Is this a good deal??

[Lioness]

on ebay..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1285&item=4349875682&rd=1

[Lioness]

or this..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1285&item=4349876052&rd=1

[meow_mix450]

in my opinion this one is better.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1285&item=4349876052&rd=1

The second deal you can probly get better, and im assuming your in the states lol. the first link where they give you the stuff is not that great, neither is the enclosure.

Meow

[peterm15]

as for price compared to stores.. ya there both good deals.. but you could build one thats alot better for a fraction of the cost... imo

[Lioness]

good points..
thanks

[peterm15]

what are you looking to house???

[meow_mix450]

50 bucks for that amazing enclosure why not? buliding one is just as good. But if you build one and you dont want it anymore you cant sell it. Unlike the really nice enclosures you can sell them if your not that intrested in the hobby. All depends

Meow

[peterm15]

i guess... but thats about the going rate for thoes ones anyways... 75 bucks( i think)... and with the aluminum thoes things are made of and the cheap plastic corners imo there not worth it.....

ive had to replace screens to many times for thoes types of corners... theyed be perfect for a smalle cham.. but there pretty flimsy and easily damaged.. you could build one that size for prob like 20 bucks and if you didnt want it anymore you could toss it.. you would prob get a $20 resale on thoes anyways..

and to top it all off its metal window screen which isnt recomended anyways.. the second one is definatly a better enclosure but still for a fraction of the cost a better one could be made...
meow_mix450... i do agree with you that it is a good deal... but its far from an amazing enclosure... nice portible and light weight but far from amazing.. id buy it... but not as perm. housing.. id use as suggested as a outdoor sunning enclosure

[meow_mix450]

good point, i personally have never had problems with aluminum or metal screens. Well not so far anyway. Ya i wasnt to sure about the cost in the U.S, maybe they could get a better deal up there who knows. But in Canada you cant really find soemthing like like for 40 bucks, but thats in U.S dollars. I bought something like that and paid around 200.00(in canada of course)?

Meow

[K1LOS]

Conversion rate isn't much these days. $40 us is only going to be like $50 cdn. I'm not a big fan of the reptarium cages, but i know lots of people use them. I think that second cage is too small for most chams. Smaller than what i would use.

I disagree you can't sell homemade cages, that all depends on how well you built them and how functional they are. I bet i wouldn't have any probs selling the cham cage that i built, that thing is sweet!

Geoff

[meow_mix450]

ya you have a good point. It all depends how well its made. The 2nd screen enclosure would be great for a 3 month old

Meow

[peterm15]

ya just a small cham... and all these started as home made enclosures anyways...

[meow_mix450]

i think adult chameleons has to have homemade enclosures, cause whats in the amrket really doesnt fit a adult cham

Meow

[Lioness]

well i dont have any chams right now..
but im interested in getting some within the next year. i just want to do research and have everything i need before i go out and by it. i was thinkin..maybe between a veiled and a panther..because i read on one of the posts that these are the best to start out with.

[meow_mix450]

go for panthers. My first chameleon was a panther and worked out great.

Meow

[peterm15]

panthers... commin from a veild owner get a panther...

[Lioness]

ok...i guess i'll narrow my research down to the panthers..
thanks guys!
btw..just curious..
WHY would u suggest a panther..lol

[meow_mix450]

Umm In my opinion they less agressive, and very pretty to look at. Veilds are just as great but i perfer blue over green:p

Meow

[Collide]

yes panthers are a good starter cham, although so are veilds. Veilds tend to be more aggressive as adults, but they are great as a starter cham because they will tollerate much more errors on your part. I would sugest a veild but panthers are still great. Its up to you really what ever u like. just my 2 cents

[peterm15]

well my cham doesnt tollerate anything.. and to top it off he escaped while i had the door open.. he had never done that before.. so i was stuck for like 20 min with a very pissed off cham sitting on top of his cage door with no way to get him back in.. so if you get something that is more likely to tolerate handleing youlln have a better and easier cham.. and females seem to be less aggressive..

[Collide]

what i mean is a veild cham will tollerate lower humidity, they can tolerate varieing temps, they are more hardy.

And who is to say that u will not get a aggressive panther. or a pleasent veild. I would not recomend females as your first cham just to much added reproductive stuff to add to the first time cham owning experience.

Yes veilds are more aggressive but chams are not good to be handeled anyway so thats just my thoughts...

[meow_mix450]

ya start off with a male, females need a lot of work at 6 months of age when they are able to produce eggs

Meow

[peterm15]

oh i kew exactly what you ment collide and i wasnt trying to contridict you... i was just meaning that mine doesnt tollerale handleing showers, me walking into my room... and as for male or female i do for thoes reasons suggest male but they will tend to be more aggressive..

when you look for a cham see if one likes to be handled... that way thay may tolerate handleing.. but the main thing is health..

[Lioness]

if they are aggressive..what do they do? do they whip or bite or what??
and i prolly would go with a male..cus i dont want to breed or anything..i want a pet.
and are they ok with living alone..or is it better to have them with a buddy? are two males ok together?
and i think i'll do my research before i decide for sure between panther or veiled.
thanks for u help everyone!

[meow_mix450]

males fight lol. Yes they might bite you, and they start hissing etc

Meow

[peterm15]

if you want a pet a chameleon might not be the best thing.. onle SOME are handleable but more often then not you should only handle them when you need to... i cant even go near mine..

theyll hiss and may bight but the main thing theyll do is puf up hgiss and change colour... when they get to ba a darker colour they get stressed out.. which in the end leads to a shorter lifespan....

chams are typically a display lizard and do require a fare bit of room to live hapily..

so if your looking for a pet a cham may not be the best choice...

im not trying to talk you outta things i just wanna make sure u understand what your getting into before you star building or buying...

[Lioness]

thanks peter..for looking out for me.
but its weird cus whenever i go to a petstore or rep.store they are so easy going..and dont mind being held too much.
but i definitely look into it more..although i dont mind giving privacy..thats no prob..every reptile needs it..(ive learned that first hand..lol)
thanks again for the help..i'll keep u posted on what i decide to do..although w/e i decide..it wont be for a while.