Pueblans - colours, morphs and genetics?

[DragnDrop]

This is something Roy got me thinking about in the " Lets see more pueblans :D" thread. I didn't want to hijack that discussion so I'm starting a new thread for it.

Quoting Roy in that other thread:

I find Apricots start really pretty but they don't hold that color. You'll note a picture of two of my siblings below sid by side from about 5 or 6 years ago. One is a beautiful apricot, but its also pictured in this group as an adult.. can you figure out which one it is?

Does it fade on all of them or just some? I'm trying to figure out if it's a selectively bred trait or not.

While we're discussing colour, are there any odd colour morph Pueblans, genetic or selectively bred such as albino? I found some old info (over 10 years old), so there's a good chance it's not up-to-date anymore.

[atw]

Hilde,

I have wondered the same about apricots but I have not been able to find much of anything concerning morph genetics.

This site lists a few morphs however:

http://www.reptimania.co.uk/pueblanmorphs.htm

Adam

[Stockwell]

Texas? I believe the range info on that site is incorrect.
L. t. cambelli is one of the most recently described subspecies of triangulum (Quinn, 1983)

The range of campbelli is one of the smallest ranges of any triangulum, being roughly 100 miles across. It's southern Puebla, westward to eastern Morelos and south to Northern Oaxaca, MEXICO (williams)
This range is a good 500 miles from the southern tip of Texas which is strictly annulata territory which extends well into Mexico.

There are no albino Campbelli, at least not yet.
With their high rate of reproduction, it is possible the mutation might turn up eventually in captive breeding progams.

Manipulation of band symmetry and color is the bulk of what has been selectively bred for.
The apricot trait is a dominant trait(or co dom)
One mate with the trait will spread it in various intensities to half or more of the offspring.
(You only need one apricot to make apricots)

Several generations of breeding the brightest to the brightest, has produced some amazingly bright apricots which are called "orange pueblans" by some.
Nearly all photos I have seen are of hatchlings.
I have yet to see an adult that has retained unpolluted apricot or orange, however they might exist, and I would think are possible to make over time, by growing up a bunch and only breeding the least tipped. In general campbelli have a problem with black tipping in the light colored band. As with Hondurensis this black tipping encroaches bit by bit with each shed. This usually creates a "muddy" or faded light band.. whether it's white or apricot.. that part of the triad often slowly gets melanin spots, which detracts from the clean appearance, seen in hatchlings.
Below are a couple interesting results from selective breeding, likely through several generations.
The first is the so-called " Oreo" pueblan where the red band has been bred out(except one). I've seen these as adults and the black tipping usually ruins them.

The second is a "halloween pueblan" This is an amplfied apricot oreo
I stold these pics from the KS classifieds some time ago
I think they might be credited to Shannon Brown(the blue rocks) but I'm not sure.. I do not own these snakes.
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/1801pueblanhalloween3.jpg

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/1801apricot.jpg
Above one of my apricots from 99
Below is how it looks 5 years later
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/1801pueblanapricot04.jpg

[SnakeyeZ]

Those are sweet, wherever the first ones from, he's definatly a redneck!

[Classic]

Thats fantastic info Roy. Thanks.

Brian

[Stockwell]

Brian this would be a good book for you to have,it contains details on each subspecies, photos and range maps. I enquired with Scotty Allen but he tells me it's long out of print.
Can you identify the subspecies on the front cover?
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/509/1801williams.jpg

[DragnDrop]

Thanks for the info Roy. Now I've got to digest it all :)

[Stockwell]

Hilde ,Brian and other milk fans...for some more interesting pics of designer Campbelli as well as many other more rare triangulum subspecies , take a look at Shannon Brown's website.
http://www.kingsnake.com/highsierra/index2.html
I can't link it. Its on the Kingsnake server under
"High Sierra Reptiles"
edit... humm,since when can we link to Kingsnake.com? GREAT!!