Sick video - extremely graphic

[Bartman]

A friend sent me this video today and I personally was about to vomit when I saw it. For those of you who are weak at heart id suggest you don’t watch it. It is extremely graphic.

It is a piranha feeding on a live rat, which is thrown into the tank and forced to swim around while being eaten alive by a few piranhas.

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=19544&highlight=feeding+video


I just don’t understand how people sit there and allow such a horrible thing to happen. Feed piranha’s whatever they want but what the hell is the point of feeding a live helpless rat when you could JUST as easily feed f/t or p/k. At least kill the thing humanly!
Some people...sickens me. :mad:


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EDIT: Link doesnt work..lemme try again
EDIT2: Work now?

[JAdkins2451]

That is quite disturbing, I understand if you HAVE to feed it live prey. Piranhas dont have to eat live prey... Its disturbing

[Paleosuchus]

Would i be a hypocrite to say thats horrible, i feed live? In fact, feeding the new emeralds at the store live, i witnessed one almost "gut" a live rat. In terms of if that video was necessary, no complete ammusment of course, and in that sence that is very disturbing and sickening. In the way i feed live it is necessary for the animal, to eat. In the way it was fed that was pure sick. Although neat, i would have much rather seen a thawed.

[CHRISANDBOIDS14]

OMFG!!!!! If I ever knew who did that I would give them such a beating, and see how they like it if I rip their leg off! That is absolutely horrid. Sick minded peices of *$()#@%!!!!!!!!!!!

That is so cruel. Its missing part of itself and you can see it still struggling to get away! OMFG. I dont get grossed out easy, but that just POed me SO MUCH!

Dont feed live unless you have to and try to make it humane(Ie: Hold the feeder so that it doesnt hurt the eater, and that it gets killed fast.

C.

[nita]

Usually when a snake grabs and kills its prey it is a quick death. What they did was sick, letting something get eaten alive is wrong. No animal should have to suffer like that.

[CDN-Cresties]

I can't believe how sick and deranged some people are.

[Slipknot]

Thats just flat out disgusting! I can't believe what they did to that rat! I would love to throw them in a pond of pirahnas! :mad:

[JAdkins2451]

Originally posted by Paleosuchus
Would i be a hypocrite to say thats horrible, i feed live? In fact, feeding the new emeralds at the store live, i witnessed one almost "gut" a live rat. In terms of if that video was necessary, no complete ammusment of course, and in that sence that is very disturbing and sickening. In the way i feed live it is necessary for the animal, to eat. In the way it was fed that was pure sick. Although neat, i would have much rather seen a thawed.

Thats how I sorta put it...:) Just not as detailed.. Ive heard the Emeralds are hard to get on to F/T so for the sake of keeping the snakes alive you have to feed them live. Totaly understandible, put for the sake of pirhanas it didnt have to be alive rat it could have ate F/T.. The person that did that was watching it for the pleasure

[zero&stich]

Let's see how those Red Belly Paranahs like a big old Black Paranah in the tank? For those who don't know, you cannot keep anything with a Black Paranah, or it's toast!

Other than that, people are deranged. How bout we all go to that person's house and slip a Taipan on the table?

[Manitoban Herps]

You can't keep any other fish with a piranah, it will get killed eventually. I wouldn't like to see this but, this happens in the wild but the only difference is there rat isn't forced into the water in the wild and can leave the water.

[YoungBuck]

Poor Mouse~!

[beanersmysav]

Originally posted by Manitoban Herps
You can't keep any other fish with a piranah, it will get killed eventually. I wouldn't like to see this but, this happens in the wild but the only difference is there rat isn't forced into the water in the wild and can leave the water.

For the most part I agree but at the pet store they have a display of 2 red belly pirs. and there was some large, large fish that skims the top in there with them and for 6 months they haven't touched him of course someday they probably will but they haven't done it yet, but yes this is sick. However I don't find it much differant than feeding live feeder fish to them, some may disagree but either way they are living breathing creatures... I guess rats just hit closer to home than feeder fish

[Bartman]

Goldfish have a memory span of 3 seconds.

Rats can learn their name and think logically about certain situations as well as problem solve. (cheese maze)

[malaysianbloods]

I personally think that is disgusting and wrong. Like most said above feeding it FT or PK would have been much more humane. Like they said on that site people that get bitten buy sharks don't feel much right when it happens(that is normally the case I seen it on discovery channel the other day), but then again it is normally a fast bite and the person does not get the skin ripped right off there body like that poor rat did. Just my 2 cents.

