pink patternless babys!!!!!

[diablodragon]

Finally!! babys!! this is the litter of the pink patternless male bred back to the mother, and WOW! WE got 8 "normals" and 7 pink patternless babys!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/diablodragon/pinkboababys002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/diablodragon/pinkboababys007.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/diablodragon/pinkboababys008.jpg
these were taken today

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/diablodragon/pinkbabys003.jpg
this one was taken yesterday right after they were taken away from mom.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/diablodragon/aboaboy1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/diablodragon/pinkboababys013.jpg
and a couple shots of dad. :D

[chameo_liz]

Wow beautiful snakes.

Kris

[Matt_K]

WOWOWOWOW, AMAZING!!!!! Congrats!

-Matt

[Derrick]

Sweet. For some reason ththey remind me of fish

[honduranfreekk]

They look amazing congrats.Is there any availible for sale????

You can email me:)

Kelvin@Brigitte

[Katt]

BEYOND WOW!!

I think that is most killer morph of boas to date. Amazing, holy!!!!

[Tim_Cranwill]

Holy smokes!!!! :)

Congrats! They look awesome!

[Asian Jon]

:jawdrop: Amazing, congrats on the babies!! I bet they are gonna sell out fast :)

[Tim and Julie B]

Awsome those are cool. Not fish eels. Wow I can't even imaging how much those are.

[Nicky]

Wow I had no idea thier were patternless boas out thier!! Amazing animals!!!
Congards on the babies:)
Kayla

[MouseKilla]

Amazing, just amazing.

Is this morph related to any of the other pattern mutations?

[diablodragon]

nope they are not related to any other mutation as far as i can tell. the first baby was from two normal looking parents, as was the second. This year the male from the first litter was finally old enought to breed back to prove that this is a genetic morph.

[bighillreptiles]

WOW What more can we say but WOW im spechless and that dos't happev very often nice to se that they proved out for you you can ship a male up to canada lol

[diablodragon]

if you guys want avaibility info you can email me at diablodragon84@yahoo.com

[JAdkins2451]

Wow.. Those are amazing.. I hope some of those will make it up to canada soon....... Congrats

Jamie

[HumphreyBoagart]

Awesome! Simply Awesome!
Email or message me with prices.
Thanks
Hump.

[JonD]

Wow frickin damn sweet. I forgot about those. I remebered the pic you posted a while ago as soon as I opened this thread.

Good Luck with them!

[Invictus]

NO WAY!!!!! I remember you posting pics of that male... I'm ecstatic that you've discovered a new morph! Now I know what to save up for! (If you can export to Canada that is)

[beardieguy]

:thumbsup: :jawdrop: Those are beautiful. If it is genetic then you are a very lucky man.

:D

[boa]

Congrats on that true gem i will be in touch with you about the offspring.

[herpers2]

HOLY $H!T thats amazing. Congradulations !!

[beanersmysav]

Those are some sexy boas! I'll be emailing you in a few preying they're affordable :)

[Bartman]

WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWO!!!!! Those are simply incredible boa's. Congrats guys!

Were you the first to create these? Whats the story behind them? Are they called Patternless Boa's?

[Jeff_Favelle]

That's INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :jawdrop:

[latazyo]

correct me if I"m wrong Diablo, but

1. Diablo is a female
2. Yes, these are the first ever produced
3. Two normal looking parents not known to be het for anything reproduced a few years ago and created a pink patternless
4. that baby was bred back to mama this year to prouduce proof (in the pics) that the morph is genetic

[Brent Strande]

True.

They have now proved out to be genetic and they are AMAZING boas! I think that this is a HUGE break for the herp community! Boa morphs rock!

[Clownfishie]

Holy sh... errr... CRAP! Those things are insane!! WOW. Congrats, and keep the pics coming :D


Jen

[diablodragon]

latazyo, you are right on all the points! : )

Yes now we have proof that these guys are genetic, I'm thinking recessive, but we will have to outbreed to be sure.

Jess

[D J N]

Amazing those boas are killer.

[bistrobob85]

OMG!! JESS, you are so amazingly lucky to have such babies from random adults!! I defenetly dont like BCI morphs but this one you found is an OUSTANDING and AWESOME one!! I hope you produce A LOT so that i can get a chance of ever seing one right in person!! This morph is truly very interesting and i hope the genus goes on and spreads!! What would you sell one of your baby males for?!?!

phil.

[BigDan]

Those are amazing for sure, I am thinking you will probably not be selling any of the actual pink patternless babies anytime soon.

Or would you.

Congrats again

Dan

[vincenzo]

not a fan of bci but those look amazing !!!
congrats on finding a new morph!!

[MouseKilla]

Or would he??? LOL!

