Out with the old in with the new!

[VI Reptiles]

OK, Im starting to think my bp is a lost cause because he is not looking any better so without any thought I am going to give my snake to clownfishie so he can get him back to health. Much of a less chance of dying there then where I am. Hard for me to get to a reptile vet. But, I will be getting another one that is cb not wc and give it proper husbandry. I will keep it in a rubbermaid with a UTH, 2 hides and a water bowl. For all I know I might not buy a bp though. If I dont I will make sure I do the research :)


Thanks for all the help

[mykee]

Please don't buy another ball. Doesn't having to GIVE your first one away give you any indication that maybe you weren't cut out to own pets? Good luck with your paintball, that seems like a GREAT hobby.

[CamHanna]

Well, I'm inclined to side with that wise old chap above me.

However, I've probably killed my share of goldfish, as I'm sure alot of responsible people have. I guess the important thing is to learn from your mistakes. What have you learned? Not 'what have members tried to beat into your thick skull?', but what have you actually gone off-site and taken the initiative to learn for yourself. An FAQ and a couple caresheets won’t cut it.

I'm sure you won't keep the second snake on cold, wet newsprint but there's a lot more to keeping a python healthy than that. With the mountains of information out there about ball python husbandry there is no excuse to make such drastic mistakes as you did. If you don't make a point of absorbing that information (I know you said you will) then there is no point in risking another mishap, especially such an unforgivable and abusive one.

[malaysianbloods]

Also just because you say you are going to buy a CB ball python next time does not mean that there will be no problems there is just less of a chance of there being problems. So if you do decide to get another ball python please be willing to take it to the vet if needed and like camhanna said make sure you learn from your mistakes.

[Mark]

why not try an easier snake such as a corn snake or just stick with your geckos.

[JonD]

Instead of a ball python, just get one of these. Husbandry is way easier....Snakes (http://www.thebigzoo.com/store/Toys/Rough-scaled_Snake.asp) ;)

[Darren179]

Well instead of trying to turn you away from the hobby im going to take the opposite side and try to help with some links that may help you improve in your keeping. I do agree however a little research could be used so here are some sites to check out.
http://www.newenglandreptile.com/CareBall.html
http://ballpython.com/page.php?topic=ballbasics
you can also try a google search, but make sure to look at alot of sites to get an overall prospective because everyone has different views on how to keep their snake. You could also purchase a book there are alot of good ones out there. Furthermore I think it would be a good idea to setup your rubbermaid well in advance and of making your next purchase/

[Manitoban Herps]

Get another ball python, learn from your mistakes but REASEARCH! And get a CBB python, it's worth the money.

Good luck.

[Vengeance]

Being one of the people that was beating facts into your head and then your parents head and then you just giving up on the animal I have to agree with Mykee, don't get another python. If you weren’t willing to put the time effort and money into your first python then it is much more likely you won't be willing to put the time effort and money into your second either. Giving up and saying your going to try again with the same animal doesn't fly with me, but I am glad you gave the animal to someone who will care for it, maybe now it will be given the care it needs.

[pinoiballer01]

the title of this thread is funny. out with the old in with the new. it seems like hes just changing sneakers that he can easily purchase when its worn out. just seems funny to me.. no pun intended

[Vengeance]

I actually found the title slightly disturbing because that is exactly how it sounds. Going gets tough, get a new one, it's just a "snake" right?

*shakes head*

[JonD]

Originally posted by Darren179
Well instead of trying to turn you away from the hobby im going to take the opposite side and try to help with some links that may help you improve in your keeping. I do agree however a little research could be used so here are some sites to check out.
http://www.newenglandreptile.com/CareBall.html
http://ballpython.com/page.php?topic=ballbasics
you can also try a google search, but make sure to look at alot of sites to get an overall prospective because everyone has different views on how to keep their snake. You could also purchase a book there are alot of good ones out there. Furthermore I think it would be a good idea to setup your rubbermaid well in advance and of making your next purchase/
There was plenty of info avail to help with his first one. Plenty of members offered advice on proper care, nothing was done. Sometimes it's better to lead the horse away from water and shoot it.:D

[HeatherRose]

to clownfishie so he can

Clownfishie's a she ;) (Now I've exposed you Jen!)

My left eye couldn't help but twitch just a little when I saw the title of this thread...I had honestly hoped that you would prove everyone wrong, stick with it and get your python better...although not too long ago I was your age and a couple hundred bucks is a LOT. And I will admit, my parents have helped me out with vet bills before. So, I'm not going be all 'take it to the vet' on you...

