price range...

[peterm15]

id just like to know what the price range is for a rosy boa.... not because i cant afford one just curious... i saw a mexican rosy boa today for close to 450 bucks which i would guess is pretty steap...(pet shop).... so just if you can give me a general range on what is spent it would be apricated... thanks alot...

ps i do like them but dont plan on any for at least a few years... gotta make sure i can care for it properly

[VI Reptiles]

I saw a pair in a pet shop for $300.

[Removed_2815]

Seems steep for a Mexican locale. However, if someone will pay $450 for it then that is what it's worth. You can readily obtain CB neonate Mexican mutts for $100 CAD. There is no general price for Rosy boas as it all depends on selective breeding; colour/pattern mutations, locale specificity, etc.
For example, I keep 100% locale specific San Gabriel Mountains Rosy boas as well as Kofa Mountains Rosy boas. I take great pride in the rarity of these locale specific animals and the price will reflect this rarity (especially in Canada - as far as anyone can tell, the Kofas are the only Arizona locale North of the border). Neonates from these animals (San Gabriel and Kofa Mountains) can be anywhere from $250 to $300 CAD, and they're worth every penny!
Cheers,
Ryan

[Jeff_Favelle]

Don't bother with a pet store when over a dozen members here ACTUALLY BREED Rosy Boas and can sell you not only a superior specimen, but also follow up with proper advice and husbandry help. Why people would go to a pet store for that is beyond me.

[peterm15]

oh i wasnt planing on it... espically that one.. there selling a crestie (normal) for 275... so i figures it would be steep...

i dont plan on getting a snake yet but i got to hold it and they seem very nive.... when i can properly care for one i do plan on getting it from a breeder... there a better animal and you can get more help....

thans for the responses...

[Katt]

Originally posted by RMBolton
You can readily obtain CB neonate Mexican mutts for $100 CAD.


I expect this kind of attitude from others, especially larger boid keepers, but to get elitist about rosy boas? Too darn funny. They're just erycines and the nice thing about them is that most erycine keepers aren't uppidity about their animals.

Let's keep this low key attitude and avoid the bs that goes on with other boids.

[peterm15]

ok im sorry katt but i really dont understand your post... i feel like an idiot but i dont...

i would really like to understand what your saying so i can see your point properly...

[Katt]

I just don't see how an erycine lover can call any rosy a mutt. Mutt in the hobby is a word used to put down snakes, ie hybrids are mutts.

I understand what Ryan means by non-locale rosies, but there are non-locale greybands, but they're not called mutts, but generic greybands.

I felt that he was being puff chested by mentioning his pure and rare locale rosies and putting down generic rosies.

[peterm15]

oh ok i understand... thanks for clearing that up....

im mot really a snake lover a i dont have any yet but i see your point... by mutts i just thought he ment sub adult so that goes to show how much i know... lol...

either way i wouldnt take mutt as a bad thing... to me ( in my opinion) a mutt is just a snake that is not selective bread... which is fine with me...

[HumphreyBoagart]

A snake doesn't have to be selectivly bred to avoid being a mutt. What makes a mutt is breeding two different species together. It's the same as in dogs. If you take a german sheperd and a rotweiller, for example, and breed them together, you are going to have a litter of mutts. It's the exact same in snakes, take two different species of snakes and breed them together, and you've got yourself a litter of mutts. Which I might add, is VERY frowned upon in the herp world.

[HeatherRose]

What makes a mutt is breeding two different species together. It's the same as in dogs.

Aren't dogs all the same species?

[peterm15]

ya weve had a discussion like this before and im gonna stay outta this one seeing as im not educated enough to properly respond... it would all be opinion...

but my opinion is if it works it works... but once again its just my opinion..

[BoidKeeper]

They're just erycines and the nice thing about them is that most erycine keepers aren't uppidity about their animals.
I'm probably more concerned about the locals of my Rosy Boas then any of my other snakes.
My Mid-Bajas are Bay of La, then I have my South Baja and my Deserts. I would never cross any of them together.
If I crossed my Deserts with my Bay of La Mid-Baja I would call it a mutt too and I don't think it's elitist or uppidity at all. Just like I wouldn't breed my Russian Sand Boa with my Rough Scale or my Rough Scale with my Kenyans.
Cheers,
Trevor

[Removed_2815]

I should really check this forum more often; I hadn't realized my post had come into question.