Do it Dan, get that morph over the border for the rest of us to drool over and so some of us can fight over the hets you make.

My God they're just awesome and the possibilities are mind boggling!

[varanus69]

absolutely amazing, wish i had the money for them....

[Linds]

Those snakes are friggin incredible. Not that that needed to be said anymore, but I figured I'd add another. :bugout:

[Bristen]

Simply amazing!!! That's simply an amazing boa morph, with an amazing story behind it!! Now WHATEVER you do, don't be stupid and give those away.. if I were you, I'd consult with many of the "biggies" to settle on a reasonable price.. these are worth a gold mine and don't you let anybody tell you otherwise!! Best of luck with them, and please ship some to the folks in Canada, it would be great to have some of those up here!!

Best of luck with your new morph.. do you have a name for it other than "pink paternless boa"??

Thanks for sharing that incredible story and pictures!

Bristen.

[diablodragon]

they are officially Scoria boas. They are named after a native rock that is about the same color : ). The main problem with calling them that tho is that most people go "HUH?" cause they have no idea what scoria means.

[HumphreyBoagart]

They look like a good score...I mean good scoria to me!

[Bristen]

Originally posted by diablodragon
they are officially Scoria boas. They are named after a native rock that is about the same color : ). The main problem with calling them that tho is that most people go "HUH?" cause they have no idea what scoria means.

Nothing wrong with the name, sounds good! Certainly better than what other people have named they new designer morph such as "Pastave" *sigh* ;)

Keep us posted!!
Bristen.

[Toshi]

Originally posted by Bristen
Simply amazing!!! That's simply an amazing boa morph, with an amazing story behind it!! Now WHATEVER you do, don't be stupid and give those away.. if I were you, I'd consult with many of the "biggies" to settle on a reasonable price.. these are worth a gold mine and don't you let anybody tell you otherwise!! Best of luck with them, and please ship some to the folks in Canada, it would be great to have some of those up here!!

Best of luck with your new morph.. do you have a name for it other than "pink paternless boa"??

Thanks for sharing that incredible story and pictures!

Bristen.

I agree with Bristen wholeheartedly. It is just like you are holding a winning lottery ticket. Don't miss out on this opportunity. Set a highend price just like when other new morphs hit the market. Those amazing boas could buy you a new home. It is not greed...just the way that the morph world works. Those are some of the wildest looking snakes that I have seen for sometime. I would rather keep all of them than sell them for anything short of top dollar.

[Bristen]

A wise thing to do would be to invest more into the project, and only sell a few male hets.. it's almost certainly simple recessive... if I were you, I'd sell the hets (at a price that matters, that's for sure) but keep all the Scoria... also invest in a bunch of female boas right away!! (unless you have a bunch of them already lol!)... You need to get new blood into the project right away....

Man that's like the most exciting thing I've ever heard of... how big is your collection? Do you guys do this full time, or are you just hobbiests?

Later,
Bristen.

[Bristen]

Originally posted by Bristen
A wise thing to do would be to invest more into the project, and only sell a few male hets.. it's almost certainly simple recessive... if I were you, I'd sell the hets (at a price that matters, that's for sure) but keep all the Scoria... also invest in a bunch of female boas right away!! (unless you have a bunch of them already lol!)... You need to get new blood into the project right away....

Man that's like the most exciting thing I've ever heard of... how big is your collection? Do you guys do this full time, or are you just hobbiests?

Later,
Bristen.

I just noticed that my post didn't make a whole lot of sense... oups... I first say "only sell a few male hets", then I say "sell the hets" lol! I wouldn't recommend selling more than a few male hets if you can keep all of them.. anyways, just wanted to clear my post up...

Later,
Bristen.

[HumphreyBoagart]

Don't listen to Bristen! He doesn't make any sense! Sell all the hets, and sell all the homos...TO ME!!! : P

[Bristen]

Originally posted by HumphreyBoagart
Don't listen to Bristen! He doesn't make any sense! Sell all the hets, and sell all the homos...TO ME!!! : P

at least I tried :rolleyes: LOL!!

Bristen.

[diablodragon]

Right now the collection is pretty small compaired to some other breeders!!!! :D Mostly because of space limitations. These guys take up a lot of room! Also I guess I fell into this by accident the parents were nearly free snakes that people wanted to get rid of, then the first year she bred we wern't sure if the little pink one was genetic or an accident of incubation. Now I know its genetic and I'm very happy!:D The origional full time job and still is, is the little herp store we run, thats how we got the parents. So now I've got 2 full time jobs.