But this isn't an age thing, it's a responsibility thing. Not everyone knows the difference between WC and CB when they buy their first snake, but a wee bit of googling would have proved informative on the matter. Proper husbandry information would have been available then as well.

What if the next ball gets sick too? CB animals can have problems as well, and they still get sick, as malaysianbloods mentioned above.

The whole 'throwing a snake away' (although I know it would be in great hands with Jen) is going to be intensely frowned upon on the forums here, as animals are simply JUST not something you can 'throw away'. When you choose a hobby (or it chooses you) that involves living breathing things, a fair bit of responsibilty is in order, is it not? Proper husbandry and vet care were your responsibility when you took on the snake.

Your snake is probably not a 'lost cause' either...why not wait at least a FEW more weeks, try everything, ask more questions and see if you can save him? Do you NEED another ball python RIGHT now?

Good luck...I hope.

[pinoiballer01]

seriously speaking, the first bp i purchased is a wild caught. he hasnt eaten since i got him last october. a lot of people in the forum said not to be worried cause its the time of the year that they dont eat. i didnt stress to much. after a month of owning the wild caught i bought another bp which is a captive bred. she eats for me and no problem. after a few weeks of having them. both of them shed in pieces. i tried everything spend a lot of money just to improve my husbandry. last christmas i got worried because my male wc bp poops. its liquid so i took it to the vet. a few hundred dollars more hes treated for worms and external parasites. by the way i forgot to mention that he has ticks. now my male bp still hasnt eaten but hes active and happy. to make the story short, i purchased a bp for $ 40 usd and spend almost $500 on vet bills and to better the snakes husbandry. at one point i told myself to just throw away the snake and get a new one but i didnt do it cause i got attached with my pet snake. now my bp shed last week and its in one piece. thank goodness and my female eats like a champ. im still waiting for my male to eat. just sharing my story.

[VI Reptiles]

Guess, what, my parents haven payed nil, zip, zero dollars! Im getting stressed because Im scared that its going to die. I cant take the snake to the vet, its too cold. You guys say bps are easy and for me its been a pain in the arse. Geese, You guys think there just this easy because you have kept them longer, had better experiences, can drive and everything I havent done. I would taken my snake to the vet but as I said above that I cannot drive and my mom works as well as my dad! Tell me what the heck am I going to do! I cant walk because Its too cold out.....

[BoidKeeper]

Balls aren't easy. You want easy get a pet rock.
Cheers,
Trevor

[VI Reptiles]

Ya, I already have a couple pet rocks....... they are actually breeding....

[Vengeance]

We think it's easy because we took the time to research what we were getting into and make sure we had everything ready even before we had the animal. My First Ball python was no walk in the park either. He had mites and wasn't the greatest feeder, but I made sure before I even got him that I had everything setup, I did a month or 2 of research on Ball pythons before he even came home. My major mistake was the same as yours, buying from a store instead of a local breeder. But I did the same thing you did, came on here looked for answers and had allot of knowledgeable people answer my questions, difference is I listened. You however have not, had you taken the advice of everyone here your Ball python wouldn't need a weekly trip to the vet. Also just taking your Ball to the Vet doesn't solve all the problems, I'll bet you still don't have a digital thermometer or a rheostat/dimmer hooked up to your heat source. I know I have asked that question of you every time you have come here looking for answers and you have yet to give me straight answer. What I'm saying may seem harsh but I'm sorry, to me you haven't demonstrated anything that says you are up to the task of taking care of a ball python.

[VI Reptiles]

Vengeance, Thats fine with me, I probably wont get another bp, I did the research first of all........ My mom and dad never wanted to let me buy all this stuff I needed and told me what I have is proper. I always knew it wasnt though but they didnt want to listen........

[Vengeance]

Such is life.......

Get a little older, a little wiser, move out and try again when you have the capacity to dictate the care of your animal.

[HeatherRose]

Geese, You guys think there just this easy because you have kept them longer, had better experiences, can drive and everything I havent done.

I have only just received my G1 (learner's permit) and have never driven a car. I have had to rely on my parents and the city bus to get to the vet. I've still gotten to the vet.

And I assure you, many of the people in the ball python forum have spent hundreds, if not thousands on veterinary bills and have has far worse experiences than yours.

Also, I could say that everyone with crested geckos is full of crap for saying that they're easy pets, as I had many problems with the first one I ever bought (as my first herp) and it resulted in some vet bills and needed extra care (and, because of that, he is STILL with me), but it's just not true...

I did the research first of all........

If you did the research, then wouldn't you have been able to have gotten a CB ball in the first place, along with providing proper husbandry? And what if the next ball, albeit CB, becomes ill?

