do at work (even to their own family members) and have signed away their rights to privacy, and will get in a lot of deep dooky should things they have sworn to keep secret be revealed.

The goverment most CERTAINLY keeps secrets from its people, at least here in the good ole us of a. People like living in their little happy yuppie bubbles, and if people knew the truth about everything, im quite certain we'd have mass chaos on our hands.

I dont doubt, however, we have in fact truly been to the moon since then, but I think the original landing was, in fact, POORLY staged. Watch the movie. Weigh the evidence for yourself. The mass media will never be all over it because they know better than to piss off the CIA. I KNOW a 16 year old kid who got hauled off in a helicopter by the feds because he jokingly said in a public message board once that he was going to assasinate the pres. This was years ago, too. But dont think big brother isnt watching, and dont think that the feds dont VERY carefully guard their secrets. To think anything different is crazier than the pot smoking smurfs theories. Just some food for thought.

Artemis

[Artemis]

Sidenote-

Gary- I think your correlations are fantastic. The media is constantly feeding our kids social messages via cartoons, and communism, particularly in the era when the smurfs were created and most popular, is very likely to be one of them. People dont WANT to realize these things, because it means they have to re-evaluate what their own kids are being exposed too, and read between the lines all the time in a society that thrives on complacency. Props to you for a smashing smurfy synopsis.

Art

[dank7oo]

This is funny. They landed on the moon ... stop being haters :D

Jason

[gonesnakee]

If I told ya's anything, I'd have to Kill you all, NUFF SAID! Mark

[coldblooded]

What about the Dulce Air Base and the Denver Airport?

I wear foil hats every day... ;)

[coldblooded]

Here's a few Links as well:

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Denver_Airport.html

http://www.greatdreams.com/reptilian-humanoids.htm

[coldblooded]

Oh... and the BEST site on the Internet......


http://www.davidicke.net

Tons of good stuff...


Oh.... and if THEY do come, you won't know untill it's too late. :)

Mike

[sneaky_boa]

wait wait wait!!! did no one else catch this????

"because there is no air in space, there is no depth perception. how do u explain that you nonbelievers?"

Since when exactly do waves of light hitting your eyes have ANYTHING to do with the presence (or absence) of air??? Dude...how DO you explain that? Seriously...depth perception has very little to do with air!
Maybe you meant because of the different composition of the atmosphere? Under water there is no air and depth perception is generally still intact (with the exception of light refracting differently because of the water). But different gases in the atmosphere may change wavelengths and how the get from the sun to us???

[SnowSnake]

Originally posted by sneaky_boa
wait wait wait!!! did no one else catch this????

"because there is no air in space, there is no depth perception. how do u explain that you nonbelievers?"

Since when exactly do waves of light hitting your eyes have ANYTHING to do with the presence (or absence) of air??? Dude...how DO you explain that? Seriously...depth perception has very little to do with air!
Maybe you meant because of the different composition of the atmosphere? Under water there is no air and depth perception is generally still intact (with the exception of light refracting differently because of the water). But different gases in the atmosphere may change wavelengths and how the get from the sun to us???

I agree with you, this doesn't make sense.


Is anyone going to shoot down my arguements against the pictures on the web site? :)

[sidewinder]

Yea, the whole thing was a hoax. It was started by Big Foot and the tooth fairy because it was taking attension away from them! What a bunch of mush heads to believe such crap. I'll bet you don't believe fossils of homo erectus,neanderthals,ergaster, Homo habilis,Australopithus afarensis and africanus(just to name a few) aren't real. They were all put there by satan just to trick us!(believe it or not i've been told that by more than one ignorant person.) Or maybe being from a country that never accomplished such a wonderful thing-for that matter never accomplished squat you just can't imagine such greatness. Remember, it's not countries that make people great-it's the people that make their country great! Pitty, i've been wanting to leave this site because of the small mindedness. heres the perfect time. bye-bye

[Double J]

Originally posted by sneaky_boa

"because there is no air in space

Air in space? Of COURSE there is!