[Jeff_Favelle]

You desrve it brother! Its nice to see the little guy get a break now abd then. I hope the project is a fruitful as it is promising! Keep us all updated! I can't wait to see a Salmon Pink Patternless!!! Or an albino! WOOOAAAA!!!!!!!!! :D

[Tim and Julie B]

You better sell them for a lot of money. This doesn't happen very often.........ok almost never! Enjoy it, have fun with it and make a ton of money. I agree with Jeff, score one for the little guy! :thumbsup: TB

[Bristen]

This is why I was asking.. this is like a dream for the everyday hobby herper.. that's just insane!! I'm very happy for you guys and will second (uh, third?) what Jeff said!! It's great for some of the little guys to hit big like that.. some exciting.. I'm all pumped up and I have nothing to do with it LOL!!!

You guys should send a couple of pictures and a small article (The "Scoria" story) to Reptiles Magazine or something.. I think that would make a great story :)

Bristen.

[gonesnakee]

I don't usually even read the Boa forums, unless I'm up for some Drama LOL but those are AMAZING! Very very COOL indeed, Best of luck! Mark I.

[Invictus]

I am the bearer of bad news....

This morph HAS been discovered before and is called a "Mocha Boa". A good friend of mine told me it was featured in an issue of Vivarium magazine, and I did a google search and came up with this:

http://www.texasreptiles.com/freaks/boa.html

Also in the google search was an interview with Jeff Ronne on kingsnake where he talked about the Mocha boa.

Still, to get even ONE of these from animals you didn't know were hets is just AWESOME!

[latazyo]

aids

[Bristen]

Awwwww... that's a drag... this whole story is still exciting, but not as exciting as it was before Ken blew the party :(

Thanks for the info Ken,
Bristen.

[Invictus]

Sure, make me feel bad. I'm leaving now. Hmph.

[Bristen]

LOL! You're welcome Ken :p

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

JESS:

Beautiful litter and congrats, thanks for the price information.

KEN:

I saw that info as well and agree with you.

Right now 20k USA for a Scoria Boa aka Pink Patternless aka Mocha Boa, is out of my budget.

And 17k USA for (poss) het pair is just not happening.

Although they are beautiful still out of the budget plans. :D

Tony

[diablodragon]

First of all, I am not trying to offend anyone.
BUT, our boas are not mocha boas, no matter how alike they look, simply because there is almost no way that the mocha boas and mine are related. Both the origional parents of the scorias are cbb not wild caught. Also just curious, but that snake has to be around 5 years old correct? Why have there been no babys produced? also I have only been able to find the one picture of her. So technically we have proven the trait out first in the unlikely event they are the same trait. Also I have noticed that the snakes are similar but there are some differences, like the mocha female has completely patternless sides, our boas do not, they have white bellies with silver sides and have noticable diamond patterns on the sides as well, also ours have striping which is noticibly absent on the mocha boa. What I mean by this is you cannot call our boas mocha boas, because there is no proof that they are the same morph, it could turn out to be like albinos where there are two incompatable strains, or ours could turn out to be codom and the mocha is recessive, or vice versa. Also there are different strains of many color morphs that different breeders have produced, axanthic ball pythons for example, that are very similar in appearance. I do not mean to sound offensive, but I will not tolerate any one calling our boas mocha boas. They are Scoria boas, period. I wish the owner of the mocha boa as much luck as we have had, and would definatly like to see babys of that snake as well.

Jessica

[JAdkins2451]

I am no expert on boa morphs, but to me they look diffrent diffrent markings etc. So I think Diablo is right.. IMO..

Jamie

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

JESSICA:

I found this info and since its related to the topic and everyone is interested on the history and future of the Scoria Boas. Thought to add this as well. I blanked out the info as it might conflict with another forum but you can PM me if you need the contact info to reach this owner as well.

This was in the classifies section of another forum.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/12%20-%20MISCELLANEOUS/PINKPATTERNLESSBOAINFO000.jpg

Hope it helps clarify the history more, on this line or related lines.

:D

Tony

[MouseKilla]

There's only one way to prove that Scoria is the same as Mocha and we all know what that is, until then all that can be said is that there are some similarities in their appearance. Calling them the same is premature to say the least.

Whether they are related traits or not though is something for their breeders to argue about, it's more or less irrelevant to anyone not involved in producing these snakes in those very first stages.

I know it wouldn't change how much I'd be willing to spend to get in on breeding that morph at the next level in the form of hets.

[Invictus]

I think what's premature is claiming that your morph is something brand new, when it may be the exact same thing. If I suddenly produced albinos from 2 snakes that were 1% possible hets (because let's face it, you just never know how many lines have been bred into this boa), I'm not going to claim I discovered something brand new until I can prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt.

That pic of the Mocha boa may have reduced side markings, but that does NOT automatically make it a different morph. Some albino boas have tails that are so faded that they look like snows - but that doesn't make it so.