I'm not jumping on you, I don't feel like it...I just think those questions warrant an answer.

[BornboreD]

As far as your parents saying you had all the proper stuff...........What do they know?? They probably think that if a "Oet Store Guy" said it, than it must be true. Also, wasn't your father on here looking for advice as well a few times?? He didn't listen either (or care) I suppose...........

[honduranfreekk]

VI Reptiles I am not trying to be rude trust me.If it is such a pain in the ARSE as you have said then I agrea it would be MUCH better off with Jen.
Before you decide to buy another Herp just pick up a book on what it is you are looking for and do your home work on THAT reptile before you dive into it.
Do not let this one downfall keep you from what you like BUT do get ALL the info you can on the species you want to keep BEFORE you decide to purchase another one.
Like I said I am in NO way slaming you or trying to be rude.

Just my 2 cents;)

Kelvin@Brigitte

[CHRISANDBOIDS14]

Lol.....hes already been looking for rosy boas and kenyans, and leopards, to make money for his "paintballing"!

VI......your parents havent paid zip? You paid the gas for the trip to the vet?

Look at my signature. Im 14 years old, some of my snakes are breeding. Just got my Learners too(well, 9 months ago), I got my first herp when I was 10. Had problems with that and took it to the vet. I've paid over $300 in vet bills, and about half of that was for animals that WERENT EVEN SICK! Yeah, I have a friend that is older and can drive that has partnered up with me, but that was only a few months ago.

Originally posted by VI Reptiles
Vengeance, Thats fine with me, I probably wont get another bp, I did the research first of all........ My mom and dad never wanted to let me buy all this stuff I needed and told me what I have is proper. I always knew it wasnt though but they didnt want to listen........

Blame it on the parents.......

Yeah, rocks are nice. And guess what if they are breaking on you you actually can just throw those ones out and get a new one. I sell CB rocks for $20ea.

Cant take your snake the vet cause its too cold? Its called putting him in a warm container with heat packs.......if you parents cant take you, take a taxi. Also, do realize that if you get any more herps and end up selling them, im sure the majority of members would be reluctant to buy from you because of what you have demonstrated to us.

Go paintballing. Dont forget to bundle up.

C.

[VI Reptiles]

Chris - Ok, ur 14. IM IN BC THOUGH!!!!!! BC DOES NOT LET 14 YEAR OLDS DRIVE!!!!!!!! probably one of the reasons we moved away from alberta.... Wow, you took yours to the vet, well done! I took mine too. I guess you got a job as well and millionaire parents! I might just keep the snake and take it to the vet and get it back to health. I dont have a friend thats older then me so thats one choice gone. Well, it is because of my parents....... They didnt want to believe me and now they believe me and im going tommowrow to set this bp set up straight as well as take it to the reptile vet. I would have last week but I got snowed in....Where am I going to get a heatpack? The reptile heatpacks for shipping arent sold at petstores you know? WOW!!!!!!! the members of this site????? theres I think 100 at the most........ wow alot of buyers in there...... Theres more then just these people here that are interested in reptiles. Besides... I can sell them to petstores or people on the island and theres more then 1 reptile forum and classifieds....

Paintballing isnt a hobby, its a sport so I think I will stick with reptiles and paintballing.

thanks

[Tyler99]

Dont get mad and stuff. Just take a break from snakes, read up as much as you can, get the home READY, go to a reptile show or order from a breeder.

[HeatherRose]

Where am I going to get a heatpack? The reptile heatpacks for shipping arent sold at petstores you know? WOW!!!!!!! the members of this site????? theres I think 100 at the most........ wow alot of buyers in there...... Theres more then just these people here that are interested in reptiles. Besides... I can sell them to petstores or people on the island and theres more then 1 reptile forum and classifieds....

People on any forum would frown on this situation...you got yourself (an an innocent creature) into this sitation, so its up to you to fix it. If you didn't think you could handle it, you shouldn't have gotten into it...

You don't need a heat pack, you just need a pre-warmed up and toasty car :)

[JAdkins2451]

I think you should get a prize for being the 101 person:rolleyes:Your not making anyfriends by what your saying.If you dont like the fourms try to find one thats better. At least Ill give props to clownfish for taking it, or it would probley end up at a rescue.. Ok so you cant get reptile heat packs you can get other types from sports stores they may not stay warm as long but it would work.. I dont know how old you are but you are really acting inmature about all this. You have to relize this is a herp site and people take this serious. And the way you come off sounds like you dont care....

[CamHanna]

Warm water in a bottle works as well as a heat pack. Just be sure that your water's not too hot and that you have enough volume to stay warm for the whole trip.

