Sunglow Boa - better yet a Coral Sunglow Boa

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

EVERYONE:

On a relaxing weekend where the tolls of life are taken back with some easy chilling time with the collection, thought to share "RA" the Sunglow Boa.

A beautiful Sunglow Boa, whoops mean Coral Sunglow Boa - why settle for anything less :D

Everyone meet RA and as the Egyptians praised the sun and named there Sun God, Ra so shall I name this Sunglow in the same manner.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/rasunglowboa022.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/rasunglowboa021.jpg

Enjoy the photos :D

Please stay on topic.

Tony Pharosx

[Dozer]

Absolutely STUNNING!!! Truthfully speakin', that is the hypest boa I've seen around :)

Intense colors :D

Mike

[Manitoban Herps]

Your not going to be home tonight right? If not and a few snakes are missing it was Rich ok :D

LOL

Super nice snake bud!

[Lindze]

Beautiful, if you ever run out of room, just send some to me and ill be glad to house them for you, lol

[SnakeyeZ]

lol quiet you!!, what does a guy like me need with those BCI's lol,

He's a stunner Tony , GL with him!

[David Kwok]

Killer!

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

EVERYONE:

Thank you so much :D

KEV:

Just rented a security guard today he' ll be on the look out for you :D

KWOK:

Thanks, hoping in time to see more killer Sunglows from this boa ;)

Tony Pharosx

[ohh_kristina]

wow, wow. It still amazes me that animals can hold so much beauty. Every time I see pictures of your boas, my breath gets caught in my throat. They are so gorgeous. This one is no different.

[clint545]

Absolutly beautiful Tony! Thanks

[Shad0w]

MMM makes me wanna go grab a cream sicle :)

Nice tony!

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

KRISTINA:

Thank you, I know the feeling. They are mine and I still pinch myself alot. :D

CLINT:

Thank you.

BOB:

LOL, never thought of that but its funny too. :D

Tony

[JAdkins2451]

Awsome Tony, your lucky I live in Ontario.LOL

Jamie

[timfriesen32]

Tony,
I'm getting really sick of seeing all your gorgeous boas. Are you trying to drive me crazy with jealousy???

Once again, absolutely stunning!

TIm

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

JAMIE

Thank you :D

TIM:

Its like Chinese water torture eh, one boa , one boa, one boa - lol :D

Tony

[Ryan Pye]

HOLY CRAP, I wife is gonna kill me if I start going on about wanting these too! I hope she doesn't find out that you showed them to me, she be after you too! hahaha

no really some of the most beutiful snakes I have ever seen.

Ryan

[Derrick]

Nice snake but isn't it still a little cold there to be taking them outside for pictures? I'ld be a little hesitant to take any snake out let alnoe a prized snake below 15C never mind below 0C.

[BoidKeeper]

Now now Derrick he said please stay on topic. That means complements only.
Cheers,
Trevor

[Tim_Cranwill]

LMAO!!! :D

[Matt_K]

Originally posted by BOAS_N_PYTHONS
KRISTINA:

Thank you, I know the feeling. They are mine and I still pinch myself alot. :D

Tony

Stay on Topic Tony, we don't need to know what you do off of the site :p Especially, what you do to yourself.. :D

And I'm with Derrick, I wouldn't risk having that thing outside in January.. But, that's just me...

-Matt

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

RYAN PYE

Thanks, I agree with you - beautiful and gorgeous :D

Can' t wait to see the years to come what Sunglows potential will be :D

Tony

[biggworm]

I love when the name fits the snake!!!

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

BIGGWORM:

You bet, these match the title :D

Tony

[timfriesen32]

How old are we? It's nice to see the level of maturity we all show.

Sorry Tony. Completely off topic.

TIm

[BoidKeeper]

Sorry Tony. Completely off topic.
What is the topic? There is a pic of a snake out side posted in the month of January. What else are people going to think? They talking about a snake in a pic in this post. How is that not on topic? What ever the topic is? There was nothing in the original post to talk about, just "Look at my snakes and tell me how wonderful they are." So again I ask you, what is the topic that people got off of and what did you expect?
Trevor

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

TIM FRIESEN:

No problemo ;)

I am just laughing away and enjoying the constrictors :D

Tony

[Scales Zoo]

What is funny Tony, is you don't seem to realize that anyone with xp can find out a lot of information about your pictures.

For example, the sunglow boa pictures that you have on your photohosting site were taken with the following camera on the following dates.

ra...13 - hp photosmart 733 01-13-2005
ra...14 - hp photosmart 10-24-04
ra...18 - hp photosmart 10-24-04
ra...21 - hp photosmart 08-22-2004
ra....22 hp photosmart 08-22-2004

So, don't worry folks, that sunshine picture was taken back in August, probably a place much warmer than Manitoba. The Ra13 picture, was taken Jan 13 of this year, by the same camera that took the August and October pictures - so it would lead me to guess if the boa was in the U.S in August, it was still there with the same photographer on the 13th of January.


Looked at the snow boa pictures too. The first 3 you have (the branch collection) were taken with a different camera than the sunglow, and in October of last year.

odinsnowboa005 fdmavica 10-22-04
odinsnowboa007 fdmavica 10-22-04
odinsnowboa009 fdmavica 10-22-04

The most recent picture of the snow boa, was taken with the camera you use for all your other pictures of boas you actually have at your place, which makes me think either you just got the snow, or it is a picture of a different snow that you took, some other time.

I'd like to know when you took the picture, but oddly enough, there are no dates on any of the pictures you actually take, but I can tell which ones were taken with the olympus camera you like so much.

odinsnowboa011 Olympus c4040Z - no date


So, Tony - either take pictures of your Sony and HP digital camera, with your trusted Olympus. Or take a picture of a recent Manitoba Sun with the snow boa and the sunglow, with any camera. Or - be upfront about the pictures you take of your snakes, and the pictures that were sent to you.

And, I can't beleive you asked the question about "who took the picture" for the photocontest, I bet you'd have entered one of the snow boa on the branch.

I was not going to post this, but I was double dog dared to, so I did.

Ryan

[dave68]

Wow!! Some people just never seem to learn!! How did you do that Ryan? That's some pretty fishy stuff. Oh well have a laugh ,and pinch yourself again or something Tony!!LOL!!

Dave

[Scales Zoo]

My mom helped, hehe.

I charge $40 / hour, that's all I can say....

Ryan

[Derrick]

lol I'll do it for 0$/hour. I was trying to be a little subtler with my outdoor pic in jan comment. I dont really understand the need for the BS posting pretending you took the pictures. If you've bought the animal and are just waiting to get it why not just state the fact instead blowing smoke.

I dont see a problem posting an animal you have yet to recieve if its payed for but why the bull is necessary I'll never know. o>

[MouseKilla]

And it continues... lol!

I'll tell ya, I really didn't care about this whole thing when it started way back whenever and I still don't care whether Tony owns the damned things or not. But after this long and this much abuse I can't understand why the accusations have gone undefended.

It would be easy to prove the accusations wrong, if they are wrong, not that proof is owed to anyone but just to put an end to it.