[MouseKilla]

You're absolutely right Ken, it cuts both ways, we won't know one way or another unless the two are bred to eachother.

Whatever the case and whether or not we even ever find out for sure is a matter of snake morph trivia, it makes no difference to the rest of us in terms of value.

It only matters to those concerned with the bragging rights and the only people who have any reason to argue about that are the people who have actually produced the animals. Someone deserves the credit for having the pure dumb luck to do it first (if we are dealing with a single morph), I'm just fairly indifferent to who that ends up being.

They're still going to be some of the coolest boas I've ever seen and I'm still going to want some. :)

[C.ADAMANTEUS]

Absolutely gorgeous snake. Lucky man you are.
Got Family in South Dakota, Maybe when I visit them, I can detour to see? :D
Rick

[diablodragon]

Definay C Adamanteus, stop by!! If that snake is the mocha I can safely say that they are not the same thing, our snakes do not brown out as they age. The male is still just as pink as when he hatched, he has darkened a little but he has no borwn. though I will admit the pattern is more similar to ours the coloration is quite different. I still will not tolerate any one calling my boas mocha boas, as far as I can tell they are not the same. The chances that they are related is slim. Fact is our origional parents were probibly born before the mocha was found in the wild, im not intirely sure because i do not know how old the mocha is today.

Jess

[honduranfreekk]

Jessica is there anyway you could post a pic of the parents to the first pinks???

Kelvin@Brigitte

[BoidKeeper]

Very nice stuff! Jessica have you contacted the biggest boa breeders in the US to see what they think?
Cheers,
Trevor

[JAdkins2451]

I agree with Trevor, I think you should contact some bigger breeders in the states to see what they have to stay.

Jamie

[C.ADAMANTEUS]

Thanks for the invite. probably be a year at least cus of other things first. Definately like to see:D
Maybe around sturgis time Ill try.
Gorgeous snakes. whatever the morph. look patternless enough to me.:D
Rick

[diablodragon]

JEFF D, if you are looking at this you need to call me right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[diablodragon]

Well, the only male pink patternless available this year is sold.

[bistrobob85]

Does this mean we'll get the only male pink patternless available in Canada?!?!?!

[latazyo]

why is it that you sold a male instead of a female? with that male you can sire 3 or 4 clutches to all kinds of different morphs or even normal females, but with those females you can only have one per year...am I thinking right?

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

LATAZYO:

It may be Jess' s choice, people sell whatever they choose they feel that is important via sales, possibilities, breeding options and so on. Your right about the male having more options in another collection versus a female and only 1 option. But I have not kept up with the thread so I do not know if there were female pink patternless boas in the litter - so that might be a reason too, maybe Jess has alot of males as well. Or a buyer wanted a male and the price was good for both seller/buyer. It can be a number of reasons why sell a male or female. But again yes a male has more options open to him than a female.

:D

Tony

[diablodragon]

Happy Valentines Day!!
i know its the day after but I couldnt resist.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/diablodragon/vdaypinkboas.png

[despot101]

hey latazyo, the 1 male was sold because they still have the original male to use for breeding.

[marisa]

I am not up on Boa Morphs but looking around there is little to no information on the Mocha Boa. Which to me would mean, even if the boas are the same, this person has far more than anyone else, has proved them out, and has all the original founding stock (for this line)

Which, in itself, is far more than most herpers could hope for. :D

Marisa

[Bristen]

Originally posted by marisa
[...] Which, in itself, is far more than most herpers could hope for. :D
Marisa

like I said earlier in this thread, it's like the dream of all everday herpers, that's for sure! No matter if this ends up being another line of the same morph or not.. it wouldn't matter to me much as it's very new for the looks of things...

Bristen.

[marisa]

Yeah could you imagine that. I would just literally pass out if I bred two normal whatevers and got THOSE! Totally amazing.

Marisa

[AtlanticReptile]

WOW! awesome boas, congrats.

Nick
Atlantic Reptiles

[ssscales]

Congrats Diablo, I've seen these pics and topic on other threads and those are amazing whether they are original or not. I would expect offers of $18K-$20K are coming in for those patternless babies and about $10K for the hets, you must feel like you won the lottery.

Have you contacted any of the Boa guru's in the states about these?

[diablodragon]

I finally got a semi decent shot of the little female that was from the 04 litter.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/diablodragon/femalepinkboa001.jpg

personally I think shes nicer looking than the first male because she has black striping almost all the way down her sides.
:D

[Brent Strande]

Beautiful!

[gonesnakee]

Bumpity Bump

[kajunrebel6923]

omg i want the one with a lot of white on the tail. beautiful snakes ,.... but i know i would never be able to afford one lol