Insulation (ie. a cooler) is a good idea too. Make sure that you don't cook the poor critter though, shouldn't be a problem if you monitor the temperature with your digital thermometer.

Good Luck

Cam

[Vengeance]

This is the thing I find most funny.

Taking your snake to the vet WILL NOT fix your problems if your husbandry is wrong. Just because you go to the vet and have spent $300 on a vet does not mean that everything will be fine now. Your husbandry is WAY OFF, you don't have the right hummdity, you have no idea what your temps are and you have heat lamps and UTH with no dimmer/rheostat on them. So when you get frustrated with why your snake isn't getting better even with all the vet trips, take a look at yourself. Now I know your going to blame the parents, that they don't help and they won't let you setup properly. Then hurry up and get that Ball to ClownFish, if I lived anywhere remotley close to BC I'd take it off your hands. But don't get anymore, your not ready, you don't have the equipment, you don't have the money and you don't have the drive to care for another snake properly.

[marisa]

Everyone's posts are right on target. But there is one problem.

You seem to say because your parents wouldn't help you, you cannot do anything else. So why purchase ANYTHING or get into ANY hobby that you will have to rely on your parents to help you with? There is no shame in not being old enough to be into to certain things because your parents won't help. It's called "I have to wait until I'm older"

It's not a bad thing. It's the truth. If your parents won't financially help with something but you NEED financial and transportation help, why go ahead with it? It sucks but thats life.

Marisa
P.S. Clownfishie will take good care of your snake. In fact, she is a very nice person so I bet if you set something up with her, she would even be willing to help you get the snake back in a year or two when you are fully ready.

[VI Reptiles]

Heather - pre warmed and toasty car? If you noticed I dont have a liscence. City bus? I dont live in a city, I live in booneys......

Jadkins - Friends huh? Is this a necessity on this forum?

Marisa - The thing is I havent had any trouble keeping anything else but this bp. The first thing I should have done was use a rubbermaid container and buy a book. If im going to buy anything Im going to buy a cornsnake or something much easier with less humidity.
Yes, I know. I dont know her as a friend but as somone who has talked to me and she sounds nice. She will get the snake definatley. I dont know if she would let me have the snake back in a year or 2 though.....


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[HeatherRose]

Heather - pre warmed and toasty car? If you noticed I dont have a liscence. City bus? I dont live in a city, I live in booneys......


This only works if someone else can drive you.

[marisa]

But that doesn't mean you can get another snake. ALL animals eventually NEED vet care. Period. ALL animals take MONEY to keep. Period.

Again, not against you or attacking you, but this is a fact! If you do not have the money for vet care, or a car, you simply cannot keep buying animals. That's irresponsible. Now, if your parents agree to help you financially if a future snake gets sick, thats another thing. But if they tell you beforehand no, you are simply being selfish and making the animal put up with a lack of care, knowing your parents won't help.

Animals are NOT cheap and all need vet care at some point.

Marisa

[VI Reptiles]

Did you see the key word? I said "IF" Im going to get anything its going to be a cornsnake.


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[malaysianbloods]

Like marisa said unless you know 100% that you have a way to get your snake to the vet if needed, Please don't buy another one and let it suffer like your last snake.

[VI Reptiles]

I will make sure that I do.


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[CamHanna]

Orinally posted by malaysianbloods
Please don't buy another one and let it suffer like your last snake.

Orinally posted by VI Reptiles
I will make sure that I do.

It's not funny, but I hope it's meant to be; that or I misunderstand.

[VI Reptiles]

Camhanna - i was replying to malaysianbloods about being able to get to the vet.

Geese...

[Tyler99]

I donno, But I feel like this situation is going to turn into one like Rikki.... Just please, please, PLEASE try and get everything right. Yes its true For my bd I got 300$$ Then I went to a reptiles show months later, was ready and prepared for a snake, and I spent ALL my money up!!! And thats proabably going to happen again feburary 26 (theres a reptile show).

[CamHanna]

Fair enough VI. Sorry 'bout that.

[VI Reptiles]

Ok, Actually as I look at my snake he/she looks better then before christmas. Im thinking that I should keep it and see how it goes. Im also bringing it to the reptile vet today and see what he sais. My mom said she would help me because I told her what the snake means to me and how I want it to live. She now understands and Im getting a rubbermaid container. I have a couple questions though.

Will the Heatmat melt the rubbermaid?
What should I use as a hide?
How big of a rubbermaid?
How many hides?

Thanks

[marisa]

Yes it will melt it if you do not purchase something to control the heat. There are many reptile thermastats available that cost 30 bucks even. You MUST control the heat.