There's an Air & Space Museum!!!!

[gonesnakee]

Bye Bye sindwinder LOL small mindedness indeed! More like Too Uptightness! LOL If a silly little thread like this makes you want to Quit a HERP site well See Ya I guess Mark
P.S. Just to add more fun, which ones are the mush heads & which crap are you refering too, the Govt. & the Media? LOL And don't be bashing the Tooth Fairy neither. I still have all my teeth & plan on saving them for my retirement.
P.P.S. In reguards to Satan. Like the song says "Stand on the corner preaching down solutions... I don't need your Spirital Pollution" LOL mush heads indeed!

[gonesnakee]

LOL Double J More Like Homer J! :p Mark

[concept3]

I personally would rather NOT know what our governments are up to. It would probably make me sick. Im just fine with my subliminal happiness :)

[joey]

Scales Zoo--I agree with you completely.

In 1969 NOBODY had the technology to put a man on the moon much less a machine that could drive around. In 1969 NOBODY knew how to send a rocket through the Earth's magnetic field without people literally frying inside.

This word is chalk full of lies and deception. Nothing new.

[coldblooded]

"I'll bet you don't believe fossils of homo erectus,neanderthals,ergaster, Homo habilis,Australopithus afarensis and africanus(just to name a few) aren't real. They were all put there by satan just to trick us!(believe it or not i've been told that by more than one ignorant person.)"


A Christian friend of mine PREACHES this type of thing... Dinosaurs are fictional too, apparently.


Just nod and agree... she's alway right no matter what. :rolleyes:


Mike

[joey]

I met an old woman who tried desperately to convince me that dinosaurs were fake... !!!! I think she was an alien. lol

[sneaky_boa]

in 1969 they couldn't even make computers without devoting a whole room to just one...and a LARGE room at that. The state of other technologies at this time (outside of NASA) seriously makes me question whether a moonlanding was possible. Take a gander at where medical sciences were....they were barely able to keep petients alive on the surgery table at this time, let alone in space!

[concept3]

to answer the origional question, lol which I just realized I never answered I personally beleive it was a hoax, for Obvios reasons. After the soviets succesfully launched sputnik the americans were so scared of looking inferior they faked a moon launching to make themselves look superior.

[coldblooded]

Here's a quick moon link...

http://www.crystalinks.com/moon.html

check out http://www.space.com as well, there is some interesting stuff going on I'd never heard about.

I should probably leave my cave more often... :)

Mike

[Gary D.]

Getting a manned mission to the moon is nothing compared to getting a remote mission to anywhere. Essentially all they needed to caluclate was thrust and tradgectories. And mathmaticians could work that out on paper without computers. Most conventional jet fighter technology was more than sufficient for the dynamics of landing, amnuvering, etc. Had it not been a manned mission it would not have been possible. The human computer is what made it possible.

[paulsreef]

Back in the day people thought that Columbus didn't find America; that it was a hoax. Did my Ball Python really eat last night or did my wife remove the rat when I was asleep? Believe what you want to believe.

[latazyo]

dont' sweat it sidewinder, sometimes when people can't understand things themselves, they doubt its possibility

[RepTylE]

Originally posted by Gary D.
And JFK is still alive. That's why the CIA snuffed Maryln Monroe. Elvis blew his brains out with a shotgun, but the media thought that the amphetamine angle sounded better, and Yoko Ono was the one who contracted the hit on John Lenon.

Does that about cover it?


You forgot to mention that Jim Morrison is alive and well managing an International House of Pancakes in central Iowa.

[paulsreef]

These people that claim they don't believe in the lunar landing or 9/11 or are soon going to claim the Tsunami was also a hoax; they write books and make movies about these conspiracy theories because the only thing they believe in is your money, bottom line.