I have a hard time believing someone would claim to have an animal they don't just for pride, for money maybe but not just to brag about. It's almost a silly thing to suggest that someone would do but now that it's out there it's got to end with either the accusers being proven wrong or someone being forever branded a liar. It might not be fair but that's the situation I think.

They're beautiful animals that's for sure, no matter who owns them or took the pics.

[BoidKeeper]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/rasunglowboa022.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/rasunglowboa021.jpg


You can see all kinds of pics by clicking on anyones photos and getting the link to where it's hosted by clicking on properties. Then all you have to do is change the numbes at the end. Just like the early snow boa pics there are pics in the gallery of the sunglow next to a US $20. Can't find it now, looks like a lot may have been taken down but I have many on my PC.
Cheers,
Trevor

[HeatherRose]

Wait....so he's posting pictures that he didn't take and sticking the 'copyright' on them anyway? :S

I don't get it... I was away for that whole big thread a while back, and by the time I got to read it most of his posts had been cleared out...

:confused:

[Ron]

Yes, he claims when he puchases an animal he also purchases the rights to all of the pictures taken of that animal. He then believes it gives him the right to post his copyright on them.

[Matt_K]

It's funny, I pm'd Tony the other day asking what kind of camera he uses, as I am in the market for a new one and thought that he has some great pictures, so why not look into it??

He didn't reply, So I guess I now know why.. He didn't know the answer..

On a side note, let's not let this get out of hand again guys... Tony, perhaps you could clarify the situation so that we can kill the topic and move on.. After all, it is 2005..

-Matt

[Simon]

Amazing looking boa!

That Coral Sunglow Boa is just absolutely amazing!
And Ra suits him very much!!

[HeatherRose]

Yes, he claims when he puchases an animal he also purchases the rights to all of the pictures taken of that animal. He then believes it gives him the right to post his copyright on them.



Hmm... well, hopefully Tony can come on and clarify this, I'm sure he wouldn't want this kind of fishyness attatched to his reputation.

[BoidKeeper]

All he has to do is take a pic of him holding the snakes in one hand and giving the world the finger with the other and this would be all over and we would all look dumb. Of courese since we can tell what camera it was taken with and when we may never see it.
Interesting though how he has pics of both the snow and the sunglow with US $20 in the backgrounds.
Trevor

[Shad0w]

Hmmm just a point guys...

Exif data (the dates / times in question) in pics is generated based on the date / time set in the camera.. which could easily be wrong...

Also... Exif data can easily be edited... Ive done it myself when I have accidentally missed a time change and taken pics... (Im anal about my pic time/dates :) )

BTW.. this data is not just available to XP users.... its on pretty much any pic taken by a digicam and viewable in any os :)

SO.... there really is no hard evidence here...

Just some finger pointing. :)

"Cant we all just get along?" LOL

[Tyler99]

That is one of the AWSOME snakes I have ever seen!!!!!!

Right now, Im studying the gods, of greek and egypt, ka, the name, has 2 as like kaa. :)

Though with all the commotion, Im confused? Does tony have all these snakes?? Is someone else takin pics??

Can someone tell me whats going on??

[Tim_Cranwill]

Originally posted by Tyler99
Though with all the commotion, Im confused? Does tony have all these snakes?? Is someone else takin pics??

Can someone tell me whats going on??

I bet <u>someone</u> knows. I sure as heck don't.

[Paleosuchus]

Awesome looking boa you got there Tony. One thing i still don't get is why you all must bring conflicts like this to the public on the forums, why not just pm instead of adding more people against Tony when like already said, all we can do is point fingers. Only person that really knows the truth about Tony is Tony himself.

[HeatherRose]

Only person that really knows the truth about Tony is Tony himself.


This is true, and all we have left to do is wait for him to set us straight... but I highly doubt this thread will just 'die'.

[CDN-Cresties]

like sands through an hour glass, these are the days of our lives....

[Tyler99]

Originally posted by CDN-Cresties
like sands through an hour glass, these are the days of our lives....

Isnt this from a show?? I dunno, called days of our lives?? My mom watches a show with somin like that.


I hope tony replies, since this is intresting.

[Double J]

Originally posted by Tyler99
I hope tony replies, since this is interesting.

Something tells me we won't hear from him for a long time if what many are thinking is true....

It would certainly be a shame if these pics were posted dishonestly.

I know if people were posting pics of my animals and claiming they belonged to them, I would be furious.

Hopefully Tony can clear this up for all of us.

[Tyler99]

Yeah, I hope all these pics are his, since everyday I check the boa constrictor forums and emerald tree boa forums for his pics, His fans would be CRUSHED!!!

[Shad0w]

Ya know what would be a better idea...
How about everyone stop the finger pointing unless they have irrefutable evidence... I mean cummon guys.. this is all heresay...

U know.. innocent till proven guilty?

Why does this have to be a witch hunt?
No one has ANYTHING to prove with these threads.

I think we all learned to play nice in kindergarten...

Are we not supposed to be discussing herps here? :) I much rather chat herps :)

Sorry guys.. I just felt the need to play devils advocate.

[Matt_K]

Question on the photo status....can it be about anything or is it related to reptiles or members only, or can it be anything off the net or must it be a taken photo (from own camera) and so on?

That question kind of makes all these allegations seem a little more truthfull..

Also, the fact that Tony said he had the snake OUTSIDE in January, kind of seems fishy as well, especially considering that the pics are dated from the summer...

In All honesty, I really hope that he makes us all eat our words and thoughts. These are all AMAZING animals and we NEED animals like these in Canadian collections..

Judging by 'history' Tony won't reply, as you can see in this thread and a couple others, unless it's a compliment, he doesn't acknowledge it..

-Matt

[JonD]

Originally posted by Shad0w
Ya know what would be a better idea...
How about everyone stop the finger pointing unless they have irrefutable evidence... I mean cummon guys.. this is all heresay...

U know.. innocent till proven guilty?

Why does this have to be a witch hunt?
No one has ANYTHING to prove with these threads.

I think we all learned to play nice in kindergarten...

Are we not supposed to be discussing herps here? :) I much rather chat herps :)

Sorry guys.. I just felt the need to play devils advocate.

Is it possible he bought these snakes, maby not received some of them yet and had permission, or was given the images to use as he wished. I don't know, I'm just wondering.....

Guess we won't know till Tony drops on in....;)

[Matt_K]

Originally posted by JonD
Is it possible he bought these snakes, maby not received some of them yet and had permission, or was given the images to use as he wished. I don't know, I'm just wondering.....

Guess we won't know till Tony drops on in....;)

Im sure that could very well be the case.. Doesn't take away from the fact that he said HE had the snake outside though..

Anyway, i'll shut up until Tony replies. :D

-Matt

[Tyler99]

Yes, all of his (???) snakes are truley awsome looking!!!

I really hope all of this stuff is a big lie. Since matt_K said that he only replies to comments. BTW how did all this fishyness start??

[MouseKilla]

Is this an official declaration of shenanigans??