I would use a hide thats JUST big enough for the snake to SQEEZE into...

Rubbermaid size depends on your snake size...if its two feet or less, shoebox size.

One hidue is sufficent but two is fine as well if you can fit them. I use one on the hot side like the photo I showed you before.

Either keep the snake and care for it properly or don't. But stop flipping and flopping. It's not a plastic toy, its a life.

Marisa

[CamHanna]

If it's hot enough to melt the rubbermaid then I hate to think what it'd do to the snake. A hide can be made from anything you want it to be. The size of the rubbermaid depends on the size of the snake. One hide in the cool end and one in the warm end is good.

This is all caresheet stuff. If you actually take the time to research this stuff for your self then you shouldn't have any problems. If not then you will.

Edit: Marisa beat me but I don't care :p

[VI Reptiles]

Ok, well my snake is 3ft so I guess something bigger then a shoe box. Its easier if somone can tell me the dimensions of a good size rubbermaid. Well, I will find a thermastat for it then. I will look for a small hide from the petshop. I will do it the same way as the photo showed me.

Camhanna - You cannot find an answer to my first question or my 3rd question because they dont tell you dimensions. They might on one or 2 but I havent seen them on ones I have looked on.

Thanks

[marisa]

You don't need to waste money on hides from the pet store.

Go to a dollar store, or use cardboard. Cardboard has to be changed though as it can mold, but this means a very clean hide especially if a snake has a medical issue.

Marisa

[JAdkins2451]

Originally posted by VI Reptiles
Heather - pre warmed and toasty car? If you noticed I dont have a liscence. City bus? I dont live in a city, I live in booneys......

Jadkins - Friends huh? Is this a necessity on this forum?



Well a necessity no!! If you ever want good advice or any at all then you would like to have people on your side..Really its up to you and I could care ;ess if people like you or not..

[VI Reptiles]

I will use cardboard then.


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[morph]

VI go to superstore in Duncan and by a rubbermaid model#2223 it is 41.6 litres put in newspaper substrate a water dish and a couple of cereal boxes or little cardboard boxes or flower pots whatever just something to hide in. ther is also a rubbermaid that is the same footprint as that moderl but half the height that would work finee just not sure if they have any in stock.

good luck

[CHRISANDBOIDS14]

Ok, ur 14. IM IN BC THOUGH!!!!!! BC DOES NOT LET 14 YEAR OLDS DRIVE!!!!!!!!

Sorry I guess I was unclear about that, but a LEARNERS does not let me drive unless one of my parents is sitting right beside me in the vehicle. I cant legally drive alone till im 16.

I guess you got a job as well and millionaire parents!

Yeah right.......I dont have a job, and I dont think I would be working when I was 10-13 either. You dont need to have millionair parents either.

I dont have a friend thats older then me so thats one choice gone.

Yeah but like I said that was only a few months ago. I've had several herps before now(I had twice as much before as I do now). Since we have partnered up nothing has had to go to the vet either.

Where am I going to get a heatpack?

As mentioned before, heated water in a water bottle(dont start saying you got no electricity now). And walmart or a sports/drugstore im sure would sell them. Heat up a brick(or rock) on your stove, wrap it in a towel and put it in the bottom of a cooler. cover the whole bottom and towel wrapped brick/rock with another towel, put the snake in. Simple buddy.

The reptile heatpacks for shipping arent sold at petstores you know?

Never said they were. Sorry I dont go to petstores.

the members of this site????? theres I think 100 at the most........ wow alot of buyers in there......

Try just short of 7000.

rocks are nice
Like I said.

Paintballing isnt a hobby, its a sport so I think I will stick with reptiles and paintballing.

Whats the difference, your treating this like its a sport. Just toss it right?

Also, your asking for answers from us just like that. Your saying you did reasearch, then you should know how big a rubbermaid should be. You should know the answers to all the questions you are asking. IMO, you didnt do much research.

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Sorry If im coming off like a jerk. I was unclear, but you just freak out, come up with defences that just dont fit, and arent gathering the facts about what people are saying. Good luck.

C.

[CHRISANDBOIDS14]

O yeah, over the course of all the threads you have posted, I have seen other threads in this forum with questions and answers to the majority of your questions. Just go back through all the threads in this forum in the last two months and you wont have to bother getting in aguements with members. HTH.

C.

[Manitoban Herps]

Instead of making him feel worse about his python why don't we just pound his head with information :D

Get a rubbermaid container with a locking lid. Then put in paper towel as substrate, a soaking waterdish, 2 hides. Keep the cage around 85. Offer small rats/big mice to the baby every 5 days.