[Matt_K]

Originally posted by Bartman
Rats can learn their name and think logically about certain situations as well as problem solve. (cheese maze)

Remember that when you're whacking rats and tossing them in your freezer..

While I find the fact that people felt the need to video tape this to be disturbing. I DONT find the fact that they fed their fish a live mouse at all disturbing. (doesn't look like a rat)..

-Matt

[dave68]

Reality is, most people have those types of fish for just that reason, not to sit and watch them eat flakes or pellets. Definately seen worse, (a caiman and a lrg guinea pig)! The video is pretty sick though to say the least, nothing I could sit around and watch.

[Paleosuchus]

See that statement you made Matt_K is exactly what i do. When i feed live to my ball i video tape it every time. The sheer power is outstanding. Does this make me barbaric? I dont think so, so in all this i myself have mixed views. What happen to the rodent is disturbing sure, but watch a few hours of national geographic or discovery. They had lions eating a juvenile elephant alive. While it was being devoured it was still trying real hard to get up. This video could be for many different purposes, show the power of these fish or take the other direction. So i guess i have mixed views. To make an animal suffer to that extent is disturbing/horrible but it happens and it happens all the time. If you can prevent it then you should at all costs is how i would take this, if you cant, its not like your doing something that doesnt happen every day somewhere in the wild.

[Matt_K]

If you can prevent it then you should at all costs is how i would take this, if you cant, its not like your doing something that doesnt happen every day somewhere in the wild.

Then I suppose you should be asked the question.. Why not feed f/t to your snake????

I wasn't saying I condone the video in anyway.. I think this video was taken for all the wrong reasons.. However, if someone wants to toss a live mouse in their fish tank to FEED their fish, so be it. I have nothing against it.. What I DO have something against is a bunch of kids video taping it and posting it on the internet for shits and giggles..

-Matt

[Paleosuchus]

Being the snake i feed the live too, ball python adult male. He wont take anything but that. If he would take f/t i wouldnt think twice about keeping him on live.

[ChunkyMunky]

*Edit* posted in wrong thread lol.

[Matt_K]

Those silly frickin' ball pythons!!

As long as you're not video taping it and posting it on a site like Consumption Junction, I see nothing wrong with it..

-Matt

[Matt_K]

Originally posted by ChunkyMunky
I bought a boa from a fish store :eek:

And even worse, I didnt know it had mites for about 4 months after I bought it. Haha, I didnt even know snake mites existed, untill I got on the internet and did some research. Just think of how stupid some of us would still be if there was no internet. :p

Dan, you jacka5s, make sure you're replying to the right thread next time before you click on 'submit'.. AHAHAHAHA

-Matt

[beanersmysav]

Glad I haven't had to feed live yet but the guy I'm getting my ball from has it on live he said he takes f/t but he breeds rats on a small scale and he partially paralyzes the rat so it wont hurt the snake which I disagree with, if it feeds on frozen, euthanize it first for the purpose of the snake.

Anyways yes fish may have a 3 second attention span, does that make them any less of a living creature? A baby human has about a 5 minute attention span....??? Get the point? Yes they can grow up to have much more but what about the extremely mentally challenged that can't learn their name or even keep from beating their heads off the wall does that make it ok to feed it a predator? I mean obviously not and I'm kinda on the same side with matt on this one, but as a fish lover I feel the same of fish as I do for mice and rats. My fish seemed to know when feeding time is and same time everynight were hiding away from the lights so they must have a better memory than people credit them for.

[philli]

I agree with matt.These kids are taking pleasure in seeing these fish rip apart the mouse.Is it nature..yes..but i think that some people really get off on seeing things like this.I think they post these videos so they can watch everyone argue over pain and suffering.I don't video every time i feed my animals...why would i?It is part of owning an animal..but i don't think that we all need to see this on here.

[Slannesh]

I'm of a mixed opinon on this one....

yeah it's a little sick to do that to a mouse and videotape it then post it on the net just to amuse yourself.

But on the other hand is it any worse than watching a lion take down an antelope on the discovery channel?

Both creatures are being eaten alive, the only real difference is one is happening in a controlled environment while the other is just observing what's going on in nature.