If so, the town charter clearly states that the merchant must respond by bringing his wares to the court house steps in the town square for public inspection. lol!

For our purposes the suggested picture of the sunglow in one hand and a single finger salute in the other would do just fine.

But hold the tar and feathers for a minute and give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Let's presume innocence for a second and each of us think about what we would do if accused of the same thing, would you rush to your own defence and give your accusers what they demand or would you just shrug it off and say that you don't have to prove anything to anyone?

Personally, if the accusations were false, I don't think I would give the accusing mob what they want right away. Nope, if my reputation had already been tarnished (as Tony's has at this point) I would want a price to be paid by my false accusers. I think I would demand that if I were to provide such exculpatory evidence that the accusers each post a pic of themselves wearing nothing but their own most prized snake and a sign that says "Tony's snakes are better than mine, I was just playa hatin' ".

So, how 'bout it? Let's up the stakes here to make it fair for everyone... lol!

[HeatherRose]

I do believe it is an official declaration, yes...

From what I understand, photographs are the property of the person who takes said photographs. Buying the subject of those photos does not imply ownership... pasting your own 'copyright so and so' on pictures you did not take is really, actually, technically stealing.

I would love to give him the benefit of the doubt, so I'm waiting too...

[Dist]

Ive noticed tony is pretty quiet when under fire........But good job sticking up for him Bob...lol..."heresay"...you guys make a great team using "heresay"...its not nice to tell stories...and when the table turns he turtles into a little ball and doesnt come up till the smoke clears....id really like to see what tony has to say about this "heresay".....glad to see you two guys are such good story tellers now... errr.. sorry... "friends"...lmao

[dave68]

I think Tony's locked himself away pinching himself in hopes that he will wake up from this horrible self induced nightmare. Come on man one pic of you holding both snakes sunglow and snow and it will all go away with a bunch of people feeling like idiots!!LOL!!

Dave

[Double J]

Originally posted by dave68
I think Tony's locked himself away pinching himself in hopes that he will wake up from this horrible self induced nightmare. Come on man one pic of you holding both snakes sunglow and snow and it will all go away with a bunch of people feeling like idiots!!LOL!!

Dave

Good point. I am sure any of us would pony up with a photo of ourself with the animal in question if we were in a similar situation.

Come on Tony... set us straight once and for all.........

[Tim_Cranwill]

I still wouldn't feel like an idiot. I would admit my gut feelings were wrong, I would apologize but most of all, I would be VERY surprised. That's about it.

Give him the benefit of the doubt? I think that's what most of us DID for the past year and a half. Now we're giving him the "opportunity" to come clean, explain things and start over. He can take that or leave it. That's up to him.

Is it our fault we noticed things? Nope. That's what intelligent people do.

[Dist]

Well put Tim

[timfriesen32]

Originally posted by BOAS_N_PYTHONS
EVERYONE:

On a relaxing weekend where the tolls of life are taken back with some easy chilling time with the collection, thought to share "RA" the Sunglow Boa.

A beautiful Sunglow Boa, whoops mean Coral Sunglow Boa - why settle for anything less

Everyone meet RA and as the Egyptians praised the sun and named there Sun God, Ra so shall I name this Sunglow in the same manner.



Whatever all this stuff is that is going on is none of my business, but I just made a realization of my own. Maybe I can be a smart/intelligent guy now to.....lol

From looking at his original post, I'm not sure where the accusation of him having the boa outside in January are coming from. I don't think he said he had them outside? I think he's smarter than that. Manitoba is a little to cold for taking boas outside in January.

Who knows, maybe he's got another camera? I don't know. Whatever the situation is, he's obviously not responding to the allegations for some reason or another. I'm just guessing, but the more accusations that come out, the less likely he'll be to respond. But who knows.

Just throwing out another option.

TIm

[Ron]

Originally posted by HeatherRose

From what I understand, photographs are the property of the person who takes said photographs. Buying the subject of those photos does not imply ownership... pasting your own 'copyright so and so' on pictures you did not take is really, actually, technically stealing.


That's what I was trying to tell him in the notorious "Variety Pack of Boas" thread but he just can't grasp the concept.

I'm glad someone sees it the same way I do. :D

[Dist]

EVERYONE:

Thought it out with a budget of 15K, hmmmmm.

Poss. Super Ghost Boa
Arabesque Boa
Pastel Albino Boa
Sunglow Boa

This group hits that scale already but its only 4 boas

Was chatting with a friend this second option is also very nice and all 7 would be a group.

Poss. Super Ghost Boa
Sharp Albino Boa
Jungle (none abberant) Boa
Poss. Super Salmon Boa
Pair - 100% Het Sharp Albino Boas
Arabesque Boa (high end)

Still not 8 but close enough, loads of color and pattern in this group.

Oh well this was fun figuring this out.



Tony

.........Now my question is why would he want a sunglow if he had one?...and if he wanted another one, Tony of all people would specify what sex he wanted....I sure would like him to write back to all "questions and concerns" seeing as he always has that on his posts....this isnt fishy to me and a few people i know...this is reality...him taking pictures putting his copyright on them and saying they are his....Tony i seriously suggest you do come forward and show everyone some pictures of your "snow" and "sunglow" with a newspaper or maybe somthing with your name on it...there is alot of people that havnt posted that really want to know the truth about you....i know the truth...and so do some friends....make it clear to everyone please....im glad this is out in the open....The truth will come out!!

Dont mean to keep posting but you told stories about me that werent true and now its time for everyone to know the truth about Tony Pharosx.......Cheers!!....:-)

[Dist]

.....

[Matt_K]

On a relaxing weekend where the tolls of life are taken back with some easy chilling time with the collection, thought to share "RA" the Sunglow Boa.

Maybe it's just me, but there seems to be implications there that HE was spending 'chilling time' with 'the collection'... Or are we to believe that the person who has this snake was spending the 'chilling time' with his collection???

-Matt

[Bartman]

Personally, if the accusations were false, I don't think I would give the accusing mob what they want right away. Nope, if my reputation had already been tarnished (as Tony's has at this point) I would want a price to be paid by my false accusers. I think I would demand that if I were to provide such exculpatory evidence that the accusers each post a pic of themselves wearing nothing but their own most prized snake and a sign that says "Tony's snakes are better than mine, I was just playa hatin' ".


Exactly, dead on. I would do the exact same thing...who are you guys that would make me have to prove ANYthing.

[Matt_K]

Originally posted by Bartman
Exactly, dead on. I would do the exact same thing...who are you guys that would make me have to prove ANYthing.

Potential Customers?? :rolleyes:

[Tim_Cranwill]

If you ever plan to sell 10k snakes, it might be in your best interest to have a fairly clean reputation. That's all.

But there is something to be said for your outlook. It's not mine but I know people like that. :)

[noname]

Just going to put an idea out there...isn't it possible that Tony acquired photos of the boa(s) in question, before buying them, and just posted those photos? I mean, maybe he hasn't had the chance to take photos of his own yet...who knows, but like someone said earlier, innocent until proven guilty. Nonetheless, it's a gorgeous animal.