Then buy a CBB baby ball python when your ready. good luck :)

[marisa]

Kevin your information was totally misleading as well.

85? 85 where? The cool side? The hot side?

80 cool side...90 hot spot.

Marisa

[Manitoban Herps]

Whoops..forgot to add somethings :D 75 on the cool isde, and 85-90 on the warm side. Lets hope he hasn't read the orginal post yet ;)

Thanks Marisa :)

[Manitoban Herps]

Originally posted by marisa
Kevin your information was totally misleading as well. Marisa

It's a start...

[marisa]

85 is NOT a hot enough hot spot in my minor Ball Python experience. But whatever.

90+ For mine.

Marisa

[Manitoban Herps]

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49236

There ya go :)

[Manitoban Herps]

Originally posted by marisa
85 is NOT a hot enough hot spot in my minor Ball Python experience. But whatever.

90+ For mine.

Marisa

You seem a bit angry? Any ways, I have mine around 75-90...

[honduranfreekk]

I keep all my balls haha at 83 to 85 cool side and 93 to 95 hot spot and it works great for me.
One hide on the cool end and another on the hot end;)

Oh and yes water on the cool end:)

Kelvin@Brigitte

[Jeff_Favelle]

85F is NOT warm enough for a warm side, and 75F is too cool for a cool side. 80F cool end, 90-92F warm end.

[marisa]

Angry. LMAO

I just don't understand why you would start him off wrong. That link YOU provided says 90+ hot spot. lol!

In any case, have a 90+ hot spot VI because your ball needs that temp AND it's not in the best of health currently.

Marisa

[Manitoban Herps]

LOL!

Anyways there's the info :D

LOL

[VI Reptiles]

Ok, I went to the vet and just got back. Snowing like crazy up here, anyways. The reptile vet told me that the scale rot doesnt look to active and If I keep doing what Im doing he should be better in a month :D He also said he is 99.9% healthy! Ok, The temps are perfect 90-95 and cool side 80-85. Im ok with temps. Humidity is what I am having trouble with. Now, I asked him about rubbermaids and he said that I shouldnt try and get the humidity up right now because I guess humidity is bad for the scale rot and It might get it more active meaning it will spread and it will stay. He says that there is a VERY low chance of my snake dying which I am happy for. When the scale rot is gone I will get a rubbermaid and set it up properly. My snake also ate an adult mouse 2 days ago which I would have fed more but he regurged about 1 month an a half ago. But I will get him to 2 adult mice next week and for a couple weeks. The vet also said that I should not feed rats because it is better to feed alot of smaller prey than 1 large prey. I dont know what to really say though.


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[Manitoban Herps]

Awesome!

Glad to hear it!

[malaysianbloods]

Personally if your ball is willing to take rats then give him rats and you don't have to give him one large rat because can get rats that are the same size as mice.

[VI Reptiles]

I can only buy large Frozen Rats, no smaller unless they are mice.


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[CHRISANDBOIDS14]

Mice and Things, Canadian Mouseman, Mice for you,

They all have rats. Google search the name and the site will come up. As long as the rat isnt larger than 1.5-2 times the snake's girth it shouldnt regurge. I know you dont need to order more than a few rats, but just get 5 or 10, shouldnt cost much. If you really cant get the rats just buy like...20-25 frozen mice. Also, why wait till the scale rot is gone to get the rubbermaid? Are you saying that if you get the rubbermaid it will be too humid in there? Cause with proper ventilation It shouldnt be.

C.

[VI Reptiles]

The reptile vet said that it could cause it to spread.


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[CHRISANDBOIDS14]

?????

Omg. It will not spread if you dont put the humidity up, lol.

To quote myself:
Are you saying that if you get the rubbermaid it will be too humid in there? Cause with proper ventilation It shouldnt be.


Maybe you didnt bother reading that. If you need clarrification dont be afraid to ask just be clear and read the answer.

C.

[VI Reptiles]

Sorry, I mis read, I will get a rubbermaid maybe today or tommowrow.


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[jglass38]

After reading this thread and realizing that those minutes will be lost forever, I can help but wonder, maybe there should be a minimum age for purchasing a reptile (or possibly any pet). I see this happening all over the place. It isnt fair to the animals. I am glad VI did the responsible thing and got the snake to the vet, but it took a lot to get that to happen.

Jamie

[VI Reptiles]

Its because I took the time to bug my parents to drive me up to nanaimo:D. It took 1 hour there and back Usually takes 2 hours there and back but the roads were clear. Im glad I heard it from a reptile vet though! he reccomended I use hibitane and clean his infected scales before I use polysporin, I guess to clean a bit. His scales that are infected arent as moist as they were before so I guess the dryness is also helping!