That being said, I haven't watched the video yet since I doubt it's considered "Work safe" so i'll have to get to it later.

But i'm really not sure why everyone is getting all worked up about a mouse getting killed here either. Granted very few of us intentionally feed live rodents to snakes unless we have no other choice... but many of us keep insectivores as well. No one cries for the crickets do they? I know my Leos sometimes will mortally wound a silkworm or superworm and leave them alone when they stop moving so much, often to just turn around and eat something more interesting.

I do have one comment for Dave68 though. I notice in your sig that you have not only a BCI but a Burm and what I assume is a Nile Monitor as well... Are you going to try and say that "cool factor" had NOTHING to do with your choice of pet? I have a hard time believing that... Most of us probably got into herps at least in part because of the 'cool factor' I have absolutely no shame in admitting that it was a big part of why I did. Then again I got my tetras cause they were 'cool' as well. It's not the bad thing that people seem to want to make it out to be.

Granted in any hobby there are the people who do stupid stuff it's definitely not limited to herp ownership.

Having a hot car? Cool. Killing some innocent bystander on the street trying to get away from the cops who are chasing you for street racing? Not Cool. Same sort of thing.

[Ptindy]

Recently I discovered a site with the Tsunami wave video clips on it and I kept searching the site a bit and I found a east indian man tied up and getting his hands and feet cut off. Now that is disturbing. I did feel sorry for that mouse or rat or whatever it was at the time but what can ya do? At least the piranahs got fed a little by it and it wasn't just killed like other mice whose trails under the snow get crushed by snow machines. Like Matt I don't appreciate that he made it a form of entertainment. I'm sure that mouse was in a state of shock. Here's an old post of a cerberus striking a mouse, it's almost as bad.

**Another movie of a mouse getting whacked***

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52413

What's the difference??

Mike

[Kimo]

Originally posted by zero&stich
Let's see how those Red Belly Paranahs like a big old Black Paranah in the tank? For those who don't know, you cannot keep anything with a Black Paranah, or it's toast!

Other than that, people are deranged. How bout we all go to that person's house and slip a Taipan on the table?

Ever Seen An Oscar In a Paranahs Tank? Obviously not...
It Aint Pretty...

Josh

[latazyo]

yes I'd like to put some cichlids in a tank full of those glorified tetras and put them in their place

anyways, that mouse died to the fish in less than a minute, I've never seen a snake kill live prey in less than a minute (except of course for venomous)

but I agree, the footage is in no way disturbing, however filming that or watching that for pleasure is

[joey]

Bart--if that disturbed you so much why would you feel the need to post it?

just wonderin.

[Removed_2815]

Opinions aside, that video is difficult to watch.
Ryan

[sidewinder]

Discovery channels films of lions eating something alive are to teach what happens in nature, not so you can get off on the cruelty of nature. I admit that I feed my boas live but I do it because thats what they eat naturally, believe me ,I get no pleasure out of it. The sole purpose of that video was to enjoy watching a living creature suffer. Yea, now thats entertainment!

[Bartman]

Supposedly someone on the other forums saw the vid with sound and the guys video were chuckling like "beaves and butthead".

That is why I thought of it to be extremely cruel.

Bart--if that disturbed you so much why would you feel the need to post it?


I wanted to see peoples opinions on this topic and if they believe it is cruel or not. Just for some good discussion.

I personally agree that feeding live, if its a must, is alright but feeding it to be entertained is a poor choice to make.

[latazyo]

Originally posted by sidewinder
I admit that I feed my boas live but I do it because thats what they eat naturally

certainly you've got to be kidding

or maybe the pirhana eats the elusive frozen thawed rodent found only in the remote rivers of south amercia, becuase it definitely doesn't encounter any sort of live rodent "naturally"

http://nis.gsmfc.org/nis_factsheet.php?toc_id=197
but may feed on most any organism it encounters, including terrestrial organisms

[CORN_SNAKE91]

See that statement you made Matt_K is exactly what i do. When i feed live to my ball i video tape it every time. The sheer power is outstanding. Does this make me barbaric? I dont think so, so in all this i myself have mixed views. What happen to the rodent is disturbing sure, but watch a few hours of national geographic or discovery. They had lions eating a juvenile elephant alive. While it was being devoured it was still trying real hard to get up. This video could be for many different purposes, show the power of these fish or take the other direction. So i guess i have mixed views. To make an animal suffer to that extent is disturbing/horrible but it happens and it happens all the time. If you can prevent it then you should at all costs is how i would take this, if you cant, its not like your doing something that doesnt happen every day somewhere in the wild.