Jeez, Katt, I really thought pretty highly of you... until now.

Knowing full-well that you're a hybrid-lover (which is fine, I don't judge you) I am not even going to begin to try and convince you that this debate is not about being elitist (as locale specificity is an even grayer area than the whole hybrid debate) - and I know it would be falling on deaf ears. Anyone who uses the word "mutt" is not elitist. Perhaps this says more about you than me, as you've assumed that I meant it in a negative way. I've used the word in the sense that the animal's pedigree is unknown; a mutt (as in dogs) is worth less money (which is the actual topic of this post isn't it?), I never said I didn't like 'em so don't get yer knickers in a knot.

All the big names in Erycines generally agree that the downfall of Rosy Boa popularity in the past was due to this mixing of locale lineages. I would drop names but that seems a little insecure in my convictions.

Katt, go back and read my post, I never said that my locale specific animal is better than a mutt, but it is worth more money (are you disagreeing?). I simply stated a factor that is significant in price determination, plain and simple - please don't psychoanalyse my words and accuse me of being a puff-chested elitist.
Thanks!

Kind regards,
Ryan

[BoidKeeper]

Personally Ryan I would rather pay you $250 ea or $300 each than pay someone else $100 because we share the same values and with you I know what I'd be getting. I'd be buying peice of mind as much as a Rosy Boa.
Cheers,
Trevor

[Removed_2815]

Originally posted by BoidKeeper
I'd be buying peice of mind as much as a Rosy Boa.

I completely agree with this statement. To me, one of the most interesting aspects of Rosy Boas is how there is so much variation between locales; they're an excellent example of the effect of physical genetic barriers, such as mountains, canyons, etc.
I purchased my animals from a well-known breeder who is dedicated to providing 100% locale specific animals, and that's important to me. My animals are CB from legally obtained WC stock (many generations ago) from specific mountain regions. Now that may not make them a better pet, or a better snake (and I never claimed them to be, Kattia), but it's important to myself and others, and I paid the extra money for that - it is piece of mind.
I will dedicate my Rosy Boa breeding efforts to maintaining this locale purity in my lines, and this pedigree is worth something if you ask me.
Ryan

[Katt]

Ryan, perhaps it is b/c I keep hybrids, that "mutt" conotates, "ugly, unwanted, grade B", that I get so offended, b/c I think all rosies regardless of locale or lineage are worthy.

and I know it would be falling on deaf ears

So I have made an assumption about your use of "mutt", which you have corrected, but now you have made an assumption that I am deaf to discussion? Elitism and the issue of hybrids are nothing a like and I am more than happy to debate hybrids. However, there is no debate, I did not like your use of mutt and took offense, and you have corrected my wrong assumption of your usage.

Jeez, Katt, I really thought pretty highly of you... until now.

Let me honest here, let me know if I should care. If you were perhaps someone I knew, then this would have meaning, but as it is, we are just screen names on some forum. If you are so easily swayed by just one post, one mistake, then it is quite fine by me that you think lowly of me, as you would not be fitting of my standards anyhow.

I do not understand this trend on ssnakess I'm seeing; where people disagree and immediately people retaliate with "I thought better of you." Well, aw shucks, whatever am I supposed to do to gain your respect back? >laugh<

In any case, my thoughts on you haven't changed.

I'm just sick and tired of the attitude I see, my snakes are better than others, my stock is better than yours, I know more people, blah blah blah. I saw this in your post, I was wrong, you corrected, long live rosies!

[BoidKeeper]

Ok, guys both of you maybe said things you shouldn't have. Neither of you every bicker on this site so why start now? Agree to disagree maybe and let's leave it at that and move on.
Cheers,
Trevor

[peterm15]

the point is there not even disagreeing.. lol... there just defending the coments they made.. wich all of which were just jumping to conclusions.. thats why this all eurupted... so in all reality you guys are argueing over nothging... as i see it... so just live and let live..

[Removed_2815]

Far be it for me to not carry on a discussion...