Courtney

[MouseKilla]

I wasn't saying that he shouldn't clear his own name, in fact I think at this point if he wants to sell snakes in the future it would only be in his best interest to do so, again assuming that he is being falsely accused. Whether anyone thinks it's fair or not that is the position Tony is in and he is the only one who can get himself out of this.

What I was saying is that if it isn't true then he should get Matt, Tim and whoever to bet their own dignity on it and make them look like petty douche bags for starting this whole thing, out of what must have been sheer malice, when he posts the pictures that clear his name.

On the other hand if he is a giant BSer and has been exposed as such by casual observation then he deserves what he's getting... at this point he'd might as well 'fess up now if that's the case and let time bury all of this. Why prolong the agony?

[timfriesen32]

Originally posted by Matt_K


Anyway, i'll shut up until Tony replies. :D

-Matt



Still haven't seen Tony's reply.......lol

[Bartman]

What I was saying is that if it isn't true then he should get Matt, Tim and whoever to bet their own dignity on it and make them look like petty douche bags for starting this whole thing, out of what must have been sheer malice, when he posts the pictures that clear his name.


That is exactly what all of you want...I was thinking by him not doing anything though he is only feeding the wolves. I would personally fess up but who are we to make it necessary to prove anything, like I said. If business is going the same then why care?

[Matt_K]

What I was saying is that if it isn't true then he should get Matt, Tim and whoever to bet their own dignity on it and make them look like petty douche bags for starting this whole thing, out of what must have been sheer malice, when he posts the pictures that clear his name.

Not sure when I started all of this.. Could have sworn it was Ryan that brought it all up..

timfriesen32 - :rolleyes: I meant i'd shut up as to whether they're his pictures or not..

[MouseKilla]

Matt,
Fair enough, bad choice of words. I'm not sure who made the initial call of shenanigans. If I am wrong about you being one of the people who have made an accusation I retract that as well.

Bartman,
I don't want a thing from Tony, I was just making the observation that it was up to him to end this crap one way or the other or this will just carry on every time he posts a picture. Like you said, his silence only invites more ridicule. It makes no difference to me which is true, I know all of my snakes are real. lol!

[Scales Zoo]

I beleive I made the initial call of shenanigans.

Ever since Tony got his Snow boa, he never sent me any pictures of it. He wanted my het for snow female, but still wouldn't send pictures.

Finally when pictures were posted, they did not seem like his average pictures - and that is when I started to be suspicious. I had reason to beleive he lied to me, and I do not take that lightly.

Over Christmas, this was brought up and Tony tried to make accusations to point eyes at others, and take the eyes off him. If you did not get a chance to read the many pages of crap, consider yourself lucky.

So, now I found that the sunglow pictures (which were just as suspicious) and the snow boa pictures were taken some time ago and with a different camera than all his other pictures of stuff he actually has.

If I was Tony, i"d be taking pictures of them with a newspaper or me holding them (and I'd definitely be giving the finger!) - but for some reason, we have not heard from Tony, and he has removed most of his pictures.

I've made my decision on what has gone on, and I have all the "proof" I personally need.

I honestly thought Tony would try to defend himself, or try to throw mud on me in defense, I am actually suprised that he is not posting (probably waiting for this to die down).

What I suspect, is he has paid for the snakes, has trouble getting them to Canada, almost moved to the U.S because of it, and just wants to show them off. He could have been honest about it, but he wasn't, and he is taking credit for taking the pictures (copyright on them) - which is very wrong and dishonest. He seems to get caught up in "who has the nicest snakes" and feels the need to post all kinds of pictures to make his fan club happy - even if the pictures are not his.

Ryan

[BoidKeeper]

Let's get one thing straight right now. Tony started this mess, not Matt, Tim, Me or Ryan or any one else. He put him self out there what did he expect. No one asked him to post 20 pics a day.
Cheers,
Trevor

[MouseKilla]

Trevor,

If Tony's lying about having the snakes then you're right, it's no one's fault but his own that someone picked up on it.

The only problem here is that while it would be quite easy for him to prove that he had them, if he did, it remains much harder to prove that someone doesn't have something. You can't prove a negative. Impossible to prove that something doesn't exist whether it's a snake or Bigfoot.

The only person who can prove anything isn't talking... what is the uninvolved, objective observer to think? I'm afraid that the longer it goes the worse it looks on Tony.

[Shad0w]

Dist (Dustan) again huh?
We know exactly how you conduct business...
Issues regarding you were put to bed long ago.


Mousekilla,

Thats exactly my point... if Tony is lying.. then shame on him. However, no one can prove it.. so hearsay it is... only logical...

Here's an idea for everyone... how bout instead of turning these threads into lynch mobs... just form your own opinion of the people involved and dont bring it out into the public unless you have proof.

Im not defending anyone.. just dont see a need to re hash this over and over again... if you dont like doing business with Tony.. dont.

[HeatherRose]

I'm sure no one wants this thread closed, so let's try to keep it civil and on-topic so Tony has a chance to explain...

:p

[Rob McRobbie]

U know.. innocent till proven guilty?

?? Shadow... Do you have multiple personality disorder?? Shortly after this whole thing came up back in December you PM'ed me this...


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Comments on Tony

Hey Rob,

Yer comments on Tony:

"Every second day when you catch me on MSN you're are sending me links to posts you have made on ssnakess. On top of that, you are asking me to reply to these threads and if I haven't, you are asking me why I haven't?? Sorry Tony, I just don't have a lot of time to start praising you and replying to every thread I see. Others might, but I don't. "

I just wanted to mention he does the exact same thing to me... odd..... :S

Dont know what to make of it....

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Quote:

Rob McRobbie wrote on 12-28-04 11:26 PM:
I think he is very insecure and needs constant praising on these forums... He talks about his so-called "facility" all the time... I don't know about you but my collection is in my basement,,, Never ever referred to it as a facility... Maybe he in fact does have a separate facility but I doubt it... He just wants to make himself look more than he really is and is letting all these morphs and such get to his head....

He was thanking me up and down after he got the 2 baby emeralds from me but before the deal was done, he treated me like a piece of **** asking me for a zillion different pics, backing out of the deal at least 3 times if not more because I simply refused to budge on the price.... Finally when he got the animals and was so pleased with them and was posting pics of them, not once did he mention on the forum where he got them from.. I just simply said to him that if he was so thankful for them, then a little credit on the forum would be appreciated.. He said that he doesn't advertise for free.... Nice... wish I never sold them to him....

Rob

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Quote:

Shad0w wrote on 12-29-04 11:37 AM:
Hey Rob,

Yeah, my collection resides in the basement of my house too
No "FACILITY" here...

Funny, Ive asked him to see pics of his setups/facility and he refused citing security / insurance issues... okay... LOL

Yeah I think its really crappy that he would not give credit where credit is due to breeders like yourself...

Ah well... Live and learn I guess...
Just scares me bro... Ya know I already got burned once by that Dustan guy... and Tony seemd like a trustworthy person to me... and I was gunna do some dealing with him... but now.. no way... I dont know who to trust... I must be a HORRIBLE judge of character

Ah well.. like I said earlier.. Live and learn

Thnx Bro!