that is true.... first time fed my corn snake live and it ate it alive.... it is sad but its nature, the web of life. I think the person posting it (on that other forum) is really disturbing. I do feed my snake live (once in a while) and this quote is true....the SHEER POWER of snakes is outstanding (i videorecorded a few cuz for a school documentary) but is it so wrong to see nature? the pirahna though was so stupid because a rat isnt what it eats generally, (although dont know waht it does eat) and for sure to post something like that is wrong...

[loveispretend]

Originally posted by zero&stich
Let's see how those Red Belly Paranahs like a big old Black Paranah in the tank?


Why? What did the fish do that was 'wrong'? They are predators, they have a survival instinct, and that was the only food presented to them. They did what they were born to do.

[sapphire_moon]

Hey, goldfish can operate a maze to, so why do we feed those off and use them for bait?!

If I ever get into big(ger) snakes again, I will probably house my feeders right next to my pets. obviously will get totally different treatment.

Just because something eats live in the wild gives us no right to feed live in captive (unless they ONLY eat live :) ) If at all possible they shoud be fed f/t, stunned, or p/k. For the saftey of the snake, and kill the rat/mouse before hand in a humane way.

You can not react in split second timing to stop that rat from ripping out an eyeball or tearing into the side

(one reason a rat bite hurts is because when angry/frightened they seperate their bottom teeth into a V and put their top teeth in between it, and hang on!)

or worse bitting that spot right behind the snakes head and killing it!

Why risk it? You brought it into a captive enviroment, you are responsible for everything, including a safe meal.

Just my opinion of course :)

[CORN_SNAKE91]

Hey, goldfish can operate a maze to, so why do we feed those off and use them for bait?!

they can?

[chas*e]

Who cares...I feed live and frozen rats, mice, rabbits, and fish to my snakes...Too Bad... but my snakes and crocs don't eat Cherios or Fruit Loops
The Vid is graphic but I have seen worst in my enclosures
By the way ..at least the fish don't carve them up and sit around a BBQ like we do

[daver676]

Wow. Neat video.

I find it funny that people get all uptight about stuff like this. Threads like this never fail to deliver some entertaining banter.

[macd0282]

I understand that certain animals require live food or even previously live food so it doesn't bother me to know it happens. Even so, to get pleasure out of watching an animal be killed and eaten disgusts me. I personally cannot watch those nature shows because even though it is nature, I am too sensitive when it comes to animals of any kind being hurt in any way for any purpose. I just choose to understand and accept it but not have to see it, which is why I have never owned a snake even though I really find them interesting, I just don't have the stomach for it. Anyways, just my opinion:)

[Slannesh]

Originally posted by sidewinder
Discovery channels films of lions eating something alive are to teach what happens in nature, not so you can get off on the cruelty of nature. I admit that I feed my boas live but I do it because thats what they eat naturally, believe me ,I get no pleasure out of it. The sole purpose of that video was to enjoy watching a living creature suffer. Yea, now thats entertainment!

Wow... that's hypocritical. I really doubt your boas would ever encounter what I believe is a Norwegian rat in the wild.

Discovery channel films that sort of stuff cause it gets ratings which means money. Education is a side benefit. If it made no money it wouldn't get filmed.

As I said before I don't think posting the video was necessary but I don't think feeding live mice to pirahnas is especially cruel either, but I do see a difference between setting up such a thing in a controlled environment and simply filming something similar happening in nature without having direct involvement in it.

[sidewinder]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by latazyo
certainly you've got to be kidding

or maybe the pirhana eats the elusive frozen thawed rodent found only in the remote rivers of south amercia, becuase it definitely doesn't encounter any sort of live rodent "naturally"

http://nis.gsmfc.org/nis_factsheet.php?toc_id=197 [/Q

What are you talking about?
I was talking about feeding my boas ,not pirhana. Try to keep up.

[sidewinder]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Slannesh
Wow... that's hypocritical. I really doubt your boas would ever encounter what I believe is a Norwegian rat in the wild.

