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Scales Zoo
02-05-05, 10:36 PM
Mark has always like the jungle corns, same as I have. Between Mark and Walter – Alberta is king of the weird jungle corns.
Here is Precious – I remember first seeing this snake over a year ago, 2003 holdback.
http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/marks/precious.jpg
Another one under a bit different lighting. Neither picture does the snake justice, but you get the idea.
http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/marks/precious2.jpg
Here is Precious Too, or Precious 2. 2004 holdback.
http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/marks/precioustoo.jpg
Albino precious, 2004 holdback. Can’t wait to see the results of these 3 jungle corns.
http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/marks/albinoprecious.jpg
This is some kind of hybrid. Mark could have some very cool hybrids in a few years with what he has collected.
http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/marks/hybrid.jpg
The albino greyband was in shed and in it’s hide. The picture did not turn out, but it is a very cool looking snake.
This is a pure cornsnake – anery or ghost motley or something, 2004 holdback – very pretty!
http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/marks/corn.jpg
Mark and I love indigos! This is a female he got from me in the “Great Indigo trade, 2004”. I kept the sister to that snake, mine is longer, but Marks is thicker.
http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/marks/indigo.jpg
This is one Mark and Kyle produced. I have 2 siblings, Katt now has 1 also. Mark’s is bigger – he must pump steroids into his mice.
http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/marks/indigo2.jpg
Ryan
Too much information
'mine is longer, but Marks is thicker'
Precious is drop dead gorgeous.
Man, that first Indigo is THICK!!!
I was over there picking up my first breeding groups of Cals in 2003. I remember seeing a pic of some of the Indigos, and I said "Nice Mexican Blacks"...
Hahah -- Not quite, eh...? :D
It's a fun place to look around, wish I'd had more time... ;)
gonesnakee
02-06-05, 12:16 AM
2nd Jungle Corn is "Semi-Preciouss" LOL & she is in full blue in the pic BTW She was the little gray one with the blue head, but is now quite similar to "Preciousss" actually becoming lighter/tanner with every shed. Both them & "Albino Preciousss" are all true Jungle Corns 1/2 CK & 1/2 Corn & are from F2/F3 breedings. The other Hybrid as Ryan put it "some kind of hybrid" is pretty much it. It is the result of a 10 way Mtn. cross being bred with a Grayband. Its one of those AAA mutts, I haven't even sexed it yet, it will be a year or 2 before I need to worry about it.
Actually Ryan that female is one from mine/Kyle's too & is also sister to the 1's you recv. in the trade. I got the unrelated male from you guys that came from out east (Dwight Sawyers stock? pretty sure). Its funny how one is long & skinny & the other shorter & fatter. The short fat one is the one that started eating the very last #6 & the long slender one is #1 (first one ever hatched at Kyle's Woo Hoo!) Pics really show their irredisence (sp?) well. Thx everyone Mark
p.s. oh yeah the Corn is an Anery Motley, only Corn holdback of the year.
P.P.S. I use Canden Farms Mice, the best ones available to me!
That corn is HUGE Mark. Jeez! I must be underfeeding, or you're powerfeeding! My girls aren't nearly that size! Wowee!!
How often do you feed??
Scales Zoo
02-06-05, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by gonesnakee
Actually Ryan that female is one from mine/Kyle's too & is also sister to the 1's you recv. in the trade. I got the unrelated male from you guys
For some reason Sheila and I thought that one was the one you got from us. Did we see the one you got from us?
Knowing that is a 2003, all I can say is holy thickness batman!! - better check the canden mice for growth hormone, lol :) I was worried I was overfeeding mine.
Ryan
gonesnakee
02-06-05, 02:14 PM
The male from you guys was the bottom one we didn't bother pulling out there Ryan as he was buried somewhere.
Katt pretty much weekly or sometimes every week & 1/2 in the winter. She has nearly doubled in the last couple months, especially now that she eats hoppers. she's been on a big growth spurt. Mark
gonesnakee
02-06-05, 04:09 PM
Actually Katt I was thinking about the motley some more & I have a late 2003 female snow motley (US stock) that I got thru a trade & her & the 2004 anery are close to the same size. The Snow is a finicky eater & not a big eater, whereas the Anery is a lil piggy. I wonder how long until she passes the snow in growth. Also Albino Preciousss is growing like crazy. Won't be long & he'll be catching up to Preciousss. Can't wait until I can breed one of the 2 to Semi-Preciousss (2007?) I do get to try out the Variable King/Amel Corn cross male this season so it will cool to see what happens there. He looks quite similar to the 10 Way Mtn Cross above. I'm kinda hoping the 10 way cross is a female so he can breed her in the future too (2007?). I love watching Jungle Corns hatch. You never know what might come out for sure, but ya know you'll like it. Looking forward to seeing what happens this year. Kyle actually has a Killer one from last year too kinda similar to the "preciousss gang" same clutch as semi. Have to get some pics of him happening too, THX again Mark
That first Indigo is mighty impressive! :D
Crazee Mark, crazee. I'm a weekly feeder and do not see that kind of growth. Perhaps I'm not moving up sizes fast enough.