Bob

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Rob McRobbie wrote on 12-29-04 06:05 PM:
Bob,

Don't get me wrong... Tony has some nice animals and treats them well I am sure... He takes a lot of pride in them.. If you decide not to deal with him it shouldn't be because of his stock... you can make that decision on your own.. I will never deal with him just based on principle and the fact that I feel he is in this hobby a little bit for the wrong reasons...


And really.. there are a lot of people out there you can trust.. Don't be shy to ask me for info on someone if you plan to make a deal...


Rob

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Then... In early January, after Tony posts "While cleaning a few pictures" you post

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Tony...

Beautiful
Yer gunna have to hook me up with some strawberry babies when ya get some!!

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You tell me that you don't trust Tony and "no way" are you going to deal with him then shortly thereafter you are all buddy buddy with him saying that you want to get some "strawberry babies" off him when he has some..

Now, on this thread, you are defending him and telling everyone to lay off?? If I am going to say something about someone.. I will stand behind that. I will not be two-faced and butter someone up and then behind their back, stab them.. like you did in the PM to me....



Tony... thought you'd might like to see what others way about you behind your back.. Even members of your fan club are not being true....


Rob

[Shad0w]

Rob first off... Ive had my own thoughts that I dont bring to the public forums... its just not cool...

Im not defending anyone...
There's just too much of a witch hunt going on..
If Tony is lying, he is the one that will have to live with it...

Also.. there is nothing wrong with asking someone in private what they thought of someone, esp someone you dont really know yet...

It helps me form an opinion of someone I really dont know besides here on the forums...

And dood.. honestly its not cool to post PM's
here.

[Rob McRobbie]

Just calling a spade a spade...

[Shad0w]

Call it what you will Rob,
but it takes a serious lack of integrity to post a PM in a public forum...

Im not in the habit of bad mouthing anyone... and I dont think I really did... The PM was out of concern at a time I was contemplating a deal with him... and I was reaching out to someone I thought might have known him a bit better than I.
You were the one that made me feel better about him...

Anyhow,
Thanks Rob...

[HeatherRose]

C'mon now guys, start your own thread so I can move that one ;)

Let's try our very, very gold-star best to keep this one on topic and civil so it stays up and doesn't have to be split or modded...

I'm sure everyone wants to see how it ends...

[Shad0w]

Heather, you got my buy in :)

Dont know why it had to be forked...

Anyhow... I too want to see how this will end, .... ahh... u guys know how I feel so I wont repeat myself :)

[Rob McRobbie]

Funny... Seems to me that you drew you own conclusions... saying that you were never going to deal with him.. then shortly thereafter you are trying to score baby emeralds off him when they come available..

Sorry Bob.. Stuff like that just doesn't sit well with me. I appreciate it when people are upfront with me.... not telling me one thing while saying something else behind my back..


Rob

edit.. Sorry Heather.. I'll stop now and stay on topic..

[Shad0w]

Thats right Rob, I formed my own opinion, based on what you said... and after I thought about it...

Quote:
"Don't get me wrong... Tony has some nice animals and treats them well I am sure... He takes a lot of pride in them.. If you decide not to deal with him it shouldn't be because of his stock... you can make that decision on your own.."

Sorry Heather.. Im done now :)

[honduranfreekk]

:hour: :hour: :hour: :atom: :atom: :atom: :unclesam: :unclesam: :unclesam: :unclesam: :unclesam: :unclesam: :unclesam: :unclesam: :unclesam: :unclesam: :medpuke: :medpuke: :toilet: >(


:o :o :o :o hmmm sorry Heather got bored;)

I HOPE he posts a pic so this will ALL end ;)

Kelvin@Brigitte

[CDN-Cresties]

I think this is the most viewed thread in ssnakess history....

EDIT: Nevermind. Its not.... :)

[Double J]

Originally posted by CDN-Cresties
I think this is the most viewed thread in ssnakess history....

EDIT: Nevermind. Its not.... :)

I would guess that this thread is second to the Variety Pack of Boas thread.....:firestart

[Nett]

It would seem to me that Tony would have learned from the other thread .....But then again ........

I agree that if we are all wrong about Tony and his collection then proving us wrong and saving his rep would be on the top of his list of things to do ........ I had something like this happen to me on the Bob Clark forums a couple yrs back and was told the pics I posted were of a fake snake ....... The baby died shortly after I took the pics so I went to my freezer and pulled him out and took frozen snake pics with in 5 mins to prove that he wasnt fake and to make sure my rep wasnt smashed with faulse accusations.......... Your rep is everything in this business and if Tony is such a stand up guy then he would be posting proof and we would all be eating crow by now ...........

As for the copywrite infringement thats a whole other issue and even if he owns those animals and they are at his home he has no right to put his name to others photos and as far as I am concerned ......that right there says all there is to say about Tony

[marisa]

Let's keep things CLEAN like Heather said. While this is not the BOI, it's also a close knit community that gets very "nervous" when one of us appears to be lying. It's a good thing we are all very close but a bad thing if things get out of hand. I myself (or any mod) would glady close this if it gets out of hand. So let's keep on topic and frankly, nothing more needs to be said unless it's Tony doing the saying at this point :D :D :D

On another note.....if I go to the zoo and take photos, and post them here, the zoo cannot come at me and say the photos are theirs because they own the animals. That's just ridiculous. :D

Marisa

[BoidKeeper]

It's funny how the two snakes in question are the only two I've seen pics of that have a US $20 in them. If he is in the habbit of taking pics with $20 in them why haven't we ever seen a US $20 in any of his other pics.
Before all this happen anyone could look at his pics by copying and pasting the links from the properties section of his pics here on ssnakess into their address bar of their browser. That's where I found all his other pics of the sunglow and the one with the US $20 in particular. Not long after all this started all the pics I had viewed were taken down. I wonder why that is? If they are his snakes why does he care who sees them, why take them down? The only pics left are the ones in his current post. So it would seem to me that not only is he not deffending himself he may also be trying to hide things too.
Cheers,
Trevor

[greenman1867]

I don't know the facts, and by the looks of it no one here knows either. I can be a mean ignorrant MF when I want to be, but I don't see any real reason here. Rant away, but really, why?

I say Goregous Boas!! Great pics and thanks for posting them.

[Manitoban Herps]

I guess we will all know if he has the snakes if he gets neonates this summer. I don't know who to beleive. But I made my choice today and if I was wrong all well. Not like I could afford any BCI morphs anyways :p

[Tyler99]

Cmon tony, please REPLY!!!!! I cannot beleive all the attention this thread has! Over a THOUSAND views!!!!!


I have a feelin that he will stop posting though....I noticed that he mostly replies to comments like in the very beginning of this thread.

Has anyone try to email him or anything??

[Vengeance]

Originally posted by greenman1867
I don't know the facts, and by the looks of it no one here knows either. I can be a mean ignorrant MF when I want to be, but I don't see any real reason here. Rant away, but really, why?