Discovery channel films that sort of stuff cause it gets ratings which means money. Education is a side benefit. If it made no money it wouldn't get filmed.

As I said before I don't think posting the video was necessary but I don't think feeding live mice to pirahnas is especially cruel either, but I do see a difference between setting up such a thing in a controlled environment and simply filming something similar happening in nature without having direct involvement in it. [

[sidewinder]

Originally posted by Slannesh
Wow... that's hypocritical. I really doubt your boas would ever encounter what I believe is a Norwegian rat in the wild.

Discovery channel films that sort of stuff cause it gets ratings which means money. Education is a side benefit. If it made no money it wouldn't get filmed.

As I said before I don't think posting the video was necessary but I don't think feeding live mice to pirahnas is especially cruel either, but I do see a difference between setting up such a thing in a controlled environment and simply filming something similar happening in nature without having direct involvement in it. What differance if it's a norwegian rat or a capybara, my point is it eats live food! Education is the prime reason discovery channel does what it doe's, so what if they make money. How do you think they pay for making the films? Do you work for nothing? Never said feeding the mouse was wrong, just that it was filmed to watch something suffer.THATS wrong!

[Slannesh]

The point is it's totally unnecessary for your boa to eat live food unless it refuses to take F/T or P/K. At that point it's YOU that wants the live feedings, not your snakes. Your snakes do not eat live rats in the wild, they eat other organisms.

Sometimes live feeding is necessary. I know my leopard geckos have ZERO interest in eating anything that's not moving around a bunch so yes, it's necessary to feed them live. The same simply isn't true for most snakes. So I submit that you're feeding live because it's 'cool' which is both dangerous for the snake and probably unnecessary. Now if you happen to have the rare snake that absolutely refuses to eat anything but live then none of the above sarcasm applies to you :)

Education is a great and noble goal. But the Discovery channel exists to make money, if you doubt that you're just fooling yourself. If it made no money it wouldn't continue broadcasting, plain and simple.

By the way. In the bottom left corner of every post you make, there's an Edit button.... feel free to use it :)

[sidewinder]

Slannesh;
You still haven't told me what the difference is between boas eating rats or other "organisms". My point is that those other organisms are alive and it's perfectly normal for the boa to eat them. I kill or at least stun the rats before I feed my snakes so they don't get hurt. Fresh killed is better than some dead( for who knows how long) corpse. An there's nothing "cool" about killing anything.

[Slannesh]

Or so you assume.

To my knowledge there is no documented scientific proof that F/T is any less healthy than live or prekilled. Though there is less of a risk of parasites on a F/T rat than a live one.

you're doing exactly the same thing the guys with the pirahna were doing... feeding a live animal to another live animal. Now as i've said before there's not really anything wrong with it aside from the risk of your snake being injured.

Now what concerns me is that you change your story from "live" to "Stunned or prekilled" So which is it?

Using your own argument, pirahnas in the wild eat live too. And according to the link that was supplied earlier in the thread they won't hesitate to take a terrestrial animal (such as a mouse) and eat that when given the opportunity so how about you tell me what's the difference between what you do and what the video shows?

You're unnecessarily feeding live. Your snake obviously doesn't need it if it's willing to take prekilled and most snakes that will take P/K will take F/T. So i'm sorry but your backpeddling argument really doesn't hold water.

[sidewinder]

The only difference between how we feed our animals is that someone else kills your rats for you. In other words your willing to load the gun but you have someone else pull the trigger.
If I kill the rat 10 seconds before I give it to the snake, I consider that live feeding.(Just to clear that up.)
Let me try to get this part across again. I'm not bothered that they gave a mouse to the pirhanas. My point was that they made the video just to watch an animal suffer and I think thats cruel.
And for the third time you've avoided my question; whats the difference if a boa in wild eats a rat or some other "organism"?

[Slannesh]

LOL.

That's quite entertaining. However the reason I don't raise my own rats is it's VERY illegal in Alberta. To the tune of a 6 figure fine. So for the record no one in Alberta with an ounce of sense can or would feed live rats. I have absolutely no issue with doing whatever is necessary to feed my pets. In the instance of rats it means buying frozen.

Your story changed again I see. You now kill the rats 10 seconds before feeding. Do you stun them 10 seconds before that? If you feed live you feed live. Really, you're not feeding my snake so I don't care how you feed yours. But your story changing each time you post isn't earning you any credibility.