That's it, I'm going all out on rat pinks/fuzz and growing the li'l worms!
gonesnakee
02-06-05, 11:43 PM
Maybe Katt its because I usually feed multiple smaller prey items rather than one or 2 larger ones with most all the young ones. Its not uncommon for me to feed say to one that could eat a couple big fuzzies & be full like 5-6 pinkies instead or 1 that could take a 1 small adult a few hoppers instead. I'm a bigger fan of more smaller items then ones that are really big to them. Cost more in food though, but could be why the increased growth. I also only usually hold back the best looking of the best feeders. Semi was a slow starter, thats why Albino P. is so much bigger than her. I've also had a few people tell me some of my hatchlings are pretty big to begin with compared to some others they have seen in comparision. Lots of little factors & of course the Weight Gain 4000, BeefCaaake... BEEFCAAAKE!!! LOL Mark
Hahahahaha Mark, that's my favourite. BEEEFCAAAKE!!
I agree fully with you on the multiple meals, I find the snakes grow slender, but longer when fed several small meals instead of a big one.
Still crazee, course, I do see a bit of a size diff in the corns I got from you. The biggest is the anery striper. She's also the best feeder and will eat in shed.
vanderkm
02-08-05, 04:24 PM
Fantastic collection - many thanks to Ryan for the pics of Mark's great group. Some very dramatic snakes.
mary v.
gonesnakee
02-08-05, 07:05 PM
THX Mary, I was just wondering earlier where you had been lately. Moving I assume? Mark
vanderkm
02-08-05, 10:01 PM
Definitely on the move - it was a challenge with the number of snakes of various ages to deal with, but a big relief to finally be in our new location, with all the snakes set up and connected once again. Missed the forum - dropped in a couple times to check it out, but didn't get to post. So far we are loving Regina (no one will believe that but is true!!), love the new house (lots more room) and it is great to see some updated pics of everyone's collections. Look forward to getting a few more of ours posted once everyone is feeding well again. Just got them settled and bringing them out of brumation now - was enough stress with the move and temps just aren't stable enough here in the room I hoped to use.
Sure looking forward to seeing what you produce this year Mark!
mary v.
Scales Zoo
02-08-05, 10:28 PM
Marry, perhaps I could pay you a visit in Regina, and bring my camera algon to get pictures of some of your very nice collection.
Then we could go out for Vietnamese / Thai food! Then hit a sushi place, then find some dim sum, then.....
Ryan
vanderkm
02-09-05, 08:16 PM
Ryan - we would love to have you and Sheila drop by when you are in town. We have tried a couple of the local places but haven't scored great Vietnamese or Thai food yet - have to get my HISS membership off in the mail to you to get that restaraunt list you promised with all new memberships!
mary v.
Wow, great to have another herp person in the city finally!!!
I've been rather lonely here as I really don't know anyone else in the city that is into reptiles. I've been getting my reptile fix by driving the 4 hours out to Leader a couple times a year.......maybe all those guys will have to come out here for a change(Hint, Hint), LOL!
Ryan W. a.k.a. Ryan #2
vanderkm
02-10-05, 10:05 AM
Ryan #2 - saw that corn trio you just got and look forward to seeing them in person at some point. My focus is creamsicles, but certainly have a few other corn morphs (many from Mark Isbell) and really appreciate a nice normal corn!! Our real first choice herp is the hondos though -
I hope there will be some chances for reptile shows in Sask - once we get a bit more settled - would like to get out and meet a few more of the herp group here.
mary v.
Once the weather starts to warm up I'm sure we'll have a get together or two, maybe in Leader or wherever. It's been a while since I've seen the Rattlesnake dens and I have to go hunting for Bulls too.
I took a look at your gallery last night as well Mary, you have some beautifull animals and it may be dangerous for me to see them in person, I'll end up wanting to buy them. LOL!
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