I say Goregous Boas!! Great pics and thanks for posting them.

I think the main reason why is because people should know who is being dishonest especially in a case such as this where the person likes to make a public spectacle of himself and his animals on a more then daily basics.

Reputation is the corner stone of the herp industry and a reputation is earned by being honest, helpful and having integrity in everything. Posting animals that you don't own or don't have is dishonest and draws into question if a person is being dishonest about what they have in their possession then what else are they or are going to be dishonest about. Especially something that could easily be put to rest as a photograph when we know that Tony loves to take photos.

To me it is very fishy that a person who obviously loves to display "his" animals would be so standoffish and evading when it comes to a picture taken with said animal. It would be another thing completely if the person was unable to take a picture or didn't know how, but this is definitely not the case here. I've read this thread, the thread about the snow boa and the thread on Fauna Classifieds and I have to say that this would definitely deter me from any dealings with Tony.

[Tyler99]

Can someone possibly give me a link to th snow boa add in the classified that people are talking about??

[Vengeance]

This is the Snow Boa thread

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62991

[greenman1867]

Vengence,

Are you planning on buying Tony's snakes in the near future? If not then his rep doesn't really matter. What I was saying is "innocent until proven guilty" the burden of proof is/should be on the accuser.

I like the pictures and I hope Tony keeps posting. I for one don't really give a rats asp (thats a snake honest :D) if they are his or not. So long as he isn't stealing them and trying to sell them or whatever. TBH Tony is nothing but polite in his posts. Would I like to visit his place and see all these beauties in person?? Damn straight! For now I will keep looking at the purdy pictures.

[Vengeance]

Originally posted by greenman1867
Vengence,

Are you planning on buying Tony's snakes in the near future? If not then his rep doesn't really matter. What I was saying is "innocent until proven guilty" the burden of proof is/should be on the accuser.


Who knows, I might or I might not, but as I am starting to try and figure out who are good people to deal with in this industry and who aren’t threads like this are very informative. For me through the threads I have read and the responses from the people involved have allowed me to formulate my own opinion and thoughts on this situation, those being what I stated earlier, so until further information is brought forth I stand by my earlier comments.

[Kimo]

You know....

This forum is starting to look, and read alot like that other forum we all despise and loathe....I wonder why?

Oh i know...because our Canadian leaders for herps IE. Cranwill have set an example by acting like a two year old and bashing someone whos got a collection that makes him look like a small fry...time to grow up, This is why Canada is 20 years behind the U.S. in the reptile industry.

1. If he has purchased the reptiles from US Breeders, they are now Canadian property... and as far as im concerned he can flaunt his stuff all he wants, regardless of wether or not its sitting in his house...or waiting for Cites permits to go through...they still belong to him, And us as Canadian Herpers...

2. Trevor, Ain't you a school teacher? fine role model you are for the future of our children...

3. Matt K, I know your also a member and have the right to post comments on pictures, and or threads started....however your also a Moderator, wich means while doing so you MUST set an example for the other members to act by, your conduct in this thread and others, aswell as the BOI forum, are below your level, start posting with care mon ami...

4. the only people that look like absolute fools here, are the ones that keep bashing, even though Tony has walked away...are you all blind? he's not posting anymore, give it up, your wasting space for threads that actually are important...

Ever hear the Term "It's Like Talking To A Brick Wall"

Why would he reply? Why would he stoop to your level? what the hell does he have to prove to you? not a thing...

His Buisness practices are flawless, has not had one person give negative feedback about him or how he conducts buisness, he's there for his clients before, and after purchase, and has been a wealth of information for me,and many others aswell as help me through many herp related problems (and i haven't purchased one thing off of him)

Take a step back guys, look at your own behaviour...and you want to judge, and crucify him for being polite, and not being rude...

one thing comes to mind after reading all of these threads regarding Tony and his collection....

JEALOUSY!

Welcome Ladies And Gentleman To QueenSnake Part Deux!

Time To Clean It All Up Folks...

I left QueenSnake to get away from this sort of garbage....

Ashamed To Be a sSNAKESs Member...

Josh

[Tim_Cranwill]

Originally posted by Kimo
Oh i know...because our Canadian leaders for herps IE. Cranwill have set an example by acting like a two year old and bashing someone whos got a collection that makes him look like a small fry...time to grow up,

Sorry dude, but Tony's "collection", if he has what he says he does, is actually pretty much on par with mine. You don't know what you're talking about here so I suggest you just stay out of it. Tony can defend himself if he chooses to.

Jealousy? Pfff. Not from me, hombre. I'm not into boas. I could care less if he has 10x what he says he has. Good for him!

If he has them coming into Canada soon and is waiting for them, fine. That would be my guess. But don't lie about it. We've all been there. How hard is it to say "look what's coming any week now!"? Exactly. Sorry, my friend, but jealous I am not.

Tell me why it is so obvious to most of the herpers that have been around for a while? How is it they can see what you can't? Maybe because they've seen it before.

This is getting old. When Tony replies, we will see what the real story is. Until then, all we are left with is the same assumptions we’ve had for the past 20-odd months.

Nice try though. SOMEONE has to defend the guy. :-)

[Kimo]

Just out of curiosity Tim...How old are you?

Just curious, cause my 6 year old little Sister shows more restraint in an argument, and knows when to give up, more so than you do...

But i'm done with this Thread Tim, and this forum for that matter, make you rebuttles, it's still doesnt make an Iota of difference in the greater scheme of things, and anyone with a brain in their head, will see that...

And Congrats on your Collection Tim, i really did envy you...along with tony...but You really dont think owning a few spiders, or Pastel balls or Milks puts you on par with Tonys collection did you?

See You All...

Best Of Luck Everyone In All Your Future Endevaours! (Yes Even You Tim...See Look I Can take the high ground...Can you?)

Been fun while it was still clean

Lots O Luv Everyone

Josh

[Tim_Cranwill]

LOL! Ok, man. That's fine with me. :)

Peace.

[Matt_K]

3. Matt K, I know your also a member and have the right to post comments on pictures, and or threads started....however your also a Moderator, wich means while doing so you MUST set an example for the other members to act by, your conduct in this thread and others, aswell as the BOI forum, are below your level, start posting with care mon ami...

Yes, how DARE I say that when Tony replies, we will know the truth.. How DARE I wait for him to reply.. How DARE I bring to light that he made a second screen name on ssnakess.com to AGREE with himself and belittle the other members.. I should be and AM ashamed of myself..

Im really not sure what I was thinking when I mentioned that I personally wouldn't bring a snake outside for pictures in January... And heaven forbid I ever make another joke about someone pinching themself again.. Yes, A JOKE, that Im almost 100% sure Tony took it as..

Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned that I had PM'd Tony about his camera?? Yeah, I really shouldn't have asked him what Kind of camera he was using, you know, it's not like I'm currently shopping around for one..

I really should be more of a role model to the members and not make comments like these..