[clint545]

Here at my place we refer to Dinosaurs as Jesus Horses. :) lol

[coldblooded]

Tsunami was real... who knows about the Lunar Landing.... 9/11 was orchestrated by the... well I'm sure I'm not allowed to state my opinion on that.

Jim Morrison is dead... for many reasons.

[coldblooded]

old school tsunami:

http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/author/sitchin/tsunami.shtml

[Linds]

I try not to believe any one thing <i>too</i> much, as any major theory is just that, theory. We are so miniscule in the grand scheme of things, we will never <i>really</i> know what's happening. So while I've seen the documentary as well (it was definitely very neat), I haven't really formed any solid opinions, nor do I care to do so :p

Originally posted by joey
I met an old woman who tried desperately to convince me that dinosaurs were fake... !!!! I think she was an alien. lol
Originally posted by coldblooded

Dinosaurs are fictional too, apparently.


LOL I used to go to school with someone whose mother swore that dinosaurs were fake, and was always talking about aliens :p

Dinosaurs... the biggest hoax yet! :p:p:p

[JAdkins2451]

I am sorry but thru most this thread about the moon landing.. All I can picture is the molson canadian commercial when the US lands and the Canadian shoots the Puck and hits his helmet. LOL:D :D

[Rikki]

I think it is real, a large company like the US would not just make up something like this, others would obviously find out. Other countries and satelites who take pictures of the moon often DO SEE the american flag on the moon to this date, something no normal telescope could see from earth as suggested previously. Many people are Canadian on this website, this may be why nearly all of the Canadians are saying its a hoax, and the americans are saying its not. I think it did happen, something this big isnt just something you make up..... The construction of the shuttle was shown to americans for so many months (maybe years) before the mission even took place..... Really. dont you think the Russian satelite would have noticed a missing flag which was left on the moon? Rather that that, the Russians did see the american flag shortly after the journey........ But then again, we all have right to our own opinions :)

[Golden_Lotus]

And there are still people who don't believe in dinosaures. As if Eve and Adam were really created by God and that evolution is a fiction created by scientifics to discredit the Church.

There is not a conspiration everywhere. But people like to beleave it, particulary in USA. Don't understand why.

[joey]

Folks all over the planet have their own 'theory' of how we got here and why we are here. It's not like anybody knows for sure. Who knows, maybe both ideas or for that matter all theories are true in their own sense? Sad and quite scary thing is when they start using God and the Bible as a means of control --which is happening in the US.

[CORN_SNAKE91]

LMAO JAdkins2451, I love that commercial HAHA....



WOOOOOO 100th POST!!!

[Rikki]

Joey, American was founded on the Christian way of life, meaning God. So, we are using the bible and God as means of control because that is what our company was founded on :) Im not saying its right, as I do not think that non-Christians in america should have to follow laws from the bible and such while trying to live a normal life in our country.

[joey]

I think you misunderstood, Rikki. I don't have any problem with the 'Christian' way of life, in fact I was brought up this way, what I don't like is for people in power to *use* the word of God in a distorted manner to decieve others.

[ReneeB]

*sigh* just look.. another good thread being ruined by religion.. *sigh*

[Rikki]

No one has ruined it because we discussed a countries founding.... It was just like two replies....

[pablo111]

There's a few things nobody's pointed out here (I also think its a hoax).

The moon, supposedly, has a gravitational factor of about 0.3G's, or just under 1/3 of the earth's normal gravity.

If this is the case, the video does not match for several reasons that nobody has mentioned. When the astronauts "run" along the moon's surface, they kick up sand on the surface. This sand's ballistic trajectory, when airborne, is identical to the trajectory of sand on earth, but it looks to be moving about 1/3 as fast.

If you run on a beach, you will automatically (in dry sand) kick up sand approximately to the height of your knees, both infront and behind.

Keep in mind the astronauts are supposedly wearing boots that weigh about 1000lbs to hold them down. In 0.3G, the sand they kick up should be travelling atleast as high as their heads.