Originally posted by Katt
Ryan, perhaps it is b/c I keep hybrids, that "mutt" conotates, "ugly, unwanted, grade B", that I get so offended, b/c I think all rosies regardless of locale or lineage are worthy.
Again, I made no mention of the worthiness of any Rosy Boa, this sure is one big silly thread.
You don't like the word mutt because hybrid-haters use it to describe your animals. We're not talking about your animals, and the word mutt is not exclusively used for hybrids. I don't think of it as a negative word, just an easier way of saying "a Rosy Boa resulting from various interbreedings, especially a cross between different breeds, groups, or varieties." The original poster simply wanted to know about the price of some snakes, I only mentioned it as a major influence on Rosy Boa price because it is the single-most important factor that dictates the price of these animals (aside from genetic mutations), have a look on the KS classifieds.

Originally posted by Katt
So I have made an assumption about your use of "mutt", which you have corrected, but now you have made an assumption that I am deaf to discussion?
I never said you were specifically deaf to discussion. I said that I wasn’t going to try and convince you that this is not about being elitist, as you seem to have already made up your mind.

Originally posted by Katt
Let me honest here, let me know if I should care. If you were perhaps someone I knew, then this would have meaning, but as it is, we are just screen names on some forum. If you are so easily swayed by just one post, one mistake, then it is quite fine by me that you think lowly of me, as you would not be fitting of my standards anyhow.
It wasn't a threat, I couldn't care less. I used to admire your sensibility (as an ethereal being in cyber-space) and reason, then you turn around and start spewing out words like uppity, puff-chested, elitist in response to a post that you misunderstood. I don't expect you to care either, so don't worry.

Originally posted by Katt
I do not understand this trend on ssnakess I'm seeing; where people disagree and immediately people retaliate with "I thought better of you." Well, aw shucks, whatever am I supposed to do to gain your respect back? >laugh<
Why must you continue to pigeon-hole me and lump me in with this "trend on ssnakess" that you're seeing? What are we disagreeing on? We didn't disagree, you read something wrong and then posted an unjust reply. That's where my opinion of you comes from, not because of a disagreement...
You don't need my respect, you'll do just fine without it >laugh<

Originally posted by Katt
I'm just sick and tired of the attitude I see, my snakes are better than others, my stock is better than yours, I know more people, blah blah blah. I saw this in your post, I was wrong, you corrected, long live rosies!
Hey I don't like all the attitude and BS either, I really dislike those people, and you've accused me as being one of those people - perhaps that's why I'm a little pissed.
This all started with your bias towards "mutt" as only having a negative connotation, this whole thing exists entirely in your head. I used the word "mutt" in a literal sense, granted it's usually only applied to dogs but I think everyone else understood that I merely meant an animal with unknown genetics and that said animal is worth less money in the market.

What more is there to say?

Regards,
Ryan

*edited for a typo

[ydnic]

I like hybrids..... and thats okay!

:) :) :)

[Removed_2815]

Originally posted by ydnic
I like hybrids..... and thats okay!

It most certainly is :)
Ryan

[Katt]

Hey I don't like all the attitude and BS either, I really dislike those people, and you've accused me as being one of those people - perhaps that's why I'm a little pissed.

That's why I was surprised to see it from you.

But my mistake, I can admit to it. Jumping to conclusions always causes rife.

As for not bickering online, oh I must certainly do! I just haven't in a while, been too busy :)

No harm anyways Ryan, I am more glad to know you're not uppidty about your locale rosies, than losing my sensibility. I never thought I had any to be honest! >laugh< Thanks for the sideways compliment!

[Removed_2815]

Originally posted by Katt
As for not bickering online, oh I must certainly do!
Me too, I guess Trevor hasn't been following us close enough ;) Ruffling feathers brings out the true nature in people, which usually makes for a more interesting discussion. If nothing else, I realize now I may have to be more careful with the word "mutt." Perhaps "mongrel" is better - means the same thing really.

Originally posted by Katt
No harm anyways Ryan, I am more glad to know you're not uppidty about your locale rosies, than losing my sensibility.
This is the Katt that I've grown to respect. I suppose my original comment came off as being an attempt at making this more personal than it needed to be, but I've known of you since all the way back to the ksnake days and I honestly was surprised from your reply. But I realize it was a simple misunderstanding and I agree, no harm done.

Take care,
Ryan

[tdherper]

tear falls from eye.....;)

[Katt]

Someone please hold me....

>sniff sniff<

so beautiful.....

>laugh< this is how it's done guys! It's totally possible to jump down someone's throat, make ammends and still respect each other.