Tony, perhaps you could clarify the situation so that we can kill the topic and move on..

and

In All honesty, I really hope that he makes us all eat our words and thoughts. These are all AMAZING animals and we NEED animals like these in Canadian collections..

Oh, there's that jealousy of mines showing itself.. :rolleyes:

hopefully the sarcasm was thick enough in this reply.. Have a nice night :D

-Matt

[HeatherRose]

1. If he has purchased the reptiles from US Breeders, they are now Canadian property... and as far as im concerned he can flaunt his stuff all he wants, regardless of wether or not its sitting in his house...or waiting for Cites permits to go through...they still belong to him, And us as Canadian Herpers...

As far as you and a few people are concerned, this is fine. As far as a few more people and myself are concerned, it is not.



3. Matt K, I know your also a member and have the right to post comments on pictures, and or threads started....however your also a Moderator, wich means while doing so you MUST set an example for the other members to act by, your conduct in this thread and others, aswell as the BOI forum, are below your level, start posting with care mon ami...


I don't see Matt doing anything other than setting an example here, and I've never seen him not post with care. He brought certain issues to light, yes, but so would any other member if they had had said information... I find his posts ten times more civil, calm and thought-out than yours.


4. the only people that look like absolute fools here, are the ones that keep bashing, even though Tony has walked away...are you all blind? he's not posting anymore, give it up, your wasting space for threads that actually are important...


I see very few people bashing. Infact I see people waiting. If Tony cares about his reputaion, he will be here to post. Otherwise, it seems like he's hiding, and will seem so until he posts. I'm sure that anyone who ends up looking like a 'fool' will be those people who implied that this thread is of no importance and that it's 'okay' for this issue to be ignored.

[Tyler99]

Matt_K and heatherRose, both very good posts!

Kimo, dont you think your takin this TOO seriuos?? I know, like you said, your done with ssnakess (Ive seen people say that and they come back in like three weeks).

In all, I think its a lil odd that tony wouldnt reply to matts PM.


Lets try and keep this thread going! LOL I can see it now, right when tony gets on to fix all of this ruffle, its locked!!LOL


I have a question, well, two. How much are coral sunglow and snow boas?

[SnakeyeZ]

Originally posted by Manitoban Herps
I guess we will all know if he has the snakes if he gets neonates this summer. I don't know who to beleive. But I made my choice today and if I was wrong all well. Not like I could afford any BCI morphs anyways :p


Im with you Kevin..i really dont know who to trust anymore...also...i may not be able to afford them BCI morphs...but it doesnt bother me non the less.

[marisa]

"This is why Canada is 20 years behind the U.S. in the reptile industry."

Um no. The Canadian reptile market is not behind, it's smaller because we have LESS PEOPLE! Ugh! Why do people constantly look for reasons the canadian market is "smaller" ???? Is it not obvious yet that Canada has less people? And if you honestly think we squabble more than the US, you need to spend more time with the US herpers who fight over the brand of paper towel each other uses! :D

In any case, Tony would privately message any mod if he himself wanted the thread closed. I have recieved.....here let me count....zero complaints about this thread..not one. Now when we decide on a thread being closed or not, believe or not we also rely on members thoughts. Not 100% but they are DEFINITLY taken into consideration...IE. say a thread is not bad at all, but someone complains...we will probably close it just to satisfy the member because that's what we are here to do.

Kimo I understand many of your points and agree with some, but others are really a stretch. And for people "hating" this thread being open, they sure do reply alot keeping it active!

"aswell as the BOI forum,"

Matt's conduct is fine. As I said for all the complaints, no member has yet complained to us, not even Tony. Matt has simply asked questions, even to Tony in pm, stated facts, etc. If Tony asked Matt to please simply close the thread just because, Matt would probably even do it. Matt is also not a mod on Fauna and can post there as he see's fit.

The most hilarious part is the people who are agreeing with Tony, and who are calling for it to close, THEY keep posting! LMAO!

Again this thread is borderline, I agree. But until it goes beyond that, I don't think it's even fair to close it without giving Tony a chance to speak and share his side. That would be rude. And I personally don't want to do that because it would piss me off if it was done to me.

Marisa

[Shad0w]

Okay guys... can we just drop this whole issue?

Everyone can believe what they want and Tony can choose to show himself if he wishes.... lets leave it at that...

I mean WE...as in all of you... including myself, ARE the herp community here in Canada... and look at us... destroying each other... the animosity built up in this ONE thread can set back the herping community for years in canada... I may be a little over dramatic but you all get my point...

[marisa]

UGH!

THe people who don't like the thread KEEP posting! WHY! WHY! WHY! :P :P

I (and the other mods) are content to let this thread die. But I will NOT close a thread until the person in question tells me to because he wants to give up his chance at a reply. PERIOD. It's NOT fair at this point to exclude Tony from a reply! It's NOT fair at all to Tony.

If you don't like this thread, STOP BRINGING to the top of the pile!

Marisa

[Shad0w]

Deal Marisa ... last post :)

[tdherper]

I'm not sure why people wouldn't like this thread, it teaches a valuable lesson to all of us alike....

"If you talk the talk, you better walk the talk as well", especially if you talk sooo much and often..... my .02 :zi:

[dave68]

Yeah and never mind the lesson being learned throughout the thread at least I have a soap opera to come home to enjoy, now that I'm a woking mom.....i say keep the thread alive......lollollol...sorry bad sense of humor and also easily entertained, thanks...Allison

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

EVERYONE:

Below you will read my reply, which has been authorized by my legal council. This will be my last reply to this and any other issues brought up from the past - future, about myself and my collection, and as a member on this or other internet public forums.

My reply has been called for and now the moderators of this forum must close this thread as there is nothing more to be debated or mentioned again. It is the responsibility of the moderators to end this once and for all. Please comply as everyone had a chance to make their statements and now I have made mine and the issues are all closed.

I also request that any issue or anything involving this thread or any thread in the past be ended. No future accusations to be brought up if not related to business practices as a whole, if your not a past / current customer you have nothing to present of slanderous defamation of character or business practices.

We gave everyone the opportunity and the ability to make there statements before making our final reply and the conclusion has come to an end. My reply might be a few pages long due to images.

Tony Pharosx

NOTE:

Please look over all these links, I am not responsible of what these links show and represent and anything where it may have been edited by other members but valuable information was discussed by myself to help the community. It is important to look at the dates of my and alot of everyone' s replies and see how one can be negative on me yet positive as well, and understand the reasons that the accusers have ganged up to create a fire they had no business doing.

Below are threads I made giving credit to breeders and suppliers.

1st - Attempt too give credit where credit was due (February 05, 2004) - PRESS HERE. (http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32739)

2nd - Attempt too give credit where credit was due (February 05, 2004) - PRESS HERE. (http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36711)

Below are threads done on me showing my business practices and overall membership was valued.

1st - Satisfied customers posting on me (May 15, 2004) - PRESS HERE. (http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39181)

2nd - Satisfied customers posting on me (July 12, 2004) - PRESS HERE. (http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48605&highlight=Pics+Athena+new)

3rd - Satisfied customers posting on me (June 20, 2004) - PRESS HERE. (http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46958&highlight=a+well+deserved)

Below are links of trying to help the community best I can with issues that are of importance.