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[zero&stich]

After skimming and reading some areas, VI, I feel you should take a break from herps, least aquiring anymore.

I know this has been brought up and passed but I'll bring it forward again. You say VI you did research? You barely scratched the surface.

I remember like in fifth grade I was very much interested in herps and moreso snakes. I rented every book and read every book from cover to cover they had, even though family wouldn't allow me to own a herp. As much as I wanted one, I satisfied my curitosity and kept educating myself.

When I got into BPs much later in time I spent, no joke, 2 months readin on them. I now have 4 or so books on BP and 3 others on accounts all species and their native habitats.

In my spare time, I read caresheets, talk to local breeders and hobbyists.

That is what REAL research is all about. Doin everything you possiably can to learn and educate yourself with every aspect.

In the animals defense I believe it to be a wize idea to give the animal up to someone who can care for it properally.

This will be my last post towards you VI as I feel after reading all your post in the past, you are not worth waisting anymore of my breath. Take my advice and the others and heed with purchasing another animal until, like I said hundreds if times, 'til you have a FIRM grasp on husbantry which you clearly do not.

Kind Regards,
Jess

[VI Reptiles]

When I was 10 I started liking snakes..... When I started liking snakes I started looking up care sheets. When I looked at as many as I could I told my mom I was ready and she went out and bought one for my b-day. Ok. First, I read care sheets when my parents were yelling at me to get off the comp. I talked to Don Patterson before I got a bp so you know and he told me answers to some of my questions. I still call him (but not to much) for answers on what he thinks of something being easy to keep etc. Ok, I guess you didnt read that the part where the vet told me he is %99.9 healthy and that the infection should go away in 3-4 weeks after 8 more injections of baytril. I did not get to go out so I will ask my parents to pick up a rubbermaid, heatpad, book and dimmer switch. Of course I will owe my dad $140 (with yesterdays reptile vet check up) but thats no problem. Just no $20 a week for 3 1/4 months. Which is fine with me as long as my bp gets better. The vet also said that he thinks my bp is a female but he never sexed it so he cant be sure.


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[CamHanna]

you are not worth waisting anymore of my breath.
:confused:I hope typing doesn't strain your cardiopulmonary system too much.:)

VI, have you asked your vet about administering the Baytril orally? Baytril's not a pleasant injection and I believe it works just as well if ingested.

[mykee]

"The vet also said that I should not feed rats because it is better to feed alot of smaller prey than 1 large prey."

I'm not sure as to what type of formal education your "reptile vet" has, but I think that after even a day in class, he would know that rats don't just come in one size. Wow. Sad really. That's EXACTLY why I treat my snakes at home and only go to the vet for meds.

[CHRISANDBOIDS14]

Jamie:

So one person has a problem with a snake, everyone of a certain age should not be allowed to keep reptiles? Im 14 too, all my reptiles are in good health, except for some scars on one of my bloods from the previous owner. I got my first snake when I was 10, a rat snake. Did great with it, one day I noticed a respiratory then mouth rot. I told the vet my cage conditions, he said they were great. I never knew how she got it, but hat was really the only problem I had that started while it was in my care. The rest of them were from making a bad choice buying an unhealthy animal when I didnt know better. They all did get healthy though. I know of many people under 18 that keep their reptiles very well.

VI, maybe I missed it but I dont see where you said:
Ok, I guess you didnt read that the part where the vet told me he is %99.9 healthy and that the infection should go away in 3-4 weeks after 8 more injections of baytril.

If you could point that out. Thanks.
Also, glad to hear you are getting the rubbermaid.

C.

[malaysianbloods]

I'm also young (16) and do not think that there should be an age limit on owning animals. I own 6 leopard geckos and 8 snakes and all are in perfect health except for the scar on one snake that was from the previous owner(as chris said). Although I do feel that if a parent is going to let thier child own a pet let alone buy it, they should be willing to help thier child out if he/she can not take care of the animal properly or afford it. So I feel that if a parent thinks that thier chiuld is responsible enough to look after and they turn out to be wrong, then they should be willing to do it for thier child.

[BoidKeeper]

So I see yet another newbie has been banned. Why was this one banned? I didn't see anything rude. He liked to pass out other peoples advice but I'm sure that's not it. Anyone know why he got the boot? How can we help these people if they keep getting banned? Maybe they deserve it but won't someone please think of the snakes!!!!!lol
Cheers,
Trevor

[Vengeance]

He got banned because of that how often do you handle your snake thread. Can't seem to find the thread now, but he basically dared the admin team to ban him after they warned him about the attitude he was putting forth on that thread, that and the fact he had 2 other accounts that he was posting under pretending to be someone else.