You had orignally said that you feed live because that's what they eat in the wild. I doubted that your boa would ever encounter a live norwegian rat in the wild. That's it. No big conspiracy, no avoiding the question... I assumed you were smart enough to figure out what I meant on your own.

However since you want handholding though i'll comply.
Since you're so very concerned about it though I do have to ask... Why don't you feed your boa prey items it would actually eat in the wild if the perceived nutritional difference between live and frozen is so great to you? I'm sure their natural prey must be, by at least an order of magnitute, better for them than rats right?

And just to clear something else up.. you consider feeding a dead rat to your snake live feeding. Ok, check. :rolleyes: Now I know it's totally unnecessary since you only feed Prekilled to your snake (which for the record I don't believe for a second since your story changes each time you post) but do you watch the snake eat just to make sure the 'live' rat doesn't hurt it? If so then how is that any less cruel than the video in question.. or the discovery channel show discussed earlier? If it's the video taping part that makes it cruel then the discovery channel is a heinous offended in that regard aren't they?

Now, am I bothered that someone tossed a live mouse in a fishtank to feed a pair of pirahana that killed it relatively quickly and actually ate it? Yeah a bit... because it was probably not really necessary to do and was most likely done simply to watch the fish kill the mouse. Is it any worse than feeding a boa a live rat knowing full well they'll take P/K or F/T? Not at all in my opinion. It's about necessity and intent in my mind. For the record I don't find the discovery channel shows at all disturbing since they are simply a record of what goes on each and every day in nature and aren't normally set up or staged. In my mind that's what makes the difference.

[sidewinder]

] Slannesh,
Nice talking to you, I'm going to stop now before we add another ten pages to this thread! Take care. Steve

[Slannesh]

Sure :) Have a good day

[sapphire_moon]

Yes, you can teach a goldfish to go through a maze, same as a rat (food motivated). Though not all of them learn as quickly as others.....

[spidergecko]

Originally posted by Slannesh
For the record I don't find the discovery channel shows at all disturbing since they are simply a record of what goes on each and every day in nature and aren't normally set up or staged. In my mind that's what makes the difference.

I'm agree with virtually everything you have beed saying but I want to just mention that many nature shows are in fact staged. Have you ever wondered how photographers are able to get such great closeup shots of scorpions or other small animals catching small prey? Well I saw a documentary on nature shows once and these are often setup. Regardless, it is still more "natural" that live feeding a captive animal.

There is one major difference between nature and captivity: captive prey CAN be prekilled. What makes live feeding cruel or immoral is not the act but the fact that we can relieve suffering of the prey animal beforehand. Animals don't have the capacity for morality. Humans do. Therefore, what these people did with the mouse is cruel. Especially since pirhanna are very good at eating non-living food. All of which make that mousy-snuff video wrong on so many levels.

[latazyo]

sidewinder: I was saying that if you said it's ok to feed your boas live because that's what they do natrurally, then how can you speak badly about pirahnas eating live (like they also do naturally)?

I am kept up just fine, I just didn't word that clearly enough

[Dozer]

I've seen that video a couple of times... I've gotta say, 'rhanas are some crazy fish. That rat getting chopped into little mouth full peices and getting eaten to death, is just the way things were intended by whatever forces there are out there for the 'rhana to eat and survive. Thats IS how the fish eats. There truely isn't any difference in feeding a rat to a fish or a snake, snakes suffocate, and 'rhanas tear it up. Again, this topic is only opinion based, the really isn't a fact supporting whether your right or wrong, its all in your head.

My opinion... Great video. You get to appreciate the power mother nature has in the world... and kids, don't swim in the Amazon without a full metal jacket ;)

Mike

[ATBlover]

Originally posted by latazyo
yes I'd like to put some cichlids in a tank full of those glorified tetras and put them in their place

anyways, that mouse died to the fish in less than a minute, I've never seen a snake kill live prey in less than a minute (except of course for venomous)

but I agree, the footage is in no way disturbing, however filming that or watching that for pleasure is

??????????? my Amazon Tree Boa can kill a mouse in less than 10 seconds....almost as fast as the venomous so i think that feeding live is ok , only when it is neccesary..Connor

[sidewinder]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by latazyo
sidewinder: I was saying that if you said it's ok to feed your boas live because that's what they do natrurally, then how can you speak badly about pirahnas eating live (like they also do naturally)?