1st - Attempt to help the community in general (June 12, 2004) - PRESS HERE. (http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46291&perpage=15&highlight=shipping&pagenumber=1)

2nd - Attempt to help the community in general (June 12, 2004) - PRESS HERE. (http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=354379#post354379)

3rd - Attempt to help the community in general (December 01, 2004) - PRESS HERE. (http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58574)

Below is a site that can help the new and current members with people in this community.

Informative site about the best and worst people in this hobby - PRESS HERE. (http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=614)

These are just a few links I could provide with my limited understanding of the internet. It does not matter what anyone here wants to think about why I am doing this. But what does matter is I am providing to the community is actual proof, information, experience, ethical behavior, and responsibility to my friends, customers and the whole community.

Now if any member wishes to read the below images, please do so with an open mind and from top to bottom. If you can not do this, please keep you comments about me private as they have no bearing on the overall response I am making here.

Thank you.

PS: And this is my 2000th post, talk about timing. :D

I also wonder how many of the people who followed this thread will actually read my full reply, the number is high. Time will tell if the full views double after my reply and the thread is closed – Yes I am asking the moderators to close the thread.

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Tony Pharosx

[BoidKeeper]

What I want to know is where is Romeo in all this, what are his thoughts on all this?
Trevor
PS
Tony could you please PM or email me the name of your legal council please I would like to contact him/her to find out were they went to school because no lawyer with a proper education would ever authorize such giberish.

[tdherper]

Tony,
I just wasted 25 minutes reading and rereading your post. I admit I added a little snide comment about walking the talk, and it bothers me that you spent an obvious large amount of time creating this essay, when in fact you could have totally proven those doubters wrong in less than a minute by posting a photo of this animal with you.
I will not hide anonymously, my name is Tony D'Alessandro. I have no friends on this board. I collect reptiles and enjoy coming on the site for info, and let's face it entertainment!
I agree with BoidKeeper about your legal council... Why did you choose to respond this way. Someone called your bluff and it is time to show your cards...If you say you have pocket Aces, you have to show them when called.
I always enjoyed looking at you photos, although I often thought it arrogant to only entertain compliments by demanding people "Stay on topic"
I say that the only way for you to save face in this situation is to either post pics, or admit you've been stretching the truth. That 12 page rant is ridiculous and serves only to further the opinions stated about you in these threads.
I'm sorry to chime in here, but I thought you might be interested in someone's opinion who has nothing to gain or hide.
Regards,
td

[Scales Zoo]

Since I was referenced so much in the letter, I double dog dare you to go infront of a judge with me, as I do want to see those snakes.

You lied to me, and for that, you owe me an appology.

Ryan

[HeatherRose]

My reply has been called for and now the moderators of this forum must close this thread as there is nothing more to be debated or mentioned again. It is the responsibility of the moderators to end this once and for all. Please comply as everyone had a chance to make their statements and now I have made mine and the issues are all closed.


I believe it is actually your responsibility to resolve this issue...

[Double J]

All this, and still no pic of him holding the sunglow.

[Tyler99]

I noticed, tony that you said somin about me saying *your fans would be crushed!*

First of all I was saying that all the people that thought you had a really awsome collection, would prolly be upset if it was fake. You know like you saying "chilling" its "slang".

[BoidKeeper]

Last time I checked the TOS I didn't see anything in there about the mods having to take orders from you Tony about when to close a thread. And as for me being on this ice with regards to your photo account. Well if you knew what you were talking about you'd know that any time you post a pic the link to where that pic is hosted is in the properties folder of the pic. Anyone with half a brain can copy it and past it into their address bar and see the pic back in your gallery. What they can't see is the whole gallery at once. And as for the links I was talking about here they are,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/anubisanerythristicboa046.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/naconsalmonboa080.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/bastetanerythristicboa049.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/naconsalmonboa085.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/naconsalmonboa084.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/naconsalmonboa088.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/bastetanerythristicboa030.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/bastetanerythristicboa051.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/bastetanerythristicboa053.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/anubisanerythristicboa039.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/anubisanerythristicboa041.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/ghostboa041.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/anubisanerythristicboa040.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/anubisanerythristicboa060.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/anubisanerythristicboa050.jpg


These ones actually still work,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/naconsalmonboa086.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/bastetanerythristicboa050.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/naconsalmonboa087.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/BOAS_N_PYTHONS/02%20-%20BOA%20MORPHS/bastetanerythristicboa052.jpg

No one slandered you or tried to ruin you or accused you of bad business practices or any of that stuff. All people ever did was ask to see new pics of two of your snakes, that's it that's all. And in response to that you write 11 pages of garbage no ones cares about and in doing so only mad yourself look bad.
Up until the point you posted a lie about me on this board I had nothing against you. You think we are on a witch-hunt or trying to take you down. We're just calling a spade a spade.
You said in your rant that you have snakes. Well that doesn't prove much.
Do you have the snow and sunglow in your possession?
Why are they the only two with US $20 in them?
I go on but it's pointless.
Oh and one more thing buddy. It's only a matter of time before I pass along your address and cell phone # to the city of Winnipeg which as I'm sure you know have a ban on Boa Constrictors. Who's on thin ice now pal?
Trevor
PS
Still waiting for your lawyer’s address and phone number.

[Joe]

Im no member of a "click" or "possee" but I can say this, I really don't care if the pics were yours or not.... in all honesty I never really heard of you before this.... I read your post or reply as you call it and to me it seems like your pretty full of yourself... "Famous" like other posts of yours? I really must have been out of the loop recently... In my opinion I agree this post has gone too far and I don't really care if you prove yourself, this is all just a waste of space...

[reptiguy420]

I agree Tony has some awesome pics of snakes, but i wish he had enough respect for this community to set everyone straight.Tony if you have what you say you have, take some pics man itll take 2 min.Youll be getting apologies left and right, i dont see what the big deal is.You state that you dont care if anyone believes they are your animals or not and that your not going to take pics to resolve this issue.I know you know you sh*t about snakes, and personally i think they are your snakes.It just sucks for everyone that believes in you to sit here and listen to you say you dont care if anyone does believe they are infact your snakes.Its just dumb, especially when this can all be resolved with a simple flash of a camera.Just my 2 cents, good luck with this....

[dave68]

Trevor
Is there really a ban on boas in Winnipeg? Interesting!
Allison
Sorry, it's off topic, LOL!

[Manitoban Herps]

Yes they are banned in Winnipeg.

But according to him he doesn't live in Winnipeg. (I am not sure if he does or not)

[marisa]

I am now closing the thread.

Members will NOT be banned as it takes THREE warnings to be banned.

As stated, I will now do as Tony asked. I am sorry to Tony and everyone else it was not done earlier but I just came online right now for the first time since yesterday.

Marisa
EDIT to add: I also wanted to say the thread was NOT closed earlier because closing it before Tony has a chance at that point really would not have been fair, and I am sure both sides can see the logic in that.