[BoidKeeper]

Oh, one of those guys eh.
Oh well,
Trevor

[tdherper]

Also, he claimed to push his mom around and do whatever he wanted, so Matt decided he would try and "learn him some manners" ;)

[BoidKeeper]

His lucky Matt didn't learn him some manners in person.lol

[Slannesh]

I say again:

Blah, Ya try ta help some kid and they end up proving they're just a punk. Too bad really. Seemed like he was coming around for a bit.

Ah well, nothing ventured nothing gained right? There's always the next one :)

[Vengeance]

I gave up on him a while ago, he came back I think three times asking the same questions and not taking any of the advice anyone was giving him. Stoped reading his threads after that.

[oliver]

YA iam one of his best freinds and the thing about pushing his mom about is a lie him and his mom have a good bond and he will never do that ...JUST sayin some thing LOL dont want to be rude

OLIVER

[CHRISANDBOIDS14]

LMAO! Im guessing this is another one of his accounts???

C.

[tdherper]

Originally posted by CHRISANDBOIDS14
LMAO! Im guessing this is another one of his accounts???

C.

That's exactly what I thought when reading "OLIVER"'s posts :D

[wiseman001]

I think its all about the research... and knowing 100 % of what u'r doing....HEAT, temps enclosers, humid factor, foods.. etc.. list goes on.. there may be something that U were doing that U didn't realize

Don't rush into it... right away.. read all the reptile books u can..

remember all the INFO u find online is always true... REMEMBER that !!!

[Tyler99]

I actually think it is him. Oliver says hes had a ball python for 4-5 months, and wants another. How long againdid he say he had is? Hmmm...Vi banned in Jan Olivor joined in Jan??

Oliver, do you like when your snake bites you? Do you enjoy that?

[marisa]

Can we PLEASE stop talking about a member who is banned and get back to reptiles! Geez.

Marisa

[BoidKeeper]

Sorry Marisa.

I know let's talk about Marisa, she's not banned!
There's this girl and her name is Marisa and she's a mod on ssnakess.com. She's got a ball named Eight and she thinks she's so great! I hear she's the mod who's got the best....what rhymes with mod?
Anyone?
Cheers,
Trevor
PS
Please don't ban me.

[Tyler99]

GOD Rhymes!!!!!! LOL Sorry, for thinkin hes got a new account.

[marisa]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

That's funny. :D

Unfortunatly her ball named Eight is a brat who doesn't eat so great :(

lol

Marisa

[sapphire_moon]

maybe not a ban on younger reptile owners, but maybe a "test" of sorts to help breeders/pet stores tell who knows what they are really talkin about? But then again, most pet stores don't know what they are talkin about! lol

[Slannesh]

Some of the most responsible and knowledgeable herp owners I know are teenagers.

Age in my experience has very little to do with knowledge. You find 30 year old morons all the time :) Now i'm not saying that every 14 year old is prepared for the responsibility any more than every 30 year old is.

No chain petstore would reject a sale because someone failed a 'test'. They're there to sell a product and that's what they do.

[beanersmysav]

Yeah I agree, I've been herping since I was 14, and I did quite a bit of research unfortunatly alot of the stuff you find online varies quite a bit things one site said another contradicted same with message board to message board even some books, but you always learn new things along the way, but I'm not 18 and I'd be P.O'ed if I was just able to buy a herp because of an age limit, extremely P.O'ed especially since I know a 40 y/o that had a ball and a BRB in the same tank, and asked me if he could put a juvenile Savannah in with them. I reccomended giving them all their owns cage and to read ALOT! He kinda shurgged me off however since I'm just a teenager. His son informed me atleast that the Savs in his own enclosure atleast but he hasn't seperated the snakes.

[oliver]

OK bud why would you think that i was VI Reptiles? I DONT GET IT!!! VI Reptiles has had his bp for 10 months not for four months???? gez get it right lol..

and his name is Gorden not Oliver

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[malaysianbloods]

The main reason people think that you might be oliver is because you act like him on threads and just because someone says they have had there ball python for four months and not ten, whose to say that they did or didn't. Alot of people are not honest in this world. If you keep acting like you have been, even on your latest thread and being so childish then people will keep thinking that you might be VI reptiles. Lastly it is not hard to type oliver instead of Gorden.

[marisa]

You guys simply cannot stop. Every thread like this has to be closed, because left open, even when its OLD and totally old news entirely, you all keep it up. The issue is OVER.

THREAD CLOSED

Marisa