I am kept up just fine, I just didn't word that clearly enough [/Q
UOTE
]Latazyo,
Sorry for sounding like a smart ***! I just wasn't sure of what you were saying. I wasn't speaking badly about the pirhanas feeding on the mouse,thats completley natural. My problem was with whoever made that video. It's quite obvious that the only reason they made it was because they were enjoying watching something being torn apart, it's not the content of the film that bothered me, it was the reason it was made that I thought it was cruel. Thats all.

[Artemis]

bleh- whatever your thoughts of morality on feeding live are- I definitely did NOT enjoy watching it. Thank god my snakes are happy with their f/t. I guess people are ranged in the spectrum from eww cant take it and I think its horrible and evil ----> (that being a 1 on the scale) all the way up to people who practically get off on it and are like yeah yeah bring the carnage on!!! (that being a 10 on the scale). I think im like a 3-4.

Grody video, interesting post-

Art

[Adrian]

It is a savage cold world sometimes'
Aren't we all?
These things happen

[Rikki]

Always buy pre-killed, they are usually killed in a humane method, not ripped apart slowly..... Thats horrible.....

[CORN_SNAKE91]

Yes, you can teach a goldfish to go through a maze, same as a rat (food motivated). Though not all of them learn as quickly as others.....

I wouldnt think so since it has a memory of like 3 seconds (somebody else said that on the thread)

The rat in the maze finds the cheese on its own, instead of putting the cheese in front of it and slowly moving it away... it learns from trial and error... somthing a goldfish cant do.

[Rikki]

I had a large golfish before which I chose to keep as a pet as i got attactheched, he remembered what he had to do for food (bang on the opening), he remembered where I fed him, He remembered the foods he did and did not like, he also remembered what I the net means...... I stongly believe they can remember things for much longer than 3 seconds.

[CORN_SNAKE91]

qwouldnt that be long term memory?

[Rikki]

I would say they have long term memory as many other animals.

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[philli]

Maybe there is nothing wrong with feeding live,but this video is just shot for thrills.I do feed live sometimes,but i don't video it and post it.These guys posted it so they could sit back and watch everyone argue over wether it's cruel or not.I think this video is shot by some young kids who think it's cool to watch an animal suffer.That is what i think is wrong with this video.Tgis is a great site,lets not fight over some immature kids who don't know any better.

[paulsreef]

What about those horrific beheadings in Iraq, and the horrors of 911. It appears that all lives have become cheap, animal and human. Someday maybe we'll also become desensitized, so we could sit back and enjoy watching someones pain and suffering.
Paul.

[RepTylE]

I haven't viewed the link and doubt that I will, the descriptions are bad enough. I think that people who do these kinds of things fall into the Geek factor sector of our hobby/ interest and are better left marginalized. It is insulting to have people exibiting such repugnant poor taste and don't doubt for a second that it reflects on the rest of us when the general public view disgraceful things.
It is hard enough to have any credibility in society without things like this going on. Better to denounce it.

[rwg]

I'll put in my two cents.

There is a HUGE difference between national geographic showing lions eating a live baby elephant and this video. One is observation of nature for the purposes of education. The filmakers are passive witnesses to the suffering of an animal in nature.

In this video, the filmakers have engineered a situation where an animal will suffer needlessly, which is bad enough, but then they film it and post it for the whole world to see in the name of entertainment. This is wrong on so many levels. These people are responsible not only for the fishies, but for the rat that is in their care. Clearly the rat must die...it's food after all, but why allow it to be tortured just because that sort of thing may occurr in nature? Pirahnas eat carrion in the wild. They will attack and eat live animals, but this is not as common as you might think.

So, call me a bleeding heart if you like, but I think it's morally sketchy at best to engineer a gruesome and painfull death for an animal in your care when a more humane method is available. I think it's just plain sick to film it for entertainment.

[bob2004]

Originally posted by Matt_K
While I find the fact that people felt the need to video tape this to be disturbing. I DONT find the fact that they fed their fish a live mouse at all disturbing.



I think we're all a bit morbid (def: having or showing an unusual
interest in sad or unpleasant things). The fact that there are so many views in spit of the title sick video-extremely graghic
proves my point.