What comes first?

[meow_mix450]

Hey

O.K. as most of you know I have eggs being incubated(nosy be panther). My question is, what comes first sweating or collasping? And do they have to sweat? Because one of the eggs has collasped. Ill most pictures are soon as possible

Meow

[meow_mix450]

This si the egg that collasped, but when i opened it to take a picture the collaspness was, I think it was moving around inside. So i quickly snapped a few shots and closed it(probly was cold)
http://pn.pricenetwork.ca/gallery/albums/userpics/14850/normal_IMG_1916.JPG
This is the first clutch and they have grown and is a lot bigger then i have started
http://pn.pricenetwork.ca/gallery/albums/userpics/14850/normal_IMG_1917.JPG
When they were first laid not sure if you can tell the difference
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/502/2653IMG_1751.JPG
This is the second clutch and the container I'm using
http://pn.pricenetwork.ca/gallery/albums/userpics/14850/normal_IMG_1918.JPG
http://pn.pricenetwork.ca/gallery/albums/userpics/14850/normal_IMG_1919.JPG

Meow

[Manitoban Herps]

I hope they hatch buddy!

[clint545]

That's quite the treasure chest:) Best of luck with them!

[CarlC]

Sometimes they sweat really fast. If the egg has collasped and you don't see one of the ends slit I would open the egg. The slit is the deciding factor.
Slit means a live baby. No slit and it is almost always a still born.

Carl

[meow_mix450]

How do you slit?

Meow

[CarlC]

The baby will slit the egg on its own with its egg tooth.

Carl

[meow_mix450]

Ya, i understand that part, I was wondering if I was to open the egg my self(knowing that its a still born) how would I do it? Sorry I was in a rush for school so i didnt explain what i meant lol. I'll try and get mroe pictures so then maybe you can determind if i should or not(opening the egg)

Meow

Meow

[meow_mix450]

This is to show the collasping of the egg, each day its collasping more and more, no beads of water either
http://pn.pricenetwork.ca/gallery/albums/userpics/14850/normal_IMG_1924.JPG
This one is just to show if you think it will slit on its own or not.
http://pn.pricenetwork.ca/gallery/albums/userpics/14850/normal_IMG_1925.JPG

Thanks for helping me out here

Meow

[CarlC]

I use a brand new razor blade or exacto knife. You will find that you will be able to pinch a piece of the egg. You don't want to go to deep. Just enough to cut the shell. It will be rubbery. Make the slit about half across the egg. Now you should be able to pull the sides to open it the rest of the way.

I can't tell from the pic if there is a slit or not. It is not uncommon to get still borns this late. I have always found it to be related to incubation temps. The baby just does not have the strength to rub through the shell and ends up drowning.

Carl

[meow_mix450]

Thanks, umm do you think I should give it a few more days before I got for a cut?

Meow

[CarlC]

I would open it. If the baby was still alive atleast it wouldn't drown.

It is a baby that should never be bred! You should make sure you have a way to keep it seperated. You don't want any problems passed on in the bloodline.

Carl

[meow_mix450]

alright thanks, well no more incubation next time. My second clutch was not incubated and there still doing just as great as the ones in the incubator. So for those who are breeding, dont incubate just through them in the closet or somewhere dark. Umm I havn't made up my decsion yet, so I'll let you guys know what i'll do thanks again

Meow

[Manitoban Herps]

I wouldn't risk it.

[Manitoban Herps]

But carl is the cham expert :D

[CarlC]

I am no expert. I just have alot of years behind me.

I have never been a big fan of incubators. The one and only time I used on was for senegalensis eggs and it was a disaster.

The same can be said for temps that get extremely cool though. With the species discussed here I would not go below 65 for any extended periods of time. Veilds can go alittle lower.

I think the one thing that needs to be remembered is eggs will hatch when they want. Who cares if they hatch in 6 month's or 9 month's. The purpose is to get them to hatch and produce healthy viable offspring. Rushing things helps no one in the long run.

Just keep a close eye on the remaining eggs Meow. Try not to open the container as it will release the warm humid air. This is key to help the baby break through the shell.

Carl

[Manitoban Herps]

Good advice, I have to try my luck at veileds this year :)

[galad]

yes hopefully my nosy bes will be bred this summer also. Just depends on wheather she excepts my male or not.

Carl how many ti8mes have you had a single pair fo chameleons that will not mate? Just worried she wont find him up to snuff for some reason or anouther.
Just hope he and i can get lucky, lol

peace
ws

[meow_mix450]

One of my friend has told me it might have been dehdration and should add some water around the egg. So I gave that a try and it was dehdrated. So no worries. But thanks for all the help

Meow

[CarlC]

Meow,

Do you really believe that only one egg would show dehydration?

If your medium was dry all eggs would show similar symptoms. It looked like you were using vermiculite. This is used because when it dries it does so evenly.

Carl

[CarlC]

Wes,

It does happen. I personally don't remember having any females that would not breed.

Females have breeding cycles. If your female is not cycling than she won't breed. This can be caused by many differant things. Usually enviormental conditions influence the cycles.

Chameleons are opportunistic breeders. Females don't choose their mate. When a female becomes receptive she will mate with whatever male is around. Male combat among chameleons has been filmed on a few occasions with differant species. The winner gets to mate not because she see's him as the winner but because he chased the other male off.

Carl