If you look at the foot prints in the moon surface, they are inconsistent with the "consistency" of the sand that is kicked up, to the incorrect height, in the "moon jogging scenes".

There are several portions of "moon dune buggying" in which the buggy drives over a depression and down a hill. If you start to drive down a sharp downhill in a car, you get a slight feeling of weightlessness. If you're going really fast, you might even come off the ground. In 0.3G, the vehicle would have travelled forward a considerable distance prior to coming downward. In otherwords, you'd get way more "air time".

Its so so fake...

[Rikki]

I doubt it is because of the noticed flag shortly after the adventure though I most certainly think the film is touched up. Something I find interesting is that the flag in the video is blowing as if it was in high wind, the thing is.... There is no wind on the moon!

[marisa]

ReneeB is correct. If the religion aspect is not left out right away, we cannot let the thread stay open. Keep it to the moon guys. :D

Marisa

[PDDM]

Im 15,Just read all seven pages of this thread and

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[boas_and_such]

i dunno...i think it was real...i think that people just start thinking about shtuff to much and begin to doubt it...people should just let history be what it is...history...

[boas_and_such]

and to the comment about wind on the moon...oh yes there is...it's called solar wind...i do believe it's caused by the sun...

[paulsreef]

Don't you think if this was the greatest hoax of all time; a detail like a flag blowing in the wind wouldn't be overlooked. Also if this was staged in a studio, where would the wind come from?

[marisa]

http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/kids_space/moon_flag.html

That explains how the flag was created.

Marisa

[Tim_Cranwill]

Originally posted by paulsreef
Also if this was staged in a studio, where would the wind come from?

Back then they had things called "Wind Machines" also known to some as FANS!!!! :D ;) lol

[joey]

Originally posted by Tim_Cranwill
Back then they had things called "Wind Machines" also known to some as FANS!!!! :D ;) lol

LMFAO!! :hammer:

[nita]

I've seen the documentaries and read a lot of websites and I believe it is a hoax.

I know a lot of people that don't believe in Dinosaurs!! LOL, after all the world is only about 5 million yrs old right!! Hahahahah

[pablo111]

I dont believe in dinosaurs!

;)

[latazyo]

good post, marisa

[Rikki]

Marisa, thanks for clearing that out. Though this as easily could be a lie, im not sure......

[Gary D.]

On the page Marissa posted regarding the flag there is another link that provides a very good read, addressing most of the hoax arguments directly and cites other sources and links of it's own.

link:Bad Astronomy (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html#stars)

edit: the discussion about dust thrown from the rover's wheels and it's tradjectory as evidence of a vacuum, is especially noteworthy IMO

GD

[paulsreef]

Originally posted by Tim_Cranwill
Back then they had things called "Wind Machines" also known to some as FANS!!!! :D ;) lol


If there isn't supposed to be wind on the moon; then why would you go to the trouble of turning on a wind machine, also known to some as FANS!!!! LOL.

[Lisa]

Some physics here.

The moon has 1/6th the gravity of earth, and while it isn't all that stong, it's still gravity so flags won't float in air and astronauts won't just randomly float off into space, they must exert enough force to break free of the moon's gravitational pull which they're going to need alot more then just jumping around to do. To make it so a flag doesn't hang limply on the moon you need to support it, such as with a wire. You can try this for your self with a coat hanger.


There is another light source on the moon, it's called the earth, just like we can see ok at night on our lovely planet by MOONLIGHT, the earth reflects light to the moon. Now the earth being far larger then the moon (6 times it's mass) it reflects alot more light then the moon.

Stars are not bright enough to photograph. To photograph stars you need to do a long time exposure. You can try this for your self if you have a camera that allows you to lock the shutter open. You will need a tripod.

[crimsonking]

and if they didn't land on the moon.... do you suppose there'd be those who'd swear THAT was a hoax, and that they DID land on the moon, but obviously must've found something they don't want US to know about??
:Mark

[paulsreef]

Ask Saddam what he thinks the U.S. airforce is capable of.